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00:01:52,051\n那故宮的業務單位回給我們辦公室的文件是非常憂心忡忡表示恐怕會影響參觀人士院長你如何回應\n\n7\n00:01:54,038 --> 00:02:07,347\n人質方面的話我當然還是給自己一個期望值就是350萬是沒有變但是調整北苑240萬然後南苑的話因為今年有大美復原的話南苑的話110萬總體是250萬那當然沒有錯水電會被刪的話因為水電的結算數已經超過預算數所以它勢必會\n\n8\n00:02:17,338 --> 00:02:46,938\n有挪動啦就是因為水電會他是可以他是可以留用的所以我們可能會留用推廣教育的經費所以原來的譬如說百萬鞋子有故宮啊我們還是繼續辦但場次就會減少像這樣的推廣活動的話他就會相對減少因為沒有經費那當然為了不讓這個減少太過急劇的話我們是有跟社會企業跟宮廟共同合作希望說把這一塊也補起來就不要讓他有太大的落差\n\n9\n00:02:47,798 --> 00:03:11,034\n那宣傳的部分的話當然這是一個比較大的問題我們宣傳的話今年的話大概透過兩個大的國外的展覽一個是大美部園然後一個是大都會我們千拜託萬拜託拜託的合作單位加大力道宣傳因為來看這個展覽的話當然也會讓其他的展覽同樣收到關注這樣子\n\n10\n00:03:11,752 --> 00:03:31,012\n好那我們再來看看國際交流的部分中國旅費的部分有八成以上都被刪掉17萬被刪成剩3萬那這是不是表示中國今年的我們的學術研討故宮就沒有辦法參加會不會影響故宮學術研究的成果\n\n11\n00:03:31,593 --> 00:03:38,317\n那至於我們要到其他國家的旅費也被刪了一半喔297萬當中的178萬全部沒了那我們去年開開心心的規劃您剛也提到像說今年我們要跟法國的這個\n\n12\n00:03:47,803 --> 00:04:16,238\n凱布朗利的博物館要攜手展出龍展讓法國的民眾進一步認識東方的龍文化就現在出國旅費倍大三那故宮也計畫今年9月到12月要到捷克我們要到捷克的布拉格國家博物館攜手合作要舉辦一個故宮文物百選及其故事的特展我們高人氣的翠玉白菜啊清明上河土等等這種藏品供祭百件都要到捷克去\n\n13\n00:04:16,938 --> 00:04:38,421\n院長不管要去法國還是要去捷克旅費的短缺那故宮業務單位其實也是相當程度的憂心回去我們辦公室的文件也指出說不管是布展還是卸展還是開幕活動的安排人力都會有狀況也可能會影響到國際文化交流的成效所以我想進一步請教院長的是說\n\n14\n00:04:39,102 --> 00:04:43,506\n人力的不足是不是會讓我們寶貴的文物處在危險的狀態或者又會讓外國人覺得台灣對文物的維護會如此的隨便院長你怎麼覺得\n\n15\n00:04:52,541 --> 00:05:10,562\n跟委員報告就是有關考察的部分的話我們衡量整個經會的情況考察的部分的話我們就暫時就擱置考察考察的部分單純考察的部分你說在國內的考察國外的國外的考察\n\n16\n00:05:11,283 --> 00:05:39,684\n但是包括那個大陸對中國這個就不去了因為大家不了解故宮最主要的經費出國經費是用在壓印跟布卸展上面如果是說那個壓印布卸展的話沒有這樣的經費的話它就會影響到整個布卸展的品質跟它的規劃這個的確所以我們也在尋求另外的一些資源可以讓這個活動\n\n17\n00:05:41,127 --> 00:05:59,423\n可以順利進行因為我不能講說因為預算被刪然後我們就會讓這個工作停擺或是說讓他的文物安全受到障礙所以這個部分的話我們有在尋求其他的方式來解決明白的講就是我們在找社會贊助好\n\n18\n00:06:00,503 --> 00:06:21,098\n好那我們再看一般事務費也被刪了4700多萬再在故宮回給本辦的資料上面來看這筆預算招刪會嚴重影響展場的品質跟文物的安全還有相關展覽活動所以院長怎麼樣因應這個危機特別是文物的安全\n\n19\n00:06:23,089 --> 00:06:45,776\n這個我跟委員報告就是說站在故宮的一個立場我們還是會想辦法克服這些困難所以當然就是有一些部分的話會有所影響譬如說南苑的我們有一些開放性的一般的所謂的維護那這個合約的話我們就停掉了然後把它整併到另外一個合約上面來處理\n\n20\n00:06:47,496 --> 00:07:05,796\n盡量不要影響到故宮不管南北苑的一個展覽品質跟它的文物的保護所以啊藍白刪預算刪掉了故宮的宣傳行銷刪掉了故宮的國際外交這個其實是真的蠻惡劣的玩笑\n\n21\n00:07:06,417 --> 00:07:25,006\n那行銷跟外銷對一個國際級的博物館來看喔重要性是不言可喻喔那好那我想我要呼籲喔為了盡可能彌補這個三預算的錯誤我想不分黨派的委員應該要無條件來全數解凍故宮的預算所以反正\n\n22\n00:07:25,726 --> 00:07:32,950\n預算被刪了就刪了沒得救了好那我們再來談談我們藍白委員還有機會來修正自身錯誤的凍結案尤其在院會的凍結業務費有兩億兩千萬元在教委會的我們根本沒有任何立場就如同剛剛葛昭偉也說其實我們對於故宮是最沒有意識形態的\n\n23\n00:07:48,540 --> 00:08:05,230\n當初我們在教文委員會在審查今年度的預算的時候我們是高度的共識而且我們沒有任何一項預算是出了委員會還有爭議就沒有任何預算是需要到協商程程序喔所以請大家記得今年度的教文委員會審查預算\n\n24\n00:08:06,551 --> 00:08:30,681\n預算臨岸保留也就是說軟白在院會亂刪亂動我們教文組折的預算的時候推翻我們教文委員會所花費的一個會期去專業用心審查的結果根本就是在浪費國家資源毫無正當性所以請國民黨跟民眾黨的教文委員真的不要再將錯就錯讓我們把一起把院會被凍結的業務費兩億兩千萬元完整的還給故宮所以最後\n\n25\n00:08:36,866 --> 00:08:42,862\n針對這個預算解凍的程序院長你有什麼樣的呼籲或者你現在有什麼需要說明的\n\n26\n00:08:44,961 --> 00:08:55,227\n這個部分的話在委員會的話在凍結的部分的話4億2千250萬就包括那個新故宮計畫3億5千萬那另外的話宴會凍結的話後來我們整個精算出來的話2億2千180萬總共的話是6億4千681萬\n\n27\n00:09:07,634 --> 00:09:27,201\n用故宮的預算來算的話超過20%的這個凍結的話在過去的話是前所未有的因為過去的凍結的話最高最高都不會超過3%現在不會超過3%現在的話是20%基本上來講的話如果不解凍的話對故宮接下來的業務運作絕對會有影響\n\n28\n00:09:29,713 --> 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今年的北院參觀人次你預計要達到250萬喔南院要突破100萬人次總共要350萬喔\n80939\t100945\t但是今年媒體政策業務宣傳費一半以上都被刪掉900多萬預算被刪了500多萬在宣傳費不足的情況之下我想請教院長故宮的各鄉活動的資訊要如何擴及各族群你去年地下參展人數的目標會修正嗎\n102865\t112051\t那故宮的業務單位回給我們辦公室的文件是非常憂心忡忡表示恐怕會影響參觀人士院長你如何回應\n114038\t127347\t人質方面的話我當然還是給自己一個期望值就是350萬是沒有變但是調整北苑240萬然後南苑的話因為今年有大美復原的話南苑的話110萬總體是250萬那當然沒有錯水電會被刪的話因為水電的結算數已經超過預算數所以它勢必會\n137338\t166938\t有挪動啦就是因為水電會他是可以他是可以留用的所以我們可能會留用推廣教育的經費所以原來的譬如說百萬鞋子有故宮啊我們還是繼續辦但場次就會減少像這樣的推廣活動的話他就會相對減少因為沒有經費那當然為了不讓這個減少太過急劇的話我們是有跟社會企業跟宮廟共同合作希望說把這一塊也補起來就不要讓他有太大的落差\n167798\t191034\t那宣傳的部分的話當然這是一個比較大的問題我們宣傳的話今年的話大概透過兩個大的國外的展覽一個是大美部園然後一個是大都會我們千拜託萬拜託拜託的合作單位加大力道宣傳因為來看這個展覽的話當然也會讓其他的展覽同樣收到關注這樣子\n191752\t211012\t好 那我們再來看看國際交流的部分中國旅費的部分有八成以上都被刪掉17萬被刪成剩3萬那這是不是表示中國今年的我們的學術研討故宮就沒有辦法參加會不會影響故宮學術研究的成果\n211593\t218317\t那至於我們要到其他國家的旅費也被刪了一半喔 297萬當中的178萬全部沒了那我們去年開開心心的規劃 您剛也提到像說今年我們要跟法國的這個\n227803\t256238\t凱布朗利的博物館要攜手展出龍展讓法國的民眾進一步認識東方的龍文化就現在出國旅費倍大三那故宮也計畫今年9月到12月要到捷克我們要到捷克的布拉格國家博物館攜手合作要舉辦一個故宮文物百選及其故事的特展我們高人氣的翠玉白菜啊清明上河土等等這種藏品 供祭百件都要到捷克去\n256938\t278421\t院長不管要去法國還是要去捷克旅費的短缺那故宮業務單位其實也是相當程度的憂心回去我們辦公室的文件也指出說不管是布展還是卸展還是開幕活動的安排人力都會有狀況也可能會影響到國際文化交流的成效所以我想進一步請教院長的是說\n279102\t283506\t人力的不足是不是會讓我們寶貴的文物處在危險的狀態或者又會讓外國人覺得台灣對文物的維護會如此的隨便院長你怎麼覺得\n292541\t310562\t跟委員報告就是有關考察的部分的話我們衡量整個經會的情況考察的部分的話我們就暫時就擱置考察考察的部分單純考察的部分你說在國內的考察國外的國外的考察\n311283\t339684\t但是包括那個大陸對 中國這個就不去了因為大家不了解故宮最主要的經費出國經費是用在壓印跟布卸展上面如果是說那個壓印布卸展的話沒有這樣的經費的話它就會影響到整個布卸展的品質跟它的規劃這個的確所以我們也在尋求另外的一些資源可以讓這個活動\n341127\t359423\t可以順利進行因為我不能講說因為預算被刪然後我們就會讓這個工作停擺或是說讓他的文物安全受到障礙所以這個部分的話我們有在尋求其他的方式來解決明白的講就是我們在找社會贊助好\n360503\t381098\t好 那我們再看一般事務費也被刪了4700多萬再在故宮回給本辦的資料上面來看這筆預算招刪會嚴重影響展場的品質跟文物的安全還有相關展覽活動所以院長 怎麼樣因應這個危機特別是文物的安全\n383089\t405776\t這個我跟委員報告就是說站在故宮的一個立場我們還是會想辦法克服這些困難所以當然就是有一些部分的話會有所影響譬如說南苑的我們有一些開放性的一般的所謂的維護那這個合約的話我們就停掉了然後把它整併到另外一個合約上面來處理\n407496\t425796\t盡量不要影響到故宮 不管南北苑的一個展覽品質跟它的文物的保護所以啊 藍白刪預算刪掉了故宮的宣傳行銷刪掉了故宮的國際外交這個其實是真的蠻惡劣的玩笑\n426417\t445006\t那行銷跟外銷對一個國際級的博物館來看喔重要性是不言可喻喔那好 那我想我要呼籲喔為了盡可能彌補這個三預算的錯誤我想不分黨派的委員應該要無條件來全數解凍故宮的預算所以 反正\n445726\t452950\t預算被刪了就刪了沒得救了好 那我們再來談談我們藍白委員還有機會來修正自身錯誤的凍結案尤其在院會的凍結業務費有兩億兩千萬元在教委會的我們根本沒有任何立場就如同剛剛葛昭偉也說其實我們對於故宮是最沒有意識形態的\n468540\t485230\t當初我們在教文委員會在審查今年度的預算的時候我們是高度的共識而且我們沒有任何一項預算是出了委員會還有爭議就沒有任何預算是需要到協商程程序喔所以請大家記得今年度的教文委員會審查預算\n486551\t510681\t預算臨岸保留 也就是說軟白在院會亂刪 亂動我們教文組折的預算的時候推翻我們教文委員會所花費的一個會期去專業用心審查的結果根本就是在浪費國家資源 毫無正當性所以請國民黨跟民眾黨的教文委員真的不要再將錯就錯讓我們把一起 把院會被凍結的業務費兩億兩千萬元 完整的還給故宮所以最後\n516866\t522862\t針對這個預算解凍的程序 院長你有什麼樣的呼籲或者你現在有什麼需要說明的\n524961\t535227\t這個部分的話在委員會的話在凍結的部分的話4億2千250萬就包括那個新故宮計畫3億5千萬那另外的話 宴會凍結的話後來我們整個精算出來的話2億2千180萬總共的話是6億4千681萬\n547634\t567201\t用故宮的預算來算的話超過20%的這個凍結的話在過去的話是前所未有的因為過去的凍結的話最高最高都不會超過3%現在不會超過3%現在的話是20%基本上來講的話如果不解凍的話對故宮接下來的業務運作絕對會有影響\n569713\t592478\t所以你的解凍案我知道您已經送了嘛是 已經送了好 那就等到可以委員會來排的時候我們就要進速來排解凍案也希望我們藍白委員共同來支持解凍OK 謝謝院長 謝謝主席好 謝謝林一錦召委的質詢我們官員請回座那相關的這個\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 有請蕭院長請蕭院長備諮詢 謝謝\n剛剛很多委員都提到今年是否百年願慶可是藍白兩黨攜手送給了故宮一個大禮那就是小致水電費大致國際交流費用全部湖山亂動預算搞到故宮的百歲生日恐怕成為百年浩劫\n藍白亂砍預算不但讓故宮一切分類工作顯得進退兩難左右為難而且也一笑大方一笑國際讓全世界看到竟然有一個國家的國會是這樣的二整全人類珍貴文化遺產我們來看鎖定費一升升的一千多萬沒了\n請問院長 這樣的基本維運的這個必要費用你要在哪裡去犧牲來結長補短是要犧牲這個展覽的品質嗎還是要犧牲行政的品質還有另外 剛剛院長你也一直強調你去年就說2025 今年的北院參觀人次你預計要達到250萬喔南院要突破100萬人次總共要350萬喔\n但是今年媒體政策業務宣傳費一半以上都被刪掉900多萬預算被刪了500多萬在宣傳費不足的情況之下我想請教院長故宮的各鄉活動的資訊要如何擴及各族群你去年地下參展人數的目標會修正嗎\n那故宮的業務單位回給我們辦公室的文件是非常憂心忡忡表示恐怕會影響參觀人士院長你如何回應\n人質方面的話我當然還是給自己一個期望值就是350萬是沒有變但是調整北苑240萬然後南苑的話因為今年有大美復原的話南苑的話110萬總體是250萬那當然沒有錯水電會被刪的話因為水電的結算數已經超過預算數所以它勢必會\n有挪動啦就是因為水電會他是可以他是可以留用的所以我們可能會留用推廣教育的經費所以原來的譬如說百萬鞋子有故宮啊我們還是繼續辦但場次就會減少像這樣的推廣活動的話他就會相對減少因為沒有經費那當然為了不讓這個減少太過急劇的話我們是有跟社會企業跟宮廟共同合作希望說把這一塊也補起來就不要讓他有太大的落差\n那宣傳的部分的話當然這是一個比較大的問題我們宣傳的話今年的話大概透過兩個大的國外的展覽一個是大美部園然後一個是大都會我們千拜託萬拜託拜託的合作單位加大力道宣傳因為來看這個展覽的話當然也會讓其他的展覽同樣收到關注這樣子\n好 那我們再來看看國際交流的部分中國旅費的部分有八成以上都被刪掉17萬被刪成剩3萬那這是不是表示中國今年的我們的學術研討故宮就沒有辦法參加會不會影響故宮學術研究的成果\n那至於我們要到其他國家的旅費也被刪了一半喔 297萬當中的178萬全部沒了那我們去年開開心心的規劃 您剛也提到像說今年我們要跟法國的這個\n凱布朗利的博物館要攜手展出龍展讓法國的民眾進一步認識東方的龍文化就現在出國旅費倍大三那故宮也計畫今年9月到12月要到捷克我們要到捷克的布拉格國家博物館攜手合作要舉辦一個故宮文物百選及其故事的特展我們高人氣的翠玉白菜啊清明上河土等等這種藏品 供祭百件都要到捷克去\n院長不管要去法國還是要去捷克旅費的短缺那故宮業務單位其實也是相當程度的憂心回去我們辦公室的文件也指出說不管是布展還是卸展還是開幕活動的安排人力都會有狀況也可能會影響到國際文化交流的成效所以我想進一步請教院長的是說\n人力的不足是不是會讓我們寶貴的文物處在危險的狀態或者又會讓外國人覺得台灣對文物的維護會如此的隨便院長你怎麼覺得\n跟委員報告就是有關考察的部分的話我們衡量整個經會的情況考察的部分的話我們就暫時就擱置考察考察的部分單純考察的部分你說在國內的考察國外的國外的考察\n但是包括那個大陸對 中國這個就不去了因為大家不了解故宮最主要的經費出國經費是用在壓印跟布卸展上面如果是說那個壓印布卸展的話沒有這樣的經費的話它就會影響到整個布卸展的品質跟它的規劃這個的確所以我們也在尋求另外的一些資源可以讓這個活動\n可以順利進行因為我不能講說因為預算被刪然後我們就會讓這個工作停擺或是說讓他的文物安全受到障礙所以這個部分的話我們有在尋求其他的方式來解決明白的講就是我們在找社會贊助好\n好 那我們再看一般事務費也被刪了4700多萬再在故宮回給本辦的資料上面來看這筆預算招刪會嚴重影響展場的品質跟文物的安全還有相關展覽活動所以院長 怎麼樣因應這個危機特別是文物的安全\n這個我跟委員報告就是說站在故宮的一個立場我們還是會想辦法克服這些困難所以當然就是有一些部分的話會有所影響譬如說南苑的我們有一些開放性的一般的所謂的維護那這個合約的話我們就停掉了然後把它整併到另外一個合約上面來處理\n盡量不要影響到故宮 不管南北苑的一個展覽品質跟它的文物的保護所以啊 藍白刪預算刪掉了故宮的宣傳行銷刪掉了故宮的國際外交這個其實是真的蠻惡劣的玩笑\n那行銷跟外銷對一個國際級的博物館來看喔重要性是不言可喻喔那好 那我想我要呼籲喔為了盡可能彌補這個三預算的錯誤我想不分黨派的委員應該要無條件來全數解凍故宮的預算所以 反正\n預算被刪了就刪了沒得救了好 那我們再來談談我們藍白委員還有機會來修正自身錯誤的凍結案尤其在院會的凍結業務費有兩億兩千萬元在教委會的我們根本沒有任何立場就如同剛剛葛昭偉也說其實我們對於故宮是最沒有意識形態的\n當初我們在教文委員會在審查今年度的預算的時候我們是高度的共識而且我們沒有任何一項預算是出了委員會還有爭議就沒有任何預算是需要到協商程程序喔所以請大家記得今年度的教文委員會審查預算\n預算臨岸保留 也就是說軟白在院會亂刪 亂動我們教文組折的預算的時候推翻我們教文委員會所花費的一個會期去專業用心審查的結果根本就是在浪費國家資源 毫無正當性所以請國民黨跟民眾黨的教文委員真的不要再將錯就錯讓我們把一起 把院會被凍結的業務費兩億兩千萬元 完整的還給故宮所以最後\n針對這個預算解凍的程序 院長你有什麼樣的呼籲或者你現在有什麼需要說明的\n這個部分的話在委員會的話在凍結的部分的話4億2千250萬就包括那個新故宮計畫3億5千萬那另外的話 宴會凍結的話後來我們整個精算出來的話2億2千180萬總共的話是6億4千681萬\n用故宮的預算來算的話超過20%的這個凍結的話在過去的話是前所未有的因為過去的凍結的話最高最高都不會超過3%現在不會超過3%現在的話是20%基本上來講的話如果不解凍的話對故宮接下來的業務運作絕對會有影響\n所以你的解凍案我知道您已經送了嘛是 已經送了好 那就等到可以委員會來排的時候我們就要進速來排解凍案也希望我們藍白委員共同來支持解凍OK 謝謝院長 謝謝主席好 謝謝林一錦召委的質詢我們官員請回座那相關的這個\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.673\n好謝謝主席有請蕭院長請蕭院長備諮詢謝謝\n\n00:11.465 --> 00:31.222\n剛剛很多委員都提到今年是否百年願慶可是藍白兩黨攜手送給了故宮一個大禮那就是小致水電費大致國際交流費用全部湖山亂動預算搞到故宮的百歲生日恐怕成為百年浩劫\n\n00:32.343 --> 00:52.488\n藍白亂砍預算不但讓故宮一切分類工作顯得進退兩難左右為難而且也一笑大方一笑國際讓全世界看到竟然有一個國家的國會是這樣的二整全人類珍貴文化遺產我們來看鎖定費一升升的一千多萬沒了\n\n00:53.488 --> 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