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00:02:17,527\n那其實我要跟部長提醒一下其實不只是2022年討論到要設置月台門與否在2017年其實台鐵在社會大眾因為每年都發生很多的這種衰落鐵軌的這樣一個事件\n\n7\n00:02:18,388 --> 00:02:37,041\n所以說社會大眾就有在討論要不要設月台門那當時我記得是要設置在百福站百福站就是在七堵區他有一個百福站是否要設置這樣的一個月台門但是當時因為車種複雜他的車寬車距車門的車寬車距不一樣以及月台的這個寬距也不一樣還有相關技術的問題系統整合的問題所以就這個計畫就延宕下來\n\n8\n00:02:48,448 --> 00:03:07,853\n那現在設置這樣的一個越台南門的議題最主要是屢屢都發生很多的這樣那個跌落落軌的事件不管是台鐵或是高鐵高鐵最近就發生了三件這樣一個落軌的事件其實不只是最近的這些件數\n\n9\n00:03:09,033 --> 00:03:28,800\n最主要的我看這個雙鐵台鐵高鐵每年平均的落軌事件都在10件以上我們看到台鐵的2022到2024以及高鐵的2022到2024的落軌事件都超過10件以上其實高鐵更多因為計算\n\n10\n00:03:30,811 --> 00:03:52,800\n申報上來的這個建樹計算的基礎不一樣台鐵是有跌落軌道有受傷與否或者是啊造成車輛的延誤有沒有但是只要跌落軌道他們就通報就作為計算基礎高鐵沒有啊高鐵只有啊\n\n11\n00:03:53,939 --> 00:04:19,109\n造成列車的延誤啊才會列入這個計算是不是這樣來高鐵鄭董事長講一下委員說的是的我們有報告給鐵道局的是有列車延誤五分鐘以上的這事件我們才會通報所以跌落受傷了就沒有計算為什麼我知道呢因為我處理過一個服務案件民眾在桃園站他\n\n12\n00:04:20,771 --> 00:04:45,836\n下電梯手扶梯要去搭高鐵他不慎跌落軌道受傷雖然高鐵有做後續的處理但是就沒有列入這樣一個跌落軌道的一個計算所以我要說的就是說我們必須要更嚴謹的態度來處理落軌的這種狀況申報要確實而且落軌的事件是非常的多落軌的事件有看到行動不方便的朋友\n\n13\n00:04:46,536 --> 00:05:02,436\n或者是長者或者是兒童或者是身體不舒服的旅客或者是因為旅客因為擁擠推擠或者是個人生命選擇的這樣的一個狀況所以啊這個都必須去做相關的所以說\n\n14\n00:05:03,530 --> 00:05:32,421\n部長你認為這種月台門的設置是有必要性嗎報告委員必要性我們要看第一剛剛委員有提到是擁擠的部分那第二個就是說針對安全的部分弱軌的次數比較多的那些車站代表說它擁擠的程度可能是相對高我們會優先來處理那我所知道的是高鐵是不是有計畫未來我們盡量每一個車站都要有做月台門的設置高鐵在2024年的9月就已經正式宣布要全面的來裝設月台門\n\n15\n00:05:33,121 --> 00:05:53,596\n而且是以板橋跟新竹因為新竹風很大那板橋因為旅客也眾多他們要以這兩個站來做優先他們是要全線都要坐越他們是不是啊鄭董事長說明一下是的各位報告我們確實整個12站都已經發包那尤其在今年的1月已經正式開工了\n\n16\n00:05:54,096 --> 00:06:17,709\n那目前的進度我們準備在三年內就是117年年中的時候整個12個月台的這個月台們全部可以做完那目前我們已經今年裡面應該可以完成這個Polotype的這個測試完成然後我們首先就會剛才委員所提到從新竹跟板橋先做那這應該在明年就可以做了在2024年9月\n\n17\n00:06:18,889 --> 00:06:37,146\n高鐵就正式宣佈要全線去做了紐約宣佈其實在2024年同年的年底12月在左營站就發生了旅客不幸落軌身亡的這樣的事故其實這個月台門設置其實是有它的必要性好那現在民眾會說\n\n18\n00:06:39,348 --> 00:06:52,765\n設置月台的月台門在安全性的提升是有幫助的現在民眾更質疑的是說為什麼300公尺的四座就要花了一億五千萬\n\n19\n00:06:53,966 --> 00:07:18,994\n為什麼要花這麼多錢當然這個試做的這樣的一個項目不會是只有說那個月台門下降的這個部分而已它有包含這個事辦的一面升降的四欄繩的月台門還有障礙物偵測的系統還有列車感測感知系統CCTV的監控系統資訊整合系統還有機房監視等一次性的固定設備那個\n\n20\n00:07:22,179 --> 00:07:28,917\n我聖遠代理董事長來說明一下這些啊他的各系統的功能跟他的必要性因為啊\n\n21\n00:07:30,262 --> 00:07:52,215\n下降的這個部分300公尺一億五千萬當然不是只有下降的這個部分它有很多的系統這樣的系統在其他裝置的時候就不用再做了嘛是不是就是說你這個月台是兩邊嘛你現在先做一邊嘛另外一邊在做的時候它的價格是不是就更便宜來說明一下直接說明報告齁委員剛剛講的沒有錯齁因為我們這個屬於事辦齁所以我們\n\n22\n00:07:56,297 --> 00:08:19,796\n大概同仁有很多的想法希望能夠把很多的功能放進來包括監控的部分也包括我們的相關的資訊看可不可以傳到我們現在所謂的鐵道園去所以監控的事情比較多一點那剛剛提到我們現在是一側但是未來我們是兩側所以就是說裡面的建設一些監控呢我就可以少掉很多對我來講成本會比較會更低啦\n\n23\n00:08:20,296 --> 00:08:37,812\n另外一個我們針對這個示範以後我們會相關的功能我們再做一個檢視有些其實可以不用那麼多我們會把它剪掉未來的這個月台門如果做的話一定會更便宜好吳董事長我再來提問一個問題就是相關的這個月台門\n\n24\n00:08:39,215 --> 00:09:03,209\n上升或下降一直在下降的時候我們看到很多的工廠或公司或是居家的鐵門因為下來的時候造成了民眾或是兒童不慎壓傷或者是造成生命的一些衝擊的狀況那我們這個安全的狀況當然我知道會有一些接觸式的感應或是非接觸式的感應市井的系統偵測的系統來簡單說明這些安全的狀況\n\n25\n00:09:06,731 --> 00:09:09,012\n相關的旅客的安全是最重要的一個前提\n\n26\n00:09:24,938 --> 00:09:48,625\n是是那部長也應該確實的相關的督促我知道這個一億五千萬的爭議其實他是經過公開的招標然後政風單位一開始也都有相關的按照程序來做相關的處置那我們希望要對社會大眾來說明清楚對於社會大眾安全的提升尤其必要性的都應該要去做以上好謝謝委員謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3588\t14274\t好 謝謝召委 請一下部長 交通部陳部長 台鐵五代董事長 高鐵政董事長 高鐵政大局 楊振軍局長楊振軍局長\n23314\t50310\t好部長好有關於近期社會大眾對於台鐵月台門的設置他的設置雖然是事半但是他的經費高達一億五千萬那社會大眾對於這樣的一個月台門設置及所需的經費大家議論紛紛其實有兩種主要的聲音第一種是要不要做月台門有必要嗎\n51391\t66309\t第二種是說有必要做但是有必要要花這麼多錢嗎 為什麼要花這麼多錢那其實有關於月台門設置的這樣的一個討論最主要是在我記得是在2022年11月28日\n71115\t92469\t台鐵台北站有一位行動不方便的旅客啊他因為啊 坐輪椅操作的問題啊 或者是人潮擁擠啊不慎摔落軌道 因而受傷啊 社會上大家都很不敢的啦所以就討論到說是不是有越台門設置的議題 所以在\n94009\t118372\t11月30號就是過了兩天之後我們在交通委員會我就質詢相關月台門的這樣的一個議題是不是說我們要來解釋相關月台狹窄的這個問題或者是要討論是否要設置月台門以及要設置月台門有哪些的優先的順序或者是相關的時程\n119215\t137527\t那其實我要跟部長提醒一下其實不只是2022年討論到要設置月台門與否在2017年其實台鐵在社會大眾因為每年都發生很多的這種衰落鐵軌的這樣一個事件\n138388\t157041\t所以說社會大眾就有在討論要不要設月台門那當時我記得是要設置在百福站百福站就是在七堵區他有一個百福站是否要設置這樣的一個月台門但是當時因為車種複雜他的車寬車距車門的車寬車距不一樣以及月台的這個寬距也不一樣還有相關技術的問題系統整合的問題所以就這個計畫就延宕下來\n168448\t187853\t那現在設置這樣的一個越台南門的議題最主要是屢屢都發生很多的這樣那個跌落 落軌的事件不管是台鐵或是高鐵 高鐵最近就發生了三件這樣一個落軌的事件其實不只是最近的這些件數\n189033\t208800\t最主要的我看這個雙鐵台鐵高鐵每年平均的落軌事件都在10件以上我們看到台鐵的2022到2024以及高鐵的2022到2024的落軌事件都超過10件以上其實高鐵更多因為計算\n210811\t232800\t申報上來的這個建樹計算的基礎不一樣台鐵是有跌落軌道有受傷與否或者是啊造成車輛的延誤有沒有但是只要跌落軌道他們就通報就作為計算基礎高鐵沒有啊高鐵只有啊\n233939\t259109\t造成列車的延誤啊才會列入這個計算是不是這樣來高鐵鄭董事長講一下委員說的是的我們有報告給鐵道局的是有列車延誤五分鐘以上的這事件我們才會通報所以跌落受傷了就沒有計算為什麼我知道呢因為我處理過一個服務案件民眾在桃園站他\n260771\t285836\t下電梯手扶梯要去搭高鐵他不慎跌落軌道受傷雖然高鐵有做後續的處理但是就沒有列入這樣一個跌落軌道的一個計算所以我要說的就是說我們必須要更嚴謹的態度來處理落軌的這種狀況申報要確實而且落軌的事件是非常的多落軌的事件有看到行動不方便的朋友\n286536\t302436\t或者是長者 或者是兒童 或者是身體不舒服的旅客或者是因為旅客因為擁擠 推擠或者是個人生命選擇的這樣的一個狀況所以啊這個都必須去做相關的 所以說\n303530\t332421\t部長你認為這種月台門的設置是有必要性嗎報告委員必要性我們要看第一剛剛委員有提到是擁擠的部分那第二個就是說針對安全的部分弱軌的次數比較多的那些車站代表說它擁擠的程度可能是相對高我們會優先來處理那我所知道的是高鐵是不是有計畫未來我們盡量每一個車站都要有做月台門的設置高鐵在2024年的9月就已經正式宣布要全面的來裝設月台門\n333121\t353596\t而且是以板橋跟新竹 因為新竹風很大那板橋因為旅客也眾多 他們要以這兩個站來做優先他們是要全線都要坐越他們 是不是啊 鄭董事長說明一下 是的各位報告 我們確實整個12站都已經發包那尤其在今年的1月已經正式開工了\n354096\t377709\t那目前的進度我們準備在三年內就是117年年中的時候整個12個月台的這個月台們全部可以做完那目前我們已經今年裡面應該可以完成這個Polotype的這個測試完成然後我們首先就會剛才委員所提到從新竹跟板橋先做那這應該在明年就可以做了在2024年9月\n378889\t397146\t高鐵就正式宣佈要全線去做了 紐約宣佈其實在2024年同年的年底12月在左營站就發生了旅客不幸落軌身亡的這樣的事故其實這個月台門設置其實是有它的必要性好 那現在民眾會說\n399348\t412765\t設置月台的月台門在安全性的提升是有幫助的現在民眾更質疑的是說為什麼300公尺的四座就要花了一億五千萬\n413966\t438994\t為什麼要花這麼多錢當然這個試做的這樣的一個項目不會是只有說那個月台門下降的這個部分而已它有包含這個事辦的一面升降的四欄繩的月台門還有障礙物偵測的系統還有列車感測感知系統CCTV的監控系統資訊整合系統還有機房監視等一次性的固定設備那個\n442179\t448917\t我聖遠代理董事長來說明一下這些啊他的各系統的功能跟他的必要性因為啊\n450262\t472215\t下降的這個部分300公尺一億五千萬當然不是只有下降的這個部分它有很多的系統這樣的系統在其他裝置的時候就不用再做了嘛是不是就是說你這個月台是兩邊嘛你現在先做一邊嘛另外一邊在做的時候它的價格是不是就更便宜來說明一下直接說明報告齁委員剛剛講的沒有錯齁因為我們這個屬於事辦齁所以我們\n476297\t499796\t大概同仁有很多的想法希望能夠把很多的功能放進來包括監控的部分也包括我們的相關的資訊看可不可以傳到我們現在所謂的鐵道園去所以監控的事情比較多一點那剛剛提到我們現在是一側但是未來我們是兩側所以就是說裡面的建設一些監控呢我就可以少掉很多對我來講成本會比較會更低啦\n500296\t517812\t另外一個我們針對這個示範以後我們會相關的功能我們再做一個檢視有些其實可以不用那麼多我們會把它剪掉未來的這個月台門如果做的話一定會更便宜好 吳董事長我再來提問一個問題就是相關的這個月台門\n519215\t543209\t上升或下降一直在下降的時候我們看到很多的工廠或公司或是居家的鐵門因為下來的時候造成了民眾或是兒童不慎壓傷或者是造成生命的一些衝擊的狀況那我們這個安全的狀況當然我知道會有一些接觸式的感應或是非接觸式的感應市井的系統偵測的系統來簡單說明這些安全的狀況\n546731\t549012\t相關的旅客的安全是最重要的一個前提\n564938\t588625\t是是那部長也應該確實的相關的督促我知道這個一億五千萬的爭議其實他是經過公開的招標然後政風單位一開始也都有相關的按照程序來做相關的處置那我們希望要對社會大眾來說明清楚對於社會大眾安全的提升尤其必要性的都應該要去做以上好謝謝委員謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委 請一下部長 交通部陳部長 台鐵五代董事長 高鐵政董事長 高鐵政大局 楊振軍局長楊振軍局長\n好部長好有關於近期社會大眾對於台鐵月台門的設置他的設置雖然是事半但是他的經費高達一億五千萬那社會大眾對於這樣的一個月台門設置及所需的經費大家議論紛紛其實有兩種主要的聲音第一種是要不要做月台門有必要嗎\n第二種是說有必要做但是有必要要花這麼多錢嗎 為什麼要花這麼多錢那其實有關於月台門設置的這樣的一個討論最主要是在我記得是在2022年11月28日\n台鐵台北站有一位行動不方便的旅客啊他因為啊 坐輪椅操作的問題啊 或者是人潮擁擠啊不慎摔落軌道 因而受傷啊 社會上大家都很不敢的啦所以就討論到說是不是有越台門設置的議題 所以在\n11月30號就是過了兩天之後我們在交通委員會我就質詢相關月台門的這樣的一個議題是不是說我們要來解釋相關月台狹窄的這個問題或者是要討論是否要設置月台門以及要設置月台門有哪些的優先的順序或者是相關的時程\n那其實我要跟部長提醒一下其實不只是2022年討論到要設置月台門與否在2017年其實台鐵在社會大眾因為每年都發生很多的這種衰落鐵軌的這樣一個事件\n所以說社會大眾就有在討論要不要設月台門那當時我記得是要設置在百福站百福站就是在七堵區他有一個百福站是否要設置這樣的一個月台門但是當時因為車種複雜他的車寬車距車門的車寬車距不一樣以及月台的這個寬距也不一樣還有相關技術的問題系統整合的問題所以就這個計畫就延宕下來\n那現在設置這樣的一個越台南門的議題最主要是屢屢都發生很多的這樣那個跌落 落軌的事件不管是台鐵或是高鐵 高鐵最近就發生了三件這樣一個落軌的事件其實不只是最近的這些件數\n最主要的我看這個雙鐵台鐵高鐵每年平均的落軌事件都在10件以上我們看到台鐵的2022到2024以及高鐵的2022到2024的落軌事件都超過10件以上其實高鐵更多因為計算\n申報上來的這個建樹計算的基礎不一樣台鐵是有跌落軌道有受傷與否或者是啊造成車輛的延誤有沒有但是只要跌落軌道他們就通報就作為計算基礎高鐵沒有啊高鐵只有啊\n造成列車的延誤啊才會列入這個計算是不是這樣來高鐵鄭董事長講一下委員說的是的我們有報告給鐵道局的是有列車延誤五分鐘以上的這事件我們才會通報所以跌落受傷了就沒有計算為什麼我知道呢因為我處理過一個服務案件民眾在桃園站他\n下電梯手扶梯要去搭高鐵他不慎跌落軌道受傷雖然高鐵有做後續的處理但是就沒有列入這樣一個跌落軌道的一個計算所以我要說的就是說我們必須要更嚴謹的態度來處理落軌的這種狀況申報要確實而且落軌的事件是非常的多落軌的事件有看到行動不方便的朋友\n或者是長者 或者是兒童 或者是身體不舒服的旅客或者是因為旅客因為擁擠 推擠或者是個人生命選擇的這樣的一個狀況所以啊這個都必須去做相關的 所以說\n部長你認為這種月台門的設置是有必要性嗎報告委員必要性我們要看第一剛剛委員有提到是擁擠的部分那第二個就是說針對安全的部分弱軌的次數比較多的那些車站代表說它擁擠的程度可能是相對高我們會優先來處理那我所知道的是高鐵是不是有計畫未來我們盡量每一個車站都要有做月台門的設置高鐵在2024年的9月就已經正式宣布要全面的來裝設月台門\n而且是以板橋跟新竹 因為新竹風很大那板橋因為旅客也眾多 他們要以這兩個站來做優先他們是要全線都要坐越他們 是不是啊 鄭董事長說明一下 是的各位報告 我們確實整個12站都已經發包那尤其在今年的1月已經正式開工了\n那目前的進度我們準備在三年內就是117年年中的時候整個12個月台的這個月台們全部可以做完那目前我們已經今年裡面應該可以完成這個Polotype的這個測試完成然後我們首先就會剛才委員所提到從新竹跟板橋先做那這應該在明年就可以做了在2024年9月\n高鐵就正式宣佈要全線去做了 紐約宣佈其實在2024年同年的年底12月在左營站就發生了旅客不幸落軌身亡的這樣的事故其實這個月台門設置其實是有它的必要性好 那現在民眾會說\n設置月台的月台門在安全性的提升是有幫助的現在民眾更質疑的是說為什麼300公尺的四座就要花了一億五千萬\n為什麼要花這麼多錢當然這個試做的這樣的一個項目不會是只有說那個月台門下降的這個部分而已它有包含這個事辦的一面升降的四欄繩的月台門還有障礙物偵測的系統還有列車感測感知系統CCTV的監控系統資訊整合系統還有機房監視等一次性的固定設備那個\n我聖遠代理董事長來說明一下這些啊他的各系統的功能跟他的必要性因為啊\n下降的這個部分300公尺一億五千萬當然不是只有下降的這個部分它有很多的系統這樣的系統在其他裝置的時候就不用再做了嘛是不是就是說你這個月台是兩邊嘛你現在先做一邊嘛另外一邊在做的時候它的價格是不是就更便宜來說明一下直接說明報告齁委員剛剛講的沒有錯齁因為我們這個屬於事辦齁所以我們\n大概同仁有很多的想法希望能夠把很多的功能放進來包括監控的部分也包括我們的相關的資訊看可不可以傳到我們現在所謂的鐵道園去所以監控的事情比較多一點那剛剛提到我們現在是一側但是未來我們是兩側所以就是說裡面的建設一些監控呢我就可以少掉很多對我來講成本會比較會更低啦\n另外一個我們針對這個示範以後我們會相關的功能我們再做一個檢視有些其實可以不用那麼多我們會把它剪掉未來的這個月台門如果做的話一定會更便宜好 吳董事長我再來提問一個問題就是相關的這個月台門\n上升或下降一直在下降的時候我們看到很多的工廠或公司或是居家的鐵門因為下來的時候造成了民眾或是兒童不慎壓傷或者是造成生命的一些衝擊的狀況那我們這個安全的狀況當然我知道會有一些接觸式的感應或是非接觸式的感應市井的系統偵測的系統來簡單說明這些安全的狀況\n相關的旅客的安全是最重要的一個前提\n是是那部長也應該確實的相關的督促我知道這個一億五千萬的爭議其實他是經過公開的招標然後政風單位一開始也都有相關的按照程序來做相關的處置那我們希望要對社會大眾來說明清楚對於社會大眾安全的提升尤其必要性的都應該要去做以上好謝謝委員謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.588 --> 00:14.274\n好謝謝召委請一下部長交通部陳部長台鐵五代董事長高鐵政董事長高鐵政大局楊振軍局長楊振軍局長\n\n00:23.314 --> 00:50.310\n好部長好有關於近期社會大眾對於台鐵月台門的設置他的設置雖然是事半但是他的經費高達一億五千萬那社會大眾對於這樣的一個月台門設置及所需的經費大家議論紛紛其實有兩種主要的聲音第一種是要不要做月台門有必要嗎\n\n00:51.391 --> 01:06.309\n第二種是說有必要做但是有必要要花這麼多錢嗎為什麼要花這麼多錢那其實有關於月台門設置的這樣的一個討論最主要是在我記得是在2022年11月28日\n\n01:11.115 --> 01:32.469\n台鐵台北站有一位行動不方便的旅客啊他因為啊坐輪椅操作的問題啊或者是人潮擁擠啊不慎摔落軌道因而受傷啊社會上大家都很不敢的啦所以就討論到說是不是有越台門設置的議題所以在\n\n01:34.009 --> 01:58.372\n11月30號就是過了兩天之後我們在交通委員會我就質詢相關月台門的這樣的一個議題是不是說我們要來解釋相關月台狹窄的這個問題或者是要討論是否要設置月台門以及要設置月台門有哪些的優先的順序或者是相關的時程\n\n01:59.215 --> 02:17.527\n那其實我要跟部長提醒一下其實不只是2022年討論到要設置月台門與否在2017年其實台鐵在社會大眾因為每年都發生很多的這種衰落鐵軌的這樣一個事件\n\n02:18.388 --> 02:37.041\n所以說社會大眾就有在討論要不要設月台門那當時我記得是要設置在百福站百福站就是在七堵區他有一個百福站是否要設置這樣的一個月台門但是當時因為車種複雜他的車寬車距車門的車寬車距不一樣以及月台的這個寬距也不一樣還有相關技術的問題系統整合的問題所以就這個計畫就延宕下來\n\n02:48.448 --> 03:07.853\n那現在設置這樣的一個越台南門的議題最主要是屢屢都發生很多的這樣那個跌落落軌的事件不管是台鐵或是高鐵高鐵最近就發生了三件這樣一個落軌的事件其實不只是最近的這些件數\n\n03:09.033 --> 03:28.800\n最主要的我看這個雙鐵台鐵高鐵每年平均的落軌事件都在10件以上我們看到台鐵的2022到2024以及高鐵的2022到2024的落軌事件都超過10件以上其實高鐵更多因為計算\n\n03:30.811 --> 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