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00:00:40,676\n今天張偉排了這個議程不管是藍綠白的委員大家都非常的關心而且都提案方向大家的凝聚力共同點也都是朝大概這個方向所以本期要請教那麼我們院版什麼時候會送到立法院來\n\n3\n00:00:41,576 --> 00:01:05,171\n因為你們從去年八月份的時候本席也在經濟委員會一再跟你討論這個議題所以我們也希望在草野都能夠去惠及真正對社會有幫助而且保護我們這些的動物所以在這種情況之下請教從去年八月你們到底什麼社會送來\n\n4\n00:01:06,204 --> 00:01:32,852\n我剛才特別提到就是我們現在只差院會通過以後就可以送立法院那我回去我可以跟行政院做溝通明天是禮拜四啊院會啊下禮拜四我說下禮拜四進到院會院會完以後就可以送到立法院來所以我希望說在五月的上旬下個禮拜四可以送進去院會這個可以我想跟行政院那邊溝通一下\n\n5\n00:01:33,837 --> 00:01:56,371\n排進去到下個禮拜的院會裡有這個信心下個禮拜是送到有喔你這個有一個微笑所以我們現在要請教那大家既然共識點都很雷同那請問從去年8月到現在你們終於說下個禮拜是要送到院會裡頭充分的溝通你改變了哪些\n\n6\n00:01:57,511 --> 00:02:25,177\n來請做說明特別剛才跟委員講就是在111年上次修正是110年那110年修正完以後我們發現幾個很重要的事情事主的責任還有虐殺動物有沒有還有就是虐待動物的部分那個事件層出不窮但是我們的法本身並沒有很明確的管理還有一些棄養的動作棄養的那個事件的定義也不明確所以我們這一次經過了\n\n7\n00:02:26,397 --> 00:02:41,697\n一些溝通以外針對事主的責任經過動物保護強化的部分還有寵物的一些管理的部分另外就是動保檢查人員也要有一些執法的權利所以針對這幾項我們去做一些修法的一些安排\n\n8\n00:02:41,957 --> 00:03:00,249\n那這個你們主要的這四大方向呢跟我們藍綠白的委員提案大家都有一致的這個方向那所以本席繼續來跟你討論也就是說惡意傷害動物自死自傷的事件陳榮銘剛才說的是屢屢發生那引發社會高度的一個公憤但是我們現在動保法的規定裡頭對於虐待動物的認定標準過於嚴苛\n\n9\n00:03:10,575 --> 00:03:34,909\n常常出現了很明顯的虐待但是沒有辦法去定罪的這個情況它不但打擊了你們執法單位的士氣而且也嚴重的損害了動物保護的這個精神所以本席要請教部長本席所提出的動保法第25條及25條之一的修法方向那您是否支持請說明\n\n10\n00:03:36,219 --> 00:03:58,786\n我們絕對支持非常感謝你的絕對支持那麼我們就繼續討論原本必須要複數動物死亡才能夠處罰的這個限制將這個複數必須要刪除因為本席在提案說明的時候也特別說傷害就是傷害凌虐就是凌虐怎麼還要到複數以上呢\n\n11\n00:03:59,726 --> 00:04:17,561\n請做說明委員報告喔你不是這邊說的你這邊就說了對本席非常複視所以我們這次就把那個複數把它槓掉了同意槓掉好我們有一個共識接下來本席要講將暴力或者是私有其他凌虐方式致動物死亡的這個行為明確納入重法的規範您的看法\n\n12\n00:04:23,148 --> 00:04:26,390\n好這一個同意接下來我要再請教對於傷害至器官損傷或者是死亡情節重大的案件罰則也要加重因為你原先是要將動物的器官要喪屍耶這個太嚴苛了它已經損傷了\n\n13\n00:04:46,570 --> 00:04:59,498\n本來就應當要罰贊成嗎將喪屍改為損傷我們現在已經加重刑罰了對一定要加重刑罰你也同意修正這樣子的一個條文好這個非常的感謝終於聽到這個行政部門對本席的提案部長你這邊全力的來支持所以我們希望這個罰則加重了就是\n\n14\n00:05:13,359 --> 00:05:36,546\n整個社會的一個期待那真正的也要發揮一個嚇阻的這個功效本身認為作為文明的社會他不應當讓虐待動物者輕易脫罪應該要比照美國跟日本這些國家來提高虐待動物的刑責以及這個罰金才是真正的能夠遏阻這些的惡行\n\n15\n00:05:39,947 --> 00:05:58,860\n也能夠保障我們整個保護動物的這個精神讓這個飼主以及動物應有的權益都能夠受到保障那我們就期待我們希望盡速的在你下個禮拜四送進院會的行政院版趕快送到立法院我們完成的這個法案這個\n\n16\n00:06:00,501 --> 00:06:05,722\n接下來本席要跟你討論的我們犬貓的登記到目前為止是有222萬隻其中犬的部分是140萬隻貓的部分是82萬隻但是我們看到寵物相關的產業它的銷售額它已經達到387.3億那可以顯示出我們的寵物市場的規模是龐大而且日日在增加隨著市場的發展\n\n17\n00:06:29,127 --> 00:06:47,062\n那事主對於寵物食品的品質與安全的要求越來越嚴格本席也數次跟你討論過這個議題我們要吃的健康我們的寵物更應該他的食品的來源更應該要讓他健康那本席也看到你們在4月24號針對於寵物食品中的重金屬\n\n18\n00:06:51,886 --> 00:07:03,414\n跟黴菌的毒素的容許標準做了調整來確保整個產品的安全性所以因此本席要來跟您討論的也就是說\n\n19\n00:07:05,134 --> 00:07:32,797\n你們在這樣的一個情況之下呢本項請教4月22號的公佈這是非常好的一個起點但是你們要怎麼樣去確保這些新標準在市場上有效的來落實而且他是必須要有一個有效的監管跟查核機制才能夠讓這些製造商呢他能夠有所均衡請教\n\n20\n00:07:34,844 --> 00:07:53,187\n跟委員報告您這邊所提到的那個犬隻的隻數貓特別快這是在去年年底的現在兩個加起來已經是251萬隻了很好而且會陸續增加會增加那第二個部分就是我們針對我們提出來的這些那個寵物食品的那個對\n\n21\n00:07:54,068 --> 00:08:12,205\n那個有害物質跟我們會加強抽測過去我們大概是四五百件我們會再加強這個抽測的比例然後同時每一次的抽測完了以後我們就會公佈我們用公佈的方式讓本商有警惕啦\n\n22\n00:08:12,925 --> 00:08:35,846\n對所以這個部分我想我們可能會更加強然後針對寵物業者現在寵物業者大概有三千多家的寵物業者寵物食品業者的部分有大概八萬多件的寵物食品我們也會同步的加強這些抽測包括進口的也是一樣加強抽測同時你也要加強宣導讓這個公布呢讓大家都知道我們要一起\n\n23\n00:08:36,366 --> 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邀請部長陳部長國會好\n今天張偉排了這個議程不管是藍綠白的委員大家都非常的關心而且都提案方向大家的凝聚力共同點也都是朝大概這個方向所以本期要請教那麼我們院版什麼時候會送到立法院來\n因為你們從去年八月份的時候本席也在經濟委員會 一再跟你討論這個議題所以我們也希望在草野都能夠去惠及真正對社會有幫助而且保護我們這些的動物所以在這種情況之下請教從去年八月你們到底什麼社會送來\n我剛才特別提到就是我們現在只差院會通過以後就可以送立法院那我回去我可以跟行政院做溝通明天是禮拜四啊 院會啊下禮拜四我說下禮拜四進到院會院會完以後就可以送到立法院來所以我希望說在五月的上旬下個禮拜四可以送進去院會這個可以 我想跟行政院那邊溝通一下\n排進去到下個禮拜的院會裡有這個信心下個禮拜是送到有喔你這個有一個微笑所以我們現在要請教那大家既然共識點都很雷同那請問從去年8月到現在你們終於說下個禮拜是要送到院會裡頭充分的溝通你改變了哪些\n來 請做說明特別剛才跟委員講就是在111年上次修正是110年那110年修正完以後我們發現幾個很重要的事情事主的責任還有虐殺動物有沒有還有就是虐待動物的部分那個事件層出不窮但是我們的法本身並沒有很明確的管理還有一些棄養的動作棄養的那個事件的定義也不明確所以我們這一次經過了\n一些溝通以外針對事主的責任經過動物保護強化的部分還有寵物的一些管理的部分另外就是動保檢查人員也要有一些執法的權利所以針對這幾項我們去做一些修法的一些安排\n那這個你們主要的這四大方向呢跟我們藍綠白的委員提案大家都有一致的這個方向那所以本席繼續來跟你討論也就是說惡意傷害動物自死自傷的事件陳榮銘剛才說的是屢屢發生那引發社會高度的一個公憤但是我們現在動保法的規定裡頭對於虐待動物的認定標準過於嚴苛\n常常出現了很明顯的虐待但是沒有辦法去定罪的這個情況它不但打擊了你們執法單位的士氣而且也嚴重的損害了動物保護的這個精神所以本席要請教部長本席所提出的動保法第25條及25條之一的修法方向那您是否支持 請說明\n我們絕對支持非常感謝你的絕對支持那麼我們就繼續討論原本必須要複數動物死亡才能夠處罰的這個限制將這個複數必須要刪除因為本席在提案說明的時候也特別說傷害就是傷害 凌虐就是凌虐怎麼還要到複數以上呢\n請做說明委員報告喔 你不是這邊說的 你這邊就說了對 本席非常複視所以我們這次就把那個複數把它槓掉了同意槓掉 好 我們有一個共識接下來本席要講將暴力或者是私有其他凌虐方式致動物死亡的這個行為明確納入重法的規範 您的看法\n好 這一個同意 接下來我要再請教對於傷害至器官損傷或者是死亡情節重大的案件 罰則也要加重因為你原先是要將動物的器官要喪屍耶這個太嚴苛了 它已經損傷了\n本來就應當要罰 贊成嗎將喪屍改為損傷我們現在已經加重刑罰了對 一定要加重刑罰你也同意修正這樣子的一個條文好 這個非常的感謝終於聽到這個行政部門對本席的提案部長你這邊全力的來支持所以我們希望這個罰則加重了就是\n整個社會的一個期待那真正的也要發揮一個嚇阻的這個功效本身認為作為文明的社會他不應當讓虐待動物者輕易脫罪應該要比照美國跟日本這些國家來提高虐待動物的刑責以及這個罰金才是真正的能夠遏阻這些的惡行\n也能夠保障我們整個保護動物的這個精神讓這個飼主以及動物應有的權益都能夠受到保障那我們就期待我們希望盡速的在你下個禮拜四送進院會的行政院版趕快送到立法院我們完成的這個法案這個\n接下來本席要跟你討論的我們犬貓的登記到目前為止是有222萬隻其中犬的部分是140萬隻貓的部分是82萬隻但是我們看到寵物相關的產業它的銷售額它已經達到387.3億那可以顯示出我們的寵物市場的規模是龐大而且日日在增加隨著市場的發展\n那事主對於寵物食品的品質與安全的要求越來越嚴格本席也數次跟你討論過這個議題我們要吃的健康我們的寵物更應該他的食品的來源更應該要讓他健康那本席也看到你們在4月24號針對於寵物食品中的重金屬\n跟黴菌的毒素的容許標準做了調整來確保整個產品的安全性所以因此本席要來跟您討論的也就是說\n你們在這樣的一個情況之下呢本項請教4月22號的公佈這是非常好的一個起點但是你們要怎麼樣去確保這些新標準在市場上有效的來落實而且他是必須要有一個有效的監管跟查核機制才能夠讓這些製造商呢他能夠有所均衡請教\n跟委員報告您這邊所提到的那個犬隻的隻數貓特別快這是在去年年底的現在兩個加起來已經是251萬隻了很好而且會陸續增加會增加那第二個部分就是我們針對我們提出來的這些那個寵物食品的那個對\n那個有害物質跟我們會加強抽測過去我們大概是四五百件我們會再加強這個抽測的比例然後同時每一次的抽測完了以後我們就會公佈我們用公佈的方式讓本商有警惕啦\n對 所以這個部分我想我們可能會更加強然後針對寵物業者現在寵物業者大概有三千多家的寵物業者寵物食品業者的部分有大概八萬多件的寵物食品我們也會同步的加強這些抽測包括進口的也是一樣加強抽測 同時你也要加強宣導讓這個公布呢 讓大家都知道我們要一起\n向上 善的循環向上 深厚 加油接下來最後一個議題本期請教我國漁船涉入宰殺保護類動物的國際指控案件層出不窮顯示了現行的監管跟教育以及處罰機制仍舊有很大的缺口所以本期希望要有積極的作為那不然恐怕將使我國在漁業國際間背負了沉重的負面評價那據媒體報導\n有船主在6月2024年的6月駕駛了這個漁船作業期間那指示的外籍漁工呢在西北太平洋非法捕捉並宰殺我國列為二級保育類的海豚將以血肉吸引殺魚哇 這個嚴重的違反到我們的野保法不僅破壞了我們的海洋生態更重創我國國際的一個形態所以本期要請教\n像這樣的事件我們政府怎麼樣的作為怎麼樣讓我們在國際間不會有這些惡性的一個負評我第一個問題報告像這個遠洋漁業的部分一定要透過國際的合作那以今天這個案例是加拿大跟我們合作的對加拿大本身的巡航的那個飛機有拍攝到儀式的所以第一時間通知我們以後\n等這漁船進港的時候我們馬上做漁獲的清查調查跟檢查才順利的把這些可能疑似這些有這種宰殺野生動物的這些這些犯罪的事實跟證據能夠保全起來所以這個部分我想後續他已經違反了相關的IUU的部分那現在目前特別是IUU是全世界一直在認真對待的事情那我們台灣有所謂的那個\n國際人權的一個相關的條例漁業人權的法案我們會持續的去加強還有包括相關的監管在各地的港口我們也會有監管員會上船去做查核這個部分我想我們會努力來做部長當然這個\n國際國家通知我們當然我們配合IU也非常的重視我們要的是說我們要再怎麼樣在國際的這個扶貧不能再有所以因此我們也不能只坐著人家通知我們而我們必須要好好的從觀念教育讓我們的\n預算知道大家一起來維護國家的一個顏面這才是重點你要多多的從教育從觀念然後去加強這樣子才能夠這個進動一起來才能夠不會再有這樣子的一個負評好謝謝委員的提醒去研議方案好嗎好謝謝好謝謝我們現在請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.675 --> 00:09.696\n謝主席楊全發言邀請部長陳部長國會好\n\n00:18.588 --> 00:40.676\n今天張偉排了這個議程不管是藍綠白的委員大家都非常的關心而且都提案方向大家的凝聚力共同點也都是朝大概這個方向所以本期要請教那麼我們院版什麼時候會送到立法院來\n\n00:41.576 --> 01:05.171\n因為你們從去年八月份的時候本席也在經濟委員會一再跟你討論這個議題所以我們也希望在草野都能夠去惠及真正對社會有幫助而且保護我們這些的動物所以在這種情況之下請教從去年八月你們到底什麼社會送來\n\n01:06.204 --> 01:32.852\n我剛才特別提到就是我們現在只差院會通過以後就可以送立法院那我回去我可以跟行政院做溝通明天是禮拜四啊院會啊下禮拜四我說下禮拜四進到院會院會完以後就可以送到立法院來所以我希望說在五月的上旬下個禮拜四可以送進去院會這個可以我想跟行政院那邊溝通一下\n\n01:33.837 --> 01:56.371\n排進去到下個禮拜的院會裡有這個信心下個禮拜是送到有喔你這個有一個微笑所以我們現在要請教那大家既然共識點都很雷同那請問從去年8月到現在你們終於說下個禮拜是要送到院會裡頭充分的溝通你改變了哪些\n\n01:57.511 --> 02:25.177\n來請做說明特別剛才跟委員講就是在111年上次修正是110年那110年修正完以後我們發現幾個很重要的事情事主的責任還有虐殺動物有沒有還有就是虐待動物的部分那個事件層出不窮但是我們的法本身並沒有很明確的管理還有一些棄養的動作棄養的那個事件的定義也不明確所以我們這一次經過了\n\n02:26.397 --> 02:41.697\n一些溝通以外針對事主的責任經過動物保護強化的部分還有寵物的一些管理的部分另外就是動保檢查人員也要有一些執法的權利所以針對這幾項我們去做一些修法的一些安排\n\n02:41.957 --> 03:00.249\n那這個你們主要的這四大方向呢跟我們藍綠白的委員提案大家都有一致的這個方向那所以本席繼續來跟你討論也就是說惡意傷害動物自死自傷的事件陳榮銘剛才說的是屢屢發生那引發社會高度的一個公憤但是我們現在動保法的規定裡頭對於虐待動物的認定標準過於嚴苛\n\n03:10.575 --> 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