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00:02:02,614\n方式或是工具手段的嗎我們現在就是說可以透過現在一直發生這種工人事件夭壽這種悲劇的情形你不要說沒辦法不是我剛才講沒辦法就是說永遠在登記的時候永遠有一些黑數那這些黑數我們第一個就是要讓他宣導讓他知道\n\n7\n00:02:03,815 --> 00:02:25,529\n那他如果知道而不出來的時候那他一定會帶狗出來外面散步的時候你怎麼查然後透過沒有他散步的時候透過一些檢舉的方式通報的方式我們就可以去追蹤誰會跟你通報我想還是有一些人民看到民眾看到的時候都會來通報的部分他通報他怎麼知道這狗沒有植入晶片或者是沒有來登記\n\n8\n00:02:27,677 --> 00:02:40,400\n他看到這比特權的部分如果說他沒有依照相關的規範去去做遷移的時候那相對的本身民眾就可以來通報通報的話我們地方的動保檢查人員就會去去查訪\n\n9\n00:02:41,311 --> 00:02:58,616\n一定要去稽查因為很多黑數像這次狗咬狗的情形就是黑數好不好那因為這個動保法我們已經你們農業部已經在去年的8月已經送到行政院到現在什麼時候要送到8月\n\n10\n00:02:59,963 --> 00:03:27,710\n我們已經質詢好幾次了欸都是尋答沒有辦法處理就是因為沒有你們的版本我跟委員報告齁我剛才在報告的時候有講我們現在動不動修正在行政院已經審查完畢只在院會通過就可以送到行政院那我會盡快的跟行政院溝通能夠在下一次的院會排進去的時候五月就可以送進來你們每一次都回答我說年底就會送進來過了好幾個年了年底都沒有送進來沒有喔那個\n\n11\n00:03:29,348 --> 00:03:57,146\n因為您當召委的時候有排過一次齁那那個時候我們也如期送到行政院那行政院因為還有很多法案被排審希望你們趕快催促啦好不好趕快催促那因為本席會這麼提的話就是因為我們在動保法裡面其中的20條的第二項裡面針對有攻擊性的這個寵物出入公共場所的時候我們要有防範的措施齁不管是成人陪伴或者有要求說可以的話就要簽審嘛\n\n12\n00:03:58,667 --> 00:04:26,602\n有牽繩的方式的話那之前部長回答說因為是各縣市各自處理的那我們希望統一的方式來處理那也希望說我們農業部要把這條牽繩的這部分把列入參考列入這個規範好不好我們一定把它放進去一定要列入因為這個不同的犬隻的類型大小不一樣如果飼主啊你如果說不當地飼養小狗或變\n\n13\n00:04:27,783 --> 00:04:49,419\n對不對所以一定要好好的規範好不好那接下來要討論的就是說我們的糧食的自給率的下降這個糧食自給率我們看到我們在2011年的時候有針對於我們這個糧食供需這個年報裡面也有要求說希望我們的自給率可以達到40%\n\n14\n00:04:51,340 --> 00:05:19,962\n但是逐年一直下降到現在剩下的30%那在2011年我們就訂說在2020年的話我們要達到40%現在還是沒有達到那部長在這方面的話我們可以如何去訂定我們的期程或時程能夠給這個自給率能夠提高好謝謝委員的關心我第一個要說明的就是糧食自給率不等於糧食安全那糧食自給率它是一個進口出口之間的關係我如果減少出口\n\n15\n00:05:21,707 --> 00:05:26,602\n減少出口減少進口的部分增加出口的部分那你的意思是說現在30%是安全喔\n\n16\n00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:54,282\n不是我剛才說糧食自給率是一件事情它不是說糧食自給率低我們的糧食安全就低那要看糧食安全的品項我們在糧食安全的時候我們有針對主要的糧食那主要的糧食像稻米我們的自給率是百分之百我們蔬菜是百分之八十幾所以要看我們的糧食安全是要看我們的主食跟副食的部分可是你們既然訂出這個目標是要達到百分之四十嗎那你們有預估什麼時程可以達到百分之四十\n\n17\n00:05:54,662 --> 00:06:17,227\n我個人很坦白講當年很早大概十幾年前就訂在40%那個是一個願景一個目標那我們就朝向這個目標在走那現在會拉糧食自理局往下拉最主要就是我們的所有的黃小玉的飼料為主的這些原物料都是進口的對大部分的進口都是這個部分拉下來的\n\n18\n00:06:19,508 --> 00:06:34,588\n所以就是因為我們都依賴進口所以沒有給自給力不高那萬一有什麼環境時空背景的話讓我們進口進步來怎麼辦所以我們現在就是說我們找到糧食自給力下降是因為飼料的部分進口所以我們現在\n\n19\n00:06:35,649 --> 00:06:50,089\n做了很多對地綠色給付還有雜糧轉做就是這個目的我們希望說這些雜糧的種子能夠拉高以後那自給率就會上升我們是朝這個方向來走好所以您這樣講的話那部長因為這個美國這個\n\n20\n00:06:53,854 --> 00:07:20,832\n我們大部分都在美國進口這個黃小玉嘛對不對那因為黃小玉我們都依賴進口那美國這一次因為這個貿易的逆差要調高這個關稅到32%那現在雖然暫緩了90天但是要做一個談判的這個節奏在各部會的話在調整說怎麼去購買美國的那個產品那尤其是部長這邊有提到要增加對美國黃小玉的採購那請問部長\n\n21\n00:07:23,534 --> 00:07:35,144\n黃小玉的採購的話這個雜糧的部分的話我們在對黃豆跟小麥跟玉米我們的自給率非常低非常低都是0點多而已尤其是這個在2016年到2023年的話我們看到黃豆的自給率只有0.18\n\n22\n00:07:41,909 --> 00:08:08,023\n小麥的話0.35還有玉米的話才會多一點才2.98%那你看其他世界各國在鄰近我們這附近的話你看日本的話是38%他們的糧食供應是38%還有韓國的話是45%的自給率我們在這方面的話我們是不是有要提高它但是你又碰到說像美國你要提高這個黃小玉的擴大購買\n\n23\n00:08:09,264 --> 00:08:18,560\n增加購買的話那你又要讓我們的農民要推廣他們對雜糧的這個轉作你特別提到的就是說一轉\n\n24\n00:08:20,772 --> 00:08:45,618\n對於對於綠色環境給付的這個計畫一級二轉三加三這個部分那你要如何去讓農民能夠安心我種的這個黃小玉可以保障他的收購價格因為你看美國的部分的話他的黃小玉在品質上或者是他價格上都比較優厚啊那農民的話你這樣子的話農民更不敢去種這個雜糧的部分\n\n25\n00:08:48,019 --> 00:09:12,386\n我要跟委員報告就是說就成如你剛才說的我們自己做的我們的自有力非常低所以進口跟我們自己種的它有一個平衡比在那邊以黃豆來講我們的黃豆最主要是實用可是我們進口用的黃豆最主要是炸油所以它有市場區隔那小麥的部分因為美國的小麥它的筋性是比較符合我們的一些飲用品質那台灣的\n\n26\n00:09:14,106 --> 00:09:33,043\n麵粉小麥的筋性是比較適合做餅乾之類的或其他麵條之類的所以它也有市場區隔那同樣玉米也是一樣所以我們會用大量進口用大宗採購的方式是希望降低成本因為飼料是我們的畜牧產業很重要的成本之一所以我們透過\n\n27\n00:09:34,404 --> 00:09:51,974\n大量的進口以後去降低成本能夠讓我們的續產業的飼料真的降低你要提醒你的就是你要記得自給率的問題不能完全靠進口我們剛剛提到說不管是環境或者是整個持空背景萬一進不來的時候\n\n28\n00:09:52,774 --> 00:10:15,930\n我們可以有個自己的志氣力才能夠保障那現在你要農民轉做這個雜糧的話你要什麼誘因去保障它就是價格上的能夠保障收購讓他們才種得下去才能夠賣得出去這是最重要的部分嘛所以在這部分的話我希望你能夠做調整你們的政策你們的計畫都做出來了一轉二做三加三的話\n\n29\n00:10:16,570 --> 00:10:35,070\n你都已經提出來了但是你現在又提個要擴大對美國的採購對農民他們會擔心我種下去到時候價格又降下來我賣不出去怎麼辦所以請你們要嚴格審查而且要保障農民他的權益有保障收購的制度好不好\n\n30\n00:10:35,370 --> 00:10:55,588\n好謝謝委員的提醒我們針對我們現在推動的一級二轉參加餐本身對於飼料對於玉米的部分種植的部分我們在續展會那邊有一個收購的機制在那邊我們也絕對不會因為進口量變多而影響到農民的權益這個絕對不會發生的我們一定會確保農民的生意\n\n31\n00:10:55,748 --> 00:11:11,911\n不要一直都靠進口了我知道自給率要來提高提高自給率好不好有一個平衡點那你那個10成整個你的40%的這個自給率的部分那糧食的自給率部分你要把這個10成跟整個規劃出來好不好我們努力會來朝這個方向來做2030年可以嗎你現在訂2020年嘛現在給你10年時間達不到40%嗎我講坦白話可能2030年也達不到40%\n\n32\n00:11:23,019 --> 00:11:34,629\n至少要提高我們會提高我們會朝這個目標所以我剛才說我會從品項來看有些品項是跟量產業有關的我們會盡量拉高把這個時程跟目標產項都把它訂出來把這表格送給美食\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5371\t6612\t謝謝主席請陳部長陳部長喂好\n15748\t42210\t部長在這幾個月都有不斷傳出說比特犬有攻擊的事件尤其是3月份在台北就有比特犬惡毒的咬人的事情那在4月份的時候又屏東又出現狗咬狗比特犬去咬柴犬結果這個柴犬傷重而離世而這個比特犬我們經過調查之後的話它是未完成寵物登記或\n43470\t68418\t核絕育的這個情形那當然市主也因為動保法被裁罰了但是我們在2022年的3月1號我們也有要求比特犬是禁止飼養跟輸入的動物這農業部都已經做了但是現在發生了這個沒有登記完成的那有登記完成的目前造冊的有3974隻那沒有沒有\n72918\t78747\t登記跟決議的這個比特權 你們有什麼手 有什麼方式來做這個稽查\n80148\t102759\t我想這也是我們農業部的一個困擾就是說當我們就做禁止然後叫他們來登記的時候那一定有一些黑樹啦那這些黑樹一旦被抓到的話那等出事之後再罰就是了不是本末倒置了對 但是相對的我們一定會加強宣導透過地方政府去加強宣導那宣導的時候他不出來我們也沒辦法如果沒辦法 透過檢舉\n104140\t122614\t方式或是工具手段的嗎我們現在就是說可以透過現在一直發生這種工人事件 夭壽這種悲劇的情形你不要說沒辦法不是 我剛才講沒辦法就是說永遠在登記的時候 永遠有一些黑數那這些黑數 我們第一個就是要讓他宣導 讓他知道\n123815\t145529\t那他如果知道而不出來的時候那他一定會帶狗出來外面散步的時候你怎麼查然後透過沒有他散步的時候透過一些檢舉的方式通報的方式我們就可以去追蹤誰會跟你通報我想還是有一些人民看到民眾看到的時候都會來通報的部分他通報他怎麼知道這狗沒有植入晶片或者是沒有來登記\n147677\t160400\t他看到這比特權的部分如果說他沒有依照相關的規範去去做遷移的時候那相對的本身民眾就可以來通報通報的話我們地方的動保檢查人員就會去去查訪\n161311\t178616\t一定要去稽查 因為很多黑數像這次狗咬狗的情形就是黑數好不好那因為這個動保法我們已經你們農業部已經在去年的8月已經送到行政院到現在什麼時候要送到8月\n179963\t207710\t我們已經質詢好幾次了欸都是尋答沒有辦法處理就是因為沒有你們的版本我跟委員報告齁我剛才在報告的時候有講我們現在動不動修正在行政院已經審查完畢只在院會通過就可以送到行政院那我會盡快的跟行政院溝通能夠在下一次的院會排進去的時候五月就可以送進來你們每一次都回答我說年底就會送進來過了好幾個年了年底都沒有送進來沒有喔那個\n209348\t237146\t因為您當召委的時候有排過一次齁那那個時候我們也如期送到行政院那行政院因為還有很多法案被排審希望你們趕快催促啦好不好趕快催促那因為本席會這麼提的話就是因為我們在動保法裡面其中的20條的第二項裡面針對有攻擊性的這個寵物出入公共場所的時候我們要有防範的措施齁不管是成人陪伴或者有要求說可以的話就要簽審嘛\n238667\t266602\t有牽繩的方式的話 那之前部長回答說因為是各縣市各自處理的那我們希望統一的方式來處理那也希望說我們農業部要把這條牽繩的這部分把列入參考列入這個規範好不好 我們一定把它放進去一定要列入因為這個不同的犬隻的類型大小不一樣 如果飼主啊你如果說不當地飼養小狗或變\n267783\t289419\t對不對所以一定要好好的規範好不好那接下來要討論的就是說我們的糧食的自給率的下降這個糧食自給率我們看到我們在2011年的時候有針對於我們這個糧食供需這個年報裡面也有要求說希望我們的自給率可以達到40%\n291340\t319962\t但是逐年一直下降到現在剩下的30%那在2011年我們就訂說在2020年的話我們要達到40%現在還是沒有達到那部長在這方面的話我們可以如何去訂定我們的期程或時程能夠給這個自給率能夠提高好 謝謝委員的關心我第一個要說明的就是糧食自給率不等於糧食安全那糧食自給率它是一個進口出口之間的關係我如果減少出口\n321707\t326602\t減少出口減少進口的部分 增加出口的部分那你的意思是說現在30%是安全喔\n327520\t354282\t不是 我剛才說糧食自給率是一件事情它不是說糧食自給率低我們的糧食安全就低那要看糧食安全的品項我們在糧食安全的時候我們有針對主要的糧食那主要的糧食像稻米我們的自給率是百分之百我們蔬菜是百分之八十幾所以要看我們的糧食安全是要看我們的主食跟副食的部分可是你們既然訂出這個目標是要達到百分之四十嗎那你們有預估什麼時程可以達到百分之四十\n354662\t377227\t我個人很坦白講當年很早大概十幾年前就訂在40%那個是一個願景一個目標那我們就朝向這個目標在走那現在會拉糧食自理局往下拉最主要就是我們的所有的黃小玉的飼料為主的這些原物料都是進口的對大部分的進口都是這個部分拉下來的\n379508\t394588\t所以就是因為我們都依賴進口所以沒有給自給力不高那萬一有什麼環境時空背景的話讓我們進口進步來怎麼辦所以我們現在就是說我們找到糧食自給力下降是因為飼料的部分進口所以我們現在\n395649\t410089\t做了很多對地綠色給付還有雜糧轉做就是這個目的我們希望說這些雜糧的種子能夠拉高以後那自給率就會上升我們是朝這個方向來走好所以您這樣講的話那部長因為這個美國這個\n413854\t440832\t我們大部分都在美國進口這個黃小玉嘛對不對那因為黃小玉我們都依賴進口那美國這一次因為這個貿易的逆差要調高這個關稅到32%那現在雖然暫緩了90天但是要做一個談判的這個節奏在各部會的話在調整說怎麼去購買美國的那個產品那尤其是部長這邊有提到要增加對美國黃小玉的採購那請問部長\n443534\t455144\t黃小玉的採購的話這個雜糧的部分的話我們在對黃豆跟小麥跟玉米我們的自給率非常低非常低都是0點多而已尤其是這個在2016年到2023年的話我們看到黃豆的自給率只有0.18\n461909\t488023\t小麥的話0.35還有玉米的話才會多一點才2.98%那你看其他世界各國在鄰近我們這附近的話你看日本的話是38%他們的糧食供應是38%還有韓國的話是45%的自給率我們在這方面的話我們是不是有要提高它但是你又碰到說像美國你要提高這個黃小玉的擴大購買\n489264\t498560\t增加購買的話那你又要讓我們的農民要推廣他們對雜糧的這個轉作你特別提到的就是說一轉\n500772\t525618\t對於對於綠色環境給付的這個計畫一級二轉三加三這個部分那你要如何去讓農民能夠安心我種的這個黃小玉可以保障他的收購價格因為你看美國的部分的話他的黃小玉在品質上或者是他價格上都比較優厚啊那農民的話你這樣子的話農民更不敢去種這個雜糧的部分\n528019\t552386\t我要跟委員報告就是說就成如你剛才說的我們自己做的我們的自有力非常低所以進口跟我們自己種的它有一個平衡比在那邊以黃豆來講我們的黃豆最主要是實用可是我們進口用的黃豆最主要是炸油所以它有市場區隔那小麥的部分因為美國的小麥它的筋性是比較符合我們的一些飲用品質那台灣的\n554106\t573043\t麵粉小麥的筋性是比較適合做餅乾之類的或其他麵條之類的所以它也有市場區隔那同樣玉米也是一樣所以我們會用大量進口用大宗採購的方式是希望降低成本因為飼料是我們的畜牧產業很重要的成本之一所以我們透過\n574404\t591974\t大量的進口以後去降低成本能夠讓我們的續產業的飼料真的降低你要提醒你的就是你要記得自給率的問題不能完全靠進口我們剛剛提到說不管是環境或者是整個持空背景萬一進不來的時候\n592774\t615930\t我們可以有個自己的志氣力才能夠保障那現在你要農民轉做這個雜糧的話你要什麼誘因去保障它就是價格上的能夠保障收購讓他們才種得下去才能夠賣得出去這是最重要的部分嘛所以在這部分的話我希望你能夠做調整你們的政策你們的計畫都做出來了一轉二做三加三的話\n616570\t635070\t你都已經提出來了但是你現在又提個要擴大對美國的採購對農民他們會擔心我種下去到時候價格又降下來我賣不出去怎麼辦所以請你們要嚴格審查而且要保障農民他的權益有保障收購的制度好不好\n635370\t655588\t好 謝謝委員的提醒我們針對我們現在推動的一級二轉參加餐本身對於飼料對於玉米的部分種植的部分我們在續展會那邊有一個收購的機制在那邊我們也絕對不會因為進口量變多而影響到農民的權益這個絕對不會發生的我們一定會確保農民的生意\n655748\t671911\t不要一直都靠進口了 我知道 自給率要來提高提高自給率好不好 有一個平衡點那你那個10成整個你的40%的這個自給率的部分那糧食的自給率部分你要把這個10成跟整個規劃出來好不好 我們努力會來朝這個方向來做2030年可以嗎你現在訂2020年嘛現在給你10年時間達不到40%嗎我講坦白話可能2030年也達不到40%\n683019\t694629\t至少要提高我們會提高我們會朝這個目標所以我剛才說我會從品項來看有些品項是跟量產業有關的我們會盡量拉高把這個時程跟目標產項都把它訂出來把這表格送給美食\n","txt":"謝謝主席請陳部長陳部長喂好\n部長在這幾個月都有不斷傳出說比特犬有攻擊的事件尤其是3月份在台北就有比特犬惡毒的咬人的事情那在4月份的時候又屏東又出現狗咬狗比特犬去咬柴犬結果這個柴犬傷重而離世而這個比特犬我們經過調查之後的話它是未完成寵物登記或\n核絕育的這個情形那當然市主也因為動保法被裁罰了但是我們在2022年的3月1號我們也有要求比特犬是禁止飼養跟輸入的動物這農業部都已經做了但是現在發生了這個沒有登記完成的那有登記完成的目前造冊的有3974隻那沒有沒有\n登記跟決議的這個比特權 你們有什麼手 有什麼方式來做這個稽查\n我想這也是我們農業部的一個困擾就是說當我們就做禁止然後叫他們來登記的時候那一定有一些黑樹啦那這些黑樹一旦被抓到的話那等出事之後再罰就是了不是本末倒置了對 但是相對的我們一定會加強宣導透過地方政府去加強宣導那宣導的時候他不出來我們也沒辦法如果沒辦法 透過檢舉\n方式或是工具手段的嗎我們現在就是說可以透過現在一直發生這種工人事件 夭壽這種悲劇的情形你不要說沒辦法不是 我剛才講沒辦法就是說永遠在登記的時候 永遠有一些黑數那這些黑數 我們第一個就是要讓他宣導 讓他知道\n那他如果知道而不出來的時候那他一定會帶狗出來外面散步的時候你怎麼查然後透過沒有他散步的時候透過一些檢舉的方式通報的方式我們就可以去追蹤誰會跟你通報我想還是有一些人民看到民眾看到的時候都會來通報的部分他通報他怎麼知道這狗沒有植入晶片或者是沒有來登記\n他看到這比特權的部分如果說他沒有依照相關的規範去去做遷移的時候那相對的本身民眾就可以來通報通報的話我們地方的動保檢查人員就會去去查訪\n一定要去稽查 因為很多黑數像這次狗咬狗的情形就是黑數好不好那因為這個動保法我們已經你們農業部已經在去年的8月已經送到行政院到現在什麼時候要送到8月\n我們已經質詢好幾次了欸都是尋答沒有辦法處理就是因為沒有你們的版本我跟委員報告齁我剛才在報告的時候有講我們現在動不動修正在行政院已經審查完畢只在院會通過就可以送到行政院那我會盡快的跟行政院溝通能夠在下一次的院會排進去的時候五月就可以送進來你們每一次都回答我說年底就會送進來過了好幾個年了年底都沒有送進來沒有喔那個\n因為您當召委的時候有排過一次齁那那個時候我們也如期送到行政院那行政院因為還有很多法案被排審希望你們趕快催促啦好不好趕快催促那因為本席會這麼提的話就是因為我們在動保法裡面其中的20條的第二項裡面針對有攻擊性的這個寵物出入公共場所的時候我們要有防範的措施齁不管是成人陪伴或者有要求說可以的話就要簽審嘛\n有牽繩的方式的話 那之前部長回答說因為是各縣市各自處理的那我們希望統一的方式來處理那也希望說我們農業部要把這條牽繩的這部分把列入參考列入這個規範好不好 我們一定把它放進去一定要列入因為這個不同的犬隻的類型大小不一樣 如果飼主啊你如果說不當地飼養小狗或變\n對不對所以一定要好好的規範好不好那接下來要討論的就是說我們的糧食的自給率的下降這個糧食自給率我們看到我們在2011年的時候有針對於我們這個糧食供需這個年報裡面也有要求說希望我們的自給率可以達到40%\n但是逐年一直下降到現在剩下的30%那在2011年我們就訂說在2020年的話我們要達到40%現在還是沒有達到那部長在這方面的話我們可以如何去訂定我們的期程或時程能夠給這個自給率能夠提高好 謝謝委員的關心我第一個要說明的就是糧食自給率不等於糧食安全那糧食自給率它是一個進口出口之間的關係我如果減少出口\n減少出口減少進口的部分 增加出口的部分那你的意思是說現在30%是安全喔\n不是 我剛才說糧食自給率是一件事情它不是說糧食自給率低我們的糧食安全就低那要看糧食安全的品項我們在糧食安全的時候我們有針對主要的糧食那主要的糧食像稻米我們的自給率是百分之百我們蔬菜是百分之八十幾所以要看我們的糧食安全是要看我們的主食跟副食的部分可是你們既然訂出這個目標是要達到百分之四十嗎那你們有預估什麼時程可以達到百分之四十\n我個人很坦白講當年很早大概十幾年前就訂在40%那個是一個願景一個目標那我們就朝向這個目標在走那現在會拉糧食自理局往下拉最主要就是我們的所有的黃小玉的飼料為主的這些原物料都是進口的對大部分的進口都是這個部分拉下來的\n所以就是因為我們都依賴進口所以沒有給自給力不高那萬一有什麼環境時空背景的話讓我們進口進步來怎麼辦所以我們現在就是說我們找到糧食自給力下降是因為飼料的部分進口所以我們現在\n做了很多對地綠色給付還有雜糧轉做就是這個目的我們希望說這些雜糧的種子能夠拉高以後那自給率就會上升我們是朝這個方向來走好所以您這樣講的話那部長因為這個美國這個\n我們大部分都在美國進口這個黃小玉嘛對不對那因為黃小玉我們都依賴進口那美國這一次因為這個貿易的逆差要調高這個關稅到32%那現在雖然暫緩了90天但是要做一個談判的這個節奏在各部會的話在調整說怎麼去購買美國的那個產品那尤其是部長這邊有提到要增加對美國黃小玉的採購那請問部長\n黃小玉的採購的話這個雜糧的部分的話我們在對黃豆跟小麥跟玉米我們的自給率非常低非常低都是0點多而已尤其是這個在2016年到2023年的話我們看到黃豆的自給率只有0.18\n小麥的話0.35還有玉米的話才會多一點才2.98%那你看其他世界各國在鄰近我們這附近的話你看日本的話是38%他們的糧食供應是38%還有韓國的話是45%的自給率我們在這方面的話我們是不是有要提高它但是你又碰到說像美國你要提高這個黃小玉的擴大購買\n增加購買的話那你又要讓我們的農民要推廣他們對雜糧的這個轉作你特別提到的就是說一轉\n對於對於綠色環境給付的這個計畫一級二轉三加三這個部分那你要如何去讓農民能夠安心我種的這個黃小玉可以保障他的收購價格因為你看美國的部分的話他的黃小玉在品質上或者是他價格上都比較優厚啊那農民的話你這樣子的話農民更不敢去種這個雜糧的部分\n我要跟委員報告就是說就成如你剛才說的我們自己做的我們的自有力非常低所以進口跟我們自己種的它有一個平衡比在那邊以黃豆來講我們的黃豆最主要是實用可是我們進口用的黃豆最主要是炸油所以它有市場區隔那小麥的部分因為美國的小麥它的筋性是比較符合我們的一些飲用品質那台灣的\n麵粉小麥的筋性是比較適合做餅乾之類的或其他麵條之類的所以它也有市場區隔那同樣玉米也是一樣所以我們會用大量進口用大宗採購的方式是希望降低成本因為飼料是我們的畜牧產業很重要的成本之一所以我們透過\n大量的進口以後去降低成本能夠讓我們的續產業的飼料真的降低你要提醒你的就是你要記得自給率的問題不能完全靠進口我們剛剛提到說不管是環境或者是整個持空背景萬一進不來的時候\n我們可以有個自己的志氣力才能夠保障那現在你要農民轉做這個雜糧的話你要什麼誘因去保障它就是價格上的能夠保障收購讓他們才種得下去才能夠賣得出去這是最重要的部分嘛所以在這部分的話我希望你能夠做調整你們的政策你們的計畫都做出來了一轉二做三加三的話\n你都已經提出來了但是你現在又提個要擴大對美國的採購對農民他們會擔心我種下去到時候價格又降下來我賣不出去怎麼辦所以請你們要嚴格審查而且要保障農民他的權益有保障收購的制度好不好\n好 謝謝委員的提醒我們針對我們現在推動的一級二轉參加餐本身對於飼料對於玉米的部分種植的部分我們在續展會那邊有一個收購的機制在那邊我們也絕對不會因為進口量變多而影響到農民的權益這個絕對不會發生的我們一定會確保農民的生意\n不要一直都靠進口了 我知道 自給率要來提高提高自給率好不好 有一個平衡點那你那個10成整個你的40%的這個自給率的部分那糧食的自給率部分你要把這個10成跟整個規劃出來好不好 我們努力會來朝這個方向來做2030年可以嗎你現在訂2020年嘛現在給你10年時間達不到40%嗎我講坦白話可能2030年也達不到40%\n至少要提高我們會提高我們會朝這個目標所以我剛才說我會從品項來看有些品項是跟量產業有關的我們會盡量拉高把這個時程跟目標產項都把它訂出來把這表格送給美食\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.371 --> 00:06.612\n謝謝主席請陳部長陳部長喂好\n\n00:15.748 --> 00:42.210\n部長在這幾個月都有不斷傳出說比特犬有攻擊的事件尤其是3月份在台北就有比特犬惡毒的咬人的事情那在4月份的時候又屏東又出現狗咬狗比特犬去咬柴犬結果這個柴犬傷重而離世而這個比特犬我們經過調查之後的話它是未完成寵物登記或\n\n00:43.470 --> 01:08.418\n核絕育的這個情形那當然市主也因為動保法被裁罰了但是我們在2022年的3月1號我們也有要求比特犬是禁止飼養跟輸入的動物這農業部都已經做了但是現在發生了這個沒有登記完成的那有登記完成的目前造冊的有3974隻那沒有沒有\n\n01:12.918 --> 01:18.747\n登記跟決議的這個比特權你們有什麼手有什麼方式來做這個稽查\n\n01:20.148 --> 01:42.759\n我想這也是我們農業部的一個困擾就是說當我們就做禁止然後叫他們來登記的時候那一定有一些黑樹啦那這些黑樹一旦被抓到的話那等出事之後再罰就是了不是本末倒置了對但是相對的我們一定會加強宣導透過地方政府去加強宣導那宣導的時候他不出來我們也沒辦法如果沒辦法透過檢舉\n\n01:44.140 --> 02:02.614\n方式或是工具手段的嗎我們現在就是說可以透過現在一直發生這種工人事件夭壽這種悲劇的情形你不要說沒辦法不是我剛才講沒辦法就是說永遠在登記的時候永遠有一些黑數那這些黑數我們第一個就是要讓他宣導讓他知道\n\n02:03.815 --> 02:25.529\n那他如果知道而不出來的時候那他一定會帶狗出來外面散步的時候你怎麼查然後透過沒有他散步的時候透過一些檢舉的方式通報的方式我們就可以去追蹤誰會跟你通報我想還是有一些人民看到民眾看到的時候都會來通報的部分他通報他怎麼知道這狗沒有植入晶片或者是沒有來登記\n\n02:27.677 --> 02:40.400\n他看到這比特權的部分如果說他沒有依照相關的規範去去做遷移的時候那相對的本身民眾就可以來通報通報的話我們地方的動保檢查人員就會去去查訪\n\n02:41.311 --> 02:58.616\n一定要去稽查因為很多黑數像這次狗咬狗的情形就是黑數好不好那因為這個動保法我們已經你們農業部已經在去年的8月已經送到行政院到現在什麼時候要送到8月\n\n02:59.963 --> 03:27.710\n我們已經質詢好幾次了欸都是尋答沒有辦法處理就是因為沒有你們的版本我跟委員報告齁我剛才在報告的時候有講我們現在動不動修正在行政院已經審查完畢只在院會通過就可以送到行政院那我會盡快的跟行政院溝通能夠在下一次的院會排進去的時候五月就可以送進來你們每一次都回答我說年底就會送進來過了好幾個年了年底都沒有送進來沒有喔那個\n\n03:29.348 --> 03:57.146\n因為您當召委的時候有排過一次齁那那個時候我們也如期送到行政院那行政院因為還有很多法案被排審希望你們趕快催促啦好不好趕快催促那因為本席會這麼提的話就是因為我們在動保法裡面其中的20條的第二項裡面針對有攻擊性的這個寵物出入公共場所的時候我們要有防範的措施齁不管是成人陪伴或者有要求說可以的話就要簽審嘛\n\n03:58.667 --> 04:26.602\n有牽繩的方式的話那之前部長回答說因為是各縣市各自處理的那我們希望統一的方式來處理那也希望說我們農業部要把這條牽繩的這部分把列入參考列入這個規範好不好我們一定把它放進去一定要列入因為這個不同的犬隻的類型大小不一樣如果飼主啊你如果說不當地飼養小狗或變\n\n04:27.783 --> 04:49.419\n對不對所以一定要好好的規範好不好那接下來要討論的就是說我們的糧食的自給率的下降這個糧食自給率我們看到我們在2011年的時候有針對於我們這個糧食供需這個年報裡面也有要求說希望我們的自給率可以達到40%\n\n04:51.340 --> 05:19.962\n但是逐年一直下降到現在剩下的30%那在2011年我們就訂說在2020年的話我們要達到40%現在還是沒有達到那部長在這方面的話我們可以如何去訂定我們的期程或時程能夠給這個自給率能夠提高好謝謝委員的關心我第一個要說明的就是糧食自給率不等於糧食安全那糧食自給率它是一個進口出口之間的關係我如果減少出口\n\n05:21.707 --> 05:26.602\n減少出口減少進口的部分增加出口的部分那你的意思是說現在30%是安全喔\n\n05:27.520 --> 05:54.282\n不是我剛才說糧食自給率是一件事情它不是說糧食自給率低我們的糧食安全就低那要看糧食安全的品項我們在糧食安全的時候我們有針對主要的糧食那主要的糧食像稻米我們的自給率是百分之百我們蔬菜是百分之八十幾所以要看我們的糧食安全是要看我們的主食跟副食的部分可是你們既然訂出這個目標是要達到百分之四十嗎那你們有預估什麼時程可以達到百分之四十\n\n05:54.662 --> 06:17.227\n我個人很坦白講當年很早大概十幾年前就訂在40%那個是一個願景一個目標那我們就朝向這個目標在走那現在會拉糧食自理局往下拉最主要就是我們的所有的黃小玉的飼料為主的這些原物料都是進口的對大部分的進口都是這個部分拉下來的\n\n06:19.508 --> 06:34.588\n所以就是因為我們都依賴進口所以沒有給自給力不高那萬一有什麼環境時空背景的話讓我們進口進步來怎麼辦所以我們現在就是說我們找到糧食自給力下降是因為飼料的部分進口所以我們現在\n\n06:35.649 --> 06:50.089\n做了很多對地綠色給付還有雜糧轉做就是這個目的我們希望說這些雜糧的種子能夠拉高以後那自給率就會上升我們是朝這個方向來走好所以您這樣講的話那部長因為這個美國這個\n\n06:53.854 --> 07:20.832\n我們大部分都在美國進口這個黃小玉嘛對不對那因為黃小玉我們都依賴進口那美國這一次因為這個貿易的逆差要調高這個關稅到32%那現在雖然暫緩了90天但是要做一個談判的這個節奏在各部會的話在調整說怎麼去購買美國的那個產品那尤其是部長這邊有提到要增加對美國黃小玉的採購那請問部長\n\n07:23.534 --> 07:35.144\n黃小玉的採購的話這個雜糧的部分的話我們在對黃豆跟小麥跟玉米我們的自給率非常低非常低都是0點多而已尤其是這個在2016年到2023年的話我們看到黃豆的自給率只有0.18\n\n07:41.909 --> 08:08.023\n小麥的話0.35還有玉米的話才會多一點才2.98%那你看其他世界各國在鄰近我們這附近的話你看日本的話是38%他們的糧食供應是38%還有韓國的話是45%的自給率我們在這方面的話我們是不是有要提高它但是你又碰到說像美國你要提高這個黃小玉的擴大購買\n\n08:09.264 --> 08:18.560\n增加購買的話那你又要讓我們的農民要推廣他們對雜糧的這個轉作你特別提到的就是說一轉\n\n08:20.772 --> 08:45.618\n對於對於綠色環境給付的這個計畫一級二轉三加三這個部分那你要如何去讓農民能夠安心我種的這個黃小玉可以保障他的收購價格因為你看美國的部分的話他的黃小玉在品質上或者是他價格上都比較優厚啊那農民的話你這樣子的話農民更不敢去種這個雜糧的部分\n\n08:48.019 --> 09:12.386\n我要跟委員報告就是說就成如你剛才說的我們自己做的我們的自有力非常低所以進口跟我們自己種的它有一個平衡比在那邊以黃豆來講我們的黃豆最主要是實用可是我們進口用的黃豆最主要是炸油所以它有市場區隔那小麥的部分因為美國的小麥它的筋性是比較符合我們的一些飲用品質那台灣的\n\n09:14.106 --> 09:33.043\n麵粉小麥的筋性是比較適合做餅乾之類的或其他麵條之類的所以它也有市場區隔那同樣玉米也是一樣所以我們會用大量進口用大宗採購的方式是希望降低成本因為飼料是我們的畜牧產業很重要的成本之一所以我們透過\n\n09:34.404 --> 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我剛才說糧食自給率是一件事情它不是說糧食自給率低我們的糧食安全就低那要看糧食安全的品項我們在糧食安全的時候我們有針對主要的糧食那主要的糧食像稻米我們的自給率是百分之百我們蔬菜是百分之八十幾所以要看我們的糧食安全是要看我們的主食跟副食的部分可是你們既然訂出這個目標是要達到百分之四十嗎那你們有預估什麼時程可以達到百分之四十"},{"start":354.662,"end":377.227,"text":"我個人很坦白講當年很早大概十幾年前就訂在40%那個是一個願景一個目標那我們就朝向這個目標在走那現在會拉糧食自理局往下拉最主要就是我們的所有的黃小玉的飼料為主的這些原物料都是進口的對大部分的進口都是這個部分拉下來的"},{"start":379.508,"end":394.588,"text":"所以就是因為我們都依賴進口所以沒有給自給力不高那萬一有什麼環境時空背景的話讓我們進口進步來怎麼辦所以我們現在就是說我們找到糧食自給力下降是因為飼料的部分進口所以我們現在"},{"start":395.649,"end":410.089,"text":"做了很多對地綠色給付還有雜糧轉做就是這個目的我們希望說這些雜糧的種子能夠拉高以後那自給率就會上升我們是朝這個方向來走好所以您這樣講的話那部長因為這個美國這個"},{"start":413.854,"end":440.832,"text":"我們大部分都在美國進口這個黃小玉嘛對不對那因為黃小玉我們都依賴進口那美國這一次因為這個貿易的逆差要調高這個關稅到32%那現在雖然暫緩了90天但是要做一個談判的這個節奏在各部會的話在調整說怎麼去購買美國的那個產品那尤其是部長這邊有提到要增加對美國黃小玉的採購那請問部長"},{"start":443.534,"end":455.144,"text":"黃小玉的採購的話這個雜糧的部分的話我們在對黃豆跟小麥跟玉米我們的自給率非常低非常低都是0點多而已尤其是這個在2016年到2023年的話我們看到黃豆的自給率只有0.18"},{"start":461.909,"end":488.023,"text":"小麥的話0.35還有玉米的話才會多一點才2.98%那你看其他世界各國在鄰近我們這附近的話你看日本的話是38%他們的糧食供應是38%還有韓國的話是45%的自給率我們在這方面的話我們是不是有要提高它但是你又碰到說像美國你要提高這個黃小玉的擴大購買"},{"start":489.264,"end":498.56,"text":"增加購買的話那你又要讓我們的農民要推廣他們對雜糧的這個轉作你特別提到的就是說一轉"},{"start":500.772,"end":525.618,"text":"對於對於綠色環境給付的這個計畫一級二轉三加三這個部分那你要如何去讓農民能夠安心我種的這個黃小玉可以保障他的收購價格因為你看美國的部分的話他的黃小玉在品質上或者是他價格上都比較優厚啊那農民的話你這樣子的話農民更不敢去種這個雜糧的部分"},{"start":528.019,"end":552.386,"text":"我要跟委員報告就是說就成如你剛才說的我們自己做的我們的自有力非常低所以進口跟我們自己種的它有一個平衡比在那邊以黃豆來講我們的黃豆最主要是實用可是我們進口用的黃豆最主要是炸油所以它有市場區隔那小麥的部分因為美國的小麥它的筋性是比較符合我們的一些飲用品質那台灣的"},{"start":554.106,"end":573.043,"text":"麵粉小麥的筋性是比較適合做餅乾之類的或其他麵條之類的所以它也有市場區隔那同樣玉米也是一樣所以我們會用大量進口用大宗採購的方式是希望降低成本因為飼料是我們的畜牧產業很重要的成本之一所以我們透過"},{"start":574.404,"end":591.974,"text":"大量的進口以後去降低成本能夠讓我們的續產業的飼料真的降低你要提醒你的就是你要記得自給率的問題不能完全靠進口我們剛剛提到說不管是環境或者是整個持空背景萬一進不來的時候"},{"start":592.774,"end":615.93,"text":"我們可以有個自己的志氣力才能夠保障那現在你要農民轉做這個雜糧的話你要什麼誘因去保障它就是價格上的能夠保障收購讓他們才種得下去才能夠賣得出去這是最重要的部分嘛所以在這部分的話我希望你能夠做調整你們的政策你們的計畫都做出來了一轉二做三加三的話"},{"start":616.57,"end":635.07,"text":"你都已經提出來了但是你現在又提個要擴大對美國的採購對農民他們會擔心我種下去到時候價格又降下來我賣不出去怎麼辦所以請你們要嚴格審查而且要保障農民他的權益有保障收購的制度好不好"},{"start":635.37,"end":655.588,"text":"好 謝謝委員的提醒我們針對我們現在推動的一級二轉參加餐本身對於飼料對於玉米的部分種植的部分我們在續展會那邊有一個收購的機制在那邊我們也絕對不會因為進口量變多而影響到農民的權益這個絕對不會發生的我們一定會確保農民的生意"},{"start":655.748,"end":671.911,"text":"不要一直都靠進口了 我知道 自給率要來提高提高自給率好不好 有一個平衡點那你那個10成整個你的40%的這個自給率的部分那糧食的自給率部分你要把這個10成跟整個規劃出來好不好 我們努力會來朝這個方向來做2030年可以嗎你現在訂2020年嘛現在給你10年時間達不到40%嗎我講坦白話可能2030年也達不到40%"},{"start":683.019,"end":694.629,"text":"至少要提高我們會提高我們會朝這個目標所以我剛才說我會從品項來看有些品項是跟量產業有關的我們會盡量拉高把這個時程跟目標產項都把它訂出來把這表格送給美食"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":255,"blocks":[["呂委員玉玲：（10時6分）謝謝主席，請陳部長。"],["主席：請陳部長。"],["陳部長駿季：委員好。"],["呂委員玉玲：部長，這幾月不斷傳出比特犬攻擊人的事件，尤其是3月在臺北就有比特犬二度咬人的事情；4月的時候屏東又出現狗咬狗，比特犬去咬柴犬，結果這個柴犬傷重離世。這個比特犬經調查，牠有未完成寵物登記和絕育的情形，當然飼主也因為動保法被裁罰了。但是我們在2022年3月1日要求比特犬是禁止飼養跟輸入的動物，這些農業部都已經做了，但是現在發生了沒有登記完成的。有登記完成目前已造冊的有3,974隻，對於沒有登記跟絕育的比特犬，你們有什麼手段、方式做稽查？"],["陳部長駿季：我想這也是我們農業部的一個困擾，當我們禁止，叫他們來登記的時候，一定有一些黑數，這些黑數一旦被抓到……"],["呂委員玉玲：是等出事的時候再罰就是了？"],["陳部長駿季：不是。"],["呂委員玉玲：這樣不就本末倒置嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：相對地，我們一定會透過地方政府加強宣導，宣導的時候他不出來，我們也沒辦法，如果……"],["呂委員玉玲：沒辦法？"],["陳部長駿季：如果有人檢舉……"],["呂委員玉玲：沒有什麼方式或工具、手段嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：我們現在就是，可以透過通報……"],["呂委員玉玲：像現在一直發生這種攻擊人的事件、狗咬狗這種悲劇的情形，你不要說沒辦法。"],["陳部長駿季：不是，我剛剛講沒辦法的意思是，在登記的時候永遠有一些黑數，對於這些黑數，我們第一個就是要宣導讓他知道，他如果知道而不出來的時候……他一定會帶狗出來外面散步……"],["呂委員玉玲：你怎麼查？"],["陳部長駿季：沒有，散步的時候透過一些檢舉的方式、通報的方式，我們就可以去追蹤。"],["呂委員玉玲：誰會向你通報？"],["陳部長駿季：我想還是會有一些民眾，看到的時候都會來通報。"],["呂委員玉玲：他要通報的時候，怎麼知道這隻狗沒有植入晶片或是沒有來登記？"],["陳部長駿季：他看到比特犬時，如果他沒有依照相關的規範去牽引，相對地，民眾本身就可以來通報，通報之後我們地方的動保檢查人員就會去查訪了。"],["呂委員玉玲：一定要去稽查。"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["呂委員玉玲：因為有很多黑數，像這次狗咬狗的情形就是黑數，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["呂委員玉玲：因為這部動保法，你們農業部已經在去年8月送到行政院，到現在什麼時候要送到立法院？我們已經質詢好幾次了，都是詢答而沒有辦法處理，就是因為沒有你們的版本。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我剛才在報告的時候也講，現在動保法的修正，行政院已經審查完畢，只待院會通過就可以送到立法院，我會儘快地跟行政院溝通，能夠在下一次的院會排進去，5月就可以送進來。"],["呂委員玉玲：你們每一次都回答我，年底就會送進來，過了好幾個年了，年底都沒有送進來。"],["陳部長駿季：沒有，呂委員，您當召委的時候有排過一次，那個時候我們也如期送到行政院，行政院因為還有很多法案在排審。"],["呂委員玉玲：希望你們趕快催促。"],["陳部長駿季：我們會催。"],["呂委員玉玲：趕快催促。本席之所以這麼提，就是因為我們在動保法裡面，其中的第二十條第二項，針對有攻擊性的寵物出入公共場所的時候，我們要有防範的措施，不管是成人陪伴，或是有要求可以的話就是用牽繩嘛！"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["呂委員玉玲：有牽繩的方式。"],["陳部長駿季：還有戴口罩。"],["呂委員玉玲：之前部長的回答是，各縣市各自處理，我們希望有統一的方式可處理，也希望農業部要把這一條，「牽繩」的部分列入規範好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：我們一定會把它放進去。"],["呂委員玉玲：好，一定要列入，因為不同犬隻的類型、大小不一樣，如果飼主不當飼養，小狗會變惡犬，對不對？所以一定要好好規範，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["呂委員玉玲：接下來要討論的是我們糧食自給率的下降，關於糧食自給率，2011年的糧食供需年報裡面要求，希望我們的自給率可以達到40%，但是卻逐年一直下降，到現在只剩下30%。在2011年的時候，我們也規定在2020年要達到40%，現在還是沒有達到，部長在這方面要如何訂定期程或時程把自給率提高？"],["陳部長駿季：謝謝委員的關心，我第一個要說明的是，糧食自給率不等於糧食安全，糧食自給率是一個進口、出口之間的關係，我如果減少進口、增加出口糧食自給率……"],["呂委員玉玲：你的意思是，現在的30%是安全的？"],["陳部長駿季：不是，我剛剛說的是，糧食自給率是一件事情，並不是糧食自給率低，我們的糧食安全就低，那要看糧食安全的品項，關於糧食安全，我們有針對主要的糧食，像稻米，我們的自給率就是100%，我們的蔬菜是百分之八十幾，所以我們的糧食安全要看我們的主食跟副食的部分。"],["呂委員玉玲：可是你們既然定出要達到40%這個目標，你們預估什麼時程可以達到40%。"],["陳部長駿季：我個人很坦白講，早在十幾年前就定在40%。"],["呂委員玉玲：對。"],["陳部長駿季：那是一個願景、一個目標，我們是朝向這個目標在走，現在糧食自給率會往下拉，最主要是因為我們所有的黃、小、玉，以飼料為主的原物料都是進口的。"],["呂委員玉玲：對，大部分都是進口的啊！"],["陳部長駿季：都是這個部分在拉下來的。"],["呂委員玉玲：就是因為我們都依賴進口，所以自給率不高，萬一有什麼環境、時空背景的話，讓我們的進口進不來怎麼辦？"],["陳部長駿季：所以我們現在就是……我們找到糧食自給率下降是因為，飼料的部分是進口的，所以我們現在做了很多對地綠色給付，還有雜糧轉作就是這個目的，就是希望這些雜糧的種植能夠拉高，自給率就會上升，我們是朝這個方向來走。"],["呂委員玉玲：好，所以你這樣講的話，部長，我們大部分都是從美國進口黃、小、玉，對不對？"],["陳部長駿季：對。"],["呂委員玉玲：因為我們對黃、小、玉都是依賴進口，美國這一次因為貿易的逆差要把關稅調高到32%，現在雖然暫緩了90天，但是要有一個談判的節奏，各部會再去調整要怎麼購買美國的產品。尤其是部長在這邊有提到要增加對美國黃、小、玉的採購，請問部長，關於黃、小、玉這些雜糧的採購，我們黃豆、小麥、玉米的自給率非常低，都只有百分之零點多而已，尤其在2016年到2023年黃豆的自給率只有0.18%，小麥是0.35%，玉米有多一點，不過也才2.98%，那你看其他世界各國，像鄰近我們的日本，他們的糧食供應是38%，韓國的自給率是45%，那我們是不是要提高這方面的自給率？但是現在又碰到要增加購買美國的黃、小、玉，所以要對我們的農民推廣轉作雜糧，你有特別提到這個綠色環境給付計畫的「1集、2轉、3加3」策略，那你要如何讓農民能夠安心，對他們種的黃、小、玉保障一定的收購價格？你看像美國的黃、小、玉在品質上或者是價格上都比較優厚，那這樣子農民就更不敢去種雜糧了。"],["陳部長駿季：我要跟委員報告，就誠如你剛才說的，我們的自有率非常低，所以進口跟我們自己種的有一個平衡比在那邊，以黃豆來講，我們的黃豆最主要是食用，可是我們進口的黃豆最主要是用來榨油，所以它有市場區隔；在小麥的部分，因為美國小麥的筋性是比較符合我們的一些食用品質，那臺灣小麥的筋性是比較適合做餅乾或麵條之類的，所以它也有市場區隔；那玉米也是一樣。我們大量進口、用大宗採購的方式就是希望降低成本，因為飼料是我們畜牧產業很重要的成本之一，所以我們透過大量的進口去降低成本，讓我們畜產業的飼料成本降低。"],["呂委員玉玲：部長，本席要提醒你的就是你要記得自給率的問題。"],["陳部長駿季：是，我了解。"],["呂委員玉玲：你不能完全靠進口。"],["陳部長駿季：我們絕對不會。"],["呂委員玉玲：我剛剛提到不管是環境或整個時空背景，萬一真的進不來，我們自己也有一定的自給率，這樣才能夠有保障。"],["陳部長駿季：是，了解。"],["呂委員玉玲：那現在你要農民轉作雜糧，你要提出什麼誘因？要如何去保障他？就是要能夠有一定的收購價格，這樣他們才種得下去，才能夠賣得出去，這是最重要的部分，所以我希望你對這個部分能夠做調整，你們的政策、你們的計畫都做出來了，都已經提出「1集、2轉、3加3」了，但是你現在又要擴大對美國的採購，農民就會擔心如果種下去，到時候價格又降下來，賣不出去要怎麼辦？所以請你們要嚴格審查，而且要保障農民的權益，有保證收購的制度，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：好，謝謝委員的提醒，我們現在推動的「1集、2轉、3加3」對於玉米種植的部分，畜產會有一個收購的機制，我們絕對不會因為進口量變多而影響到農民的權益，這個絕對不會發生，我們一定會確保農民的收益。"],["呂委員玉玲：我們不要一直都靠進口。"],["陳部長駿季：我知道，所以我剛剛說有一個平衡點。"],["呂委員玉玲：你們要提高自給率，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：了解。"],["呂委員玉玲：好，那你糧食自給率要達40%的目標，你要把時程跟整個規劃提出來，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：是，我們會努力朝這個方向來做。"],["呂委員玉玲：2030年可以達到嗎？你原來是訂2020年，現在給你10年的時間，達不到40%嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：我講坦白話，可能到2030年也達不到40%。"],["呂委員玉玲：但是至少要提高，那你就調整趴數。"],["陳部長駿季：我們會提高，我們會朝這個目標。"],["呂委員玉玲：好，那你要定出來。"],["陳部長駿季：我剛才說我們會從品項來看，有些品項是跟糧食安全有關的，我們會儘量拉高。"],["呂委員玉玲：要把整個時程、目標、產項都訂出來。"],["陳部長駿季：是，我們會。"],["呂委員玉玲：把這個表格送給本席，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：好，謝謝。"],["主席：我們先作以下宣告：在楊瓊瓔委員質詢結束後休息5分鐘。","現在請鄭正鈐委員做詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":242,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-11","speakers":["謝衣鳯","洪孟楷","蘇巧慧","郭昱晴","羅廷瑋","李坤城","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","林岱樺","鄭天財Sra 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等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案；十、本院委員李坤城等\n22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十一、本院委員廖先翔等19人擬具「動物保護法\n部分條文修正草案」案；十二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；\n十三、本院委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十四、本院委員郭昱晴\n等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十五、本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「動物保護\n法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案；十六、本院委員陳亭妃等18人擬具「動物保\n護法第五條、第二十條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案；十七、本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「動\n物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十八、本院委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正\n草案」案；十九、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二條及第五條條文修正草案」案；二\n十、本院委員游顥等23人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案；二十一、本院委\n員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案；二十二、本院委員葉元之等17人擬\n具「動物保護法增訂第十四條之三條文草案」案；二十三、本院委員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保\n護法第二十五條條文修正草案」案；二十四、本院委員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保護法第二十五\n條之二條文修正草案」案；二十五、本院委員蘇巧慧等 17 人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草\n案」案；二十六、本院委員吳沛憶等17 人擬具「動物保護法第二十二條之四條文修正草案」案\n（詢答）","agenda_id":"1144501_00004"}}}