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00:01:38,926\n還有一個我跟委員補充就是委員非常關心的就是另外一個方式就是棄養那過去棄養的時候沒有很明確的界定什麼叫棄養所以這次的修法裡面也納入了比較明確的棄養就是說\n\n5\n00:01:40,147 --> 00:01:48,555\n當你不要養的時候你一定要經過收容的這個程序你才能夠所以有一個SOP啦就是說你如果說你要棄養你不能隨便丟你要經過整個收容的整個過程有一個SOP不是說不行就是說你如果養寵物\n\n6\n00:02:00,806 --> 00:02:14,523\n養到你自己覺得你的經濟能力有問題了你想把它能夠找一個比較好安置的地方可以透過收容不要棄養對這個也是委員之前關心的對我們一直在強調的那第二個部分就是說\n\n7\n00:02:15,504 --> 00:02:33,983\n在我們現在看到很多寵物出入公共場所那因為沒有做好很好的防護措施而造成別人一般民眾或是動物的傷害那這個部分呢現在這幾天這一段時間最多的就是比特犬是那這個部分我們怎麼做\n\n8\n00:02:35,014 --> 00:02:50,364\n在比特選的部分雖然說我們已經列入了相關的這些禁止飼養而有強制登記但是相對的這些登記有一些黑數的部分我們會盡量再把這個黑數找出來那更重要一點就是以比特也跳上這個案件來講\n\n9\n00:02:51,244 --> 00:03:07,273\n他之前已經傷害過一次了可是我們現在開始在做規劃就是說當這個具有攻擊性的犬隻你如果事主沒有盡到責任咬到人的時候我就會沒路一次就沒路而不是讓他用裁發的方式去處理\n\n10\n00:03:07,893 --> 00:03:34,907\n除了没入之后呢在我们相对的对于一般民众跟动物的保护该怎么办就是说他今天如果因为这个宠物出入公共场所然后没有做好一个适当的防护措施造成人或动物的伤害这个部分除了没入这个犬吃这个没有问题可是下一步其他的呢\n\n11\n00:03:35,550 --> 00:03:51,026\n我想我們基本上像這些比較具攻擊性的我們出門一定有一定的規範包括事主的責任就是你的鏈條的長度你的戴口罩然後你一定要成年人才能夠戴出去這些規範都有你如果沒有\n\n12\n00:03:51,747 --> 00:04:12,503\n有這個規範然後造成了傷害的時候你那個行者是會被加重的所以就會有行者加重的問題所以我們這一次有把它很清楚定了SOP就是說你今天把我們的寵物帶出去如果是一個比較有攻擊性的一些犬隻可能我們要做到什麼樣的防護\n\n13\n00:04:13,464 --> 00:04:32,256\nSOP都有了那如果沒有造成傷害那麼就會有加重刑責的部分說真的我們希望進到更多的呼籲跟宣導我說真的這是最後這個刑責都是最後那我們前面宣導很重要\n\n14\n00:04:32,916 --> 00:04:54,082\n這也拜託我們的農業部就是說我們訂了這些SOP我剛剛所講的就是市主的管養責任還有我們市主帶出去應該有的一些防護措施這些都已經有SOP了在這一次的動保法裡面我們要去宣傳要讓大家更知道了解不修完之後\n\n15\n00:04:54,702 --> 00:05:18,348\n就不見了大家不知道應該更清楚讓大家知道你該怎麼做然後如果沒有怎麼做你就會有怎麼樣的一個刑責跟處罰所以包括棄養的部分現在也有一定的程序所以我覺得這個都要把它做很清楚的一些公佈跟宣導這個再拜託我們的部長謝謝委員的提醒我們會加強來做然後呢\n\n16\n00:05:19,588 --> 00:05:20,369\n現在台南的土地很多\n\n17\n00:05:37,315 --> 00:06:01,235\n只能清盤去啊喔是啊啊這個果扒盤青菜基本上都馬上就達到這個標準其實是一個很小的地喔是所以他們說這個部分該怎麼辦難道都沒有檢討的機制嗎我跟委員報告齁其實這個部分其實以農業部來講我們內部就有一些檢討而且行政院也有做一些溝通那現在就是說\n\n18\n00:06:02,666 --> 00:06:19,564\n農業部的老農津貼牌部的條款我們有一些設計但是整個是要跟其他的八大社福的津貼要一致性那現在正在做溝通因為當時候我們在處理這一塊我們有討論過希望說是不是可以照著什麼樣的一個指數調整可是\n\n19\n00:06:21,105 --> 00:06:43,628\n當時候有很多就像你講的要搭八大社福津貼下去做調整所以我覺得這個部分因為它牽扯的就是我們的一個市值的問題現在整個市值物價都往上提升所以包括我們八大社福的津貼都應該一致性的調整\n\n20\n00:06:44,249 --> 00:07:13,303\n我覺得應該是這個樣子因為已經沒有辦法跟著上整個世代潮流的一個轉變了所以大家都站在這裡恐怖結果我們的社福今天還在一個最基本數所以這個是不對的所以我拜託部長這個部分是我們這段時間在走訪基層的時候所有農民每一個人大概都提出這樣的意見他說沒辦法我們農民就都被排掉了是\n\n21\n00:07:13,903 --> 00:07:35,602\n馬上就被排掉了而且那是很小喔很小的一塊地喔那我們也感同身受因為我們希望是地方的發展台南的發展發展之後得給的撲阿這是相對的嘛所以我覺得這個部分拜託我們的部長多久你可以有一個方向跟我們的相關單位去討論\n\n22\n00:07:36,583 --> 00:07:54,658\n我想我們農業部在內部的評估其實我們已經有完整的評估但是我們也提到了行政院去去做討論所以我會把我們這段時間不只您還有很多地方的聲音都有這個議題我會再跟行政院反映看看可不可以在中間啟動\n\n23\n00:07:58,420 --> 00:08:19,867\n一定要重新啟動我個人是覺得說是應該要調整啦所以我會再跟行政院來反映再拜託啦我覺得我們也會跟院長去報告這件事情那另外就是說部長在這一次我們的特別條例特別預算裡面我們農業在這一次關稅的衝擊所編列的預算太少了吧\n\n24\n00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:34,026\n我跟委員報告我們編列現在目前編列是181但是有一個現在比較困擾的地方就是現在的關稅32%是暫緩實施90天是以10%的基準關稅為主所以它的關稅還沒確定之下以現在10%我們覺得現在這10%裡面181是可以去支持的\n\n25\n00:08:43,570 --> 00:09:12,689\n但是未來未來如果有調整的時候請問這個談刑是誰在定沒有你現在送出來就一百八十億啊而且部長我再跟你強調一點你還記得在第一時間發生的時候就在這個質詢台當中我就跟您就教蝴蝶蘭的問題也請你一個月要提出我們在蝴蝶蘭轉移陣地轉移基地到美國台堂基地去做這樣的一個聯盟機制\n\n26\n00:09:13,671 --> 00:09:20,333\n打一個台灣隊打一個國家隊這個很重要但是這個部分你預算好像沒看到\n\n27\n00:09:22,438 --> 00:09:49,229\n這個部分是在增加對外投資的部分是啊對外投資啊可是也在農業部的部分相對的我們有把這個議題列入就是說當他到美國去的時候他的一些融資有沒有他的一些融資減免的部分利息減免你只有融資減免你知道他如果一個產業要去到美國台糖基地就只有融資嗎\n\n28\n00:09:51,010 --> 00:09:59,510\n救助融資嗎你有沒有看到我們經濟部我們經濟部在企業的一個協助當中跟我們農業差太多了吧\n\n29\n00:10:01,345 --> 00:10:19,014\n部長猜太多了吧所以在這個國際競爭力當中胡鐵人剛好是一個很重要的標的剛好有台糖基地如果你沒有這個台糖基地他也沒有辦法剛好有這個台糖基地他可以依照台糖基地讓我們的產業進駐然後協助產業去做一個聯盟\n\n30\n00:10:25,197 --> 00:10:38,267\n打一個國家隊這個部分你們要列入優先啊這跟我們報告齁胡田產業我也親自跟業者座談了齁然後針對台糖的基地我們現在也在跟台糖那邊去協調我知道你們有在談我的意思是說\n\n31\n00:10:40,308 --> 00:11:03,470\n你沒有協助經費的到位轉型我告訴你這些廠商要怎麼有信心呢這是第一點所以我拜託你這個部分你一定要增加進去第二個就是我們的台灣雕其實在台灣雕台南端兩行最重要而且所吃的比例最高的一個就是蝴蝶蘭一個就是台灣雕\n\n32\n00:11:04,611 --> 00:11:23,837\n所以台灣雕你知道嗎我們現在不能只有把眼睛放在我們的美國也就是把雞蛋放在美國的這個籃子裡我們勢必是要把所有世界各國的通路都找進來所以台灣雕什麼很重要整個的加工製造很重要\n\n33\n00:11:24,637 --> 00:11:53,010\n我們現在台灣雕說真的它是可以做成真空然後完全食材都在裡面它只要加熱這符合外國它實用的一個習慣放下去加熱之後就可以用了所以我們要怎麼把這個加工增加加強跟我們的產業給他們更有新興這個也是我們這一波一定要加強的這個已經放進去包括\n\n34\n00:11:53,790 --> 00:12:14,188\n那個台灣雕的魚片魚凍條跟整個生鮮生鮮的部分生鮮的部分我是說加工加工真空加工等等你的預算是納入預算不夠啊部長現在我們就要利用這一波給予更多的支持我是給你提醒了齁\n\n35\n00:12:14,968 --> 00:12:34,055\n因為我在台南我很清楚蝴蝶蘭跟台灣雕是我們兩個很重要的指標在這一波關稅的影響而且它佔的比例是全國最高所以這個部分麻煩一下我們需要的這些是協助經費的協助讓我們有感謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4542\t27738\t謝謝主席 我們請部長陳部長部長今天我的議題比較多 那你就簡單回答我想今天我們在談這個動保法我們已經等很久了終於我們也看到我們的一個修正公告的一個狀況\n29699\t52964\t我要必須請教的是現在兩個非常重要的議題這個在我的修法版本裡面都有就是說我們怎麼去更詳盡規範我們對寵物的飼主管理的責任更能夠加重在於如果飼主虐待或是故意傷害宰殺動物的行者這個部分我們怎麼做\n54298\t83908\t我想針對這個虐待跟宰殺的部分我們會再加重刑罰加重刑責的部分這個刑責的部分我們在這次修法都有就有放進去都有放進去所以這個部分是我們從過去到現在我們愛動物的人士其實一直看待看到心裡都很痛的部分所以這個部分我們在這次動保法裡面有嚴格再去加強做一個修正\n84529\t98926\t還有一個我跟委員補充就是委員非常關心的就是另外一個方式就是棄養那過去棄養的時候沒有很明確的界定什麼叫棄養所以這次的修法裡面也納入了比較明確的棄養就是說\n100147\t108555\t當你不要養的時候你一定要經過收容的這個程序你才能夠所以有一個SOP啦就是說你如果說你要棄養你不能隨便丟你要經過整個收容的整個過程有一個SOP不是說不行就是說你如果養寵物\n120806\t134523\t養到你自己覺得你的經濟能力有問題了你想把它能夠找一個比較好安置的地方可以透過收容不要棄養對 這個也是委員之前關心的對 我們一直在強調的那第二個部分就是說\n135504\t153983\t在我們現在看到很多寵物出入公共場所那因為沒有做好很好的防護措施而造成別人一般民眾或是動物的傷害那這個部分呢現在這幾天這一段時間最多的就是比特犬是那這個部分我們怎麼做\n155014\t170364\t在比特選的部分雖然說我們已經列入了相關的這些禁止飼養而有強制登記但是相對的這些登記有一些黑數的部分我們會盡量再把這個黑數找出來那更重要一點就是以比特也跳上這個案件來講\n171244\t187273\t他之前已經傷害過一次了可是我們現在開始在做規劃就是說當這個具有攻擊性的犬隻你如果事主沒有盡到責任咬到人的時候我就會沒路一次就沒路而不是讓他用裁發的方式去處理\n187893\t214907\t除了没入之后呢在我们相对的对于一般民众跟动物的保护该怎么办就是说他今天如果因为这个宠物出入公共场所然后没有做好一个适当的防护措施造成人或动物的伤害这个部分除了没入这个犬吃这个没有问题可是下一步其他的呢\n215550\t231026\t我想我們基本上像這些比較具攻擊性的我們出門一定有一定的規範包括事主的責任就是你的鏈條的長度你的戴口罩然後你一定要成年人才能夠戴出去這些規範都有你如果沒有\n231747\t252503\t有這個規範然後造成了傷害的時候你那個行者是會被加重的所以就會有行者加重的問題所以我們這一次有把它很清楚定了SOP就是說你今天把我們的寵物帶出去如果是一個比較有攻擊性的一些犬隻可能我們要做到什麼樣的防護\n253464\t272256\tSOP都有了那如果沒有造成傷害那麼就會有加重刑責的部分說真的我們希望進到更多的呼籲跟宣導我說真的這是最後這個刑責都是最後那我們前面宣導很重要\n272916\t294082\t這也拜託我們的農業部就是說我們訂了這些SOP我剛剛所講的就是市主的管養責任還有我們市主帶出去應該有的一些防護措施這些都已經有SOP了在這一次的動保法裡面我們要去宣傳要讓大家更知道了解不修完之後\n294702\t318348\t就不見了大家不知道應該更清楚讓大家知道你該怎麼做然後如果沒有怎麼做你就會有怎麼樣的一個刑責跟處罰所以包括棄養的部分現在也有一定的程序所以我覺得這個都要把它做很清楚的一些公佈跟宣導這個再拜託我們的部長謝謝委員的提醒我們會加強來做然後呢\n319588\t320369\t現在台南的土地很多\n337315\t361235\t只能清盤去啊 喔是啊 啊這個果扒盤 青菜基本上都馬上就達到這個標準其實是一個很小的地喔 是所以他們說這個部分該怎麼辦難道都沒有檢討的機制嗎我跟委員報告齁 其實這個部分其實以農業部來講我們內部就有一些檢討 而且行政院也有做一些溝通那現在就是說\n362666\t379564\t農業部的老農津貼牌部的條款我們有一些設計但是整個是要跟其他的八大社福的津貼要一致性那現在正在做溝通因為當時候我們在處理這一塊我們有討論過希望說是不是可以照著什麼樣的一個指數調整可是\n381105\t403628\t當時候有很多就像你講的要搭八大社福津貼下去做調整所以我覺得這個部分因為它牽扯的就是我們的一個市值的問題現在整個市值物價都往上提升所以包括我們八大社福的津貼都應該一致性的調整\n404249\t433303\t我覺得應該是這個樣子因為已經沒有辦法跟著上整個世代潮流的一個轉變了所以大家都站在這裡恐怖結果我們的社福今天還在一個最基本數所以這個是不對的所以我拜託部長這個部分是我們這段時間在走訪基層的時候所有農民每一個人大概都提出這樣的意見他說沒辦法我們農民就都被排掉了是\n433903\t455602\t馬上就被排掉了而且那是很小喔很小的一塊地喔那我們也感同身受因為我們希望是地方的發展台南的發展發展之後得給的撲阿這是相對的嘛所以我覺得這個部分拜託我們的部長多久你可以有一個方向跟我們的相關單位去討論\n456583\t474658\t我想我們農業部在內部的評估其實我們已經有完整的評估但是我們也提到了行政院去去做討論所以我會把我們這段時間不只您還有很多地方的聲音都有這個議題我會再跟行政院反映看看可不可以在中間啟動\n478420\t499867\t一定要重新啟動我個人是覺得說是應該要調整啦所以我會再跟行政院來反映再拜託啦我覺得我們也會跟院長去報告這件事情那另外就是說部長在這一次我們的特別條例特別預算裡面我們農業在這一次關稅的衝擊所編列的預算太少了吧\n500680\t514026\t我跟委員報告我們編列現在目前編列是181但是有一個現在比較困擾的地方就是現在的關稅32%是暫緩實施90天是以10%的基準關稅為主所以它的關稅還沒確定之下以現在10%我們覺得現在這10%裡面181是可以去支持的\n523570\t552689\t但是未來未來如果有調整的時候請問這個談刑是誰在定沒有你現在送出來就一百八十億啊而且部長我再跟你強調一點你還記得在第一時間發生的時候就在這個質詢台當中我就跟您就教蝴蝶蘭的問題也請你一個月要提出我們在蝴蝶蘭轉移陣地轉移基地到美國台堂基地去做這樣的一個聯盟機制\n553671\t560333\t打一個台灣隊打一個國家隊這個很重要但是這個部分你預算好像沒看到\n562438\t589229\t這個部分是在增加對外投資的部分是啊對外投資啊可是也在農業部的部分相對的我們有把這個議題列入就是說當他到美國去的時候他的一些融資有沒有他的一些融資減免的部分利息減免你只有融資減免你知道他如果一個產業要去到美國台糖基地就只有融資嗎\n591010\t599510\t救助融資嗎 你有沒有看到我們經濟部我們經濟部在企業的一個協助當中跟我們農業差太多了吧\n601345\t619014\t部長猜太多了吧所以在這個國際競爭力當中胡鐵人剛好是一個很重要的標的剛好有台糖基地如果你沒有這個台糖基地他也沒有辦法剛好有這個台糖基地他可以依照台糖基地讓我們的產業進駐然後協助產業去做一個聯盟\n625197\t638267\t打一個國家隊這個部分你們要列入優先啊這跟我們報告齁胡田產業我也親自跟業者座談了齁然後針對台糖的基地我們現在也在跟台糖那邊去協調我知道你們有在談我的意思是說\n640308\t663470\t你沒有協助經費的到位轉型我告訴你這些廠商要怎麼有信心呢這是第一點 所以我拜託你這個部分你一定要增加進去第二個就是我們的台灣雕其實在台灣雕 台南端兩行最重要而且所吃的比例最高的一個就是蝴蝶蘭 一個就是台灣雕\n664611\t683837\t所以台灣雕你知道嗎我們現在不能只有把眼睛放在我們的美國也就是把雞蛋放在美國的這個籃子裡我們勢必是要把所有世界各國的通路都找進來所以台灣雕什麼很重要整個的加工製造很重要\n684637\t713010\t我們現在台灣雕說真的它是可以做成真空然後完全食材都在裡面它只要加熱這符合外國它實用的一個習慣放下去加熱之後就可以用了所以我們要怎麼把這個加工增加加強跟我們的產業給他們更有新興這個也是我們這一波一定要加強的這個已經放進去包括\n713790\t734188\t那個台灣雕的魚片魚凍條跟整個生鮮生鮮的部分生鮮的部分我是說加工加工真空加工等等你的預算是納入預算不夠啊部長現在我們就要利用這一波給予更多的支持我是給你提醒了齁\n734968\t754055\t因為我在台南我很清楚蝴蝶蘭跟台灣雕是我們兩個很重要的指標在這一波關稅的影響而且它佔的比例是全國最高所以這個部分麻煩一下我們需要的這些是協助經費的協助讓我們有感謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請部長陳部長部長今天我的議題比較多 那你就簡單回答我想今天我們在談這個動保法我們已經等很久了終於我們也看到我們的一個修正公告的一個狀況\n我要必須請教的是現在兩個非常重要的議題這個在我的修法版本裡面都有就是說我們怎麼去更詳盡規範我們對寵物的飼主管理的責任更能夠加重在於如果飼主虐待或是故意傷害宰殺動物的行者這個部分我們怎麼做\n我想針對這個虐待跟宰殺的部分我們會再加重刑罰加重刑責的部分這個刑責的部分我們在這次修法都有就有放進去都有放進去所以這個部分是我們從過去到現在我們愛動物的人士其實一直看待看到心裡都很痛的部分所以這個部分我們在這次動保法裡面有嚴格再去加強做一個修正\n還有一個我跟委員補充就是委員非常關心的就是另外一個方式就是棄養那過去棄養的時候沒有很明確的界定什麼叫棄養所以這次的修法裡面也納入了比較明確的棄養就是說\n當你不要養的時候你一定要經過收容的這個程序你才能夠所以有一個SOP啦就是說你如果說你要棄養你不能隨便丟你要經過整個收容的整個過程有一個SOP不是說不行就是說你如果養寵物\n養到你自己覺得你的經濟能力有問題了你想把它能夠找一個比較好安置的地方可以透過收容不要棄養對 這個也是委員之前關心的對 我們一直在強調的那第二個部分就是說\n在我們現在看到很多寵物出入公共場所那因為沒有做好很好的防護措施而造成別人一般民眾或是動物的傷害那這個部分呢現在這幾天這一段時間最多的就是比特犬是那這個部分我們怎麼做\n在比特選的部分雖然說我們已經列入了相關的這些禁止飼養而有強制登記但是相對的這些登記有一些黑數的部分我們會盡量再把這個黑數找出來那更重要一點就是以比特也跳上這個案件來講\n他之前已經傷害過一次了可是我們現在開始在做規劃就是說當這個具有攻擊性的犬隻你如果事主沒有盡到責任咬到人的時候我就會沒路一次就沒路而不是讓他用裁發的方式去處理\n除了没入之后呢在我们相对的对于一般民众跟动物的保护该怎么办就是说他今天如果因为这个宠物出入公共场所然后没有做好一个适当的防护措施造成人或动物的伤害这个部分除了没入这个犬吃这个没有问题可是下一步其他的呢\n我想我們基本上像這些比較具攻擊性的我們出門一定有一定的規範包括事主的責任就是你的鏈條的長度你的戴口罩然後你一定要成年人才能夠戴出去這些規範都有你如果沒有\n有這個規範然後造成了傷害的時候你那個行者是會被加重的所以就會有行者加重的問題所以我們這一次有把它很清楚定了SOP就是說你今天把我們的寵物帶出去如果是一個比較有攻擊性的一些犬隻可能我們要做到什麼樣的防護\nSOP都有了那如果沒有造成傷害那麼就會有加重刑責的部分說真的我們希望進到更多的呼籲跟宣導我說真的這是最後這個刑責都是最後那我們前面宣導很重要\n這也拜託我們的農業部就是說我們訂了這些SOP我剛剛所講的就是市主的管養責任還有我們市主帶出去應該有的一些防護措施這些都已經有SOP了在這一次的動保法裡面我們要去宣傳要讓大家更知道了解不修完之後\n就不見了大家不知道應該更清楚讓大家知道你該怎麼做然後如果沒有怎麼做你就會有怎麼樣的一個刑責跟處罰所以包括棄養的部分現在也有一定的程序所以我覺得這個都要把它做很清楚的一些公佈跟宣導這個再拜託我們的部長謝謝委員的提醒我們會加強來做然後呢\n現在台南的土地很多\n只能清盤去啊 喔是啊 啊這個果扒盤 青菜基本上都馬上就達到這個標準其實是一個很小的地喔 是所以他們說這個部分該怎麼辦難道都沒有檢討的機制嗎我跟委員報告齁 其實這個部分其實以農業部來講我們內部就有一些檢討 而且行政院也有做一些溝通那現在就是說\n農業部的老農津貼牌部的條款我們有一些設計但是整個是要跟其他的八大社福的津貼要一致性那現在正在做溝通因為當時候我們在處理這一塊我們有討論過希望說是不是可以照著什麼樣的一個指數調整可是\n當時候有很多就像你講的要搭八大社福津貼下去做調整所以我覺得這個部分因為它牽扯的就是我們的一個市值的問題現在整個市值物價都往上提升所以包括我們八大社福的津貼都應該一致性的調整\n我覺得應該是這個樣子因為已經沒有辦法跟著上整個世代潮流的一個轉變了所以大家都站在這裡恐怖結果我們的社福今天還在一個最基本數所以這個是不對的所以我拜託部長這個部分是我們這段時間在走訪基層的時候所有農民每一個人大概都提出這樣的意見他說沒辦法我們農民就都被排掉了是\n馬上就被排掉了而且那是很小喔很小的一塊地喔那我們也感同身受因為我們希望是地方的發展台南的發展發展之後得給的撲阿這是相對的嘛所以我覺得這個部分拜託我們的部長多久你可以有一個方向跟我們的相關單位去討論\n我想我們農業部在內部的評估其實我們已經有完整的評估但是我們也提到了行政院去去做討論所以我會把我們這段時間不只您還有很多地方的聲音都有這個議題我會再跟行政院反映看看可不可以在中間啟動\n一定要重新啟動我個人是覺得說是應該要調整啦所以我會再跟行政院來反映再拜託啦我覺得我們也會跟院長去報告這件事情那另外就是說部長在這一次我們的特別條例特別預算裡面我們農業在這一次關稅的衝擊所編列的預算太少了吧\n我跟委員報告我們編列現在目前編列是181但是有一個現在比較困擾的地方就是現在的關稅32%是暫緩實施90天是以10%的基準關稅為主所以它的關稅還沒確定之下以現在10%我們覺得現在這10%裡面181是可以去支持的\n但是未來未來如果有調整的時候請問這個談刑是誰在定沒有你現在送出來就一百八十億啊而且部長我再跟你強調一點你還記得在第一時間發生的時候就在這個質詢台當中我就跟您就教蝴蝶蘭的問題也請你一個月要提出我們在蝴蝶蘭轉移陣地轉移基地到美國台堂基地去做這樣的一個聯盟機制\n打一個台灣隊打一個國家隊這個很重要但是這個部分你預算好像沒看到\n這個部分是在增加對外投資的部分是啊對外投資啊可是也在農業部的部分相對的我們有把這個議題列入就是說當他到美國去的時候他的一些融資有沒有他的一些融資減免的部分利息減免你只有融資減免你知道他如果一個產業要去到美國台糖基地就只有融資嗎\n救助融資嗎 你有沒有看到我們經濟部我們經濟部在企業的一個協助當中跟我們農業差太多了吧\n部長猜太多了吧所以在這個國際競爭力當中胡鐵人剛好是一個很重要的標的剛好有台糖基地如果你沒有這個台糖基地他也沒有辦法剛好有這個台糖基地他可以依照台糖基地讓我們的產業進駐然後協助產業去做一個聯盟\n打一個國家隊這個部分你們要列入優先啊這跟我們報告齁胡田產業我也親自跟業者座談了齁然後針對台糖的基地我們現在也在跟台糖那邊去協調我知道你們有在談我的意思是說\n你沒有協助經費的到位轉型我告訴你這些廠商要怎麼有信心呢這是第一點 所以我拜託你這個部分你一定要增加進去第二個就是我們的台灣雕其實在台灣雕 台南端兩行最重要而且所吃的比例最高的一個就是蝴蝶蘭 一個就是台灣雕\n所以台灣雕你知道嗎我們現在不能只有把眼睛放在我們的美國也就是把雞蛋放在美國的這個籃子裡我們勢必是要把所有世界各國的通路都找進來所以台灣雕什麼很重要整個的加工製造很重要\n我們現在台灣雕說真的它是可以做成真空然後完全食材都在裡面它只要加熱這符合外國它實用的一個習慣放下去加熱之後就可以用了所以我們要怎麼把這個加工增加加強跟我們的產業給他們更有新興這個也是我們這一波一定要加強的這個已經放進去包括\n那個台灣雕的魚片魚凍條跟整個生鮮生鮮的部分生鮮的部分我是說加工加工真空加工等等你的預算是納入預算不夠啊部長現在我們就要利用這一波給予更多的支持我是給你提醒了齁\n因為我在台南我很清楚蝴蝶蘭跟台灣雕是我們兩個很重要的指標在這一波關稅的影響而且它佔的比例是全國最高所以這個部分麻煩一下我們需要的這些是協助經費的協助讓我們有感謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.542 --> 00:27.738\n謝謝主席我們請部長陳部長部長今天我的議題比較多那你就簡單回答我想今天我們在談這個動保法我們已經等很久了終於我們也看到我們的一個修正公告的一個狀況\n\n00:29.699 --> 00:52.964\n我要必須請教的是現在兩個非常重要的議題這個在我的修法版本裡面都有就是說我們怎麼去更詳盡規範我們對寵物的飼主管理的責任更能夠加重在於如果飼主虐待或是故意傷害宰殺動物的行者這個部分我們怎麼做\n\n00:54.298 --> 01:23.908\n我想針對這個虐待跟宰殺的部分我們會再加重刑罰加重刑責的部分這個刑責的部分我們在這次修法都有就有放進去都有放進去所以這個部分是我們從過去到現在我們愛動物的人士其實一直看待看到心裡都很痛的部分所以這個部分我們在這次動保法裡面有嚴格再去加強做一個修正\n\n01:24.529 --> 01:38.926\n還有一個我跟委員補充就是委員非常關心的就是另外一個方式就是棄養那過去棄養的時候沒有很明確的界定什麼叫棄養所以這次的修法裡面也納入了比較明確的棄養就是說\n\n01:40.147 --> 01:48.555\n當你不要養的時候你一定要經過收容的這個程序你才能夠所以有一個SOP啦就是說你如果說你要棄養你不能隨便丟你要經過整個收容的整個過程有一個SOP不是說不行就是說你如果養寵物\n\n02:00.806 --> 02:14.523\n養到你自己覺得你的經濟能力有問題了你想把它能夠找一個比較好安置的地方可以透過收容不要棄養對這個也是委員之前關心的對我們一直在強調的那第二個部分就是說\n\n02:15.504 --> 02:33.983\n在我們現在看到很多寵物出入公共場所那因為沒有做好很好的防護措施而造成別人一般民眾或是動物的傷害那這個部分呢現在這幾天這一段時間最多的就是比特犬是那這個部分我們怎麼做\n\n02:35.014 --> 02:50.364\n在比特選的部分雖然說我們已經列入了相關的這些禁止飼養而有強制登記但是相對的這些登記有一些黑數的部分我們會盡量再把這個黑數找出來那更重要一點就是以比特也跳上這個案件來講\n\n02:51.244 --> 03:07.273\n他之前已經傷害過一次了可是我們現在開始在做規劃就是說當這個具有攻擊性的犬隻你如果事主沒有盡到責任咬到人的時候我就會沒路一次就沒路而不是讓他用裁發的方式去處理\n\n03:07.893 --> 03:34.907\n除了没入之后呢在我们相对的对于一般民众跟动物的保护该怎么办就是说他今天如果因为这个宠物出入公共场所然后没有做好一个适当的防护措施造成人或动物的伤害这个部分除了没入这个犬吃这个没有问题可是下一步其他的呢\n\n03:35.550 --> 03:51.026\n我想我們基本上像這些比較具攻擊性的我們出門一定有一定的規範包括事主的責任就是你的鏈條的長度你的戴口罩然後你一定要成年人才能夠戴出去這些規範都有你如果沒有\n\n03:51.747 --> 04:12.503\n有這個規範然後造成了傷害的時候你那個行者是會被加重的所以就會有行者加重的問題所以我們這一次有把它很清楚定了SOP就是說你今天把我們的寵物帶出去如果是一個比較有攻擊性的一些犬隻可能我們要做到什麼樣的防護\n\n04:13.464 --> 04:32.256\nSOP都有了那如果沒有造成傷害那麼就會有加重刑責的部分說真的我們希望進到更多的呼籲跟宣導我說真的這是最後這個刑責都是最後那我們前面宣導很重要\n\n04:32.916 --> 04:54.082\n這也拜託我們的農業部就是說我們訂了這些SOP我剛剛所講的就是市主的管養責任還有我們市主帶出去應該有的一些防護措施這些都已經有SOP了在這一次的動保法裡面我們要去宣傳要讓大家更知道了解不修完之後\n\n04:54.702 --> 05:18.348\n就不見了大家不知道應該更清楚讓大家知道你該怎麼做然後如果沒有怎麼做你就會有怎麼樣的一個刑責跟處罰所以包括棄養的部分現在也有一定的程序所以我覺得這個都要把它做很清楚的一些公佈跟宣導這個再拜託我們的部長謝謝委員的提醒我們會加強來做然後呢\n\n05:19.588 --> 05:20.369\n現在台南的土地很多\n\n05:37.315 --> 06:01.235\n只能清盤去啊喔是啊啊這個果扒盤青菜基本上都馬上就達到這個標準其實是一個很小的地喔是所以他們說這個部分該怎麼辦難道都沒有檢討的機制嗎我跟委員報告齁其實這個部分其實以農業部來講我們內部就有一些檢討而且行政院也有做一些溝通那現在就是說\n\n06:02.666 --> 06:19.564\n農業部的老農津貼牌部的條款我們有一些設計但是整個是要跟其他的八大社福的津貼要一致性那現在正在做溝通因為當時候我們在處理這一塊我們有討論過希望說是不是可以照著什麼樣的一個指數調整可是\n\n06:21.105 --> 06:43.628\n當時候有很多就像你講的要搭八大社福津貼下去做調整所以我覺得這個部分因為它牽扯的就是我們的一個市值的問題現在整個市值物價都往上提升所以包括我們八大社福的津貼都應該一致性的調整\n\n06:44.249 --> 07:13.303\n我覺得應該是這個樣子因為已經沒有辦法跟著上整個世代潮流的一個轉變了所以大家都站在這裡恐怖結果我們的社福今天還在一個最基本數所以這個是不對的所以我拜託部長這個部分是我們這段時間在走訪基層的時候所有農民每一個人大概都提出這樣的意見他說沒辦法我們農民就都被排掉了是\n\n07:13.903 --> 07:35.602\n馬上就被排掉了而且那是很小喔很小的一塊地喔那我們也感同身受因為我們希望是地方的發展台南的發展發展之後得給的撲阿這是相對的嘛所以我覺得這個部分拜託我們的部長多久你可以有一個方向跟我們的相關單位去討論\n\n07:36.583 --> 07:54.658\n我想我們農業部在內部的評估其實我們已經有完整的評估但是我們也提到了行政院去去做討論所以我會把我們這段時間不只您還有很多地方的聲音都有這個議題我會再跟行政院反映看看可不可以在中間啟動\n\n07:58.420 --> 08:19.867\n一定要重新啟動我個人是覺得說是應該要調整啦所以我會再跟行政院來反映再拜託啦我覺得我們也會跟院長去報告這件事情那另外就是說部長在這一次我們的特別條例特別預算裡面我們農業在這一次關稅的衝擊所編列的預算太少了吧\n\n08:20.680 --> 08:34.026\n我跟委員報告我們編列現在目前編列是181但是有一個現在比較困擾的地方就是現在的關稅32%是暫緩實施90天是以10%的基準關稅為主所以它的關稅還沒確定之下以現在10%我們覺得現在這10%裡面181是可以去支持的\n\n08:43.570 --> 09:12.689\n但是未來未來如果有調整的時候請問這個談刑是誰在定沒有你現在送出來就一百八十億啊而且部長我再跟你強調一點你還記得在第一時間發生的時候就在這個質詢台當中我就跟您就教蝴蝶蘭的問題也請你一個月要提出我們在蝴蝶蘭轉移陣地轉移基地到美國台堂基地去做這樣的一個聯盟機制\n\n09:13.671 --> 09:20.333\n打一個台灣隊打一個國家隊這個很重要但是這個部分你預算好像沒看到\n\n09:22.438 --> 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