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00:01:33,201\n因為院會裡面排的一些案子我們還是有跟有優先次序嘛我們還是有我知道我知道可是這個東西沒有沒有爭議的是不是能夠緊速的送進來我希望朝向下個下個禮拜看會排進院會然後排進院會以後我們在五月的上禮所以你也沒有信心你沒有信心下次有有好謝謝希望你要有信心我們下次排進去\n\n5\n00:01:34,122 --> 00:02:00,434\n還有我去年去到日本的時候因為疫情結束了現在觀光客都進到日本去造成日本的米荒以及日本的米價格都上漲了你認為這是一個很好的機會讓我們台灣的稻米可以出口到日本畢竟我們台灣的稻米跟日本的稻米是非常相像的就是\n\n6\n00:02:01,374 --> 00:02:12,336\n大家食用的習慣以及米的品種都非常的相似在這樣的情況下有沒有辦法促成台灣米進口到日本\n\n7\n00:02:13,338 --> 00:02:34,560\n謝謝委員的關心那的確這一年多來日本的稻米它的量不夠的時候那我們預估往年我們每一年外銷的量大概是三千多噸今年我們預估可以到一萬兩千到一萬三千噸可以足足剩下一萬噸那現在我們跟日本在談的其實日本的\n\n8\n00:02:35,581 --> 00:02:59,647\n配合跟我們增加差不多1萬噸以前只有3千多噸而已所以我想我們會努力像委員一直關心這個U值米的外銷那我們也朝這個方向來努力啦那特別是一些極端產區這次的極端產區有很多業者都跟日本有一些合約的訂購所以我們預估這個米在今年度會有比較多的外銷成長\n\n9\n00:03:00,359 --> 00:03:17,108\n因為我看到了4月25日的時候你們的胡刺有到日本去嗎還有跟一些團扇跟一些當地的米的進口的業者有進行座談嗎那我不曉得說這樣子的一個進展未來會不會加速\n\n10\n00:03:17,688 --> 00:03:43,897\n以及過去以來就是說根據WTO的規範只有開放10萬公噸的稻米想關稅的優惠那但是這個10萬公噸有沒有是各國分配不是全部都給台灣嗎那台灣只有分配到1萬公噸那這個部分有沒有辦法再增加呢我想對日本的部分一部分是\n\n11\n00:03:45,697 --> 00:04:11,665\n關稅配額內的關稅配額內的部分那其實配額外的關稅如果能夠適度的調降的話對台灣也是有機會的配額內你所謂的配額內沒有有配額嘛配額內配額內的部分它現在的總量是有管制的但是配額外它的關稅用該高關稅的方式去處理那我們希望說能夠在配額外的關稅能夠做適度的調整\n\n12\n00:04:12,325 --> 00:04:31,847\n那這樣的話我們的米的競爭力就會夠那第二個部分就算他現在關稅不調降的情況之下其實我們還有很多台灣的有機米跟U子米還是外銷到日本表示說我們加上關稅的一個價格在他的高端市場還是有潛力的\n\n13\n00:04:32,287 --> 00:04:45,636\n因為其實不只在高端市場在平價市場你看日本的米的價格5公斤是4,026日元等同大概915元左右的台幣\n\n14\n00:04:50,700 --> 00:05:08,946\n那我們目前以台灣的就是說彰化縣的米價來講平均的零售價格也在5公斤在225元左右所以日本的零售米價超市的零售米價是我們的4倍\n\n15\n00:05:10,526 --> 00:05:32,214\n對不對所以如果我們的稻米能夠輸到日本去即便有少許的關稅對於我們還是很大的利基啊是不是是我剛才說的就是說就像配合的關稅高以現在的價差來講還是有有他的一個利基所以我們現在更積極的跟國外日本的通路商在做連結\n\n16\n00:05:33,394 --> 00:05:58,407\n那這樣子連結到了以後像我們跟西武的那個西鐵的那個鐵道公司還有很多大的通路公司在合作那後續就會幫我們的像包括彰化有很多極端產區的部分我們就會將這些優質米能夠透過這個渠道進到日本市場對因為過去像這個一萬公噸的這個配額有時候是掌握在少數的日本商社手上嘛對不對\n\n17\n00:05:59,067 --> 00:06:14,833\n那一般的業者沒有辦法找到這些入口的就是要出口的這樣子的一個管道那我們要怎麼樣協助其實我們也在做就是就像您說的配額內的有一些掌握在特定的商社\n\n18\n00:06:15,473 --> 00:06:29,441\n那這些特定的商社他也有一些特定的廠商那我們也在跟他談是不是有一些是可以我們推薦一些比較優質的這些米讓他來選擇這樣的話也是另外一個機會能夠讓我們的稻米能夠外交到日本\n\n19\n00:06:30,730 --> 00:06:56,113\n還有就是過去我們台灣米進口到日本的市場我們主要都是業務用米或者是到監獄這樣子其實對於米價是沒有幫助的那未來如果我們要進口到日本的市場那我們一定要走零售的嗎一定要走高單價的通路嗎那這個部分怎麼樣子去做呢\n\n20\n00:06:56,713 --> 00:07:12,882\n不過我想這個牽涉到跟日本的通路的合作那以我們最近在談的這些稻米的部分就是因為像我們的有機就可以走高單價的那我們的U紙米像我們的一級的U紙米的部分那其實可以進到它的賣場\n\n21\n00:07:13,903 --> 00:07:32,714\n那這些賣場過往在我們在行銷我們的鳳梨的時候這些通路都已經在了所以我們現在更積極的跟現在的通路通路能夠加上一項農產品去行銷是比較快的啦所以這個部分包括鳳梨包括米的部分我想我們會積極的進到不同的通路系統去\n\n22\n00:07:33,174 --> 00:07:50,371\n但是我們還是要重塑我們自己台灣米的品牌啊是不是你要進到這種零售市場要進到這種高單價市場對於台灣米的品牌你一定要重塑不能夠讓日本的\n\n23\n00:07:50,891 --> 00:08:12,461\n這些通路認為我們就是過去的業務米啊過去的要販售給監獄的用米啊你如果沒有改變這個形象的時候我們就沒有辦法進到日本的零售市場委員非常了解就是說有一些過往銷到日本他是用類似公糧的配米出去的\n\n24\n00:08:13,101 --> 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謝謝喔 謝謝部長 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我想要請陳部長我們請部長部長好其實動保法我看到今天所有委員都非常關注行政院的版本我想要請教一下行政院的版本什麼時候會送進來\n我跟委員報告行政院我們去年8月送到行政院行政院的內部的法規會審議已經完成了那就剩最後一個階段就是要通過行政院院會就可以送立法院那我想我會盡快的跟行政院聯絡盡快的排到院會裡面去做報告以後\n你有沒有信心啊你有沒有信心真的下一次院會就可以送出來啊是不是大家都在關心嘛這個沒有什麼爭議的有非常多的條文都沒有爭議的我想我會盡量溝通在下禮拜的院會看可不可以排進去排進去完了以後就可以送出來了你有沒有去溝通啊\n因為院會裡面排的一些案子我們還是有跟有優先次序嘛我們還是有我知道我知道可是這個東西沒有沒有爭議的是不是能夠緊速的送進來我希望朝向下個下個禮拜看會排進院會然後排進院會以後我們在五月的上禮所以你也沒有信心你沒有信心下次有有好謝謝希望你要有信心我們下次排進去\n還有我去年去到日本的時候因為疫情結束了現在觀光客都進到日本去造成日本的米荒以及日本的米價格都上漲了你認為這是一個很好的機會讓我們台灣的稻米可以出口到日本畢竟我們台灣的稻米跟日本的稻米是非常相像的就是\n大家食用的習慣以及米的品種都非常的相似在這樣的情況下有沒有辦法促成台灣米進口到日本\n謝謝委員的關心那的確這一年多來日本的稻米它的量不夠的時候那我們預估往年我們每一年外銷的量大概是三千多噸今年我們預估可以到一萬兩千到一萬三千噸可以足足剩下一萬噸那現在我們跟日本在談的其實日本的\n配合跟我們增加差不多1萬噸以前只有3千多噸而已所以我想我們會努力像委員一直關心這個U值米的外銷那我們也朝這個方向來努力啦那特別是一些極端產區這次的極端產區有很多業者都跟日本有一些合約的訂購所以我們預估這個米在今年度會有比較多的外銷成長\n因為我看到了4月25日的時候你們的胡刺有到日本去嗎還有跟一些團扇跟一些當地的米的進口的業者有進行座談嗎那我不曉得說這樣子的一個進展未來會不會加速\n以及過去以來就是說根據WTO的規範只有開放10萬公噸的稻米想關稅的優惠那但是這個10萬公噸有沒有是各國分配不是全部都給台灣嗎那台灣只有分配到1萬公噸那這個部分有沒有辦法再增加呢我想對日本的部分一部分是\n關稅配額內的關稅配額內的部分那其實配額外的關稅如果能夠適度的調降的話對台灣也是有機會的配額內你所謂的配額內沒有有配額嘛配額內配額內的部分它現在的總量是有管制的但是配額外它的關稅用該高關稅的方式去處理那我們希望說能夠在配額外的關稅能夠做適度的調整\n那這樣的話我們的米的競爭力就會夠那第二個部分就算他現在關稅不調降的情況之下其實我們還有很多台灣的有機米跟U子米還是外銷到日本表示說我們加上關稅的一個價格在他的高端市場還是有潛力的\n因為其實不只在高端市場在平價市場你看日本的米的價格5公斤是4,026日元等同大概915元左右的台幣\n那我們目前以台灣的就是說彰化縣的米價來講平均的零售價格也在5公斤在225元左右所以日本的零售米價超市的零售米價是我們的4倍\n對不對所以如果我們的稻米能夠輸到日本去即便有少許的關稅對於我們還是很大的利基啊是不是是我剛才說的就是說就像配合的關稅高以現在的價差來講還是有有他的一個利基所以我們現在更積極的跟國外日本的通路商在做連結\n那這樣子連結到了以後像我們跟西武的那個西鐵的那個鐵道公司還有很多大的通路公司在合作那後續就會幫我們的像包括彰化有很多極端產區的部分我們就會將這些優質米能夠透過這個渠道進到日本市場對因為過去像這個一萬公噸的這個配額有時候是掌握在少數的日本商社手上嘛對不對\n那一般的業者沒有辦法找到這些入口的就是要出口的這樣子的一個管道那我們要怎麼樣協助其實我們也在做就是就像您說的配額內的有一些掌握在特定的商社\n那這些特定的商社他也有一些特定的廠商那我們也在跟他談是不是有一些是可以我們推薦一些比較優質的這些米讓他來選擇這樣的話也是另外一個機會能夠讓我們的稻米能夠外交到日本\n還有就是過去我們台灣米進口到日本的市場我們主要都是業務用米或者是到監獄這樣子其實對於米價是沒有幫助的那未來如果我們要進口到日本的市場那我們一定要走零售的嗎一定要走高單價的通路嗎那這個部分怎麼樣子去做呢\n不過我想這個牽涉到跟日本的通路的合作那以我們最近在談的這些稻米的部分就是因為像我們的有機就可以走高單價的那我們的U紙米像我們的一級的U紙米的部分那其實可以進到它的賣場\n那這些賣場過往在我們在行銷我們的鳳梨的時候這些通路都已經在了所以我們現在更積極的跟現在的通路通路能夠加上一項農產品去行銷是比較快的啦所以這個部分包括鳳梨包括米的部分我想我們會積極的進到不同的通路系統去\n但是我們還是要重塑我們自己台灣米的品牌啊是不是你要進到這種零售市場要進到這種高單價市場對於台灣米的品牌你一定要重塑不能夠讓日本的\n這些通路認為我們就是過去的業務米啊過去的要販售給監獄的用米啊你如果沒有改變這個形象的時候我們就沒有辦法進到日本的零售市場委員非常了解就是說有一些過往銷到日本他是用類似公糧的配米出去的\n那現在我們會重新去塑造台灣米的品質就像我們用台灣鳳梨一樣去做市場的區隔啦那這樣的話我相信後續我們台灣米的品牌能夠在日本市場就建立這個我想我們會繼續來努力好 謝謝喔 謝謝部長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.470 --> 00:28.638\n謝謝主席我想要請陳部長我們請部長部長好其實動保法我看到今天所有委員都非常關注行政院的版本我想要請教一下行政院的版本什麼時候會送進來\n\n00:31.035 --> 00:49.823\n我跟委員報告行政院我們去年8月送到行政院行政院的內部的法規會審議已經完成了那就剩最後一個階段就是要通過行政院院會就可以送立法院那我想我會盡快的跟行政院聯絡盡快的排到院會裡面去做報告以後\n\n00:50.143 --> 01:07.108\n你有沒有信心啊你有沒有信心真的下一次院會就可以送出來啊是不是大家都在關心嘛這個沒有什麼爭議的有非常多的條文都沒有爭議的我想我會盡量溝通在下禮拜的院會看可不可以排進去排進去完了以後就可以送出來了你有沒有去溝通啊\n\n01:09.178 --> 01:33.201\n因為院會裡面排的一些案子我們還是有跟有優先次序嘛我們還是有我知道我知道可是這個東西沒有沒有爭議的是不是能夠緊速的送進來我希望朝向下個下個禮拜看會排進院會然後排進院會以後我們在五月的上禮所以你也沒有信心你沒有信心下次有有好謝謝希望你要有信心我們下次排進去\n\n01:34.122 --> 02:00.434\n還有我去年去到日本的時候因為疫情結束了現在觀光客都進到日本去造成日本的米荒以及日本的米價格都上漲了你認為這是一個很好的機會讓我們台灣的稻米可以出口到日本畢竟我們台灣的稻米跟日本的稻米是非常相像的就是\n\n02:01.374 --> 02:12.336\n大家食用的習慣以及米的品種都非常的相似在這樣的情況下有沒有辦法促成台灣米進口到日本\n\n02:13.338 --> 02:34.560\n謝謝委員的關心那的確這一年多來日本的稻米它的量不夠的時候那我們預估往年我們每一年外銷的量大概是三千多噸今年我們預估可以到一萬兩千到一萬三千噸可以足足剩下一萬噸那現在我們跟日本在談的其實日本的\n\n02:35.581 --> 02:59.647\n配合跟我們增加差不多1萬噸以前只有3千多噸而已所以我想我們會努力像委員一直關心這個U值米的外銷那我們也朝這個方向來努力啦那特別是一些極端產區這次的極端產區有很多業者都跟日本有一些合約的訂購所以我們預估這個米在今年度會有比較多的外銷成長\n\n03:00.359 --> 03:17.108\n因為我看到了4月25日的時候你們的胡刺有到日本去嗎還有跟一些團扇跟一些當地的米的進口的業者有進行座談嗎那我不曉得說這樣子的一個進展未來會不會加速\n\n03:17.688 --> 03:43.897\n以及過去以來就是說根據WTO的規範只有開放10萬公噸的稻米想關稅的優惠那但是這個10萬公噸有沒有是各國分配不是全部都給台灣嗎那台灣只有分配到1萬公噸那這個部分有沒有辦法再增加呢我想對日本的部分一部分是\n\n03:45.697 --> 04:11.665\n關稅配額內的關稅配額內的部分那其實配額外的關稅如果能夠適度的調降的話對台灣也是有機會的配額內你所謂的配額內沒有有配額嘛配額內配額內的部分它現在的總量是有管制的但是配額外它的關稅用該高關稅的方式去處理那我們希望說能夠在配額外的關稅能夠做適度的調整\n\n04:12.325 --> 04:31.847\n那這樣的話我們的米的競爭力就會夠那第二個部分就算他現在關稅不調降的情況之下其實我們還有很多台灣的有機米跟U子米還是外銷到日本表示說我們加上關稅的一個價格在他的高端市場還是有潛力的\n\n04:32.287 --> 04:45.636\n因為其實不只在高端市場在平價市場你看日本的米的價格5公斤是4,026日元等同大概915元左右的台幣\n\n04:50.700 --> 05:08.946\n那我們目前以台灣的就是說彰化縣的米價來講平均的零售價格也在5公斤在225元左右所以日本的零售米價超市的零售米價是我們的4倍\n\n05:10.526 --> 05:32.214\n對不對所以如果我們的稻米能夠輸到日本去即便有少許的關稅對於我們還是很大的利基啊是不是是我剛才說的就是說就像配合的關稅高以現在的價差來講還是有有他的一個利基所以我們現在更積極的跟國外日本的通路商在做連結\n\n05:33.394 --> 05:58.407\n那這樣子連結到了以後像我們跟西武的那個西鐵的那個鐵道公司還有很多大的通路公司在合作那後續就會幫我們的像包括彰化有很多極端產區的部分我們就會將這些優質米能夠透過這個渠道進到日本市場對因為過去像這個一萬公噸的這個配額有時候是掌握在少數的日本商社手上嘛對不對\n\n05:59.067 --> 06:14.833\n那一般的業者沒有辦法找到這些入口的就是要出口的這樣子的一個管道那我們要怎麼樣協助其實我們也在做就是就像您說的配額內的有一些掌握在特定的商社\n\n06:15.473 --> 06:29.441\n那這些特定的商社他也有一些特定的廠商那我們也在跟他談是不是有一些是可以我們推薦一些比較優質的這些米讓他來選擇這樣的話也是另外一個機會能夠讓我們的稻米能夠外交到日本\n\n06:30.730 --> 06:56.113\n還有就是過去我們台灣米進口到日本的市場我們主要都是業務用米或者是到監獄這樣子其實對於米價是沒有幫助的那未來如果我們要進口到日本的市場那我們一定要走零售的嗎一定要走高單價的通路嗎那這個部分怎麼樣子去做呢\n\n06:56.713 --> 07:12.882\n不過我想這個牽涉到跟日本的通路的合作那以我們最近在談的這些稻米的部分就是因為像我們的有機就可以走高單價的那我們的U紙米像我們的一級的U紙米的部分那其實可以進到它的賣場\n\n07:13.903 --> 07:32.714\n那這些賣場過往在我們在行銷我們的鳳梨的時候這些通路都已經在了所以我們現在更積極的跟現在的通路通路能夠加上一項農產品去行銷是比較快的啦所以這個部分包括鳳梨包括米的部分我想我們會積極的進到不同的通路系統去\n\n07:33.174 --> 07:50.371\n但是我們還是要重塑我們自己台灣米的品牌啊是不是你要進到這種零售市場要進到這種高單價市場對於台灣米的品牌你一定要重塑不能夠讓日本的\n\n07:50.891 --> 08:12.461\n這些通路認為我們就是過去的業務米啊過去的要販售給監獄的用米啊你如果沒有改變這個形象的時候我們就沒有辦法進到日本的零售市場委員非常了解就是說有一些過往銷到日本他是用類似公糧的配米出去的\n\n08:13.101 --> 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等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」案；十、本院委員李坤城等\n22人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十一、本院委員廖先翔等19人擬具「動物保護法\n部分條文修正草案」案；十二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；\n十三、本院委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十四、本院委員郭昱晴\n等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十五、本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「動物保護\n法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案；十六、本院委員陳亭妃等18人擬具「動物保\n護法第五條、第二十條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案；十七、本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「動\n物保護法部分條文修正草案」案；十八、本院委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正\n草案」案；十九、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二條及第五條條文修正草案」案；二\n十、本院委員游顥等23人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之一條文修正草案」案；二十一、本院委\n員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」案；二十二、本院委員葉元之等17人擬\n具「動物保護法增訂第十四條之三條文草案」案；二十三、本院委員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保\n護法第二十五條條文修正草案」案；二十四、本院委員葉元之等17人擬具「動物保護法第二十五\n條之二條文修正草案」案；二十五、本院委員蘇巧慧等 17 人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草\n案」案；二十六、本院委員吳沛憶等17 人擬具「動物保護法第二十二條之四條文修正草案」案\n（詢答）","agenda_id":"1144501_00004"}}}