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00:02:28,109\n是跟您剛剛所說的文資審議有關係還是有其他的原因?都有關係在那個增加的部分故宮文物百選的話124件增加131件的話它有一些部分的話是因為當初在算的時候算它的物件沒有算它的配件就是說\n\n8\n00:02:28,809 --> 00:02:52,452\n好沒有這個正我們人理解啦就是配件加進去它就完整嘛所以是應該這個數量是131沒有錯那為什麼116降到85在法國怎麼講農展的部分的話原來是這樣原來的話是疫情農展是在去年農年農年去年去年展出但是因為疫情的關係所以延後了延後原來戒不農泥那個檔期本來是要用那個院長啊\n\n9\n00:02:53,493 --> 00:03:22,154\n你今天如果這樣備詢給60分鐘都不夠你只要告訴我原因是什麼就好跟文資審議有沒有關係跟文資審議沒有絕對的關係沒有絕對的關係就是有關係是嗎不是因為它原來是要所以為什麼會調降原來要做兩檔展出但是因為要分兩個檔次展出但是因為檔期改變的話現在只剩下一個檔期一個檔期的話我們就把東西116件再精挑85件\n\n10\n00:03:23,221 --> 00:03:46,496\n所以是因為精挑的關係要把最好的拿出去但是我們來看據本席的查詢我們是調整出展文物之後那現在這個數量確定下來但這個數量當中捷克展還有一般古物15件法國展還有重要古物2件一般古物18件這兩個展加起來總共還有35件的文物還沒有取得文資身份\n\n11\n00:03:47,136 --> 00:04:08,723\n所以呢其實還是會擔心啊你這個文資審議會不會有問題預計多久會完成有沒有辦法按照你現在的計畫如期如約的出展跟文明報告沒有問題因為剛講除了重要股兩件之外的話一般股五十八件跟那個捷克展的跟那個華國展的都排定到五月五號就台北市文獻委員會分兩個檔次來審\n\n12\n00:04:11,144 --> 00:04:24,136\n好第一個就是我們騎乘已經排了嘛那第二個就是要確定審議一定沒有問題喔一般國務基本上沒有問題它走行氣而已好因為這個是很重要喔我想去年的時候其實本席也已經啊先幫你到這個現場去看過了一次喔那也跟他們的博物館的館長喔\n\n13\n00:04:29,241 --> 00:04:49,125\n我們當時在捷克也有去做一些溝通包括展場的狀況那還有一個很重要的是其實我們在我們自己故宮啊這個百周年的時候我們還出展這麼重要的文物去捷克我們也希望透過這個展能夠把這個台灣帶出去也讓它看到我們故宮文物的美所以呢我們當時去的時候也有要求要求就是在這個捷克的博物館能夠在整個\n\n14\n00:04:51,886 --> 00:05:12,353\n在歐洲地方不管是透過網路啊實體廣告各方面的宣傳要到位能夠下去所以我看起來捷克方也非常的配合所以我們在準備工作上面恐怕也要更嚴謹一些那除了文資身份之外我們知道文物出國其實必須要依照文物運出入申請辦法在第四條當中有說了一個要辦理保險那上次院長有承諾說保險絕對沒有問題不過現在距離捷克跟法國的特展就在沒截了\n\n15\n00:05:21,756 --> 00:05:37,163\n那目前你的保險狀況是什麼樣保險的話基本上這個都我們運輸保險都已經花包了那這幾天的話就是那個國際貨幣公司的話他們進來在什麼時候會完成呢\n\n16\n00:05:38,622 --> 00:06:03,719\n什麼時候完成尤其捷克展那7月就要去了對不對那個院長我請教您一件事情那請問一下我們的這些要去捷克的這131件文物啊什麼時候會出發預計什麼時候到捷克什麼時候出發原則上會是9月但是因為航班的話9月份對航班的話我們大概過去的慣例都不會對外公佈\n\n17\n00:06:04,588 --> 00:06:25,053\n沒有關係但是這個重點在哪裡你要把你自己的準備工作做好包括我說的那個保險你們現在開始做了嘛但什麼時候可以把這個保險確定完成這是很重要的事情耶基本上來講保單已經在處理當中那保單當然他們現在還沒有送給我們因為現在還有一些\n\n18\n00:06:26,153 --> 00:06:49,936\n食物的葬糧的工作要重新再切入於這次好院長我想喔就是提醒您啊我知道這些東西其實你們都有在規劃中但是那個期程要去掌握喔那我剛剛特別有提到我們這一次對於捷克跟法國出展是一個很重要的文化交流喔也可以替故宮替台灣在歐洲打響我們的知名度很重要那你有沒有評估過這一次我們出訪這麼重要那我們會帶回來什麼樣的效益\n\n19\n00:06:51,237 --> 00:07:17,364\n呃基本上來講的話過去的慣例只要在國外展覽的話國際的禮貨都會增加所以一方面的話當然對國外去推展所謂的故宮的文物之美那另外的話也希望說回饋台灣的話有一些公共的效益好那我最後請教您您會不會也就是同樣邀請我們捷克國家博物館跟法國這個博物館的相關文物來台做交流策展\n\n20\n00:07:18,432 --> 00:07:34,225\n這個展覽一般的慣例的話就是我們都是以對等的方式來邀請彼此的展覽所以現在有邀請他們來嗎在合約裡面有訂定但是展覽的內容現在還在討論還在討論中我想這兩點非常重要因為交流交流嘛所以有來有往好不好\n\n21\n00:07:35,166 --> 00:07:57,178\n那另外我想我們看到故宮南院終於我們的專案就是參觀故宮南院專案終於開放給我們北部學子也就是說在上個會期本席有質詢關於我們百萬學子悠遊博物館的專案計畫那北院是對全國開放但是當時南院只有開放給新竹以南的學校來申請所以當時本席有跟院長來拜託來要求所以我們也開放了\n\n22\n00:08:01,340 --> 00:08:18,772\n所以這一點謝謝您謝謝委員的建言我們現在兩邊都開放對我覺得這很棒嘛你看喔就是本席跟您建議之後其實我看馬上就收到很棒的成效啦我們看到根據統計今年第一次到南院參訪的學校有64所共計4306名師生來參加其中馬上本席的選區桃園我們就有三所學校共計505名的學生來了那台北也有一所學校24名師生你看喔\n\n23\n00:08:30,140 --> 00:08:49,873\n第一波我們剛剛做了調整以後就有12%有12%是來自於我們北部的學校可見新竹以北的這些學校的師生那你開放南越的參觀以後它的其實需求量也是大的所以在這個部分我是想藉這個機會一方面謝謝您我們把它做了開放那第二個我相信未來還有更多\n\n24\n00:08:50,333 --> 00:09:11,830\n更多的北部學生也會來南院做參訪那我也希望故宮用這個經驗往後如果我們做很多的相關推廣的計畫能夠一開始我們就對全國來開放那不要再有自己對這個地域設限或是差別待遇你看這樣子是限制到了其實有些人想要去看故宮南院或者故宮北院或者你相關活動的美所以這一點\n\n25\n00:09:12,731 --> 00:09:31,589\n一方謝謝我們把它落實了我們開放北部的學校到南院參訪二方面未來我們希望我們所有的活動都能夠全國自開放這樣可以嗎可以謝謝委員的建議那對我們南院的整體的形象跟那個觀眾的提升都有很大的幫助好謝謝院長謝謝萬美林委員質詢請院長回座接下來我們請柯志恩委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t2170\t第一位萬美玲委員質詢好 謝謝教委 我們有請蕭院長請蕭院長備質詢 謝謝好 院長早\n18086\t33877\t院長我們今年呢其實故宮的文物出訪也有算兩件大事那第一個就是呢故宮跟捷克的國家博物館所合作的我看名稱也定出來了叫做故宮文物百選及其故事特展沒有錯嘛\n34918\t62108\t那這個預計是在9月12號要開始那另外有一個也是我們去年就知道的要跟法國的凱布朗利博物館來合作一個龍的特展那這個預計是在11月18號要開始展開那不論是捷克的9月或者是法國的這個11月大概時間都已經非常的這個迫近了你看9月份現在已經馬上就要進入到5月了那不曉得現在各項的準備工作\n62888\t89530\t這是什麼樣的一個狀況能不能請這個院長簡述一下根文報告各項的籌備工作的話都已經確定顯見然後包括那個現在的那個出國的文物的審查的話除了少部分之外的話大部分都已經是審定了目前比較進度慢的就是因為他要從國報中央股務然後審過之後才到一般股\n89750\t109231\t那一般職務的話排定5月5號就是那個臺北市文獻委員會我要上台這個等一下我來一一跟您再就講但是據我了解原本我們這個捷克的故宮文物百選及其故事特展那預計是有124件文物要出展那現在好像增加了7件來到131件\n111753\t124416\t那這個法國龍的特展原本要展出116件文物那現在是下降了調整到只有85件減少了大概足足有31件那這個下降的部分是為什麼\n125990\t148109\t是跟您剛剛所說的文資審議有關係還是有其他的原因?都有關係在那個增加的部分故宮文物百選的話124件增加131件的話它有一些部分的話是因為當初在算的時候算它的物件沒有算它的配件就是說\n148809\t172452\t好 沒有 這個正我們人理解啦就是配件加進去它就完整嘛所以是應該這個數量是131沒有錯那為什麼116降到85在法國怎麼講農展的部分的話原來是這樣原來的話是疫情農展是在去年農年 農年 去年 去年展出但是因為疫情的關係所以延後了延後原來戒不農泥那個檔期本來是要用那個院長啊\n173493\t202154\t你今天如果這樣備詢給60分鐘都不夠你只要告訴我原因是什麼就好跟文資審議有沒有關係跟文資審議沒有絕對的關係沒有絕對的關係就是有關係是嗎不是因為它原來是要所以為什麼會調降原來要做兩檔展出但是因為要分兩個檔次展出但是因為檔期改變的話現在只剩下一個檔期一個檔期的話我們就把東西116件再精挑85件\n203221\t226496\t所以是因為精挑的關係 要把最好的拿出去但是我們來看 據本席的查詢我們是調整出展文物之後 那現在這個數量確定下來但這個數量當中 捷克展還有一般古物15件法國展還有重要古物2件 一般古物18件這兩個展加起來 總共還有35件的文物還沒有取得文資身份\n227136\t248723\t所以呢其實還是會擔心啊你這個文資審議會不會有問題預計多久會完成有沒有辦法按照你現在的計畫如期如約的出展跟文明報告沒有問題因為剛講除了重要股兩件之外的話一般股五十八件跟那個捷克展的跟那個華國展的都排定到五月五號就台北市文獻委員會分兩個檔次來審\n251144\t264136\t好 第一個就是我們騎乘已經排了嘛那第二個就是要確定審議一定沒有問題喔一般國務基本上沒有問題 它走行氣而已好 因為這個是很重要喔我想去年的時候其實本席也已經啊先幫你到這個現場去看過了一次喔那也跟他們的博物館的館長喔\n269241\t289125\t我們當時在捷克也有去做一些溝通包括展場的狀況那還有一個很重要的是其實我們在我們自己故宮啊這個百周年的時候我們還出展這麼重要的文物去捷克我們也希望透過這個展能夠把這個台灣帶出去也讓它看到我們故宮文物的美所以呢我們當時去的時候也有要求要求就是在這個捷克的博物館能夠在整個\n291886\t312353\t在歐洲地方不管是透過網路啊實體廣告各方面的宣傳要到位能夠下去所以我看起來捷克方也非常的配合所以我們在準備工作上面恐怕也要更嚴謹一些那除了文資身份之外我們知道文物出國其實必須要依照文物運出入申請辦法在第四條當中有說了一個要辦理保險那上次院長有承諾說保險絕對沒有問題不過現在距離捷克跟法國的特展就在沒截了\n321756\t337163\t那目前你的保險狀況是什麼樣保險的話基本上這個都我們運輸保險都已經花包了那這幾天的話就是那個國際貨幣公司的話他們進來在什麼時候會完成呢\n338622\t363719\t什麼時候完成尤其捷克展那7月就要去了對不對那個院長我請教您一件事情那請問一下我們的這些要去捷克的這131件文物啊什麼時候會出發預計什麼時候到捷克什麼時候出發原則上會是9月但是因為航班的話9月份對航班的話我們大概過去的慣例都不會對外公佈\n364588\t385053\t沒有關係但是這個重點在哪裡你要把你自己的準備工作做好包括我說的那個保險你們現在開始做了嘛但什麼時候可以把這個保險確定完成這是很重要的事情耶基本上來講保單已經在處理當中那保單當然他們現在還沒有送給我們因為現在還有一些\n386153\t409936\t食物的葬糧的工作要重新再切入於這次好 院長我想喔就是提醒您啊我知道這些東西其實你們都有在規劃中但是那個期程要去掌握喔那我剛剛特別有提到我們這一次對於捷克跟法國出展是一個很重要的文化交流喔也可以替故宮替台灣在歐洲打響我們的知名度很重要那你有沒有評估過這一次我們出訪這麼重要那我們會帶回來什麼樣的效益\n411237\t437364\t呃 基本上來講的話過去的慣例 只要在國外展覽的話國際的禮貨都會增加所以一方面的話當然對國外去推展所謂的故宮的文物之美那另外的話也希望說回饋台灣的話有一些公共的效益好 那我最後請教您您會不會也就是同樣邀請我們捷克國家博物館跟法國這個博物館的相關文物來台做交流策展\n438432\t454225\t這個展覽一般的慣例的話就是我們都是以對等的方式來邀請彼此的展覽所以現在有邀請他們來嗎在合約裡面有訂定但是展覽的內容現在還在討論還在討論中我想這兩點非常重要因為交流交流嘛所以有來有往好不好\n455166\t477178\t那另外我想我們看到故宮南院終於我們的專案就是參觀故宮南院專案終於開放給我們北部學子也就是說在上個會期本席有質詢關於我們百萬學子悠遊博物館的專案計畫那北院是對全國開放但是當時南院只有開放給新竹以南的學校來申請所以當時本席有跟院長來拜託來要求所以我們也開放了\n481340\t498772\t所以這一點謝謝您謝謝委員的建言我們現在兩邊都開放對我覺得這很棒嘛你看喔就是本席跟您建議之後其實我看馬上就收到很棒的成效啦我們看到根據統計今年第一次到南院參訪的學校有64所共計4306名師生來參加其中馬上本席的選區桃園我們就有三所學校共計505名的學生來了那台北也有一所學校24名師生你看喔\n510140\t529873\t第一波我們剛剛做了調整以後就有12%有12%是來自於我們北部的學校可見新竹以北的這些學校的師生那你開放南越的參觀以後它的其實需求量也是大的所以在這個部分我是想藉這個機會一方面謝謝您我們把它做了開放那第二個我相信未來還有更多\n530333\t551830\t更多的北部學生也會來南院做參訪那我也希望故宮用這個經驗往後如果我們做很多的相關推廣的計畫能夠一開始我們就對全國來開放那不要再有自己對這個地域設限或是差別待遇你看這樣子是限制到了其實有些人想要去看故宮南院或者故宮北院或者你相關活動的美所以這一點\n552731\t571589\t一方謝謝我們把它落實了我們開放北部的學校到南院參訪二方面未來我們希望我們所有的活動都能夠全國自開放這樣可以嗎可以 謝謝委員的建議那對我們南院的整體的形象跟那個觀眾的提升都有很大的幫助好 謝謝院長謝謝萬美林委員質詢請院長回座接下來我們請柯志恩委員\n","txt":"第一位萬美玲委員質詢好 謝謝教委 我們有請蕭院長請蕭院長備質詢 謝謝好 院長早\n院長我們今年呢其實故宮的文物出訪也有算兩件大事那第一個就是呢故宮跟捷克的國家博物館所合作的我看名稱也定出來了叫做故宮文物百選及其故事特展沒有錯嘛\n那這個預計是在9月12號要開始那另外有一個也是我們去年就知道的要跟法國的凱布朗利博物館來合作一個龍的特展那這個預計是在11月18號要開始展開那不論是捷克的9月或者是法國的這個11月大概時間都已經非常的這個迫近了你看9月份現在已經馬上就要進入到5月了那不曉得現在各項的準備工作\n這是什麼樣的一個狀況能不能請這個院長簡述一下根文報告各項的籌備工作的話都已經確定顯見然後包括那個現在的那個出國的文物的審查的話除了少部分之外的話大部分都已經是審定了目前比較進度慢的就是因為他要從國報中央股務然後審過之後才到一般股\n那一般職務的話排定5月5號就是那個臺北市文獻委員會我要上台這個等一下我來一一跟您再就講但是據我了解原本我們這個捷克的故宮文物百選及其故事特展那預計是有124件文物要出展那現在好像增加了7件來到131件\n那這個法國龍的特展原本要展出116件文物那現在是下降了調整到只有85件減少了大概足足有31件那這個下降的部分是為什麼\n是跟您剛剛所說的文資審議有關係還是有其他的原因?都有關係在那個增加的部分故宮文物百選的話124件增加131件的話它有一些部分的話是因為當初在算的時候算它的物件沒有算它的配件就是說\n好 沒有 這個正我們人理解啦就是配件加進去它就完整嘛所以是應該這個數量是131沒有錯那為什麼116降到85在法國怎麼講農展的部分的話原來是這樣原來的話是疫情農展是在去年農年 農年 去年 去年展出但是因為疫情的關係所以延後了延後原來戒不農泥那個檔期本來是要用那個院長啊\n你今天如果這樣備詢給60分鐘都不夠你只要告訴我原因是什麼就好跟文資審議有沒有關係跟文資審議沒有絕對的關係沒有絕對的關係就是有關係是嗎不是因為它原來是要所以為什麼會調降原來要做兩檔展出但是因為要分兩個檔次展出但是因為檔期改變的話現在只剩下一個檔期一個檔期的話我們就把東西116件再精挑85件\n所以是因為精挑的關係 要把最好的拿出去但是我們來看 據本席的查詢我們是調整出展文物之後 那現在這個數量確定下來但這個數量當中 捷克展還有一般古物15件法國展還有重要古物2件 一般古物18件這兩個展加起來 總共還有35件的文物還沒有取得文資身份\n所以呢其實還是會擔心啊你這個文資審議會不會有問題預計多久會完成有沒有辦法按照你現在的計畫如期如約的出展跟文明報告沒有問題因為剛講除了重要股兩件之外的話一般股五十八件跟那個捷克展的跟那個華國展的都排定到五月五號就台北市文獻委員會分兩個檔次來審\n好 第一個就是我們騎乘已經排了嘛那第二個就是要確定審議一定沒有問題喔一般國務基本上沒有問題 它走行氣而已好 因為這個是很重要喔我想去年的時候其實本席也已經啊先幫你到這個現場去看過了一次喔那也跟他們的博物館的館長喔\n我們當時在捷克也有去做一些溝通包括展場的狀況那還有一個很重要的是其實我們在我們自己故宮啊這個百周年的時候我們還出展這麼重要的文物去捷克我們也希望透過這個展能夠把這個台灣帶出去也讓它看到我們故宮文物的美所以呢我們當時去的時候也有要求要求就是在這個捷克的博物館能夠在整個\n在歐洲地方不管是透過網路啊實體廣告各方面的宣傳要到位能夠下去所以我看起來捷克方也非常的配合所以我們在準備工作上面恐怕也要更嚴謹一些那除了文資身份之外我們知道文物出國其實必須要依照文物運出入申請辦法在第四條當中有說了一個要辦理保險那上次院長有承諾說保險絕對沒有問題不過現在距離捷克跟法國的特展就在沒截了\n那目前你的保險狀況是什麼樣保險的話基本上這個都我們運輸保險都已經花包了那這幾天的話就是那個國際貨幣公司的話他們進來在什麼時候會完成呢\n什麼時候完成尤其捷克展那7月就要去了對不對那個院長我請教您一件事情那請問一下我們的這些要去捷克的這131件文物啊什麼時候會出發預計什麼時候到捷克什麼時候出發原則上會是9月但是因為航班的話9月份對航班的話我們大概過去的慣例都不會對外公佈\n沒有關係但是這個重點在哪裡你要把你自己的準備工作做好包括我說的那個保險你們現在開始做了嘛但什麼時候可以把這個保險確定完成這是很重要的事情耶基本上來講保單已經在處理當中那保單當然他們現在還沒有送給我們因為現在還有一些\n食物的葬糧的工作要重新再切入於這次好 院長我想喔就是提醒您啊我知道這些東西其實你們都有在規劃中但是那個期程要去掌握喔那我剛剛特別有提到我們這一次對於捷克跟法國出展是一個很重要的文化交流喔也可以替故宮替台灣在歐洲打響我們的知名度很重要那你有沒有評估過這一次我們出訪這麼重要那我們會帶回來什麼樣的效益\n呃 基本上來講的話過去的慣例 只要在國外展覽的話國際的禮貨都會增加所以一方面的話當然對國外去推展所謂的故宮的文物之美那另外的話也希望說回饋台灣的話有一些公共的效益好 那我最後請教您您會不會也就是同樣邀請我們捷克國家博物館跟法國這個博物館的相關文物來台做交流策展\n這個展覽一般的慣例的話就是我們都是以對等的方式來邀請彼此的展覽所以現在有邀請他們來嗎在合約裡面有訂定但是展覽的內容現在還在討論還在討論中我想這兩點非常重要因為交流交流嘛所以有來有往好不好\n那另外我想我們看到故宮南院終於我們的專案就是參觀故宮南院專案終於開放給我們北部學子也就是說在上個會期本席有質詢關於我們百萬學子悠遊博物館的專案計畫那北院是對全國開放但是當時南院只有開放給新竹以南的學校來申請所以當時本席有跟院長來拜託來要求所以我們也開放了\n所以這一點謝謝您謝謝委員的建言我們現在兩邊都開放對我覺得這很棒嘛你看喔就是本席跟您建議之後其實我看馬上就收到很棒的成效啦我們看到根據統計今年第一次到南院參訪的學校有64所共計4306名師生來參加其中馬上本席的選區桃園我們就有三所學校共計505名的學生來了那台北也有一所學校24名師生你看喔\n第一波我們剛剛做了調整以後就有12%有12%是來自於我們北部的學校可見新竹以北的這些學校的師生那你開放南越的參觀以後它的其實需求量也是大的所以在這個部分我是想藉這個機會一方面謝謝您我們把它做了開放那第二個我相信未來還有更多\n更多的北部學生也會來南院做參訪那我也希望故宮用這個經驗往後如果我們做很多的相關推廣的計畫能夠一開始我們就對全國來開放那不要再有自己對這個地域設限或是差別待遇你看這樣子是限制到了其實有些人想要去看故宮南院或者故宮北院或者你相關活動的美所以這一點\n一方謝謝我們把它落實了我們開放北部的學校到南院參訪二方面未來我們希望我們所有的活動都能夠全國自開放這樣可以嗎可以 謝謝委員的建議那對我們南院的整體的形象跟那個觀眾的提升都有很大的幫助好 謝謝院長謝謝萬美林委員質詢請院長回座接下來我們請柯志恩委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:02.170\n第一位萬美玲委員質詢好謝謝教委我們有請蕭院長請蕭院長備質詢謝謝好院長早\n\n00:18.086 --> 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