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00:02:44,305\n那這兩年呢我特別想去了解說我們的偏鄉或原住民學童他們參與的情形以去年來講是所有申請的八十八個單位當中原鄉地區的學校有六所\n\n9\n00:02:45,146 --> 00:03:12,642\n那今年度呢申請的72間學校目前還沒有任何的原鄉學校參加那另外一個南院辦理的叫移動博物館教具箱那在這裡可以看到去年81間學校沒有任何的原民學校參與那今年呢49所當中有6所的偏鄉學校所以我在這邊就是想要特別了解一下\n\n10\n00:03:13,442 --> 00:03:17,310\n之所以原鄉學校興趣缺缺不曉得院長您有沒有探究過原因可能是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:25,263 --> 00:03:44,679\n這個部分的話的確我自己個人是沒有探究可是我因為過去工作的關係台灣博物館我也工作過所以我對原鄉有蠻親切的一個感情所以以目前來講我只能說現在的切額還有只要原鄉申請的話我們就一定會優先來錄取\n\n12\n00:03:48,123 --> 00:04:08,599\n我之所以會這樣問就是要去對比我剛才講的那個故宮猶一思因為之前故宮猶一思沒有去結合原住民的這些點的時候也是興趣缺缺可是呢自從有加入這些點之後我們可以看到近前三年\n\n13\n00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:36,465\n一百一十一年也好一百一十二年也好一百一十三年也好都非常非常的平均大概呢都可以占百分之二十所有參與的學校原住民學校幾乎每一年平均都有百分之二十也就是五分之一也就是說他是很有意願來參與這樣的活動所以我是希望說有時候我們故宮啊\n\n14\n00:04:37,165 --> 00:05:05,790\n它作為一個博物館最高的二級機關其實它會去跟國外進行交流我們也看到也有在跟國內進行交流甚至故宮也能夠走出去做交流像這個跟著織品去旅行我們就覺得這個展真的很棒南苑的亞洲織品展跟原住民編織文化之旅這個頗受好評\n\n15\n00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:24,643\n那我覺得在這個當中我們也可以慢慢透過這種所謂的典藏研究詮釋轉化讓原住民的文物文化能夠跟著故宮的專業能夠往上提升\n\n16\n00:05:25,484 --> 00:05:51,542\n因為很多的時候並不是文化不好而是說他有沒有透過這些詮釋的一個手段那我們就是對故宮就是抱這樣的一個期望那我們很希望說其實像現在原住民文化原民會他有29座的原民館我相信院長都非常的清楚因為您經常跟原住民做交流\n\n17\n00:05:52,162 --> 00:06:19,603\n那也有很多的私人博物館像我知道的很多像彭水光他其實他現在已經失智了但是他的木雕作品這是他自己的家的展品都非常的好或者是像琉璃之母他自己也有做他私人的一個就是比較因為沒有什麼經費但是他就自己也做了一個自己私人的文物館我的意思是說\n\n18\n00:06:20,524 --> 00:06:41,824\n其實故宮作為我國唯一的二級機關博物館其實是可以做很多事那強化呢跟我們的地方文物館的連結甚至是私人的這些博物館的連結那甚至是2032年即將要成立揭牌的原住民族博物館\n\n19\n00:06:42,705 --> 00:07:00,204\n我也希望今年已經開始籌辦那故宮呢也能夠借重你們這些重要的專業的一個博物館的經驗也能夠去拉拔我們的國立原住民主博物館成為一個世界的博物館所以不曉得那個院長你有什麼樣的意見想法\n\n20\n00:07:02,508 --> 00:07:26,226\n我想這個部分我們會持續來推動我想我會嘗試跟客家文化中心合作的方式就是跟客家文化中心同樓跟六隊那邊的中心合作的方式然後慢慢擴展所以我們過去跟客家文化中心合作可是並沒有跟馬家的園民中心有一個比較緊密的聯繫合作\n\n21\n00:07:26,866 --> 00:07:48,277\n所以未來的話我希望說透過這樣的一個連結然後讓那個故宮跟園民文化有更深厚的一個基礎那另外的話這些教育推廣活動的話我們會盡量也透過這樣的一個機制請他們來申請因為基本上透過他們的行政的管道的話可能比我們散彈打鳥會有一點點績效好\n\n22\n00:07:51,258 --> 00:08:15,545\n那我就是希望說不論是南院北院這一些社教的活動故宮有一絲百萬學子又有博物館移動博物館教具箱等等希望故宮這邊能夠再去想一想有什麼樣的誘因那做什麼樣的改變什麼樣的設計那另外呢也是希望故宮不只是故宮希望可以呢帶動加強\n\n23\n00:08:17,205 --> 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