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00:01:13,130\n那這一類的這個預算的三減可能有會帶來一個無法彌補的一些文物的這個受損的一個傷害那這個部分我想請教一下下就是說不管是在我們的空調照明\n\n5\n00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:43,377\n以及這個用水集中在這個展場跟庫房的一些區域這水電的需求是一定都一年比一年多我們可以從這張表格看到從111年度一直到113年度它這個電費的部分呢我們其實都是在往上漲的那這個部分因為我們的預算被刪減現在文物是不是有可能會面臨所謂的高風險被損壞的可能如果這些文物如果有\n\n6\n00:01:43,857 --> 00:02:04,863\n劣質化的一個狀況請問這個責任到底是誰來擔那另外呢其實故宮也是深具這個指標性的國際級的一個博物館如果連這種所謂的基礎的設施的運作最低的門檻我們都沒有辦法得到水電經費的足額的一個支持有沒有可能會\n\n7\n00:02:06,984 --> 00:02:13,712\n影響到我們這個修復的計畫的推進或者是環境監控的設備的一個更新甚至長遠來看影響到國際當中的生育跟標準院長怎麼看\n\n8\n00:02:20,181 --> 00:02:34,951\n跟委員報告我還是要跟大會跟所有的民眾就是做一個承諾故宮的既定的展場跟庫房所有的運作我們都會繼續維持這個部分不變\n\n9\n00:02:37,393 --> 00:02:59,869\n那當然經費不足我剛剛已經講過就是我們的結算數已經超過預算數不足的話它會用流用的方式那這也是不得已的一個方式那流用的推廣教育的經費我們會去尋求另外的資源來支持那有一點就是可能也是不得已的就是說本來我們的第二展覽館北院第二展覽館\n\n10\n00:03:01,536 --> 00:03:26,263\n在六月份的那個大都會的展覽之後我們本來要接著有接續性的展覽所以坦白講我現在技術性把它移到十二月底就是說那這樣的話起碼就是我有三個月的時間的話那個電影會可以準決下來所以第二展覽館的話可能大都會展覽結束之後就是會到年底才會\n\n11\n00:03:26,983 --> 00:03:46,981\n正式啟用所以這個是一個不得已的一個調控的一個措施所以現在已經在開始做調控的一個方法包含我們的這個國外的展覽等等展覽的部分絕對不會影響正常的展覽跟庫房的保存維護絕對不會影響我在這邊做保證\n\n12\n00:03:47,782 --> 00:03:57,724\n好那我們再來看一下如果在預算緊縮的狀況剛剛其實有提到就是我們的國外的展覽的部分其實也會面臨挑戰這個部分應該也是會面臨挑戰因為我們原列這個預算數是297萬5千元刪減了178萬等於是預算被刪減到60%那我想呢這個故宮今年不僅僅是要從這個日方\n\n13\n00:04:13,987 --> 00:04:38,099\n東京富士美術館以及九州國立博物館等等要介入一些比較重量級的一些作品那我們也會分三批到法國跟捷克來做出展的一個這樣子的一個動作那在人力的部分我們當然會希望能夠要求就是有專業的人力的一個往返用比較高標準的人力的一個資源\n\n14\n00:04:39,299 --> 00:04:59,505\n現在有沒有可能也因為這個部分受到嚴重的一個挑戰那我還記得其實在去年這個我相信這個在野黨的委員他們到這個捷克去拼外交的時候其實對於我們的這個故宮的文化走出去其實他們是非常非常讚譽有加的那當然也信誓旦旦的說絕對會這個我們的國寶要出國展覽的時候也會有專人來做這樣子的一個保護的人力的資源的一個支\n\n15\n00:05:07,427 --> 00:05:25,545\n就是幫助就是有專人來做這樣往返但是現在現今我們是不是有可能會面臨所謂的這個出國的預算被刪減而受到的影響那另外還有一個就是我們的南院的部分馬來西亞的藝術樂屆展的一個活動\n\n16\n00:05:27,987 --> 00:05:44,922\n那我們跟這個故宮來做所知那但是故宮回覆給我們的是說預算數被面臨中斷那這個部分也會就是因為在我們的文化的部分可能在展覽的部分也會受到影響這個部分院長怎麼看\n\n17\n00:05:49,225 --> 00:06:06,376\n就是我剛講的就是捷克跟華國的基本上來講的話這是一個重大的國際交流活動所以我們的經費完全都會控管保留所以不會有影響那其他的部分的話譬如說我們跟那個千年神\n\n18\n00:06:07,617 --> 00:06:28,577\n就是那個西安雅琪的話跟東博借的兩件產品然後跟那個Snyder借的產品基本上來講的話依照國際的借產慣例的話都要親自去押印所以這個部分的話當然就是說我們會尋求不同的資源來支援因為我們幾乎把故宮原來庫存的贊助款\n\n19\n00:06:29,358 --> 00:06:46,069\n都掏空了現在等於還是要跟外面去尋求因為押運的往返其實也是需要專業的人力那如果說在人力的配置上其實我們是普通的話那是不是在僅有的人力他們也會因為\n\n20\n00:06:47,670 --> 00:07:11,803\n比较辛苦工作的时间比较长另外跟我们报告的确有一个展览现在受到影响就是马来西亚因为马来西亚原来的届展单位比较多但是因为有一部分都还没有签合约所以基本上来讲的话有些届展工作的话可能我们就停下来然后跟中研院跟台博馆跟台史博跟国内的\n\n21\n00:07:13,704 --> 00:07:22,432\n史前博物館我們是借相關的展品就是說我們就放棄跟國外借展展品然後用國內的展品來所以這個展覽的確是有影響其他的話已經既定的簽約的我們保證絕對都不受影響的確的確這應該要想辦法那另外其實\n\n22\n00:07:33,482 --> 00:07:38,165\n院長其實今年初也表示另外要找經費讓這些活動盡量影響的層面要縮小我們要關切的是故宮慶三年從111年度到113年度接受捐贈的收入是掛零如果以這樣子的部分來看\n\n23\n00:07:56,135 --> 00:08:23,393\n故宮現行接受外界捐贈的這個處理要點已經明定了所謂的回饋的一個機制像是所謂的這個展覽的廣告露出那另外呢還有是開幕的酒會等等但事實上這樣子的一個制度有效轉為實際捐贈的成果這個上面我們看到的是零跟這個台博館還有我們的國立歷史博物館其實他們的這些數據來相比較的話這個掛零是真的沒有這方面的\n\n24\n00:08:25,038 --> 00:08:28,332\n這個捐贈的成果還是說我們沒有把這個成果登錄進去\n\n25\n00:08:29,921 --> 00:08:58,492\n根文報告因為這些必須要報行政院然後送立完被查然後也會在網站上登錄我想這個部分的話我請同仁再確認一下因為事實上現在同仁給我的資料有111年112年113年都有監證的金額而且都有單位好那再把確定的數字給我們辦公室好嗎因為我們去看的時候其實我們看到上面是零\n\n26\n00:08:59,272 --> 00:09:24,295\n那另外的話就是這一次的那個大美不言的話因為他把所有的那個經費都投入到那個投入到那個展場的設施所以並沒有所謂的回饋但是大都會的展覽的話因為我們跟十一多媒體合作的話他基本上來講的話他就有一定的基本的回饋然後跟他的售票的定額回饋這個部分的話我們有在處理\n\n27\n00:09:24,995 --> 00:09:42,419\n我們當然也希望這個故宮要主動的去規劃跟行銷還有媒合的一些機制然後來吸引更多的一些企業的這方面的一個贊助跟支持然後讓我們的整個所有的故宮不管是在文化的推廣在國際的推廣當中其實我們可以看到讓世界也看到\n\n28\n00:09:42,819 --> 00:10:12,139\n我們故宮的一個努力跟委員再補充一下就是其實我們有一些經會的話譬如說我們跟那個龍山寺合作它是那個龍宮傳奇就是讓弱勢偏鄉族群的小朋友到故宮來參訪那這個經會的話是直接用在那個幫助小朋友來的車會住宿什麼所以它不會列為單純的一個監證金額放在裡面了解了解好那正確的數字再麻煩提供給我們辦公室是好謝謝院長謝謝主席謝謝\n\n29\n00:10:14,130 --> 00:10:15,077\n谢谢郭玉清\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n630\t9725\t請郭育晴委員質詢好 謝謝主席 有請院長請院長備質詢 謝謝\n16247\t24055\t院長早安 院長在1月底的時候有提到預算被刪減之後其實對故宮的營運也帶來一些直接的影響尤其是在文物的保存 還有國際展覽合作的部分我們就來看一下 原列預算數是1億345萬4千元後來刪減大概是一成\n39210\t58462\t我們知道這個文物的保存其實非常重要的就在於它的不管是溫度也好濕度的一個控管也好那這個部分其實也仰賴了很大的一個電力包含電費的部分但是現在我們這個部分可能已經被刪減了那我想包含比較容易受到環境影響的文物像是青銅器等等\n59002\t73130\t那這一類的這個預算的三減可能有會帶來一個無法彌補的一些文物的這個受損的一個傷害那這個部分我想請教一下下就是說不管是在我們的空調照明\n74190\t103377\t以及這個用水集中在這個展場跟庫房的一些區域這水電的需求是一定都一年比一年多我們可以從這張表格看到從111年度一直到113年度它這個電費的部分呢我們其實都是在往上漲的那這個部分因為我們的預算被刪減現在文物是不是有可能會面臨所謂的高風險被損壞的可能如果這些文物如果有\n103857\t124863\t劣質化的一個狀況請問這個責任到底是誰來擔那另外呢其實故宮也是深具這個指標性的國際級的一個博物館如果連這種所謂的基礎的設施的運作最低的門檻我們都沒有辦法得到水電經費的足額的一個支持有沒有可能會\n126984\t133712\t影響到我們這個修復的計畫的推進或者是環境監控的設備的一個更新甚至長遠來看影響到國際當中的生育跟標準院長怎麼看\n140181\t154951\t跟委員報告我還是要跟大會跟所有的民眾就是做一個承諾故宮的既定的展場跟庫房所有的運作我們都會繼續維持這個部分不變\n157393\t179869\t那當然經費不足 我剛剛已經講過 就是我們的結算數已經超過預算數不足的話 它會用流用的方式 那這也是不得已的一個方式那流用的推廣教育的經費 我們會去尋求另外的資源來支持那有一點就是可能也是不得已的 就是說本來我們的第二展覽館 北院第二展覽館\n181536\t206263\t在六月份的那個大都會的展覽之後我們本來要接著有接續性的展覽所以坦白講我現在技術性把它移到十二月底就是說那這樣的話起碼就是我有三個月的時間的話那個電影會可以準決下來所以第二展覽館的話可能大都會展覽結束之後就是會到年底才會\n206983\t226981\t正式啟用 所以這個是一個不得已的一個調控的一個措施所以現在已經在開始做調控的一個方法包含我們的這個國外的展覽等等展覽的部分絕對不會影響 正常的展覽跟庫房的保存維護絕對不會影響 我在這邊做保證\n227782\t237724\t好那我們再來看一下如果在預算緊縮的狀況剛剛其實有提到就是我們的國外的展覽的部分其實也會面臨挑戰這個部分應該也是會面臨挑戰因為我們原列這個預算數是297萬5千元刪減了178萬等於是預算被刪減到60%那我想呢這個故宮今年不僅僅是要從這個日方\n253987\t278099\t東京富士美術館以及九州國立博物館等等要介入一些比較重量級的一些作品那我們也會分三批到法國跟捷克來做出展的一個這樣子的一個動作那在人力的部分我們當然會希望能夠要求就是有專業的人力的一個往返用比較高標準的人力的一個資源\n279299\t299505\t現在有沒有可能也因為這個部分受到嚴重的一個挑戰那我還記得其實在去年這個我相信這個在野黨的委員他們到這個捷克去拼外交的時候其實對於我們的這個故宮的文化走出去其實他們是非常非常讚譽有加的那當然也信誓旦旦的說絕對會這個我們的國寶要出國展覽的時候也會有專人來做這樣子的一個保護的人力的資源的一個支\n307427\t325545\t就是幫助就是有專人來做這樣往返但是現在現今我們是不是有可能會面臨所謂的這個出國的預算被刪減而受到的影響那另外還有一個就是我們的南院的部分馬來西亞的藝術樂屆展的一個活動\n327987\t344922\t那我們跟這個故宮來做所知那但是故宮回覆給我們的是說預算數被面臨中斷那這個部分也會就是因為在我們的文化的部分可能在展覽的部分也會受到影響這個部分院長怎麼看\n349225\t366376\t就是我剛講的就是捷克跟華國的基本上來講的話這是一個重大的國際交流活動所以我們的經費完全都會控管保留所以不會有影響那其他的部分的話譬如說我們跟那個千年神\n367617\t388577\t就是那個西安雅琪的話 跟東博借的兩件產品然後跟那個Snyder借的產品基本上來講的話 依照國際的借產慣例的話都要親自去押印所以這個部分的話 當然就是說我們會尋求不同的資源來支援因為我們幾乎把故宮原來庫存的贊助款\n389358\t406069\t都掏空了現在等於還是要跟外面去尋求因為押運的往返其實也是需要專業的人力那如果說在人力的配置上其實我們是普通的話那是不是在僅有的人力他們也會因為\n407670\t431803\t比较辛苦工作的时间比较长另外跟我们报告的确有一个展览现在受到影响就是马来西亚因为马来西亚原来的届展单位比较多但是因为有一部分都还没有签合约所以基本上来讲的话有些届展工作的话可能我们就停下来然后跟中研院跟台博馆跟台史博跟国内的\n433704\t442432\t史前博物館我們是借相關的展品就是說我們就放棄跟國外借展展品然後用國內的展品來所以這個展覽的確是有影響其他的話已經既定的簽約的我們保證絕對都不受影響的確的確 這應該要想辦法那另外其實\n453482\t458165\t院長其實今年初也表示另外要找經費讓這些活動盡量影響的層面要縮小我們要關切的是故宮慶三年從111年度到113年度接受捐贈的收入是掛零如果以這樣子的部分來看\n476135\t503393\t故宮現行接受外界捐贈的這個處理要點已經明定了所謂的回饋的一個機制像是所謂的這個展覽的廣告露出那另外呢還有是開幕的酒會等等但事實上這樣子的一個制度有效轉為實際捐贈的成果這個上面我們看到的是零跟這個台博館還有我們的國立歷史博物館其實他們的這些數據來相比較的話這個掛零是真的沒有這方面的\n505038\t508332\t這個捐贈的成果還是說我們沒有把這個成果登錄進去\n509921\t538492\t根文報告因為這些必須要報行政院然後送立完被查然後也會在網站上登錄我想這個部分的話我請同仁再確認一下因為事實上現在同仁給我的資料有111年112年113年都有監證的金額而且都有單位好那再把確定的數字給我們辦公室好嗎因為我們去看的時候其實我們看到上面是零\n539272\t564295\t那另外的話就是這一次的那個大美不言的話因為他把所有的那個經費都投入到那個投入到那個展場的設施所以並沒有所謂的回饋但是大都會的展覽的話因為我們跟十一多媒體合作的話他基本上來講的話他就有一定的基本的回饋然後跟他的售票的定額回饋這個部分的話我們有在處理\n564995\t582419\t我們當然也希望這個故宮要主動的去規劃跟行銷還有媒合的一些機制然後來吸引更多的一些企業的這方面的一個贊助跟支持然後讓我們的整個所有的故宮不管是在文化的推廣在國際的推廣當中其實我們可以看到讓世界也看到\n582819\t612139\t我們故宮的一個努力跟委員再補充一下就是其實我們有一些經會的話譬如說我們跟那個龍山寺合作它是那個龍宮傳奇就是讓弱勢偏鄉族群的小朋友到故宮來參訪那這個經會的話是直接用在那個幫助小朋友來的車會住宿什麼所以它不會列為單純的一個監證金額放在裡面了解了解好 那正確的數字再麻煩提供給我們辦公室是好 謝謝院長 謝謝主席 謝謝\n614130\t615077\t谢谢郭玉清\n","txt":"請郭育晴委員質詢好 謝謝主席 有請院長請院長備質詢 謝謝\n院長早安 院長在1月底的時候有提到預算被刪減之後其實對故宮的營運也帶來一些直接的影響尤其是在文物的保存 還有國際展覽合作的部分我們就來看一下 原列預算數是1億345萬4千元後來刪減大概是一成\n我們知道這個文物的保存其實非常重要的就在於它的不管是溫度也好濕度的一個控管也好那這個部分其實也仰賴了很大的一個電力包含電費的部分但是現在我們這個部分可能已經被刪減了那我想包含比較容易受到環境影響的文物像是青銅器等等\n那這一類的這個預算的三減可能有會帶來一個無法彌補的一些文物的這個受損的一個傷害那這個部分我想請教一下下就是說不管是在我們的空調照明\n以及這個用水集中在這個展場跟庫房的一些區域這水電的需求是一定都一年比一年多我們可以從這張表格看到從111年度一直到113年度它這個電費的部分呢我們其實都是在往上漲的那這個部分因為我們的預算被刪減現在文物是不是有可能會面臨所謂的高風險被損壞的可能如果這些文物如果有\n劣質化的一個狀況請問這個責任到底是誰來擔那另外呢其實故宮也是深具這個指標性的國際級的一個博物館如果連這種所謂的基礎的設施的運作最低的門檻我們都沒有辦法得到水電經費的足額的一個支持有沒有可能會\n影響到我們這個修復的計畫的推進或者是環境監控的設備的一個更新甚至長遠來看影響到國際當中的生育跟標準院長怎麼看\n跟委員報告我還是要跟大會跟所有的民眾就是做一個承諾故宮的既定的展場跟庫房所有的運作我們都會繼續維持這個部分不變\n那當然經費不足 我剛剛已經講過 就是我們的結算數已經超過預算數不足的話 它會用流用的方式 那這也是不得已的一個方式那流用的推廣教育的經費 我們會去尋求另外的資源來支持那有一點就是可能也是不得已的 就是說本來我們的第二展覽館 北院第二展覽館\n在六月份的那個大都會的展覽之後我們本來要接著有接續性的展覽所以坦白講我現在技術性把它移到十二月底就是說那這樣的話起碼就是我有三個月的時間的話那個電影會可以準決下來所以第二展覽館的話可能大都會展覽結束之後就是會到年底才會\n正式啟用 所以這個是一個不得已的一個調控的一個措施所以現在已經在開始做調控的一個方法包含我們的這個國外的展覽等等展覽的部分絕對不會影響 正常的展覽跟庫房的保存維護絕對不會影響 我在這邊做保證\n好那我們再來看一下如果在預算緊縮的狀況剛剛其實有提到就是我們的國外的展覽的部分其實也會面臨挑戰這個部分應該也是會面臨挑戰因為我們原列這個預算數是297萬5千元刪減了178萬等於是預算被刪減到60%那我想呢這個故宮今年不僅僅是要從這個日方\n東京富士美術館以及九州國立博物館等等要介入一些比較重量級的一些作品那我們也會分三批到法國跟捷克來做出展的一個這樣子的一個動作那在人力的部分我們當然會希望能夠要求就是有專業的人力的一個往返用比較高標準的人力的一個資源\n現在有沒有可能也因為這個部分受到嚴重的一個挑戰那我還記得其實在去年這個我相信這個在野黨的委員他們到這個捷克去拼外交的時候其實對於我們的這個故宮的文化走出去其實他們是非常非常讚譽有加的那當然也信誓旦旦的說絕對會這個我們的國寶要出國展覽的時候也會有專人來做這樣子的一個保護的人力的資源的一個支\n就是幫助就是有專人來做這樣往返但是現在現今我們是不是有可能會面臨所謂的這個出國的預算被刪減而受到的影響那另外還有一個就是我們的南院的部分馬來西亞的藝術樂屆展的一個活動\n那我們跟這個故宮來做所知那但是故宮回覆給我們的是說預算數被面臨中斷那這個部分也會就是因為在我們的文化的部分可能在展覽的部分也會受到影響這個部分院長怎麼看\n就是我剛講的就是捷克跟華國的基本上來講的話這是一個重大的國際交流活動所以我們的經費完全都會控管保留所以不會有影響那其他的部分的話譬如說我們跟那個千年神\n就是那個西安雅琪的話 跟東博借的兩件產品然後跟那個Snyder借的產品基本上來講的話 依照國際的借產慣例的話都要親自去押印所以這個部分的話 當然就是說我們會尋求不同的資源來支援因為我們幾乎把故宮原來庫存的贊助款\n都掏空了現在等於還是要跟外面去尋求因為押運的往返其實也是需要專業的人力那如果說在人力的配置上其實我們是普通的話那是不是在僅有的人力他們也會因為\n比较辛苦工作的时间比较长另外跟我们报告的确有一个展览现在受到影响就是马来西亚因为马来西亚原来的届展单位比较多但是因为有一部分都还没有签合约所以基本上来讲的话有些届展工作的话可能我们就停下来然后跟中研院跟台博馆跟台史博跟国内的\n史前博物館我們是借相關的展品就是說我們就放棄跟國外借展展品然後用國內的展品來所以這個展覽的確是有影響其他的話已經既定的簽約的我們保證絕對都不受影響的確的確 這應該要想辦法那另外其實\n院長其實今年初也表示另外要找經費讓這些活動盡量影響的層面要縮小我們要關切的是故宮慶三年從111年度到113年度接受捐贈的收入是掛零如果以這樣子的部分來看\n故宮現行接受外界捐贈的這個處理要點已經明定了所謂的回饋的一個機制像是所謂的這個展覽的廣告露出那另外呢還有是開幕的酒會等等但事實上這樣子的一個制度有效轉為實際捐贈的成果這個上面我們看到的是零跟這個台博館還有我們的國立歷史博物館其實他們的這些數據來相比較的話這個掛零是真的沒有這方面的\n這個捐贈的成果還是說我們沒有把這個成果登錄進去\n根文報告因為這些必須要報行政院然後送立完被查然後也會在網站上登錄我想這個部分的話我請同仁再確認一下因為事實上現在同仁給我的資料有111年112年113年都有監證的金額而且都有單位好那再把確定的數字給我們辦公室好嗎因為我們去看的時候其實我們看到上面是零\n那另外的話就是這一次的那個大美不言的話因為他把所有的那個經費都投入到那個投入到那個展場的設施所以並沒有所謂的回饋但是大都會的展覽的話因為我們跟十一多媒體合作的話他基本上來講的話他就有一定的基本的回饋然後跟他的售票的定額回饋這個部分的話我們有在處理\n我們當然也希望這個故宮要主動的去規劃跟行銷還有媒合的一些機制然後來吸引更多的一些企業的這方面的一個贊助跟支持然後讓我們的整個所有的故宮不管是在文化的推廣在國際的推廣當中其實我們可以看到讓世界也看到\n我們故宮的一個努力跟委員再補充一下就是其實我們有一些經會的話譬如說我們跟那個龍山寺合作它是那個龍宮傳奇就是讓弱勢偏鄉族群的小朋友到故宮來參訪那這個經會的話是直接用在那個幫助小朋友來的車會住宿什麼所以它不會列為單純的一個監證金額放在裡面了解了解好 那正確的數字再麻煩提供給我們辦公室是好 謝謝院長 謝謝主席 謝謝\n谢谢郭玉清\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.630 --> 00:09.725\n請郭育晴委員質詢好謝謝主席有請院長請院長備質詢謝謝\n\n00:16.247 --> 00:24.055\n院長早安院長在1月底的時候有提到預算被刪減之後其實對故宮的營運也帶來一些直接的影響尤其是在文物的保存還有國際展覽合作的部分我們就來看一下原列預算數是1億345萬4千元後來刪減大概是一成\n\n00:39.210 --> 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