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00:01:57,390\n可能在IG我們可能剛開始經營吧好好沒關係那再來我只是給你看一下這個也是最新的一個我認為其實也蠻重要就是紓困貸款開放申請他只有8個人按讚那您知道說紓困貸款這些很多也是年輕人那IG剛好是一個年輕人很會用的平台啊所以我也會希望說未來你們對於這方面年輕人會用的新媒體可以再做更多的\n\n5\n00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:10,946\n有效的推廣更多的有效的推廣不一定代表是需要花更多錢跟委員說明因為你的這個裡面寫說媒體宣傳大筆大筆花其實應該沒有大筆大筆花沒關係等一下我們來討論我有準備\n\n6\n00:02:14,850 --> 00:02:36,919\n我有準備資料我有準備資料我只是覺得你有這麼好的平台而且你個人其實也是在之前嘛也算是一位非常善於經營新媒體的所以我希望你可以把你的專長應用在發揮在勞動部上面我們能夠做更好的部分我們願意來做那當然我只是點出這些問題那希望以你的專長是可以改進的\n\n7\n00:02:37,999 --> 00:02:39,722\n那當然再來呢這也是很多人到現在還在說的啦這個YT頻道你們也成立蠻久的啊那之前其實我也看部長還不是部長的時候也很擅長經營YT不敢這樣說\n\n8\n00:02:52,797 --> 00:03:12,320\n因此我們來看這些這個演唱會已經是被主計部統計出來囉總共是花368萬辦演唱會加上給同位導演做剪片那剪了五六支片其中也有幕後花絮啊等等的這些好你看一年前至今也是只有幾百次嘛\n\n9\n00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:31,723\n所以我也希望您可以利用你的專長來改進這一個部分我不敢說這個社群媒體經營是我的專長我不敢這樣說那我們等一下看一下因為其實您個人的按讚都大勝於勞動部如果可以的話我們也希望可以應用到勞動部這上面來再來我們來看這一個\n\n10\n00:03:34,685 --> 00:03:51,869\n我有看了您11月上任的誓詞當時你有一段很感人的誓詞你說我要當全民的部長然後我要當勞工的靠山那我們先來看您的這個IG非常多追蹤者也希望可以引用到勞工部這邊這不算多第一個你已經不是民進黨立院黨團的議員了啦當初陳菊加入監察院的時候就暫時註銷了黨籍\n\n11\n00:04:02,671 --> 00:04:11,135\n因為您的誓詞裡面是全民的部長您覺得這個妥協嗎您還把DPP黨團放在第一個精華DPP黨團喔這個應該我們應該已經改版了這是我們昨天才看的這個\n\n12\n00:04:23,792 --> 00:04:52,088\n陳委員我這樣說第一個我是勞動部長洪森漢這句話是事實這個勞動部沒宣費被大砍也是事實等一下我們會來看勞動部沒宣費什麼叫做大砍然後我也有剪出我們之前來檢討預算這個部分好不好但是您用週末的時間秉持您的立場去做大宣講這個當然是OK可是因為這個IG是24小時在run的嘛那\n\n13\n00:04:53,329 --> 00:05:10,815\n我覺得您的誓詞裡面希望自己可以秉持行政中立而且我們有看其他其實很多部門的部長他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們可能週末的時候大選講可是他們在平常自己的社群是秉持行政中立的尤其是24小時的好那我們等一下來看為什麼你要說\n\n14\n00:05:13,476 --> 00:05:18,377\n勞動部沒宣費被大砍所以拜託追蹤一起挺勞工剛剛我給您看的那幾個貼文喔8個讚18個讚15個讚很多都發生在預算爭議之前喔所以以前你覺得沒有被砍的時候也是做得很差然後後來呢你覺得被砍還是做得很差所以請大家追蹤這樣子不對吧這樣說不過去吧\n\n15\n00:05:39,793 --> 00:05:58,286\n那個陳委員第一個我還是要說在某些特定的社群平台上面的這個宣傳成效有沒有值得更加強的地方我想我們願意回去檢討是這部分是這樣那您是不是應該要更實證中立一點的你剛才講的是IG的部分我們願意回去檢討這是第一點\n\n16\n00:05:59,767 --> 00:06:13,122\n第二點確實今年的煤酸煤圈費用沒關係我們來看我們來看一下今年的煤酸費你的公務預算是變62那我已經跟市長確認過了最後呢你們是減少6好\n\n17\n00:06:14,824 --> 00:06:26,988\n有沒有大砍你在這邊當立法委員的時候是111年喔許民村編的是49萬所以今年你62減6你還比許民村多然後你現在說我被大砍了請大那你覺得說你覺得許民村做得很差他錢不夠他後來他只有編49萬你那個時候也覺得OK你那個時候並沒有覺得許民村拿這49萬少\n\n18\n00:06:42,153 --> 00:07:04,073\n再來你明明就知道大部分的沒宣費就在救安基金裡面你今年救安基金編了兩億多喔你編了兩億多喔那你知道自己為什麼被剪裂其實是因為三個黨的委員當時都有諸多批評每個人都輪流發言那我先剪一小段讓你回憶一下你當時呢聽完三個黨\n\n19\n00:07:06,636 --> 00:07:09,519\n藍綠白所有委員的意見你說對你會深刻檢討你講出為什麼媒體宣傳救安基金這一塊做得不好你要如何檢討最後你是謝謝大家簡列我們是併案簡列一千萬元\n\n20\n00:07:21,092 --> 00:07:43,534\n来动部近年来多次以开口庆约来办理这些煤轩的采购啊等等行销案所以这次你们大幅的增加4000多万那人民当然觉得不需要严格的监督并且是限制型的招标只有取三家厂商标从2022年到2024年看都是民事年代还有三立得标金额介于3500万至4200万之间这个未来您的这个分配我们都会严格再审视好吗\n\n21\n00:07:45,175 --> 00:08:06,371\n這個我可以簡單說明因為大家很關心開口契約的問題其實有大部裡面以後在12月的時候我們就對開口契約的適用做出了檢討所以接下來比方說一些活動或者是影片我們盡量的因為過去其實出問題的部分就是把這個活動跟影片用在開口契約裡面所以其實當時我就把這些相關的標案做了檢討未來其實這些活動或者是影片我們盡量的不用開口契約的方式來去進行該用採購法供\n\n22\n00:08:07,612 --> 00:08:24,868\n招標我們就用採購法招標而不用公開開口契約所以我們對於公開契約的適用範圍做出了一些相關的限制那這部分其實已經正在做了好所以這個結論是服務費用媒體政策及業務宣導費減略一千萬對是對好我去併案吧併案併第十一第二十一案好那我們就交賬通過\n\n23\n00:08:25,569 --> 00:08:49,330\n好當時召委是宣布並藍綠白委員的案最後並檢列一千萬你也講到說你有很多做得不足的地方你要檢討你要檢討結果你現在是在這個IG上哭窮說我被大砍了請大家一定要追蹤你被大砍你被大砍以前IG也成效非常的差這是第一點第二點\n\n24\n00:08:50,812 --> 00:08:57,436\n兩億多你經過自己的檢討你謝謝大家好最後病難所有委員的病難減裂一千萬你說謝謝你也會再檢討然後事情又沒辦法做以前許民村拿49萬的時候也沒哭窮你也覺得他做得好棒棒這還是你省的呢\n\n25\n00:09:05,526 --> 00:09:24,594\n跟委員說明到現在為止去年我12月來到部裡的時候我要再說一次我們確實對於開口契約的適用就做出了檢討甚至我們就把當時的標案給停下來了到目前為止勞動部是沒有開口契約的標案的\n\n26\n00:09:25,154 --> 00:09:40,219\n所以剛剛在講的這些相關的社群媒體的製作坦白說都是這段時間我們公務同仁非常非常辛苦做的東西好我跟你說你應該要把什麼東西列上來我們再來看一下\n\n27\n00:09:41,619 --> 00:09:45,062\n這是您以前當立法委員的時候所立的規矩來我們必須要把辦理政策宣導相關廣告執行情形每一個月更新給人民看放到網站上去\n\n28\n00:10:01,294 --> 00:10:29,366\n好你是11月上任啊2024年12月以前喔每一筆清清楚楚的都在上面但是2025年11月以後就沒有囉我給你看一下113年12月以前我還可以我們全民都還可以看得到你用救安基金的錢而且救安基金的錢早就可以用啦連你們勞發署都說早就已經開始用啦那為什麼你們還沒有把它放上網站呢根文說明\n\n29\n00:10:30,603 --> 00:10:38,012\n剛剛的那個是我們在去年12月31號以後我們就沒有開口契約的廣宣計畫了\n\n30\n00:10:40,763 --> 00:11:00,001\n我現在在講你沒有更新你的媒體政策及業務宣導因為去年12月以前是有開口契約的廣泉計劃但是12月之後就沒有了我跟你說你2024年12月以前不管是基金啊勞保局啊本部啊都通通會寫上去\n\n31\n00:11:03,569 --> 00:11:25,775\n我們在12月之後就沒有開口契約的沒先計畫了我希望你們還是可以定期去更新這是我給你看一下衛福部的這是衛生福利部的這是衛生福利部他今年1到3月他好好的告訴人民說他的政策及業務宣導執行情況再來這個是再來還有環境部的\n\n32\n00:11:32,118 --> 00:11:34,695\n環境部的也把它全部列上去列了非常的多\n\n33\n00:11:38,086 --> 00:12:03,541\n所以你沒有因為沒有開口契約所以你沒有我們是真的很認真的檢討開口契約的適用所以我該檢討的部分我們就檢討所以現在就是沒有的所以我只是想說剛剛其實去講很多的成效其實真的這些目前的社群的經營都是我們的公務同仁自己去分工是非常非常辛苦在進行這件事情的我有看你們的素材有看你們的素材我覺得非常用心\n\n34\n00:12:04,241 --> 00:12:23,589\n所以我開宗明義就說希望您第一希望您利用您的專長也可以發揮到勞動部上嘛這是您的專長之一啊第二我希望您行政中立嘛是對啊很合理嘛是當然因為許明春拿的錢比你少很多啊好第三我也希望你們可以讓他公開透明你可以讓他公開透明嘛委員這個經費的比較不是這樣比的\n\n35\n00:12:31,154 --> 00:12:52,505\n媒宣經費的比較不是我真的說媒宣經費比較不是這樣比過去真的部裡面是真的是很依賴比方說這個開口契約的部分你的救安基金等一下你的救安基金編了兩億多然後在我們全部的人都有共識之下簡列一千萬這個是事實好那簡列什麼原因什麼原因\n\n36\n00:12:54,346 --> 00:13:18,515\n我們也都在這邊公開討論已經講完了其實我們也都講完了那個內容在布裡面的這個媒體啊那我們也只希望你好好你的我們等一下就把這張再還給你好嗎我們現在只是希望把事情做好那希望公開透明因為大家覺得說哇你沒有跟許明春把錢你沒有跟許明春把錢要回來要回來還要用公務\n\n37\n00:13:19,415 --> 00:13:34,613\n公務預算去支應最後你寫了一個申付報告說這是為了提升勞工的福祉所辦的演唱會還有剪的影片大家人民都已經覺得看不太下去了因為你的申付理由你的申付理由跟你這邊對我們做一個檢討\n\n38\n00:13:37,236 --> 00:13:44,321\n根本搭不起來最近很多勞工團體來拜訪我就播了這幾個影片給他們看啊我說勞動部部長說現在這個活動是為了提升勞工的福祉請問你們看完這個演唱會看完這個影片你們有覺得自己福祉被提升了嗎你到底是有做問卷調查你是哪邊看出他們福祉有被提升沒有勞工你這個話這個深附理由如果在勞動部的網站或是IG貼出來說我當初許民村辦的這個演唱會是有提升勞工福祉\n\n39\n00:14:07,758 --> 00:14:14,858\n我看下面有幾個人會回啊可以讓我時間你剛才說的讓我先做說明嗎第一個\n\n40\n00:14:17,062 --> 00:14:44,532\n正是因為包括審計也包括立法院希望我們救安基金的錢不應該在這個擴大使用的範圍就是變成是我們是希望在這個發展署下面相關的計劃來去做使用所以我們才覺得我今天不我接下來就是不希望再用救安基金的錢來做部裡面可能跟救安沒有相關事情的沒宣的使用\n\n41\n00:14:45,732 --> 00:14:52,685\n所以目前部裡面相關的這些煤圈的計畫是沒有開口契約的\n\n42\n00:14:53,840 --> 00:15:21,660\n所以這不是說拿著說你就安基因這邊很多錢如果大家同樣說就安基因很多錢我這邊就可以用的話那這就回到過去了這就回到過去大家批評的狀況了主席這是我的時間然後很多人關心這題所以我要再把它問完那等一下我們拿我們的資料再給你最後呢這個是您非常在乎的也是您常常質詢的甚至之前質詢的時候說應該要修法我也不用引用啦因為\n\n43\n00:15:22,521 --> 00:15:46,315\n其實我本來希望劉建國早晚有在台上但是他今年就有提案指出說你的這個事辦計畫沒有提供雇主誘因也沒有強制要求雇主執行導致利益良善的政策流於形式建議簡列及凍結各100萬預算但勞動部改善問題後書面報告得以動之林淑芬委員也在這邊講到說當初勞動部不願意聽取民意一意孤行讓彈性運價成為一個註定失敗的事辦計畫所以幾十萬家中小企業\n\n44\n00:15:51,798 --> 00:16:16,038\n只有89個單位參加申請人數還只有182人這個不知道您會提出報告給劉建國召委嗎會啊其實我想關於彈性留庭的做法上面我們其實現在一直在朝向往更彈性的做法上面去做研擬但確實我們現在也是在考慮包括比方說財務上面的限制\n\n45\n00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:27,804\n那因為這裡面涉及到比方說舊髮基金的運用財務性的限制也包括我們要怎麼去降低可能雇主會因為彈性運流停所以排班上面的挑戰所以在這幾個考慮點之之內現在我們還是持續在研擬方案在做討論中\n\n46\n00:16:33,506 --> 00:17:01,867\n這邊是之前也蠻多人提供給您的就是不是公部門先來做表率因為公部門開始做做的成效好就可以說服私部門甚至給私部門誘因來參與這樣子的事辦計畫但是這個問題我們已經問了好多次了到至今呢業管都說一直在做意見上的收集還有統整我只是想單純的問一下請問您現在找了公部門的哪些機關已經有做了一些意見上的統整我們只是問一下進度而已\n\n47\n00:17:03,694 --> 00:17:28,185\n呃我們現在其實的方向不一定是以公部門私部門這樣去分啦其實甚至是如果要去進行的話其實不一定是分公司所以我們等一下可以跟你邀到一個書面資料你已經找誰做了溝通跟統整呃我們現在我們我們其實現在跟包括不跟產業界當然在做一些討論然後跟勞工團體跟相關人就在做一些討論是那等一下再請你提供會議記錄謝謝啊謝謝部長謝謝主席好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4913\t11518\t謝謝主席 謝謝主席 謝謝委員 謝謝官員我也想邀請勞動部部長請黃部長這邊好好 部長好今天我們想就勞動部對於新媒體推動業務這些成效來做一個總體檢那我們來看一下這是您勞動部的這些圖都製作得非常精美所以想必也是用了蠻多費用的\n33413\t61099\t但最左邊有個工會簽訂團體協定有9個人按讚再來我們看跨領域就業津貼全攻略15個人按讚還有這些卡通畫得非常漂亮婦女在就業漫畫圖有18個人按讚以及婦女在就業一樣是18個人按讚那之後因為您還蠻擅長新媒體這個部分請問你有沒有要就這些新媒體的成效推廣做一些改進呢\n62863\t88064\t因為我看你這邊列的應該是IG的部分但是我們其實可能一個圖文的宣傳不會只放在一個單一個社群平臺所以同時我們也會放在比方說放在Facebook放在Thread都會放但是我目前就我知道的是其實在其他平臺的效果其實是蠻不錯的相關的點閱或者按讚數其實應該比\n89130\t117390\t可能在IG我們可能剛開始經營吧好好沒關係那再來我只是給你看一下這個也是最新的一個我認為其實也蠻重要就是紓困貸款開放申請他只有8個人按讚那您知道說紓困貸款這些很多也是年輕人那IG剛好是一個年輕人很會用的平台啊所以我也會希望說未來你們對於這方面年輕人會用的新媒體可以再做更多的\n117930\t130946\t有效的推廣更多的有效的推廣不一定代表是需要花更多錢跟委員說明因為你的這個裡面寫說媒體宣傳大筆大筆花其實應該沒有大筆大筆花沒關係等一下我們來討論我有準備\n134850\t156919\t我有準備資料我有準備資料我只是覺得你有這麼好的平台而且你個人其實也是在之前嘛也算是一位非常善於經營新媒體的所以我希望你可以把你的專長應用在發揮在勞動部上面我們能夠做更好的部分我們願意來做那當然我只是點出這些問題那希望以你的專長是可以改進的\n157999\t159722\t那當然再來呢這也是很多人到現在還在說的啦這個YT頻道你們也成立蠻久的啊那之前其實我也看部長還不是部長的時候也很擅長經營YT不敢這樣說\n172797\t192320\t因此我們來看這些這個演唱會已經是被主計部統計出來囉總共是花368萬辦演唱會加上給同位導演做剪片那剪了五六支片其中也有幕後花絮啊等等的這些好 你看一年前至今也是只有幾百次嘛\n193530\t211723\t所以我也希望您可以利用你的專長來改進這一個部分我不敢說這個社群媒體經營是我的專長我不敢這樣說那我們等一下看一下因為其實您個人的按讚都大勝於勞動部如果可以的話我們也希望可以應用到勞動部這上面來再來我們來看這一個\n214685\t231869\t我有看了您11月上任的誓詞當時你有一段很感人的誓詞你說我要當全民的部長然後我要當勞工的靠山那我們先來看您的這個IG非常多追蹤者也希望可以引用到勞工部這邊這不算多第一個你已經不是民進黨立院黨團的議員了啦當初陳菊加入監察院的時候就暫時註銷了黨籍\n242671\t251135\t因為您的誓詞裡面是全民的部長 您覺得這個妥協嗎 您還把DPP黨團放在第一個精華DPP黨團喔 這個應該 我們應該已經改版了這是我們昨天才看的這個\n263792\t292088\t陳委員我這樣說第一個我是勞動部長洪森漢這句話是事實這個勞動部沒宣費被大砍也是事實等一下我們會來看勞動部沒宣費什麼叫做大砍然後我也有剪出我們之前來檢討預算這個部分好不好但是您用週末的時間秉持您的立場去做大宣講這個當然是OK可是因為這個IG是24小時在run的嘛那\n293329\t310815\t我覺得您的誓詞裡面希望自己可以秉持行政中立而且我們有看其他其實很多部門的部長他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們可能週末的時候大選講可是他們在平常自己的社群是秉持行政中立的尤其是24小時的好那我們等一下來看為什麼你要說\n313476\t318377\t勞動部沒宣費被大砍所以拜託追蹤一起挺勞工剛剛我給您看的那幾個貼文喔8個讚18個讚15個讚很多都發生在預算爭議之前喔所以以前你覺得沒有被砍的時候也是做得很差然後後來呢你覺得被砍還是做得很差所以請大家追蹤這樣子不對吧這樣說不過去吧\n339793\t358286\t那個陳委員第一個我還是要說在某些特定的社群平台上面的這個宣傳成效有沒有值得更加強的地方我想我們願意回去檢討是這部分是這樣那您是不是應該要更實證中立一點的你剛才講的是IG的部分我們願意回去檢討這是第一點\n359767\t373122\t第二點確實今年的煤酸煤圈費用 沒關係我們來看我們來看一下今年的煤酸費你的公務預算是變62那我已經跟市長確認過了最後呢你們是減少6好\n374824\t386988\t有沒有大砍 你在這邊當立法委員的時候是111年喔許民村編的是49萬所以今年你62減6 你還比許民村多然後你現在說 我被大砍了請大那你覺得說 你覺得許民村做得很差 他錢不夠他後來 他只有編49萬 你那個時候也覺得OK你那個時候並沒有覺得許民村拿這49萬少\n402153\t424073\t再來你明明就知道大部分的沒宣費就在救安基金裡面你今年救安基金編了兩億多喔你編了兩億多喔那你知道自己為什麼被剪裂其實是因為三個黨的委員當時都有諸多批評每個人都輪流發言那我先剪一小段讓你回憶一下你當時呢聽完三個黨\n426636\t429519\t藍綠白所有委員的意見你說對你會深刻檢討你講出為什麼媒體宣傳救安基金這一塊做得不好你要如何檢討最後你是謝謝大家簡列我們是併案簡列一千萬元\n441092\t463534\t来动部近年来多次以开口庆约来办理这些煤轩的采购啊等等行销案所以这次你们大幅的增加4000多万那人民当然觉得不需要严格的监督并且是限制型的招标只有取三家厂商标从2022年到2024年看都是民事年代还有三立得标金额介于3500万至4200万之间这个未来您的这个分配我们都会严格再审视好吗\n465175\t486371\t這個我可以簡單說明因為大家很關心開口契約的問題其實有大部裡面以後在12月的時候我們就對開口契約的適用做出了檢討所以接下來比方說一些活動或者是影片我們盡量的因為過去其實出問題的部分就是把這個活動跟影片用在開口契約裡面所以其實當時我就把這些相關的標案做了檢討未來其實這些活動或者是影片我們盡量的不用開口契約的方式來去進行該用採購法供\n487612\t504868\t招標我們就用採購法招標而不用公開開口契約所以我們對於公開契約的適用範圍做出了一些相關的限制那這部分其實已經正在做了好所以這個結論是服務費用媒體政策及業務宣導費減略一千萬對是對好我去併案吧併案併第十一第二十一案好那我們就交賬通過\n505569\t529330\t好 當時召委是宣布並藍綠白委員的案最後並檢列一千萬你也講到說你有很多做得不足的地方你要檢討你要檢討結果你現在是在這個IG上哭窮說我被大砍了請大家一定要追蹤你被大砍你被大砍以前IG也成效非常的差這是第一點第二點\n530812\t537436\t兩億多你經過自己的檢討你謝謝大家好最後病難所有委員的病難減裂一千萬你說謝謝你也會再檢討然後事情又沒辦法做以前許民村拿49萬的時候也沒哭窮你也覺得他做得好棒棒這還是你省的呢\n545526\t564594\t跟委員說明到現在為止去年我12月來到部裡的時候我要再說一次我們確實對於開口契約的適用就做出了檢討甚至我們就把當時的標案給停下來了到目前為止勞動部是沒有開口契約的標案的\n565154\t580219\t所以剛剛在講的這些相關的社群媒體的製作坦白說都是這段時間我們公務同仁非常非常辛苦做的東西好我跟你說你應該要把什麼東西列上來我們再來看一下\n581619\t585062\t這是您以前當立法委員的時候所立的規矩來我們必須要把辦理政策宣導相關廣告執行情形每一個月更新給人民看放到網站上去\n601294\t629366\t好 你是11月上任啊2024年12月以前喔每一筆清清楚楚的都在上面但是2025年11月以後就沒有囉我給你看一下113年12月以前我還可以我們全民都還可以看得到你用救安基金的錢而且救安基金的錢早就可以用啦連你們勞發署都說早就已經開始用啦那為什麼你們還沒有把它放上網站呢根文說明\n630603\t638012\t剛剛的那個是我們在去年12月31號以後我們就沒有開口契約的廣宣計畫了\n640763\t660001\t我現在在講你沒有更新你的媒體政策及業務宣導因為去年12月以前是有開口契約的廣泉計劃但是12月之後就沒有了我跟你說你2024年12月以前不管是基金啊 勞保局啊 本部啊都通通會寫上去\n663569\t685775\t我們在12月之後就沒有開口契約的 沒先計畫了我希望你們還是可以定期去更新這是我給你看一下衛福部的這是衛生福利部的這是衛生福利部他今年1到3月他好好的告訴人民說他的政策及業務宣導執行情況再來這個是再來還有環境部的\n692118\t694695\t環境部的也把它全部列上去列了非常的多\n698086\t723541\t所以你沒有因為沒有開口契約所以你沒有我們是真的很認真的檢討開口契約的適用所以我該檢討的部分我們就檢討所以現在就是沒有的所以我只是想說剛剛其實去講很多的成效其實真的這些目前的社群的經營都是我們的公務同仁自己去分工是非常非常辛苦在進行這件事情的我有看你們的素材有看你們的素材我覺得非常用心\n724241\t743589\t所以我開宗明義就說希望您第一希望您利用您的專長也可以發揮到勞動部上嘛這是您的專長之一啊第二我希望您行政中立嘛是對啊很合理嘛是當然因為許明春拿的錢比你少很多啊好第三我也希望你們可以讓他公開透明你可以讓他公開透明嘛委員這個經費的比較不是這樣比的\n751154\t772505\t媒宣經費的比較不是我真的說媒宣經費比較不是這樣比過去真的部裡面是真的是很依賴比方說這個開口契約的部分你的救安基金等一下你的救安基金編了兩億多然後在我們全部的人都有共識之下簡列一千萬這個是事實好那簡列什麼原因什麼原因\n774346\t798515\t我們也都在這邊公開討論 已經講完了其實我們也都講完了 那個內容在布裡面的這個媒體啊 那我們也只希望你好好你的 我們等一下就把這張再還給你好嗎我們現在只是希望把事情做好 那希望公開透明因為大家覺得說 哇 你沒有跟許明春把錢你沒有跟許明春把錢要回來 要回來還要用公務\n799415\t814613\t公務預算去支應最後你寫了一個申付報告說這是為了提升勞工的福祉所辦的演唱會還有剪的影片大家人民都已經覺得看不太下去了因為你的申付理由你的申付理由跟你這邊對我們做一個檢討\n817236\t824321\t根本搭不起來最近很多勞工團體來拜訪我就播了這幾個影片給他們看啊我說勞動部部長說現在這個活動是為了提升勞工的福祉請問你們看完這個演唱會看完這個影片你們有覺得自己福祉被提升了嗎你到底是有做問卷調查你是哪邊看出他們福祉有被提升沒有勞工你這個話這個深附理由如果在勞動部的網站或是IG貼出來說我當初許民村辦的這個演唱會是有提升勞工福祉\n847758\t854858\t我看下面有幾個人會回啊可以讓我時間你剛才說的讓我先做說明嗎第一個\n857062\t884532\t正是因為包括審計也包括立法院希望我們救安基金的錢不應該在這個擴大使用的範圍就是變成是我們是希望在這個發展署下面相關的計劃來去做使用所以我們才覺得我今天不我接下來就是不希望再用救安基金的錢來做部裡面可能跟救安沒有相關事情的沒宣的使用\n885732\t892685\t所以目前部裡面相關的這些煤圈的計畫是沒有開口契約的\n893840\t921660\t所以這不是說拿著說你就安基因這邊很多錢如果大家同樣說就安基因很多錢我這邊就可以用的話那這就回到過去了這就回到過去大家批評的狀況了主席這是我的時間然後很多人關心這題所以我要再把它問完那等一下我們拿我們的資料再給你最後呢這個是您非常在乎的也是您常常質詢的甚至之前質詢的時候說應該要修法我也不用引用啦因為\n922521\t946315\t其實我本來希望劉建國早晚有在台上但是他今年就有提案指出說你的這個事辦計畫沒有提供雇主誘因也沒有強制要求雇主執行導致利益良善的政策流於形式建議簡列及凍結各100萬預算但勞動部改善問題後書面報告得以動之林淑芬委員也在這邊講到說當初勞動部不願意聽取民意一意孤行讓彈性運價成為一個註定失敗的事辦計畫所以幾十萬家中小企業\n951798\t976038\t只有89個單位參加 申請人數還只有182人這個不知道您會提出報告給劉建國召委嗎會啊 其實我想關於彈性留庭的做法上面我們其實現在一直在朝向往更彈性的做法上面去做研擬但確實我們現在也是在考慮包括比方說財務上面的限制\n977159\t987804\t那因為這裡面涉及到比方說舊髮基金的運用財務性的限制也包括我們要怎麼去降低可能雇主會因為彈性運流停所以排班上面的挑戰所以在這幾個考慮點之之內現在我們還是持續在研擬方案在做討論中\n993506\t1021867\t這邊是之前也蠻多人提供給您的就是不是公部門先來做表率因為公部門開始做做的成效好就可以說服私部門甚至給私部門誘因來參與這樣子的事辦計畫但是這個問題我們已經問了好多次了到至今呢 業管都說一直在做意見上的收集還有統整我只是想單純的問一下請問您現在找了公部門的哪些機關已經有做了一些意見上的統整我們只是問一下進度而已\n1023694\t1048185\t呃我們現在其實的方向不一定是以公部門私部門這樣去分啦其實甚至是如果要去進行的話其實不一定是分公司所以我們等一下可以跟你邀到一個書面資料你已經找誰做了溝通跟統整呃我們現在我們我們其實現在跟包括不跟產業界當然在做一些討論然後跟勞工團體跟相關人就在做一些討論是那等一下再請你提供會議記錄謝謝啊謝謝部長謝謝主席好\n","txt":"謝謝主席 謝謝主席 謝謝委員 謝謝官員我也想邀請勞動部部長請黃部長這邊好好 部長好今天我們想就勞動部對於新媒體推動業務這些成效來做一個總體檢那我們來看一下這是您勞動部的這些圖都製作得非常精美所以想必也是用了蠻多費用的\n但最左邊有個工會簽訂團體協定有9個人按讚再來我們看跨領域就業津貼全攻略15個人按讚還有這些卡通畫得非常漂亮婦女在就業漫畫圖有18個人按讚以及婦女在就業一樣是18個人按讚那之後因為您還蠻擅長新媒體這個部分請問你有沒有要就這些新媒體的成效推廣做一些改進呢\n因為我看你這邊列的應該是IG的部分但是我們其實可能一個圖文的宣傳不會只放在一個單一個社群平臺所以同時我們也會放在比方說放在Facebook放在Thread都會放但是我目前就我知道的是其實在其他平臺的效果其實是蠻不錯的相關的點閱或者按讚數其實應該比\n可能在IG我們可能剛開始經營吧好好沒關係那再來我只是給你看一下這個也是最新的一個我認為其實也蠻重要就是紓困貸款開放申請他只有8個人按讚那您知道說紓困貸款這些很多也是年輕人那IG剛好是一個年輕人很會用的平台啊所以我也會希望說未來你們對於這方面年輕人會用的新媒體可以再做更多的\n有效的推廣更多的有效的推廣不一定代表是需要花更多錢跟委員說明因為你的這個裡面寫說媒體宣傳大筆大筆花其實應該沒有大筆大筆花沒關係等一下我們來討論我有準備\n我有準備資料我有準備資料我只是覺得你有這麼好的平台而且你個人其實也是在之前嘛也算是一位非常善於經營新媒體的所以我希望你可以把你的專長應用在發揮在勞動部上面我們能夠做更好的部分我們願意來做那當然我只是點出這些問題那希望以你的專長是可以改進的\n那當然再來呢這也是很多人到現在還在說的啦這個YT頻道你們也成立蠻久的啊那之前其實我也看部長還不是部長的時候也很擅長經營YT不敢這樣說\n因此我們來看這些這個演唱會已經是被主計部統計出來囉總共是花368萬辦演唱會加上給同位導演做剪片那剪了五六支片其中也有幕後花絮啊等等的這些好 你看一年前至今也是只有幾百次嘛\n所以我也希望您可以利用你的專長來改進這一個部分我不敢說這個社群媒體經營是我的專長我不敢這樣說那我們等一下看一下因為其實您個人的按讚都大勝於勞動部如果可以的話我們也希望可以應用到勞動部這上面來再來我們來看這一個\n我有看了您11月上任的誓詞當時你有一段很感人的誓詞你說我要當全民的部長然後我要當勞工的靠山那我們先來看您的這個IG非常多追蹤者也希望可以引用到勞工部這邊這不算多第一個你已經不是民進黨立院黨團的議員了啦當初陳菊加入監察院的時候就暫時註銷了黨籍\n因為您的誓詞裡面是全民的部長 您覺得這個妥協嗎 您還把DPP黨團放在第一個精華DPP黨團喔 這個應該 我們應該已經改版了這是我們昨天才看的這個\n陳委員我這樣說第一個我是勞動部長洪森漢這句話是事實這個勞動部沒宣費被大砍也是事實等一下我們會來看勞動部沒宣費什麼叫做大砍然後我也有剪出我們之前來檢討預算這個部分好不好但是您用週末的時間秉持您的立場去做大宣講這個當然是OK可是因為這個IG是24小時在run的嘛那\n我覺得您的誓詞裡面希望自己可以秉持行政中立而且我們有看其他其實很多部門的部長他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們可能週末的時候大選講可是他們在平常自己的社群是秉持行政中立的尤其是24小時的好那我們等一下來看為什麼你要說\n勞動部沒宣費被大砍所以拜託追蹤一起挺勞工剛剛我給您看的那幾個貼文喔8個讚18個讚15個讚很多都發生在預算爭議之前喔所以以前你覺得沒有被砍的時候也是做得很差然後後來呢你覺得被砍還是做得很差所以請大家追蹤這樣子不對吧這樣說不過去吧\n那個陳委員第一個我還是要說在某些特定的社群平台上面的這個宣傳成效有沒有值得更加強的地方我想我們願意回去檢討是這部分是這樣那您是不是應該要更實證中立一點的你剛才講的是IG的部分我們願意回去檢討這是第一點\n第二點確實今年的煤酸煤圈費用 沒關係我們來看我們來看一下今年的煤酸費你的公務預算是變62那我已經跟市長確認過了最後呢你們是減少6好\n有沒有大砍 你在這邊當立法委員的時候是111年喔許民村編的是49萬所以今年你62減6 你還比許民村多然後你現在說 我被大砍了請大那你覺得說 你覺得許民村做得很差 他錢不夠他後來 他只有編49萬 你那個時候也覺得OK你那個時候並沒有覺得許民村拿這49萬少\n再來你明明就知道大部分的沒宣費就在救安基金裡面你今年救安基金編了兩億多喔你編了兩億多喔那你知道自己為什麼被剪裂其實是因為三個黨的委員當時都有諸多批評每個人都輪流發言那我先剪一小段讓你回憶一下你當時呢聽完三個黨\n藍綠白所有委員的意見你說對你會深刻檢討你講出為什麼媒體宣傳救安基金這一塊做得不好你要如何檢討最後你是謝謝大家簡列我們是併案簡列一千萬元\n来动部近年来多次以开口庆约来办理这些煤轩的采购啊等等行销案所以这次你们大幅的增加4000多万那人民当然觉得不需要严格的监督并且是限制型的招标只有取三家厂商标从2022年到2024年看都是民事年代还有三立得标金额介于3500万至4200万之间这个未来您的这个分配我们都会严格再审视好吗\n這個我可以簡單說明因為大家很關心開口契約的問題其實有大部裡面以後在12月的時候我們就對開口契約的適用做出了檢討所以接下來比方說一些活動或者是影片我們盡量的因為過去其實出問題的部分就是把這個活動跟影片用在開口契約裡面所以其實當時我就把這些相關的標案做了檢討未來其實這些活動或者是影片我們盡量的不用開口契約的方式來去進行該用採購法供\n招標我們就用採購法招標而不用公開開口契約所以我們對於公開契約的適用範圍做出了一些相關的限制那這部分其實已經正在做了好所以這個結論是服務費用媒體政策及業務宣導費減略一千萬對是對好我去併案吧併案併第十一第二十一案好那我們就交賬通過\n好 當時召委是宣布並藍綠白委員的案最後並檢列一千萬你也講到說你有很多做得不足的地方你要檢討你要檢討結果你現在是在這個IG上哭窮說我被大砍了請大家一定要追蹤你被大砍你被大砍以前IG也成效非常的差這是第一點第二點\n兩億多你經過自己的檢討你謝謝大家好最後病難所有委員的病難減裂一千萬你說謝謝你也會再檢討然後事情又沒辦法做以前許民村拿49萬的時候也沒哭窮你也覺得他做得好棒棒這還是你省的呢\n跟委員說明到現在為止去年我12月來到部裡的時候我要再說一次我們確實對於開口契約的適用就做出了檢討甚至我們就把當時的標案給停下來了到目前為止勞動部是沒有開口契約的標案的\n所以剛剛在講的這些相關的社群媒體的製作坦白說都是這段時間我們公務同仁非常非常辛苦做的東西好我跟你說你應該要把什麼東西列上來我們再來看一下\n這是您以前當立法委員的時候所立的規矩來我們必須要把辦理政策宣導相關廣告執行情形每一個月更新給人民看放到網站上去\n好 你是11月上任啊2024年12月以前喔每一筆清清楚楚的都在上面但是2025年11月以後就沒有囉我給你看一下113年12月以前我還可以我們全民都還可以看得到你用救安基金的錢而且救安基金的錢早就可以用啦連你們勞發署都說早就已經開始用啦那為什麼你們還沒有把它放上網站呢根文說明\n剛剛的那個是我們在去年12月31號以後我們就沒有開口契約的廣宣計畫了\n我現在在講你沒有更新你的媒體政策及業務宣導因為去年12月以前是有開口契約的廣泉計劃但是12月之後就沒有了我跟你說你2024年12月以前不管是基金啊 勞保局啊 本部啊都通通會寫上去\n我們在12月之後就沒有開口契約的 沒先計畫了我希望你們還是可以定期去更新這是我給你看一下衛福部的這是衛生福利部的這是衛生福利部他今年1到3月他好好的告訴人民說他的政策及業務宣導執行情況再來這個是再來還有環境部的\n環境部的也把它全部列上去列了非常的多\n所以你沒有因為沒有開口契約所以你沒有我們是真的很認真的檢討開口契約的適用所以我該檢討的部分我們就檢討所以現在就是沒有的所以我只是想說剛剛其實去講很多的成效其實真的這些目前的社群的經營都是我們的公務同仁自己去分工是非常非常辛苦在進行這件事情的我有看你們的素材有看你們的素材我覺得非常用心\n所以我開宗明義就說希望您第一希望您利用您的專長也可以發揮到勞動部上嘛這是您的專長之一啊第二我希望您行政中立嘛是對啊很合理嘛是當然因為許明春拿的錢比你少很多啊好第三我也希望你們可以讓他公開透明你可以讓他公開透明嘛委員這個經費的比較不是這樣比的\n媒宣經費的比較不是我真的說媒宣經費比較不是這樣比過去真的部裡面是真的是很依賴比方說這個開口契約的部分你的救安基金等一下你的救安基金編了兩億多然後在我們全部的人都有共識之下簡列一千萬這個是事實好那簡列什麼原因什麼原因\n我們也都在這邊公開討論 已經講完了其實我們也都講完了 那個內容在布裡面的這個媒體啊 那我們也只希望你好好你的 我們等一下就把這張再還給你好嗎我們現在只是希望把事情做好 那希望公開透明因為大家覺得說 哇 你沒有跟許明春把錢你沒有跟許明春把錢要回來 要回來還要用公務\n公務預算去支應最後你寫了一個申付報告說這是為了提升勞工的福祉所辦的演唱會還有剪的影片大家人民都已經覺得看不太下去了因為你的申付理由你的申付理由跟你這邊對我們做一個檢討\n根本搭不起來最近很多勞工團體來拜訪我就播了這幾個影片給他們看啊我說勞動部部長說現在這個活動是為了提升勞工的福祉請問你們看完這個演唱會看完這個影片你們有覺得自己福祉被提升了嗎你到底是有做問卷調查你是哪邊看出他們福祉有被提升沒有勞工你這個話這個深附理由如果在勞動部的網站或是IG貼出來說我當初許民村辦的這個演唱會是有提升勞工福祉\n我看下面有幾個人會回啊可以讓我時間你剛才說的讓我先做說明嗎第一個\n正是因為包括審計也包括立法院希望我們救安基金的錢不應該在這個擴大使用的範圍就是變成是我們是希望在這個發展署下面相關的計劃來去做使用所以我們才覺得我今天不我接下來就是不希望再用救安基金的錢來做部裡面可能跟救安沒有相關事情的沒宣的使用\n所以目前部裡面相關的這些煤圈的計畫是沒有開口契約的\n所以這不是說拿著說你就安基因這邊很多錢如果大家同樣說就安基因很多錢我這邊就可以用的話那這就回到過去了這就回到過去大家批評的狀況了主席這是我的時間然後很多人關心這題所以我要再把它問完那等一下我們拿我們的資料再給你最後呢這個是您非常在乎的也是您常常質詢的甚至之前質詢的時候說應該要修法我也不用引用啦因為\n其實我本來希望劉建國早晚有在台上但是他今年就有提案指出說你的這個事辦計畫沒有提供雇主誘因也沒有強制要求雇主執行導致利益良善的政策流於形式建議簡列及凍結各100萬預算但勞動部改善問題後書面報告得以動之林淑芬委員也在這邊講到說當初勞動部不願意聽取民意一意孤行讓彈性運價成為一個註定失敗的事辦計畫所以幾十萬家中小企業\n只有89個單位參加 申請人數還只有182人這個不知道您會提出報告給劉建國召委嗎會啊 其實我想關於彈性留庭的做法上面我們其實現在一直在朝向往更彈性的做法上面去做研擬但確實我們現在也是在考慮包括比方說財務上面的限制\n那因為這裡面涉及到比方說舊髮基金的運用財務性的限制也包括我們要怎麼去降低可能雇主會因為彈性運流停所以排班上面的挑戰所以在這幾個考慮點之之內現在我們還是持續在研擬方案在做討論中\n這邊是之前也蠻多人提供給您的就是不是公部門先來做表率因為公部門開始做做的成效好就可以說服私部門甚至給私部門誘因來參與這樣子的事辦計畫但是這個問題我們已經問了好多次了到至今呢 業管都說一直在做意見上的收集還有統整我只是想單純的問一下請問您現在找了公部門的哪些機關已經有做了一些意見上的統整我們只是問一下進度而已\n呃我們現在其實的方向不一定是以公部門私部門這樣去分啦其實甚至是如果要去進行的話其實不一定是分公司所以我們等一下可以跟你邀到一個書面資料你已經找誰做了溝通跟統整呃我們現在我們我們其實現在跟包括不跟產業界當然在做一些討論然後跟勞工團體跟相關人就在做一些討論是那等一下再請你提供會議記錄謝謝啊謝謝部長謝謝主席好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.913 --> 00:11.518\n謝謝主席謝謝主席謝謝委員謝謝官員我也想邀請勞動部部長請黃部長這邊好好部長好今天我們想就勞動部對於新媒體推動業務這些成效來做一個總體檢那我們來看一下這是您勞動部的這些圖都製作得非常精美所以想必也是用了蠻多費用的\n\n00:33.413 --> 01:01.099\n但最左邊有個工會簽訂團體協定有9個人按讚再來我們看跨領域就業津貼全攻略15個人按讚還有這些卡通畫得非常漂亮婦女在就業漫畫圖有18個人按讚以及婦女在就業一樣是18個人按讚那之後因為您還蠻擅長新媒體這個部分請問你有沒有要就這些新媒體的成效推廣做一些改進呢\n\n01:02.863 --> 01:28.064\n因為我看你這邊列的應該是IG的部分但是我們其實可能一個圖文的宣傳不會只放在一個單一個社群平臺所以同時我們也會放在比方說放在Facebook放在Thread都會放但是我目前就我知道的是其實在其他平臺的效果其實是蠻不錯的相關的點閱或者按讚數其實應該比\n\n01:29.130 --> 01:57.390\n可能在IG我們可能剛開始經營吧好好沒關係那再來我只是給你看一下這個也是最新的一個我認為其實也蠻重要就是紓困貸款開放申請他只有8個人按讚那您知道說紓困貸款這些很多也是年輕人那IG剛好是一個年輕人很會用的平台啊所以我也會希望說未來你們對於這方面年輕人會用的新媒體可以再做更多的\n\n01:57.930 --> 02:10.946\n有效的推廣更多的有效的推廣不一定代表是需要花更多錢跟委員說明因為你的這個裡面寫說媒體宣傳大筆大筆花其實應該沒有大筆大筆花沒關係等一下我們來討論我有準備\n\n02:14.850 --> 02:36.919\n我有準備資料我有準備資料我只是覺得你有這麼好的平台而且你個人其實也是在之前嘛也算是一位非常善於經營新媒體的所以我希望你可以把你的專長應用在發揮在勞動部上面我們能夠做更好的部分我們願意來做那當然我只是點出這些問題那希望以你的專長是可以改進的\n\n02:37.999 --> 02:39.722\n那當然再來呢這也是很多人到現在還在說的啦這個YT頻道你們也成立蠻久的啊那之前其實我也看部長還不是部長的時候也很擅長經營YT不敢這樣說\n\n02:52.797 --> 03:12.320\n因此我們來看這些這個演唱會已經是被主計部統計出來囉總共是花368萬辦演唱會加上給同位導演做剪片那剪了五六支片其中也有幕後花絮啊等等的這些好你看一年前至今也是只有幾百次嘛\n\n03:13.530 --> 03:31.723\n所以我也希望您可以利用你的專長來改進這一個部分我不敢說這個社群媒體經營是我的專長我不敢這樣說那我們等一下看一下因為其實您個人的按讚都大勝於勞動部如果可以的話我們也希望可以應用到勞動部這上面來再來我們來看這一個\n\n03:34.685 --> 03:51.869\n我有看了您11月上任的誓詞當時你有一段很感人的誓詞你說我要當全民的部長然後我要當勞工的靠山那我們先來看您的這個IG非常多追蹤者也希望可以引用到勞工部這邊這不算多第一個你已經不是民進黨立院黨團的議員了啦當初陳菊加入監察院的時候就暫時註銷了黨籍\n\n04:02.671 --> 04:11.135\n因為您的誓詞裡面是全民的部長您覺得這個妥協嗎您還把DPP黨團放在第一個精華DPP黨團喔這個應該我們應該已經改版了這是我們昨天才看的這個\n\n04:23.792 --> 04:52.088\n陳委員我這樣說第一個我是勞動部長洪森漢這句話是事實這個勞動部沒宣費被大砍也是事實等一下我們會來看勞動部沒宣費什麼叫做大砍然後我也有剪出我們之前來檢討預算這個部分好不好但是您用週末的時間秉持您的立場去做大宣講這個當然是OK可是因為這個IG是24小時在run的嘛那\n\n04:53.329 --> 05:10.815\n我覺得您的誓詞裡面希望自己可以秉持行政中立而且我們有看其他其實很多部門的部長他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們並沒有這樣子做啊他們可能週末的時候大選講可是他們在平常自己的社群是秉持行政中立的尤其是24小時的好那我們等一下來看為什麼你要說\n\n05:13.476 --> 05:18.377\n勞動部沒宣費被大砍所以拜託追蹤一起挺勞工剛剛我給您看的那幾個貼文喔8個讚18個讚15個讚很多都發生在預算爭議之前喔所以以前你覺得沒有被砍的時候也是做得很差然後後來呢你覺得被砍還是做得很差所以請大家追蹤這樣子不對吧這樣說不過去吧\n\n05:39.793 --> 05:58.286\n那個陳委員第一個我還是要說在某些特定的社群平台上面的這個宣傳成效有沒有值得更加強的地方我想我們願意回去檢討是這部分是這樣那您是不是應該要更實證中立一點的你剛才講的是IG的部分我們願意回去檢討這是第一點\n\n05:59.767 --> 06:13.122\n第二點確實今年的煤酸煤圈費用沒關係我們來看我們來看一下今年的煤酸費你的公務預算是變62那我已經跟市長確認過了最後呢你們是減少6好\n\n06:14.824 --> 06:26.988\n有沒有大砍你在這邊當立法委員的時候是111年喔許民村編的是49萬所以今年你62減6你還比許民村多然後你現在說我被大砍了請大那你覺得說你覺得許民村做得很差他錢不夠他後來他只有編49萬你那個時候也覺得OK你那個時候並沒有覺得許民村拿這49萬少\n\n06:42.153 --> 07:04.073\n再來你明明就知道大部分的沒宣費就在救安基金裡面你今年救安基金編了兩億多喔你編了兩億多喔那你知道自己為什麼被剪裂其實是因為三個黨的委員當時都有諸多批評每個人都輪流發言那我先剪一小段讓你回憶一下你當時呢聽完三個黨\n\n07:06.636 --> 07:09.519\n藍綠白所有委員的意見你說對你會深刻檢討你講出為什麼媒體宣傳救安基金這一塊做得不好你要如何檢討最後你是謝謝大家簡列我們是併案簡列一千萬元\n\n07:21.092 --> 07:43.534\n来动部近年来多次以开口庆约来办理这些煤轩的采购啊等等行销案所以这次你们大幅的增加4000多万那人民当然觉得不需要严格的监督并且是限制型的招标只有取三家厂商标从2022年到2024年看都是民事年代还有三立得标金额介于3500万至4200万之间这个未来您的这个分配我们都会严格再审视好吗\n\n07:45.175 --> 08:06.371\n這個我可以簡單說明因為大家很關心開口契約的問題其實有大部裡面以後在12月的時候我們就對開口契約的適用做出了檢討所以接下來比方說一些活動或者是影片我們盡量的因為過去其實出問題的部分就是把這個活動跟影片用在開口契約裡面所以其實當時我就把這些相關的標案做了檢討未來其實這些活動或者是影片我們盡量的不用開口契約的方式來去進行該用採購法供\n\n08:07.612 --> 08:24.868\n招標我們就用採購法招標而不用公開開口契約所以我們對於公開契約的適用範圍做出了一些相關的限制那這部分其實已經正在做了好所以這個結論是服務費用媒體政策及業務宣導費減略一千萬對是對好我去併案吧併案併第十一第二十一案好那我們就交賬通過\n\n08:25.569 --> 08:49.330\n好當時召委是宣布並藍綠白委員的案最後並檢列一千萬你也講到說你有很多做得不足的地方你要檢討你要檢討結果你現在是在這個IG上哭窮說我被大砍了請大家一定要追蹤你被大砍你被大砍以前IG也成效非常的差這是第一點第二點\n\n08:50.812 --> 08:57.436\n兩億多你經過自己的檢討你謝謝大家好最後病難所有委員的病難減裂一千萬你說謝謝你也會再檢討然後事情又沒辦法做以前許民村拿49萬的時候也沒哭窮你也覺得他做得好棒棒這還是你省的呢\n\n09:05.526 --> 09:24.594\n跟委員說明到現在為止去年我12月來到部裡的時候我要再說一次我們確實對於開口契約的適用就做出了檢討甚至我們就把當時的標案給停下來了到目前為止勞動部是沒有開口契約的標案的\n\n09:25.154 --> 09:40.219\n所以剛剛在講的這些相關的社群媒體的製作坦白說都是這段時間我們公務同仁非常非常辛苦做的東西好我跟你說你應該要把什麼東西列上來我們再來看一下\n\n09:41.619 --> 09:45.062\n這是您以前當立法委員的時候所立的規矩來我們必須要把辦理政策宣導相關廣告執行情形每一個月更新給人民看放到網站上去\n\n10:01.294 --> 10:29.366\n好你是11月上任啊2024年12月以前喔每一筆清清楚楚的都在上面但是2025年11月以後就沒有囉我給你看一下113年12月以前我還可以我們全民都還可以看得到你用救安基金的錢而且救安基金的錢早就可以用啦連你們勞發署都說早就已經開始用啦那為什麼你們還沒有把它放上網站呢根文說明\n\n10:30.603 --> 10:38.012\n剛剛的那個是我們在去年12月31號以後我們就沒有開口契約的廣宣計畫了\n\n10:40.763 --> 11:00.001\n我現在在講你沒有更新你的媒體政策及業務宣導因為去年12月以前是有開口契約的廣泉計劃但是12月之後就沒有了我跟你說你2024年12月以前不管是基金啊勞保局啊本部啊都通通會寫上去\n\n11:03.569 --> 11:25.775\n我們在12月之後就沒有開口契約的沒先計畫了我希望你們還是可以定期去更新這是我給你看一下衛福部的這是衛生福利部的這是衛生福利部他今年1到3月他好好的告訴人民說他的政策及業務宣導執行情況再來這個是再來還有環境部的\n\n11:32.118 --> 11:34.695\n環境部的也把它全部列上去列了非常的多\n\n11:38.086 --> 12:03.541\n所以你沒有因為沒有開口契約所以你沒有我們是真的很認真的檢討開口契約的適用所以我該檢討的部分我們就檢討所以現在就是沒有的所以我只是想說剛剛其實去講很多的成效其實真的這些目前的社群的經營都是我們的公務同仁自己去分工是非常非常辛苦在進行這件事情的我有看你們的素材有看你們的素材我覺得非常用心\n\n12:04.241 --> 12:23.589\n所以我開宗明義就說希望您第一希望您利用您的專長也可以發揮到勞動部上嘛這是您的專長之一啊第二我希望您行政中立嘛是對啊很合理嘛是當然因為許明春拿的錢比你少很多啊好第三我也希望你們可以讓他公開透明你可以讓他公開透明嘛委員這個經費的比較不是這樣比的\n\n12:31.154 --> 12:52.505\n媒宣經費的比較不是我真的說媒宣經費比較不是這樣比過去真的部裡面是真的是很依賴比方說這個開口契約的部分你的救安基金等一下你的救安基金編了兩億多然後在我們全部的人都有共識之下簡列一千萬這個是事實好那簡列什麼原因什麼原因\n\n12:54.346 --> 13:18.515\n我們也都在這邊公開討論已經講完了其實我們也都講完了那個內容在布裡面的這個媒體啊那我們也只希望你好好你的我們等一下就把這張再還給你好嗎我們現在只是希望把事情做好那希望公開透明因為大家覺得說哇你沒有跟許明春把錢你沒有跟許明春把錢要回來要回來還要用公務\n\n13:19.415 --> 13:34.613\n公務預算去支應最後你寫了一個申付報告說這是為了提升勞工的福祉所辦的演唱會還有剪的影片大家人民都已經覺得看不太下去了因為你的申付理由你的申付理由跟你這邊對我們做一個檢討\n\n13:37.236 --> 13:44.321\n根本搭不起來最近很多勞工團體來拜訪我就播了這幾個影片給他們看啊我說勞動部部長說現在這個活動是為了提升勞工的福祉請問你們看完這個演唱會看完這個影片你們有覺得自己福祉被提升了嗎你到底是有做問卷調查你是哪邊看出他們福祉有被提升沒有勞工你這個話這個深附理由如果在勞動部的網站或是IG貼出來說我當初許民村辦的這個演唱會是有提升勞工福祉\n\n14:07.758 --> 14:14.858\n我看下面有幾個人會回啊可以讓我時間你剛才說的讓我先做說明嗎第一個\n\n14:17.062 --> 14:44.532\n正是因為包括審計也包括立法院希望我們救安基金的錢不應該在這個擴大使用的範圍就是變成是我們是希望在這個發展署下面相關的計劃來去做使用所以我們才覺得我今天不我接下來就是不希望再用救安基金的錢來做部裡面可能跟救安沒有相關事情的沒宣的使用\n\n14:45.732 --> 14:52.685\n所以目前部裡面相關的這些煤圈的計畫是沒有開口契約的\n\n14:53.840 --> 15:21.660\n所以這不是說拿著說你就安基因這邊很多錢如果大家同樣說就安基因很多錢我這邊就可以用的話那這就回到過去了這就回到過去大家批評的狀況了主席這是我的時間然後很多人關心這題所以我要再把它問完那等一下我們拿我們的資料再給你最後呢這個是您非常在乎的也是您常常質詢的甚至之前質詢的時候說應該要修法我也不用引用啦因為\n\n15:22.521 --> 15:46.315\n其實我本來希望劉建國早晚有在台上但是他今年就有提案指出說你的這個事辦計畫沒有提供雇主誘因也沒有強制要求雇主執行導致利益良善的政策流於形式建議簡列及凍結各100萬預算但勞動部改善問題後書面報告得以動之林淑芬委員也在這邊講到說當初勞動部不願意聽取民意一意孤行讓彈性運價成為一個註定失敗的事辦計畫所以幾十萬家中小企業\n\n15:51.798 --> 16:16.038\n只有89個單位參加申請人數還只有182人這個不知道您會提出報告給劉建國召委嗎會啊其實我想關於彈性留庭的做法上面我們其實現在一直在朝向往更彈性的做法上面去做研擬但確實我們現在也是在考慮包括比方說財務上面的限制\n\n16:17.159 --> 16:27.804\n那因為這裡面涉及到比方說舊髮基金的運用財務性的限制也包括我們要怎麼去降低可能雇主會因為彈性運流停所以排班上面的挑戰所以在這幾個考慮點之之內現在我們還是持續在研擬方案在做討論中\n\n16:33.506 --> 17:01.867\n這邊是之前也蠻多人提供給您的就是不是公部門先來做表率因為公部門開始做做的成效好就可以說服私部門甚至給私部門誘因來參與這樣子的事辦計畫但是這個問題我們已經問了好多次了到至今呢業管都說一直在做意見上的收集還有統整我只是想單純的問一下請問您現在找了公部門的哪些機關已經有做了一些意見上的統整我們只是問一下進度而已\n\n17:03.694 --> 17:28.185\n呃我們現在其實的方向不一定是以公部門私部門這樣去分啦其實甚至是如果要去進行的話其實不一定是分公司所以我們等一下可以跟你邀到一個書面資料你已經找誰做了溝通跟統整呃我們現在我們我們其實現在跟包括不跟產業界當然在做一些討論然後跟勞工團體跟相關人就在做一些討論是那等一下再請你提供會議記錄謝謝啊謝謝部長謝謝主席好\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.913,"end":11.518,"text":"謝謝主席 謝謝主席 謝謝委員 謝謝官員我也想邀請勞動部部長請黃部長這邊好好 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你那個時候也覺得OK你那個時候並沒有覺得許民村拿這49萬少"},{"start":402.153,"end":424.073,"text":"再來你明明就知道大部分的沒宣費就在救安基金裡面你今年救安基金編了兩億多喔你編了兩億多喔那你知道自己為什麼被剪裂其實是因為三個黨的委員當時都有諸多批評每個人都輪流發言那我先剪一小段讓你回憶一下你當時呢聽完三個黨"},{"start":426.636,"end":429.519,"text":"藍綠白所有委員的意見你說對你會深刻檢討你講出為什麼媒體宣傳救安基金這一塊做得不好你要如何檢討最後你是謝謝大家簡列我們是併案簡列一千萬元"},{"start":441.092,"end":463.534,"text":"来动部近年来多次以开口庆约来办理这些煤轩的采购啊等等行销案所以这次你们大幅的增加4000多万那人民当然觉得不需要严格的监督并且是限制型的招标只有取三家厂商标从2022年到2024年看都是民事年代还有三立得标金额介于3500万至4200万之间这个未来您的这个分配我们都会严格再审视好吗"},{"start":465.175,"end":486.371,"text":"這個我可以簡單說明因為大家很關心開口契約的問題其實有大部裡面以後在12月的時候我們就對開口契約的適用做出了檢討所以接下來比方說一些活動或者是影片我們盡量的因為過去其實出問題的部分就是把這個活動跟影片用在開口契約裡面所以其實當時我就把這些相關的標案做了檢討未來其實這些活動或者是影片我們盡量的不用開口契約的方式來去進行該用採購法供"},{"start":487.612,"end":504.868,"text":"招標我們就用採購法招標而不用公開開口契約所以我們對於公開契約的適用範圍做出了一些相關的限制那這部分其實已經正在做了好所以這個結論是服務費用媒體政策及業務宣導費減略一千萬對是對好我去併案吧併案併第十一第二十一案好那我們就交賬通過"},{"start":505.569,"end":529.33,"text":"好 當時召委是宣布並藍綠白委員的案最後並檢列一千萬你也講到說你有很多做得不足的地方你要檢討你要檢討結果你現在是在這個IG上哭窮說我被大砍了請大家一定要追蹤你被大砍你被大砍以前IG也成效非常的差這是第一點第二點"},{"start":530.812,"end":537.436,"text":"兩億多你經過自己的檢討你謝謝大家好最後病難所有委員的病難減裂一千萬你說謝謝你也會再檢討然後事情又沒辦法做以前許民村拿49萬的時候也沒哭窮你也覺得他做得好棒棒這還是你省的呢"},{"start":545.526,"end":564.594,"text":"跟委員說明到現在為止去年我12月來到部裡的時候我要再說一次我們確實對於開口契約的適用就做出了檢討甚至我們就把當時的標案給停下來了到目前為止勞動部是沒有開口契約的標案的"},{"start":565.154,"end":580.219,"text":"所以剛剛在講的這些相關的社群媒體的製作坦白說都是這段時間我們公務同仁非常非常辛苦做的東西好我跟你說你應該要把什麼東西列上來我們再來看一下"},{"start":581.619,"end":585.062,"text":"這是您以前當立法委員的時候所立的規矩來我們必須要把辦理政策宣導相關廣告執行情形每一個月更新給人民看放到網站上去"},{"start":601.294,"end":629.366,"text":"好 你是11月上任啊2024年12月以前喔每一筆清清楚楚的都在上面但是2025年11月以後就沒有囉我給你看一下113年12月以前我還可以我們全民都還可以看得到你用救安基金的錢而且救安基金的錢早就可以用啦連你們勞發署都說早就已經開始用啦那為什麼你們還沒有把它放上網站呢根文說明"},{"start":630.603,"end":638.012,"text":"剛剛的那個是我們在去年12月31號以後我們就沒有開口契約的廣宣計畫了"},{"start":640.763,"end":660.001,"text":"我現在在講你沒有更新你的媒體政策及業務宣導因為去年12月以前是有開口契約的廣泉計劃但是12月之後就沒有了我跟你說你2024年12月以前不管是基金啊 勞保局啊 本部啊都通通會寫上去"},{"start":663.569,"end":685.775,"text":"我們在12月之後就沒有開口契約的 沒先計畫了我希望你們還是可以定期去更新這是我給你看一下衛福部的這是衛生福利部的這是衛生福利部他今年1到3月他好好的告訴人民說他的政策及業務宣導執行情況再來這個是再來還有環境部的"},{"start":692.118,"end":694.695,"text":"環境部的也把它全部列上去列了非常的多"},{"start":698.086,"end":723.541,"text":"所以你沒有因為沒有開口契約所以你沒有我們是真的很認真的檢討開口契約的適用所以我該檢討的部分我們就檢討所以現在就是沒有的所以我只是想說剛剛其實去講很多的成效其實真的這些目前的社群的經營都是我們的公務同仁自己去分工是非常非常辛苦在進行這件事情的我有看你們的素材有看你們的素材我覺得非常用心"},{"start":724.241,"end":743.589,"text":"所以我開宗明義就說希望您第一希望您利用您的專長也可以發揮到勞動部上嘛這是您的專長之一啊第二我希望您行政中立嘛是對啊很合理嘛是當然因為許明春拿的錢比你少很多啊好第三我也希望你們可以讓他公開透明你可以讓他公開透明嘛委員這個經費的比較不是這樣比的"},{"start":751.154,"end":772.505,"text":"媒宣經費的比較不是我真的說媒宣經費比較不是這樣比過去真的部裡面是真的是很依賴比方說這個開口契約的部分你的救安基金等一下你的救安基金編了兩億多然後在我們全部的人都有共識之下簡列一千萬這個是事實好那簡列什麼原因什麼原因"},{"start":774.346,"end":798.515,"text":"我們也都在這邊公開討論 已經講完了其實我們也都講完了 那個內容在布裡面的這個媒體啊 那我們也只希望你好好你的 我們等一下就把這張再還給你好嗎我們現在只是希望把事情做好 那希望公開透明因為大家覺得說 哇 你沒有跟許明春把錢你沒有跟許明春把錢要回來 要回來還要用公務"},{"start":799.415,"end":814.613,"text":"公務預算去支應最後你寫了一個申付報告說這是為了提升勞工的福祉所辦的演唱會還有剪的影片大家人民都已經覺得看不太下去了因為你的申付理由你的申付理由跟你這邊對我們做一個檢討"},{"start":817.236,"end":824.321,"text":"根本搭不起來最近很多勞工團體來拜訪我就播了這幾個影片給他們看啊我說勞動部部長說現在這個活動是為了提升勞工的福祉請問你們看完這個演唱會看完這個影片你們有覺得自己福祉被提升了嗎你到底是有做問卷調查你是哪邊看出他們福祉有被提升沒有勞工你這個話這個深附理由如果在勞動部的網站或是IG貼出來說我當初許民村辦的這個演唱會是有提升勞工福祉"},{"start":847.758,"end":854.858,"text":"我看下面有幾個人會回啊可以讓我時間你剛才說的讓我先做說明嗎第一個"},{"start":857.062,"end":884.532,"text":"正是因為包括審計也包括立法院希望我們救安基金的錢不應該在這個擴大使用的範圍就是變成是我們是希望在這個發展署下面相關的計劃來去做使用所以我們才覺得我今天不我接下來就是不希望再用救安基金的錢來做部裡面可能跟救安沒有相關事情的沒宣的使用"},{"start":885.732,"end":892.685,"text":"所以目前部裡面相關的這些煤圈的計畫是沒有開口契約的"},{"start":893.84,"end":921.66,"text":"所以這不是說拿著說你就安基因這邊很多錢如果大家同樣說就安基因很多錢我這邊就可以用的話那這就回到過去了這就回到過去大家批評的狀況了主席這是我的時間然後很多人關心這題所以我要再把它問完那等一下我們拿我們的資料再給你最後呢這個是您非常在乎的也是您常常質詢的甚至之前質詢的時候說應該要修法我也不用引用啦因為"},{"start":922.521,"end":946.315,"text":"其實我本來希望劉建國早晚有在台上但是他今年就有提案指出說你的這個事辦計畫沒有提供雇主誘因也沒有強制要求雇主執行導致利益良善的政策流於形式建議簡列及凍結各100萬預算但勞動部改善問題後書面報告得以動之林淑芬委員也在這邊講到說當初勞動部不願意聽取民意一意孤行讓彈性運價成為一個註定失敗的事辦計畫所以幾十萬家中小企業"},{"start":951.798,"end":976.038,"text":"只有89個單位參加 申請人數還只有182人這個不知道您會提出報告給劉建國召委嗎會啊 其實我想關於彈性留庭的做法上面我們其實現在一直在朝向往更彈性的做法上面去做研擬但確實我們現在也是在考慮包括比方說財務上面的限制"},{"start":977.159,"end":987.804,"text":"那因為這裡面涉及到比方說舊髮基金的運用財務性的限制也包括我們要怎麼去降低可能雇主會因為彈性運流停所以排班上面的挑戰所以在這幾個考慮點之之內現在我們還是持續在研擬方案在做討論中"},{"start":993.506,"end":1021.867,"text":"這邊是之前也蠻多人提供給您的就是不是公部門先來做表率因為公部門開始做做的成效好就可以說服私部門甚至給私部門誘因來參與這樣子的事辦計畫但是這個問題我們已經問了好多次了到至今呢 業管都說一直在做意見上的收集還有統整我只是想單純的問一下請問您現在找了公部門的哪些機關已經有做了一些意見上的統整我們只是問一下進度而已"},{"start":1023.694,"end":1048.185,"text":"呃我們現在其實的方向不一定是以公部門私部門這樣去分啦其實甚至是如果要去進行的話其實不一定是分公司所以我們等一下可以跟你邀到一個書面資料你已經找誰做了溝通跟統整呃我們現在我們我們其實現在跟包括不跟產業界當然在做一些討論然後跟勞工團體跟相關人就在做一些討論是那等一下再請你提供會議記錄謝謝啊謝謝部長謝謝主席好"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":242,"blocks":[["陳委員菁徽：（9時35分）謝謝主席、謝謝委員、謝謝官員，我也想邀請勞動部部長。"],["主席：請洪部長。"],["洪部長申翰：陳委員好。"],["陳委員菁徽：部長好。今天我想就勞動部推動新媒體業務的成效來做總體檢，我們來看一下，這些是勞動部的宣導影片，圖都製作得非常精美，想必也用了蠻多費用，但最左邊工會簽訂團體協定的影片，有9個人按讚；再來，跨領域就業津貼全攻略，15個人按讚；還有這些卡通畫得非常漂亮，婦女再就業漫畫圖有18個人按讚，以及婦女再就業一樣是18個人按讚。因為您還蠻擅長新媒體這個部分，請問你有沒有要就這些新媒體的推廣成效做一些改進呢？"],["洪部長申翰：跟陳委員說，我看你這邊列的應該是IG的部分，但是我們一個圖文的宣傳不會只放在單一的社群平臺，同時我們也會比方說放在Facebook，放在Threads，都會放，目前就我知道的是，在其他平臺的效果其實是蠻不錯的，相關的點閱或按讚數應該比……在IG可能是因為我們剛開始經營吧。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，沒關係。再來我只是給你看一下，這也是最新的一個，我認為也蠻重要的就是紓困貸款開放申請的影片只有8個人按讚，您知道紓困貸款很多申請的也是年輕人，IG剛好是一個年輕人很會用的平臺，所以我也希望未來，你們對於年輕人會用的新媒體可以再做更多的、有效的推廣，更多的有效推廣不一定代表需要花更多錢。"],["洪部長申翰：跟委員說明，因為您的簡報裡面寫說媒體宣傳大筆大筆花，其實應該沒有大筆大筆花，所以……"],["陳委員菁徽：沒關係，等一下我們來討論，我有準備資料，我只是覺得你有這麼好的平臺，而且你個人之前也算是非常善於經營新媒體的，所以我希望您可以把你的專長發揮在勞動部上面，這些國際婦女節等等……"],["洪部長申翰：我們能夠做得更好的部分，我們願意來做。"],["陳委員菁徽：是，當然，我只是點出這些問題，希望以你的專長是可以改進的。當然再來，這也是很多人到現在還在說的，YT頻道你們也成立蠻久的，之前其實我看到部長在還不是部長的時候也很擅長經營YT……"],["洪部長申翰：不敢、不敢，我不敢這樣說。"],["陳委員菁徽：因此我們來看，這個演唱會，主計部已經統計出來，總共是花368萬辦演唱會加上給同一位導演剪片，剪了五、六支片，其中也有幕後花絮等等的這些，你看一年前至今觀看次數也是只有幾百次，所以我也希望您可以利用你的專長來改進這個部分。"],["洪部長申翰：我不敢說社群媒體經營是我的專長，我想我不敢這樣說。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，那我們待會可以看一下，因為您個人的按讚數都大勝於勞動部，如果可以的話，我們也希望可以應用到勞動部的社群媒體上來。再來我們看這一個，我有看了您11月上任的誓詞，當時你有一段很感人的誓詞，你說我要當全民的部長，然後我要當勞工的靠山。我們先來看您的IG，非常多非常多追蹤者，也希望可以引入到勞動部這邊……"],["洪部長申翰：這不算多。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，請看第一個，你已經不是民進黨立院黨團的一員了，當初陳菊加入監察院的時候就暫時註銷黨籍，您的誓詞裡面說要當全民的部長，您還把DPP黨團放在第一個精華，您覺得這樣妥切嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：DPP黨團？喔，這個我們應該已經改版了。"],["陳委員菁徽：這是我們昨天才看的。"],["洪部長申翰：陳委員，我這樣說，第一個「我是勞動部長洪申翰」這句話是事實；然後「勞動部媒宣費被大砍」也是事實，所以……"],["陳委員菁徽：對，等一下我們會來看勞動部媒宣費什麼叫做「大砍」，然後我也有剪出我們之前檢討預算這個部分，好不好？"],["洪部長申翰：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：您用週末的時間秉持您的立場去做大宣講，這個當然是OK，可是因為這個IG是24小時在run的嘛，我覺得您的誓詞裡面希望自己可以秉持行政中立，而且我們有看其他很多部門的部長，他們並沒有這樣子做，他們並沒有這樣子做，他們可能週末的時候參與大宣講，可是他們在平常自己的社群是秉持行政中立的，尤其是24小時的。我們等一下來看，為什麼你要說勞動部媒宣費被大砍，所以拜託追蹤一起挺勞工。剛剛我給您看的有8個讚、18個讚、15個讚那幾個貼文，很多都發生在預算爭議之前，所以以前你覺得預算沒有被砍的時候也是做得很差，後來你覺得預算被砍時還是做得很差，所以請大家追蹤，這樣子不對吧？這樣說不過去吧？"],["洪部長申翰：陳委員，第一個我還是要說，在某些特定的社群平臺上的宣傳成效有沒有值得更加強的地方，我們願意回去檢討，這部分是這樣……"],["陳委員菁徽：是，那您是不是應該要更行政中立一點的？"],["洪部長申翰：那你剛才講的是IG的部分，我們願意回去檢討，這是第一點。第二點，確實今年的媒宣費用被砍了……"],["陳委員菁徽：沒關係，我們來看一下。今年的媒宣費，你的公務預算是編62，我已經跟司長確認過，最後你們是減少6，有沒有大砍？111年你在這邊當立法委員的時候，許銘春編的是49萬，所以今年你的預算62減6之後還比許銘春多，然後你現在說我被大砍了，你覺得是許銘春做得很差，他錢不夠，他只有編49萬，你那個時候也覺得OK，你那個時候並沒有覺得許銘春拿這49萬少。","再來，你明明就知道，大部分的媒宣費編在就安基金裡面，你今年就安基金編了兩億多喔，你編了兩億多喔，你知道自己為什麼被減列？其實是因為三個黨的委員當時都有諸多批評，每個人都輪流發言，我先剪一小段讓您回憶一下。你當時聽完三個黨藍、綠、白所有委員的意見，你說對，你會深刻檢討，你講出為什麼媒體宣傳就安基金這一塊做得不好，你要如何檢討，最後你是謝謝大家減列，我們是併案減列1,000萬元。","（播放影片）"],["陳委員菁徽：好，當時召委是宣布併藍、綠、白委員的案，最後併案減列1,000萬，你也講說你有很多做得不足的地方，你要檢討，你要檢討，結果你現在在IG上哭窮，說「我被大砍了」，請大家一定要追蹤你。你被大砍以前，IG的成效也非常的差，這是第一點。第二點，預算兩億多，你自己經過檢討，你謝謝大家，好，最後所有委員的提案併案減列1,000萬，你說謝謝，你也會再檢討，然後事情又沒辦法做了。以前許銘春拿49萬的時候也沒哭窮，你也覺得他做得好棒棒，這還是你審的呢！"],["洪部長申翰：跟委員說明，到現在為止，去年我12月來到部裡的時候，我還要再說一次，我們確實對於開口契約的適用就做出了檢討，甚至我們當時就把標案給停下來了，到目前為止，勞動部是沒有開口契約的標案的。所以剛剛講的這些相關的社群媒體的製作，坦白說，都是這段時間我們公務同仁非常非常辛苦做的東西，我們沒有開口標案來做這件事情……"],["陳委員菁徽：好，我覺得你們應該要把什麼東西列上來，我們再來看一下。"],["洪部長申翰：我們現在是沒有開口標案，所以這就是我們做的……"],["陳委員菁徽：一樣，這個是您以前當立法委員的時候所立的規矩，我們必須要把辦理政策宣導相關廣告執行情形每一個月更新給人民看，放到網站上去。你是11月上任，2024年12月以前，每一筆清清楚楚的都在上面，但是2025年1月以後就沒有了，我給你看一下113年12月以前，我們全民都還可以看得到你用就安基金的錢，而且就安基金的錢早就可以用，連你們勞發署都說早就已經開始用，為什麼你們還沒有把它放上網站呢？"],["洪部長申翰：跟委員說明，剛剛的那個是我們在去年12月31日以後，我們就沒有開口契約的廣宣計畫了，我們就已經沒有了。"],["陳委員菁徽：我現在在講你沒有更新你的媒體政策及業務宣導執行情形表。"],["洪部長申翰：因為去年12月以前是有開口契約的廣宣計畫，但是12月之後就沒有了。"],["陳委員菁徽：我跟你說，你2024年12月以前，不管是基金、勞保局、本部，通通都會寫上去。"],["洪部長申翰：跟委員說明，我們在12月之後就沒有開口契約的媒宣計畫了。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，我希望你們還是可以定期去更新。我給你看一下衛福部的，這是衛生福利部今年1月到3月的資料，它好好的告訴人民它的政策及業務宣導執行情況；再來還有環境部的，環境部也把它全部列上去，列了非常的多。因為沒有開口契約，所以你沒有要再放了？"],["洪部長申翰：委員，我們是真的很認真的檢討開口契約的適用，該檢討的部分，我們就會檢討，所以現在就是沒有的，我只是想說剛剛講很多的成效，其實目前這些社群的經營，真的都是我們的公務同仁自己去分工，是非常非常辛苦在進行這件事情的，這部分……"],["陳委員菁徽：我有看了你們的素材，我已經有看你們的素材，我覺得非常用心，所以我開宗明義就說，第一，希望您利用您的專長，也可以發揮到勞動部上，這是您的專長之一啊！第二，我希望您行政中立嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：對啊！很合理嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：是，當然。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為許銘春拿的錢比你少很多啊！第三，我也希望你們可以讓它公開透明，你可以讓它公開透明嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：委員，這個經費的比較不是這樣比的，我真的要說媒宣經費的比較不是這樣比的，過去部裡面真的是很依賴比方這個開口契約的部分……"],["陳委員菁徽：你的就安基金……"],["洪部長申翰：可是現在我們已經沒有開口契約的媒宣經費了……"],["陳委員菁徽：等一下，你的就安基金編了兩億多，然後在我們全部的人都有共識之下，減列1,000萬，這個是事實，什麼原因……"],["洪部長申翰：但是那個沒有用在部裡面的媒宣啊！"],["陳委員菁徽：什麼原因，我們也在這邊公開討論，都已經講完了，其實我們也都講完了，我們也只希望你好好……"],["洪部長申翰：委員，那個沒有用在部裡面的政令媒宣啊！"],["陳委員菁徽：我們等一下就把這一張再還給你好嗎？我們現在只是希望把事情做好，希望公開透明，因為大家覺得你沒有跟許銘春……"],["洪部長申翰：委員，大家不就是希望就安基金就是用在……"],["陳委員菁徽：你沒有跟許銘春把錢要回來，還要用公務預算去支應，最後你寫了一個聲復報告說這是為了提升勞工的福祉所辦的演唱會還有剪的影片，人民都已經覺得看不太下去了，因為你的聲復理由跟你這邊對我們做的檢討根本搭不起來。最近很多勞工團體來拜訪，我就播了這幾個影片給他們看，我說勞動部部長說這個活動是為了提升勞工的福祉，請問他們看完這個演唱會、看完這個影片，他們有覺得自己福祉被提升了嗎？所以你到底是有做問卷調查，還是你從哪邊看出他們福祉有被提升？你這個聲復理由如果在勞動部的網站或是IG貼出來，說當初許銘春辦的這個演唱會是有提升勞工福祉，我看下面有幾個人會回啊？"],["洪部長申翰：委員，你剛才說的，可以讓我有時間做說明嗎？第一個，正是因為包括審計，也包括立法院，希望我們就安基金的錢不應該再擴大使用的範圍，我們是希望在發展署下面相關的計畫去做使用，所以我們才覺得接下來就是不需要再用就安基金的錢來做部裡面可能跟就安沒有相關事情的媒宣使用，目前部裡面相關的這些媒宣計畫是沒有開口契約的，所以這不是說就安基金這邊很多錢，如果大家同樣都說就安基金很多錢，我這邊都可以用的話，那就回到過去了……"],["陳委員菁徽：我看了你的素材，很多都跟就業安定有相關……"],["洪部長申翰：這就回到過去大家批評的狀況了！"],["陳委員菁徽：對不起！主席，這是我的時間，很多人都關心這題，所以我要再把它問完。","好，等一下我拿我們的資料再給你。最後，這個是您非常在乎的，也是您常常質詢的，甚至之前質詢的時候說應該要修法，我也不用引用了，其實我本來希望劉建國召委有在臺上，但是他今年就有提案指出你的這個試辦計畫沒有提供雇主誘因，也沒有強制要求雇主執行，導致立意良善的政策流於形式，建議減列及凍結各100萬預算，待勞動部改善問題後，提書面報告得以動支。林淑芬委員也在這邊講到當初勞動部不願意聽取民意，一意孤行，讓彈性育嬰假成為一個注定失敗的試辦計畫，所以幾十萬家中小企業，只有89個單位參加，申請人數還只有182人。這個不知道您會提出報告給劉建國召委嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：會啊！其實我想關於彈性育嬰留停的作法上面，我們其實現在一直朝向往更彈性的作法去做研擬，但確實我們現在也是在考慮，包括比方財務上面的限制，因為這裡面涉及到比方就保基金的運用、財務的限制，也包括我們要怎麼去降低可能雇主會因為彈性育嬰留停，而在排班上面的挑戰，所以在這幾個考慮點之內，現在我們還是持續在研擬方案，也跟各界在做討論中。"],["陳委員菁徽：這邊是之前也滿多委員提供給您的，是不是公部門先來做表率？因為公部門開始做，做了成效好，就可以說服私部門，甚至給私部門誘因來參與這樣子的試辦計畫，但是這個問題我們已經問了好多次了，至今業管都說一直在做意見上的蒐集跟統整，我只是想單純的問一下，請問您現在找了公部門的哪些機關已經有做了一些意見上的統整，我們只是問一下進度而已。"],["洪部長申翰：我們現在的方向不一定是以公部門、私部門這樣去分，甚至如果要去進行的話，其實不一定是分公部門、私部門。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以我們等一下可以跟你要到一份書面資料，你已經找誰做溝通跟統整？"],["洪部長申翰：我們其實現在包括跟產業界在做一些討論，然後跟勞工團體、跟相關人也有在做一些討論。"],["陳委員菁徽：是，等一下再請你提供會議紀錄，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝陳菁徽委員的發言，也謝謝部長回應。","下一位我們請蘇清泉委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":358,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-9","speakers":["劉建國","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","蘇清泉","邱鎮軍","王育敏","林淑芬","王正旭","羅廷瑋","楊瓊瓔","鄭天財Sra 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