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00:02:17,948\n我跟你們報告這要分不同的情況那基本上如果在餐廳有展演的行為的話那是一定要的那有一些特定的你如果在餐廳裡面特定的時間特定的時段然後讓寵物在那邊做一些活動那這個就需要做登記但是有一些家裡有養貓或養狗牠可能就放在那邊那那個東西就不需要申請\n\n6\n00:02:19,429 --> 00:02:36,235\n所以說你在這個報告當中你有特別提到說目前台灣有95家的一個那個動物展演場所裡面有所謂的寵物餐廳或動物餐廳在裡面嗎?裡面有部分的動物餐廳是在裡面的那我想說要特別提到這狀態就是說因為針對整個龍出宮傳染病這樣子的一個問題當中的時候\n\n7\n00:02:44,858 --> 00:03:14,438\n我想我們也希望針對這樣子的一個寵物餐廳因為確實就像部長剛剛提到的因為有很多熱愛寵物的店主他們很多時候就把家裡的寵物帶到工作場合去那可能不一定是我們所謂的一個展演的場所可是我們希望這部分能夠加以去規範因為這不只是對於整個動物的福利來說對於我們的一個公衛的問題也是一個很重要的部分\n\n8\n00:03:15,298 --> 00:03:39,278\n所以我們需要說整個農業部可以針對這部分的時候去進行進一步的一個去管理這部分有沒有問題我想謝謝委員的一個關心也提醒那我想後續就算他不需要許可的時候那我們也會去宣導去落實他的寵物的登記第一個登記登記以後他後面的這些疫苗的注射有沒有也會\n\n9\n00:03:40,439 --> 00:04:08,944\n接到我們的後面的管理的系統裡面去所以這個部分我們會去更關心這個人序共通的傳染病OK那我想說這是一個很好的狀態不過你剛剛特別提到說寵物可能針對貓狗的部分只是現在動物餐廳其實它很多元所以我接下來我想請教一下就是說部長就是說我們現在對於網路上面在販售活體寵物這個部分的時候有沒有特別的一個規範\n\n10\n00:04:10,037 --> 00:04:29,856\n如果你在網路販售寵物的時候你必須要有特種登記證要在你的網路的廣告欄裡面要有登記證的字號那因為所有的特種的寵物做寵物營業就要有申請那申請水果就有登記證你一定要有那個登記證你如果沒有那個登記證你就是違法\n\n11\n00:04:30,407 --> 00:04:54,489\n部長沒有問題因為你特別提到特種寵物我們對於特寵的部分其實是有專法在管理的那對於異寵的部分請問目前有沒有這樣的一個管理的準備很抱歉的目前沒有雖然目前沒有那你知道是不是現在我們在異寵的部分你知道在網路上面販售的種類有多少樣你知道嗎多少物種你知道\n\n12\n00:04:55,498 --> 00:05:25,178\n一定很難這具體數字大概都很少可是跟部長特別報告有一兩千種的一個異寵的狀態在網路上面販售這是媒體這邊報導出來的一個狀態所以表示說我們特寵其實有專法可是對異寵的部分其實完全沒有一個法可以去管的時候所以我這邊因為今天是我們動保法的一個聲明我想針對這個部分我們農業部這邊會不會針對異寵的部分也會有準備要加以去規範去管理\n\n13\n00:05:26,078 --> 00:05:46,146\n我跟委員報告我們要處理異寵的這些這些管理的時候登記的時候第一個我們就會要進行寵物的分級分類的管理那分級分類有些是禁止的有一些在特定情況是許可的有些是一般性的那一般性的就可以回到特寵這邊來管理然後對於禁止的部分我們就不會讓他去做飼養\n\n14\n00:05:46,766 --> 00:06:13,428\n你說一般性的會回到特寵這邊來管理當你可以飼養的時候我們就會逐漸滾動到我們的特種這個業者裡面去管理針對這個部分部長因為針對這個部分可不可以有更具體的一個內容因為坦白說我最近碰到了很多的一個動保團體包括說他們防止虐待的一個動物團體這樣的協會那也碰到了很多異寵相關的業者\n\n15\n00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:39,662\n他們很多的一個協會一起來澄清這件事情他們有幾個訴求第一個希望說我們對於整個異寵的部分也能夠有更具體的一個法規的一個管理讓他們自己有一個很具體的一個遵循的一個方向那麼對於整個網路上面的一個異寵的一個販售的時候我們希望\n\n16\n00:06:40,362 --> 00:06:58,819\n能夠嚴加禁止因為現在很多異寵在網路上販售打廣告因為特寵可以那異寵在他們打廣告之後的時候呢很多的一個運輸的狀態很多的小動物都死在這運輸當中的過程因為語法沒有管\n\n17\n00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:22,984\n所以大家就隨便做都產生很多的一個亂象出來所以針對這個異蟲的部分的時候是不是可以請部長針對因為我知道異蟲的種類太多了像你剛剛也講到了一個有很多異蟲的狀態也分很多種可是我在想說我們還是必須要給他們有一個比較好的規範讓他們能夠有一個遵循的方向\n\n18\n00:07:23,504 --> 00:07:30,759\n那針對這部分的時候可不可以請農業部這邊加加油那針對異蟲的部分我們有更好的一個管制的一個規範出來\n\n19\n00:07:32,263 --> 00:07:57,664\n謝謝委員的提醒那您剛才講的就是說你如果有即時的合法登記證在網路購買那我們會有規範跟指引去要求它的運輸的條件我覺得這個蠻重要的那第二個部分針對異蟲的部分那我們現在持續在做溝通你也知道在異蟲裡面禁止飼養的部分前一陣子到的非常多的一些不同的聲音那我們持續在做溝通我想沒有\n\n20\n00:07:59,165 --> 00:08:27,532\n不能溝通的啦所以我想在這個部分如果沒有達到共識之前我們不會貿然的去做這個分級跟分類也就是大家有共識的情況之類的部長那我在想說因為針對這部分我們今天聊到這部分的時候就是針對整個網路的平台業者這個部分的時候我們也希望能夠強加管理跟要求如果在網路上面有一些不當的內容的時候我們希望政府有權力然後能夠要求這些平台業者下架\n\n21\n00:08:28,172 --> 00:08:48,357\n這個部分可不可以要求我們在這次修法就有納入了那這樣很好那另外一個部分就針對於比方說台灣人其實很有愛心可是呢也會發生很多虐待動物的一個行為發生所以針對這部分我們也希望能夠加強加重罰則所以這部分我們也都在做有在修法裡面\n\n22\n00:08:49,417 --> 00:09:17,267\n那最後一個部分我想針對有關於遊蕩犬的一個部分因為那個我看到就是部長你報告當中的時候針對遊蕩犬你也花了很多的一個篇幅那目前的時候我因為這個月的時候在新竹南寮地區的時候又發生遊蕩犬傷人的事件那我們農業部對於遊蕩犬傷人的統計有沒有一個全面性的一個去做一個\n\n23\n00:09:19,629 --> 00:09:38,651\n統計的一個狀態我想第一個我們能夠掌握現在遊蕩犬的數量比上次統計上次統計是15.9萬現在已經到了11.4萬所以遊蕩犬的數量是在下降但是至於說咬人的部分我們現在我手邊現在目前並沒有這個數據\n\n24\n00:09:39,972 --> 00:10:02,986\nOK部長這就是我要特別講的狀態因為我們每兩年其實政府這邊會針對遊蕩犬的數量去做一個調查每兩年會調查一次那我發現其實教育部跟交通部他們都對於遊蕩犬跟人產生的一些衝突都有一些統計可是我們農業部主管反而沒有那我看你報告這邊有講到說\n\n25\n00:10:05,787 --> 00:10:29,856\n經統計媒體的報導的數量是減低的可是因為媒體報導不一定是每個案件都會出來所以我們希望能夠有官方的一個統計針對這部分然後能夠來好好來解決遊蕩犬相關的問題因為我發現你對遊蕩犬這邊你確實有些琢磨那我們也希望就是你這邊有提到說我們下一個階段要再增加就是各地方的一個收容量的問題\n\n26\n00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:50,713\n那我們也希望好好的去做那對於林菩薩這邊也能夠真正去落實好不好好謝謝委員提醒我想針對這個遊盪犬攻擊人的事件我想我們會有重新做一個有系統的調查這樣的話才能夠掌握這樣的一個案件跟數據OK好謝謝部長好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9161\t32568\t謝謝主席我想請問農業部陳部長陳部長部長好非常感謝主席今天特別安排動保法的一個修法的審查那我想說先請教一下部長你知道全球第一個動物餐廳寵物餐廳在什麼地方嗎\n34184\t55678\t全球我不是很清楚因為這問題很小可是因為全球第一個寵物餐廳其實在台灣在台北士林它充分反映了台灣人就是很有愛心然後也很有創意的一個狀態那在寵物餐廳的時候其實讓很多動物它可以陪伴人一起在\n56318\t84895\t吃飯喝茶享受這個部分所以這個部分我覺得某個部分也是台灣很有創意的一個表現那事實上現在其實有很多寵物餐廳不只是貓狗部分還包括有兔子、貓頭鷹、山羊等等很多種不同的寵物餐廳不過因為從那個2019年COVID-19開始的時候那國際上對於這樣的一個所謂的動物餐廳其實也開始有一些的一個反省跟調整像韓國他們在2023年就直接\n85675\t111590\t就是開始禁止這樣的一個動物餐廳那他們考量點是因為人畜共通傳染病的問題那英國他們對於所謂的一個貓咪餐廳他們也在重新再做一個檢討那我想說請教一下部長在這個部分就是說我們目前台灣的這個所謂的動物餐廳這些動物餐廳他們需不需要去申請動物展演場所\n112889\t137948\t我跟你們報告這要分不同的情況那基本上如果在餐廳有展演的行為的話那是一定要的那有一些特定的你如果在餐廳裡面特定的時間特定的時段然後讓寵物在那邊做一些活動那這個就需要做登記但是有一些家裡有養貓或養狗牠可能就放在那邊那那個東西就不需要申請\n139429\t156235\t所以說你在這個報告當中你有特別提到說目前台灣有95家的一個那個動物展演場所裡面有所謂的寵物餐廳或動物餐廳在裡面嗎?裡面有部分的動物餐廳是在裡面的那我想說要特別提到這狀態就是說因為針對整個龍出宮傳染病這樣子的一個問題當中的時候\n164858\t194438\t我想我們也希望針對這樣子的一個寵物餐廳因為確實就像部長剛剛提到的因為有很多熱愛寵物的店主他們很多時候就把家裡的寵物帶到工作場合去那可能不一定是我們所謂的一個展演的場所可是我們希望這部分能夠加以去規範因為這不只是對於整個動物的福利來說對於我們的一個公衛的問題也是一個很重要的部分\n195298\t219278\t所以我們需要說整個農業部可以針對這部分的時候去進行進一步的一個去管理這部分有沒有問題我想謝謝委員的一個關心也提醒那我想後續就算他不需要許可的時候那我們也會去宣導去落實他的寵物的登記第一個登記登記以後他後面的這些疫苗的注射有沒有也會\n220439\t248944\t接到我們的後面的管理的系統裡面去所以這個部分我們會去更關心這個人序共通的傳染病OK那我想說這是一個很好的狀態不過你剛剛特別提到說寵物可能針對貓狗的部分只是現在動物餐廳其實它很多元所以我接下來我想請教一下就是說部長就是說我們現在對於網路上面在販售活體寵物這個部分的時候有沒有特別的一個規範\n250037\t269856\t如果你在網路販售寵物的時候你必須要有特種登記證要在你的網路的廣告欄裡面要有登記證的字號那因為所有的特種的寵物做寵物營業就要有申請那申請水果就有登記證你一定要有那個登記證你如果沒有那個登記證你就是違法\n270407\t294489\t部長沒有問題 因為你特別提到特種寵物我們對於特寵的部分其實是有專法在管理的那對於異寵的部分 請問目前有沒有這樣的一個管理的準備很抱歉的 目前沒有 雖然目前沒有那你知道是不是現在我們在異寵的部分你知道在網路上面販售的種類有多少樣你知道嗎 多少物種你知道\n295498\t325178\t一定很難 這具體數字大概都很少可是跟部長特別報告有一兩千種的一個異寵的狀態在網路上面販售這是媒體這邊報導出來的一個狀態所以表示說我們特寵其實有專法可是對異寵的部分其實完全沒有一個法可以去管的時候所以我這邊 因為今天是我們動保法的一個聲明我想針對這個部分我們農業部這邊會不會針對異寵的部分也會有準備要加以去規範去管理\n326078\t346146\t我跟委員報告我們要處理異寵的這些這些管理的時候登記的時候第一個我們就會要進行寵物的分級分類的管理那分級分類有些是禁止的有一些在特定情況是許可的有些是一般性的那一般性的就可以回到特寵這邊來管理然後對於禁止的部分我們就不會讓他去做飼養\n346766\t373428\t你說一般性的會回到特寵這邊來管理當你可以飼養的時候我們就會逐漸滾動到我們的特種這個業者裡面去管理針對這個部分部長因為針對這個部分可不可以有更具體的一個內容因為坦白說我最近碰到了很多的一個動保團體包括說他們防止虐待的一個動物團體這樣的協會那也碰到了很多異寵相關的業者\n376810\t399662\t他們很多的一個協會一起來澄清這件事情他們有幾個訴求第一個希望說我們對於整個異寵的部分也能夠有更具體的一個法規的一個管理讓他們自己有一個很具體的一個遵循的一個方向那麼對於整個網路上面的一個異寵的一個販售的時候我們希望\n400362\t418819\t能夠嚴加禁止因為現在很多異寵在網路上販售打廣告因為特寵可以那異寵在他們打廣告之後的時候呢很多的一個運輸的狀態很多的小動物都死在這運輸當中的過程因為語法沒有管\n419600\t442984\t所以大家就隨便做都產生很多的一個亂象出來所以針對這個異蟲的部分的時候是不是可以請部長針對因為我知道異蟲的種類太多了像你剛剛也講到了一個有很多異蟲的狀態也分很多種可是我在想說我們還是必須要給他們有一個比較好的規範讓他們能夠有一個遵循的方向\n443504\t450759\t那針對這部分的時候可不可以請農業部這邊加加油那針對異蟲的部分我們有更好的一個管制的一個規範出來\n452263\t477664\t謝謝委員的提醒那您剛才講的就是說你如果有即時的合法登記證在網路購買那我們會有規範跟指引去要求它的運輸的條件我覺得這個蠻重要的那第二個部分針對異蟲的部分那我們現在持續在做溝通你也知道在異蟲裡面禁止飼養的部分前一陣子到的非常多的一些不同的聲音那我們持續在做溝通我想沒有\n479165\t507532\t不能溝通的啦所以我想在這個部分如果沒有達到共識之前我們不會貿然的去做這個分級跟分類也就是大家有共識的情況之類的部長那我在想說因為針對這部分我們今天聊到這部分的時候就是針對整個網路的平台業者這個部分的時候我們也希望能夠強加管理跟要求如果在網路上面有一些不當的內容的時候我們希望政府有權力然後能夠要求這些平台業者下架\n508172\t528357\t這個部分可不可以要求我們在這次修法就有納入了那這樣很好那另外一個部分就針對於比方說台灣人其實很有愛心可是呢也會發生很多虐待動物的一個行為發生所以針對這部分我們也希望能夠加強加重罰則所以這部分我們也都在做有在修法裡面\n529417\t557267\t那最後一個部分我想針對有關於遊蕩犬的一個部分因為那個我看到就是部長你報告當中的時候針對遊蕩犬你也花了很多的一個篇幅那目前的時候我因為這個月的時候在新竹南寮地區的時候又發生遊蕩犬傷人的事件那我們農業部對於遊蕩犬傷人的統計有沒有一個全面性的一個去做一個\n559629\t578651\t統計的一個狀態我想第一個我們能夠掌握現在遊蕩犬的數量比上次統計上次統計是15.9萬現在已經到了11.4萬所以遊蕩犬的數量是在下降但是至於說咬人的部分我們現在我手邊現在目前並沒有這個數據\n579972\t602986\tOK 部長這就是我要特別講的狀態因為我們每兩年其實政府這邊會針對遊蕩犬的數量去做一個調查每兩年會調查一次那我發現其實教育部跟交通部他們都對於遊蕩犬跟人產生的一些衝突都有一些統計可是我們農業部主管反而沒有那我看你報告這邊有講到說\n605787\t629856\t經統計媒體的報導的數量是減低的可是因為媒體報導不一定是每個案件都會出來所以我們希望能夠有官方的一個統計針對這部分然後能夠來好好來解決遊蕩犬相關的問題因為我發現你對遊蕩犬這邊你確實有些琢磨那我們也希望就是你這邊有提到說我們下一個階段要再增加就是各地方的一個收容量的問題\n631256\t650713\t那我們也希望好好的去做那對於林菩薩這邊也能夠真正去落實好不好好 謝謝委員提醒我想針對這個遊盪犬攻擊人的事件我想我們會有重新做一個有系統的調查這樣的話才能夠掌握這樣的一個案件跟數據OK 好 謝謝部長好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我想請問農業部陳部長陳部長部長好非常感謝主席今天特別安排動保法的一個修法的審查那我想說先請教一下部長你知道全球第一個動物餐廳寵物餐廳在什麼地方嗎\n全球我不是很清楚因為這問題很小可是因為全球第一個寵物餐廳其實在台灣在台北士林它充分反映了台灣人就是很有愛心然後也很有創意的一個狀態那在寵物餐廳的時候其實讓很多動物它可以陪伴人一起在\n吃飯喝茶享受這個部分所以這個部分我覺得某個部分也是台灣很有創意的一個表現那事實上現在其實有很多寵物餐廳不只是貓狗部分還包括有兔子、貓頭鷹、山羊等等很多種不同的寵物餐廳不過因為從那個2019年COVID-19開始的時候那國際上對於這樣的一個所謂的動物餐廳其實也開始有一些的一個反省跟調整像韓國他們在2023年就直接\n就是開始禁止這樣的一個動物餐廳那他們考量點是因為人畜共通傳染病的問題那英國他們對於所謂的一個貓咪餐廳他們也在重新再做一個檢討那我想說請教一下部長在這個部分就是說我們目前台灣的這個所謂的動物餐廳這些動物餐廳他們需不需要去申請動物展演場所\n我跟你們報告這要分不同的情況那基本上如果在餐廳有展演的行為的話那是一定要的那有一些特定的你如果在餐廳裡面特定的時間特定的時段然後讓寵物在那邊做一些活動那這個就需要做登記但是有一些家裡有養貓或養狗牠可能就放在那邊那那個東西就不需要申請\n所以說你在這個報告當中你有特別提到說目前台灣有95家的一個那個動物展演場所裡面有所謂的寵物餐廳或動物餐廳在裡面嗎?裡面有部分的動物餐廳是在裡面的那我想說要特別提到這狀態就是說因為針對整個龍出宮傳染病這樣子的一個問題當中的時候\n我想我們也希望針對這樣子的一個寵物餐廳因為確實就像部長剛剛提到的因為有很多熱愛寵物的店主他們很多時候就把家裡的寵物帶到工作場合去那可能不一定是我們所謂的一個展演的場所可是我們希望這部分能夠加以去規範因為這不只是對於整個動物的福利來說對於我們的一個公衛的問題也是一個很重要的部分\n所以我們需要說整個農業部可以針對這部分的時候去進行進一步的一個去管理這部分有沒有問題我想謝謝委員的一個關心也提醒那我想後續就算他不需要許可的時候那我們也會去宣導去落實他的寵物的登記第一個登記登記以後他後面的這些疫苗的注射有沒有也會\n接到我們的後面的管理的系統裡面去所以這個部分我們會去更關心這個人序共通的傳染病OK那我想說這是一個很好的狀態不過你剛剛特別提到說寵物可能針對貓狗的部分只是現在動物餐廳其實它很多元所以我接下來我想請教一下就是說部長就是說我們現在對於網路上面在販售活體寵物這個部分的時候有沒有特別的一個規範\n如果你在網路販售寵物的時候你必須要有特種登記證要在你的網路的廣告欄裡面要有登記證的字號那因為所有的特種的寵物做寵物營業就要有申請那申請水果就有登記證你一定要有那個登記證你如果沒有那個登記證你就是違法\n部長沒有問題 因為你特別提到特種寵物我們對於特寵的部分其實是有專法在管理的那對於異寵的部分 請問目前有沒有這樣的一個管理的準備很抱歉的 目前沒有 雖然目前沒有那你知道是不是現在我們在異寵的部分你知道在網路上面販售的種類有多少樣你知道嗎 多少物種你知道\n一定很難 這具體數字大概都很少可是跟部長特別報告有一兩千種的一個異寵的狀態在網路上面販售這是媒體這邊報導出來的一個狀態所以表示說我們特寵其實有專法可是對異寵的部分其實完全沒有一個法可以去管的時候所以我這邊 因為今天是我們動保法的一個聲明我想針對這個部分我們農業部這邊會不會針對異寵的部分也會有準備要加以去規範去管理\n我跟委員報告我們要處理異寵的這些這些管理的時候登記的時候第一個我們就會要進行寵物的分級分類的管理那分級分類有些是禁止的有一些在特定情況是許可的有些是一般性的那一般性的就可以回到特寵這邊來管理然後對於禁止的部分我們就不會讓他去做飼養\n你說一般性的會回到特寵這邊來管理當你可以飼養的時候我們就會逐漸滾動到我們的特種這個業者裡面去管理針對這個部分部長因為針對這個部分可不可以有更具體的一個內容因為坦白說我最近碰到了很多的一個動保團體包括說他們防止虐待的一個動物團體這樣的協會那也碰到了很多異寵相關的業者\n他們很多的一個協會一起來澄清這件事情他們有幾個訴求第一個希望說我們對於整個異寵的部分也能夠有更具體的一個法規的一個管理讓他們自己有一個很具體的一個遵循的一個方向那麼對於整個網路上面的一個異寵的一個販售的時候我們希望\n能夠嚴加禁止因為現在很多異寵在網路上販售打廣告因為特寵可以那異寵在他們打廣告之後的時候呢很多的一個運輸的狀態很多的小動物都死在這運輸當中的過程因為語法沒有管\n所以大家就隨便做都產生很多的一個亂象出來所以針對這個異蟲的部分的時候是不是可以請部長針對因為我知道異蟲的種類太多了像你剛剛也講到了一個有很多異蟲的狀態也分很多種可是我在想說我們還是必須要給他們有一個比較好的規範讓他們能夠有一個遵循的方向\n那針對這部分的時候可不可以請農業部這邊加加油那針對異蟲的部分我們有更好的一個管制的一個規範出來\n謝謝委員的提醒那您剛才講的就是說你如果有即時的合法登記證在網路購買那我們會有規範跟指引去要求它的運輸的條件我覺得這個蠻重要的那第二個部分針對異蟲的部分那我們現在持續在做溝通你也知道在異蟲裡面禁止飼養的部分前一陣子到的非常多的一些不同的聲音那我們持續在做溝通我想沒有\n不能溝通的啦所以我想在這個部分如果沒有達到共識之前我們不會貿然的去做這個分級跟分類也就是大家有共識的情況之類的部長那我在想說因為針對這部分我們今天聊到這部分的時候就是針對整個網路的平台業者這個部分的時候我們也希望能夠強加管理跟要求如果在網路上面有一些不當的內容的時候我們希望政府有權力然後能夠要求這些平台業者下架\n這個部分可不可以要求我們在這次修法就有納入了那這樣很好那另外一個部分就針對於比方說台灣人其實很有愛心可是呢也會發生很多虐待動物的一個行為發生所以針對這部分我們也希望能夠加強加重罰則所以這部分我們也都在做有在修法裡面\n那最後一個部分我想針對有關於遊蕩犬的一個部分因為那個我看到就是部長你報告當中的時候針對遊蕩犬你也花了很多的一個篇幅那目前的時候我因為這個月的時候在新竹南寮地區的時候又發生遊蕩犬傷人的事件那我們農業部對於遊蕩犬傷人的統計有沒有一個全面性的一個去做一個\n統計的一個狀態我想第一個我們能夠掌握現在遊蕩犬的數量比上次統計上次統計是15.9萬現在已經到了11.4萬所以遊蕩犬的數量是在下降但是至於說咬人的部分我們現在我手邊現在目前並沒有這個數據\nOK 部長這就是我要特別講的狀態因為我們每兩年其實政府這邊會針對遊蕩犬的數量去做一個調查每兩年會調查一次那我發現其實教育部跟交通部他們都對於遊蕩犬跟人產生的一些衝突都有一些統計可是我們農業部主管反而沒有那我看你報告這邊有講到說\n經統計媒體的報導的數量是減低的可是因為媒體報導不一定是每個案件都會出來所以我們希望能夠有官方的一個統計針對這部分然後能夠來好好來解決遊蕩犬相關的問題因為我發現你對遊蕩犬這邊你確實有些琢磨那我們也希望就是你這邊有提到說我們下一個階段要再增加就是各地方的一個收容量的問題\n那我們也希望好好的去做那對於林菩薩這邊也能夠真正去落實好不好好 謝謝委員提醒我想針對這個遊盪犬攻擊人的事件我想我們會有重新做一個有系統的調查這樣的話才能夠掌握這樣的一個案件跟數據OK 好 謝謝部長好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.161 --> 00:32.568\n謝謝主席我想請問農業部陳部長陳部長部長好非常感謝主席今天特別安排動保法的一個修法的審查那我想說先請教一下部長你知道全球第一個動物餐廳寵物餐廳在什麼地方嗎\n\n00:34.184 --> 00:55.678\n全球我不是很清楚因為這問題很小可是因為全球第一個寵物餐廳其實在台灣在台北士林它充分反映了台灣人就是很有愛心然後也很有創意的一個狀態那在寵物餐廳的時候其實讓很多動物它可以陪伴人一起在\n\n00:56.318 --> 01:24.895\n吃飯喝茶享受這個部分所以這個部分我覺得某個部分也是台灣很有創意的一個表現那事實上現在其實有很多寵物餐廳不只是貓狗部分還包括有兔子、貓頭鷹、山羊等等很多種不同的寵物餐廳不過因為從那個2019年COVID-19開始的時候那國際上對於這樣的一個所謂的動物餐廳其實也開始有一些的一個反省跟調整像韓國他們在2023年就直接\n\n01:25.675 --> 01:51.590\n就是開始禁止這樣的一個動物餐廳那他們考量點是因為人畜共通傳染病的問題那英國他們對於所謂的一個貓咪餐廳他們也在重新再做一個檢討那我想說請教一下部長在這個部分就是說我們目前台灣的這個所謂的動物餐廳這些動物餐廳他們需不需要去申請動物展演場所\n\n01:52.889 --> 02:17.948\n我跟你們報告這要分不同的情況那基本上如果在餐廳有展演的行為的話那是一定要的那有一些特定的你如果在餐廳裡面特定的時間特定的時段然後讓寵物在那邊做一些活動那這個就需要做登記但是有一些家裡有養貓或養狗牠可能就放在那邊那那個東西就不需要申請\n\n02:19.429 --> 02:36.235\n所以說你在這個報告當中你有特別提到說目前台灣有95家的一個那個動物展演場所裡面有所謂的寵物餐廳或動物餐廳在裡面嗎?裡面有部分的動物餐廳是在裡面的那我想說要特別提到這狀態就是說因為針對整個龍出宮傳染病這樣子的一個問題當中的時候\n\n02:44.858 --> 03:14.438\n我想我們也希望針對這樣子的一個寵物餐廳因為確實就像部長剛剛提到的因為有很多熱愛寵物的店主他們很多時候就把家裡的寵物帶到工作場合去那可能不一定是我們所謂的一個展演的場所可是我們希望這部分能夠加以去規範因為這不只是對於整個動物的福利來說對於我們的一個公衛的問題也是一個很重要的部分\n\n03:15.298 --> 03:39.278\n所以我們需要說整個農業部可以針對這部分的時候去進行進一步的一個去管理這部分有沒有問題我想謝謝委員的一個關心也提醒那我想後續就算他不需要許可的時候那我們也會去宣導去落實他的寵物的登記第一個登記登記以後他後面的這些疫苗的注射有沒有也會\n\n03:40.439 --> 04:08.944\n接到我們的後面的管理的系統裡面去所以這個部分我們會去更關心這個人序共通的傳染病OK那我想說這是一個很好的狀態不過你剛剛特別提到說寵物可能針對貓狗的部分只是現在動物餐廳其實它很多元所以我接下來我想請教一下就是說部長就是說我們現在對於網路上面在販售活體寵物這個部分的時候有沒有特別的一個規範\n\n04:10.037 --> 04:29.856\n如果你在網路販售寵物的時候你必須要有特種登記證要在你的網路的廣告欄裡面要有登記證的字號那因為所有的特種的寵物做寵物營業就要有申請那申請水果就有登記證你一定要有那個登記證你如果沒有那個登記證你就是違法\n\n04:30.407 --> 04:54.489\n部長沒有問題因為你特別提到特種寵物我們對於特寵的部分其實是有專法在管理的那對於異寵的部分請問目前有沒有這樣的一個管理的準備很抱歉的目前沒有雖然目前沒有那你知道是不是現在我們在異寵的部分你知道在網路上面販售的種類有多少樣你知道嗎多少物種你知道\n\n04:55.498 --> 05:25.178\n一定很難這具體數字大概都很少可是跟部長特別報告有一兩千種的一個異寵的狀態在網路上面販售這是媒體這邊報導出來的一個狀態所以表示說我們特寵其實有專法可是對異寵的部分其實完全沒有一個法可以去管的時候所以我這邊因為今天是我們動保法的一個聲明我想針對這個部分我們農業部這邊會不會針對異寵的部分也會有準備要加以去規範去管理\n\n05:26.078 --> 05:46.146\n我跟委員報告我們要處理異寵的這些這些管理的時候登記的時候第一個我們就會要進行寵物的分級分類的管理那分級分類有些是禁止的有一些在特定情況是許可的有些是一般性的那一般性的就可以回到特寵這邊來管理然後對於禁止的部分我們就不會讓他去做飼養\n\n05:46.766 --> 06:13.428\n你說一般性的會回到特寵這邊來管理當你可以飼養的時候我們就會逐漸滾動到我們的特種這個業者裡面去管理針對這個部分部長因為針對這個部分可不可以有更具體的一個內容因為坦白說我最近碰到了很多的一個動保團體包括說他們防止虐待的一個動物團體這樣的協會那也碰到了很多異寵相關的業者\n\n06:16.810 --> 06:39.662\n他們很多的一個協會一起來澄清這件事情他們有幾個訴求第一個希望說我們對於整個異寵的部分也能夠有更具體的一個法規的一個管理讓他們自己有一個很具體的一個遵循的一個方向那麼對於整個網路上面的一個異寵的一個販售的時候我們希望\n\n06:40.362 --> 06:58.819\n能夠嚴加禁止因為現在很多異寵在網路上販售打廣告因為特寵可以那異寵在他們打廣告之後的時候呢很多的一個運輸的狀態很多的小動物都死在這運輸當中的過程因為語法沒有管\n\n06:59.600 --> 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等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案；十、本院委員李坤城等\n22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十一、本院委員廖先翔等19人擬具「動物保護法\n部分條文修正草案」案；十二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；\n十三、本院委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十四、本院委員郭昱晴\n等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十五、本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「動物保護\n法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案；十六、本院委員陳亭妃等18人擬具「動物保\n護法第五條、第二十條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案；十七、本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「動\n物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十八、本院委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正\n草案」案；十九、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二條及第五條條文修正草案」案；二\n十、本院委員游顥等23人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案；二十一、本院委\n員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案；二十二、本院委員葉元之等17人擬\n具「動物保護法增訂第十四條之三條文草案」案；二十三、本院委員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保\n護法第二十五條條文修正草案」案；二十四、本院委員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保護法第二十五\n條之二條文修正草案」案；二十五、本院委員蘇巧慧等 17 人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草\n案」案；二十六、本院委員吳沛憶等17 人擬具「動物保護法第二十二條之四條文修正草案」案\n（詢答）","agenda_id":"1144501_00004"}}}