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謝謝院長您也願意努力其實本席這邊希望說故宮可以全面的盤點因為其實2022年盤點我們有盤點過聽到這個問題也預諾說會改善但是到現在其實你們改善的這個比例並不高當然院長您說的是因為之前有一些契約在那\n524407\t542272\t不能及時的所有的契約都做修正的話那也希望說像你們的業務報告裡面有提到說你們有跟經濟部產發署有這個推薦MIT的台灣精選廠商合作所以既然有這樣的方向也可以有這樣的做法的話我會希望說我們可以正視這個狀況並且逐年改善可以嗎是好 謝謝院長 謝謝\n","txt":"受保委員質詢縣主席請消院長請院長備質詢 謝謝\n院長早 那其實一開始呢 還是要延續一下剛才林行委員非常關心的關於我們故宮的預算的部分那其實根據故宮這邊提供的資料呢 大陸地區的旅費刪減了80%那國外旅費刪減了178萬多 國內旅費也刪減了81萬多\n那其中呢,國外的旅費部分呢,我想剛才院長您有講到,也影響到了說,今年度跟捷克國家博物館以及要跟法國的卡布朗利龍的展覽,相關的這個都還是會有影響。\n那目前你們遇到的這些相關的困境你們剛剛院長說了你們會趕快去尋求其他的協助那針對大陸地區的旅費的部分剛剛您有講了就是說像大陸今年的這個考古的這個考古瓷器學會2025年這個年會可能你們也沒有辦法參加了那相關的考察你們也不去了沒辦法去\n那其實這些相關的預算被這樣的惡意的刪減影響是真的是非常大啦其實這不單是漠視我們文化交流也是阻擋我們台灣的文化走進世界因為其中的這個媒體政策跟業務宣導費被刪減了60%這對這個業務宣導費這個被刪減的部分相關於我們故宮這邊的相關的宣傳設計這個部分對我們故宮的影響大概有哪些院長這邊是說明一下\n當然是理會的部分的話就是我剛講的就是考察的部分的話我們就先擱置還有公文在我桌上同仁要出去洽展借展的我沒有辦法批不下去那另外的話就是國外的交流展覽的部分基本上來講的話我們會全力然後就是維持原來的一個一個一個運作方式不會因為經會的被刪減就是產生落差這個部分的話\n跟委員會這邊保證就是說跟國人保證就是說我們一定會讓這個文路的布卸展押印什麼都進行都正常的進行那當然經費的部分的話就是說其實我們有一些社會贊助的一個方案在進行那相關的宣傳跟設計的部分受到影響的有哪些\n宣傳受到影響的話是一定的那現在的話我們找了那個觀光署然後找了外交部那外交部他們現在也同意有一個歐洲文化藝術年的計畫希望透過整合借力使力的方式然後讓各個\n歐洲的住管單位來共同進行宣傳那就是請其他的單位來支援一下這樣子那其實像這樣子慢慢的到現在已經是四月底快五月了這個二一刪減預算的這些影響意義的都浮現了那其實我們教文的委員都非常的憂心就是說對於未來我們相關的業務的執行因為其實我知道院長跟我們相關的這些同仁都一直想辦法在克服困難\n那因為執行業務是你們的職責所以你們會很盡力的很努力的想盡各種辦法讓你們原來的業務可以推展可以執行但不能說成被煽動預算對你們執行業務沒有影響你們一樣在做其實你們這個背後所背負的壓力\n不是沒有影響 不是沒有影響我們盡量把那個影響控制下來對 所以我現在就是讓院長您講因為我有聽到其他的委員有人說三點的預算 動的節約預算你們一樣在執行啊這個跟少鄉市沒有什麼關係其實是有影響的因為你們已經很努力的就像剛剛您講的在克服各種困難 尋找各種的資源那相關的業務的品質跟成效也一定會有影響\n尤其像我很想知道說我們國內旅費被刪減的這部分我們關於我們這些同仁在往返這個南北縣區的時候如果像這樣子預算被刪減你們會要用怎樣的方式來補救\n根文報告就是基本上來講的話我們都是抑壓硬跟不卸展那個絕對會有影響那會有影響的話就是國內呢 國內國內的話就是南北院區你們的同仁要往返嗎\n我們如果可以適性不用南北往返的話南院的同仁竟然說適性可是那個押印布卸展押印那一定是要專業人員我們就把那個經費控制在一個合理的範圍之內盡量盡量去處理那當然就是說我們還是有\n同樣的講法我們還是有在尋求社會支援包括那個什麼那個什麼北港朝天宮 新港奉天宮我們都去求過了就希望說他們可以給我們政府支持院長您辛苦了\n好那關於這個部分呢我想您這樣的說明呢我們的民眾也了解到說你們真的是非常非常的用心喔在這樣子被無底的煽動預算之下你們還是要努力的維持你們相關業務的這個品質好那接下來我要再跟院長您討論一下關於我故宮文創商品是不是應該要全部台灣製造這個問題喔\n在2022年的時候教育委員會就有委員關心過故宮有中國製造的文創商品那當時的院長吳敏察院長就允諾說會透過契約來約束確保故宮的這個文創商品可以全部是MIT但是本席的辦公室在故宮的這個網站上這個商城裡面瀏覽的時候有看到有三個商品其中一個是迷你百事就是百財如意還有個迷你百事是迷你四方博古價文物組以及迷你百事是迷你\n人滿博古價文物組這個產地都標明是中國那針對這個部分本期想要請教院長你覺得這樣合理嗎當然委員提醒之後我們現在增加了二十幾家的MIT廠商那當然就是說如果要把那個錄製的產品完全斷絕的話會影響到整個\n文創商品的品項然後跟他的那個禮約那我們是用合約的方式去處理就是說如果你用MIT的那個產品的話那個合約就是說我們的分潤錢一斤的話就會降低就是讓廠商用台灣的獲利獲利會比較高去彌補那個大陸的低價商品院長其實這個\n有一個重點我不知道您有沒有了解到我問這個問題的重點在哪裡就是說遊客到我國的故宮遊玩的時候他們會希望會願意買到中國製造的紀念品嗎我來台灣玩我來這個地方玩我就希望買到本地的文創品製造品結果他一翻發現是中國製造\n他對外國的遊客其實包括我們自己在地的遊客也會覺得說為什麼我現在買這樣的東西都不是我們自己台灣自己做的這個部分點出來的問題在這裡那我不知道這樣子您覺得說這樣這個問題嚴不嚴重\n這個不只是故宮的那個文創商品實際上市面上的一般的物件的話也都呈現這樣的一個情況所以故宮現在我們想的就是有一個MIT的專區可是完全要因為有些廠商的禮業之前就已經訂定了如果說現在要\n整個都改的話可能有很多合約上面的問題都很難去處理那我們只能跟委員承諾就是說我們會一定加強MIT的廠商的合作然後另外的話就是就是提供一個專區讓大家或是優惠讓大家可以來購買MIT的產品\n好 謝謝院長您也願意努力其實本席這邊希望說故宮可以全面的盤點因為其實2022年盤點我們有盤點過聽到這個問題也預諾說會改善但是到現在其實你們改善的這個比例並不高當然院長您說的是因為之前有一些契約在那\n不能及時的所有的契約都做修正的話那也希望說像你們的業務報告裡面有提到說你們有跟經濟部產發署有這個推薦MIT的台灣精選廠商合作所以既然有這樣的方向也可以有這樣的做法的話我會希望說我們可以正視這個狀況並且逐年改善可以嗎是好 謝謝院長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:06.123\n受保委員質詢縣主席請消院長請院長備質詢謝謝\n\n00:12.691 --> 00:24.641\n院長早那其實一開始呢還是要延續一下剛才林行委員非常關心的關於我們故宮的預算的部分那其實根據故宮這邊提供的資料呢大陸地區的旅費刪減了80%那國外旅費刪減了178萬多國內旅費也刪減了81萬多\n\n00:31.767 --> 00:46.619\n那其中呢,國外的旅費部分呢,我想剛才院長您有講到,也影響到了說,今年度跟捷克國家博物館以及要跟法國的卡布朗利龍的展覽,相關的這個都還是會有影響。\n\n00:49.201 --> 01:12.461\n那目前你們遇到的這些相關的困境你們剛剛院長說了你們會趕快去尋求其他的協助那針對大陸地區的旅費的部分剛剛您有講了就是說像大陸今年的這個考古的這個考古瓷器學會2025年這個年會可能你們也沒有辦法參加了那相關的考察你們也不去了沒辦法去\n\n01:13.422 --> 01:30.529\n那其實這些相關的預算被這樣的惡意的刪減影響是真的是非常大啦其實這不單是漠視我們文化交流也是阻擋我們台灣的文化走進世界因為其中的這個媒體政策跟業務宣導費被刪減了60%這對這個業務宣導費這個被刪減的部分相關於我們故宮這邊的相關的宣傳設計這個部分對我們故宮的影響大概有哪些院長這邊是說明一下\n\n01:45.276 --> 02:12.783\n當然是理會的部分的話就是我剛講的就是考察的部分的話我們就先擱置還有公文在我桌上同仁要出去洽展借展的我沒有辦法批不下去那另外的話就是國外的交流展覽的部分基本上來講的話我們會全力然後就是維持原來的一個一個一個運作方式不會因為經會的被刪減就是產生落差這個部分的話\n\n02:13.383 --> 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