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--> 00:02:05,823\n那也有一些是落實層面上面包括是現在有一些工程如果他有趕工的狀況其實常常他在這個資安位的部分他其實就會比較疏漏所以這些情況我覺得我們都必須綜合來考慮把它作為我們要改善的策略\n\n7\n00:02:06,618 --> 00:02:21,095\n那怎麼改善呢你很好你可以提出目前的面向問題點在哪裡那你已經提出了那你要怎麼改善呢所以本席請問的是你關鍵的原因你提出了如何改善在制度面上的\n\n8\n00:02:22,376 --> 00:02:44,634\n不足法規上不足的部分我們現在已經提出了修法的計畫跟草案你這個修法的計畫呢你預計什麼時候可以出來你們提出了這個職業安全衛生法我們已經送行政院的要嚴重的這個來這個罰則嘛那個跟我們說明我們已經送行政院的預計希望這個會籍就送到立法院\n\n9\n00:02:45,294 --> 00:03:09,341\n這一個會期你的這個會期是到什麼時候呢這個會期延會到7月底啊所以你的意思是到7月底我們現在才4月30號耶你送到行政院你什麼時候送行政院這個禮拜我們已經送到行政院了已經送出去了嗎因為明天是5月1號耶這個禮拜我們已經送到行政院所以你是這個禮拜什麼時候送出去的\n\n10\n00:03:10,063 --> 00:03:34,543\n我們其實昨天已經送到行政院你就昨天送出行政院很好加油那你預計什麼時候可以送出來因為你今天昨天你是4月29號那你如果說要到7月30號才會出委員會那這個我會緊張勞工也會緊張委員不是這個意思我的意思是說我們已經送到行政院但是現在要進入到行政院的法治程序\n\n11\n00:03:34,983 --> 00:03:52,275\n當然他有程序你要去加油啊你要去溝通啊我們一直在跟行政院溝通所以我們預計是希望在五月或者是這個五月之間的前後希望能夠趕快送到立法院你這麼講我只知道稍稍可以\n\n12\n00:03:52,935 --> 00:04:16,859\n可以安心一點點也就是希望下個月可以行政院出來送到立法院對因為我們已經送到行政院了所以你們必須要去加油這個是大家非常關注的一個議題因為我們知道呢國際勞工組織呢將人人享有安全衛生工作環境呢是視為勞工基本的一個人權那依照主席總署告訴我們台灣營造業就業人口約有120萬人\n\n13\n00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:39,989\n120萬人裡頭的七成二也就是86萬人都是基層技術工的勞工每一個公安意外每一個數字它的背後都是一個生命跟一個家庭所以你們提出的這一點我希望\n\n14\n00:04:40,529 --> 00:04:55,408\n你要繼續加油跟行政院趕快溝通下個月趕快送到立法院來那你認為我們現在已經修法在進行式當中你認為預期效果會如何你認為能夠下降多少人數請教\n\n15\n00:04:56,977 --> 00:05:23,230\n我想不是很容易估說一個修法後面你們做一個修法一定有你的KPI指數你大概的方向到底是怎麼樣因為你一定有目標嘛才會提出這樣的修法第一個是修法部分是在法制制度上面做出一個強化但是就像我們也在研擬說法制就算修了或者現在法也有可是還是有一些部分在落實的層面上我們必須要再更\n\n16\n00:05:23,490 --> 00:05:44,940\n通過之後我們在落實的時候我們的辦法還是要出來啊你怎麼樣的監督機制落實這些除了宣傳除了稽查這些都是必要相關的配套我們會盡力做然後我們當然希望在這個死亡的人數上或者是重大職災人數上面有一個更顯著的進步\n\n17\n00:05:45,660 --> 00:06:13,641\n好你一個更顯速的進步我也希望我們能夠達到那接下來本席要跟你討論還是過勞之島還勞工假政府的表態那之前本席在這個總質詢的時候也跟你討論過也跟院長討論過那你當時回答本席我非常高興你回答說台灣工時有改善的空間那減少工時的有效方案之一\n\n18\n00:06:14,661 --> 00:06:37,183\n最直接的就是恢復我們過去砍的國定假日因為我們都知道我們比日韓這個時間我們都比較少這也是勞團團體長期的一個訴求當時你在當任立委的時候或者是你對這方面的努力你也都參與其中所以部長國民黨的法案在\n\n19\n00:06:37,663 --> 00:06:59,375\n委員會裡頭已經都有討論過而且送出委員會國民黨增加的五天的國定假日現在是等待協商的這個階段那麼行政院跟執政黨呢現在雖然還沒有版本但是我仍舊希望希望聽到你的方向你的立場請教支持嗎\n\n20\n00:07:00,523 --> 00:07:16,173\n跟委員說明因為國定假日相關的法規它的組的單位其實是內政部但是我們勞動部在這個過程裡面也都參與跟行政院當然你是非常重要的一個角色我們確實是認為國定假日的調整是有討論的正面討論的空間我們的態度一直是這樣\n\n21\n00:07:23,058 --> 00:07:42,268\n所以一直是這樣嘛因為你在第十屆擔任立委的時候你也連署我們你們這個貴黨的這個民進黨的現在執政黨的委員的提案嘛所以目前為止你也是認為增加國定假日的這個修法是有討論的空間而且你贊同這個方向嘛\n\n22\n00:07:42,879 --> 00:08:08,848\n我覺得是這個議題是有真相正面討論的空間也就是支持那我再請教既然你身為勞動部長那為什麼我們的行政院不提版本有沒有預計要提版本我想這部分可能要問這個法規的主管機關那你擔任勞動部長你認為這個有討論空間你支不支持政府應該要有行政院版出來\n\n23\n00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:31,892\n我要說的是說因為你現在談的是法案那法案的本身就可能要問這可能要是你都是參與其中而且你以前擔任立委你也都連署過也提案過所以本席希望這你當然也給我本席一個正面的方向也就是這個有很\n\n24\n00:08:33,374 --> 00:08:41,705\n這個正面討論的空間非常好我也希望你能夠促成這也是老團長期最需要的一點好加油\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9162\t12144\t謝謝主席 陽泉發言 邀請部長請部長兩位人好部長好 部長今天的議題墜落打擊年我想這個是大家都非常非常的關心勞動部也將去年是定位為營造墜落打擊年那目標呢 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因為我們已經送到行政院了所以你們必須要去加油這個是大家非常關注的一個議題因為我們知道呢國際勞工組織呢將人人享有安全衛生工作環境呢是視為勞工基本的一個人權那依照主席總署告訴我們台灣營造業就業人口約有120萬人\n262740\t279989\t120萬人裡頭的七成二也就是86萬人都是基層技術工的勞工每一個公安意外每一個數字它的背後都是一個生命跟一個家庭所以你們提出的這一點我希望\n280529\t295408\t你要繼續加油跟行政院趕快溝通下個月趕快送到立法院來那你認為我們現在已經修法在進行式當中你認為預期效果會如何你認為能夠下降多少人數請教\n296977\t323230\t我想不是很容易估說一個修法後面你們做一個修法一定有你的KPI指數你大概的方向到底是怎麼樣因為你一定有目標嘛才會提出這樣的修法第一個是修法部分是在法制制度上面做出一個強化但是就像我們也在研擬說法制就算修了或者現在法也有可是還是有一些部分在落實的層面上我們必須要再更\n323490\t344940\t通過之後我們在落實的時候我們的辦法還是要出來啊你怎麼樣的監督機制落實這些除了宣傳除了稽查這些都是必要相關的配套我們會盡力做然後我們當然希望在這個死亡的人數上或者是重大職災人數上面有一個更顯著的進步\n345660\t373641\t好 你一個更顯速的進步我也希望我們能夠達到那接下來本席要跟你討論還是過勞之島還勞工假政府的表態那之前本席在這個總質詢的時候也跟你討論過也跟院長討論過那你當時回答本席我非常高興你回答說台灣工時有改善的空間那減少工時的有效方案之一\n374661\t397183\t最直接的就是恢復我們過去砍的國定假日因為我們都知道我們比日韓這個時間我們都比較少這也是勞團團體長期的一個訴求當時你在當任立委的時候或者是你對這方面的努力你也都參與其中所以部長國民黨的法案在\n397663\t419375\t委員會裡頭已經都有討論過而且送出委員會國民黨增加的五天的國定假日現在是等待協商的這個階段那麼行政院跟執政黨呢現在雖然還沒有版本但是我仍舊希望希望聽到你的方向你的立場請教支持嗎\n420523\t436173\t跟委員說明因為國定假日相關的法規它的組的單位其實是內政部但是我們勞動部在這個過程裡面也都參與跟行政院當然你是非常重要的一個角色我們確實是認為國定假日的調整是有討論的正面討論的空間我們的態度一直是這樣\n443058\t462268\t所以一直是這樣嘛 因為你在第十屆擔任立委的時候你也連署我們你們這個貴黨的這個民進黨的現在執政黨的委員的提案嘛所以目前為止你也是認為增加國定假日的這個修法是有討論的空間而且你贊同這個方向嘛\n462879\t488848\t我覺得是這個議題是有真相正面討論的空間也就是支持那我再請教既然你身為勞動部長那為什麼我們的行政院不提版本有沒有預計要提版本我想這部分可能要問這個法規的主管機關那你擔任勞動部長你認為這個有討論空間你支不支持政府應該要有行政院版出來\n490020\t511892\t我要說的是說因為你現在談的是法案那法案的本身就可能要問這可能要是你都是參與其中而且你以前擔任立委你也都連署過也提案過所以本席希望這你當然也給我本席一個正面的方向也就是這個有很\n513374\t521705\t這個正面討論的空間非常好我也希望你能夠促成這也是老團長期最需要的一點好 加油\n","txt":"謝謝主席 陽泉發言 邀請部長請部長兩位人好部長好 部長今天的議題墜落打擊年我想這個是大家都非常非常的關心勞動部也將去年是定位為營造墜落打擊年那目標呢 墜落的\n上升人數是68人以下但最後是破功了因為我們統計的人數是85人那過去大多墜落死亡的人數大概都在100人左右所以首先要來請教\n當然在公安職災的檢查預防跟處理上有許多的不足他這個問題當然也不是一日之寒那在這樣的情況之下本席要請教請教部長你認為關鍵的原因到底是什麼呢因為\n營造公安跟墜落死亡如果沒有辦法改善這個會影響的很多的一個效能所以請教你認為到目前為止關鍵的原因是什麼那麼我們又如何有改善的方案請說說明\n根文說根文報告確實去年的原本的目標是沒有達到這必須我們必須承認那但是他還是有些微幅的下降那可是在目標的達成上面我是覺得我們應該更盡力那在這個更盡力的做法裡面我們自己也看到有幾個情況有些是制度面上面的問題包括法規面上的不足\n那也有一些是落實層面上面包括是現在有一些工程如果他有趕工的狀況其實常常他在這個資安位的部分他其實就會比較疏漏所以這些情況我覺得我們都必須綜合來考慮把它作為我們要改善的策略\n那怎麼改善呢你很好你可以提出目前的面向問題點在哪裡那你已經提出了那你要怎麼改善呢所以本席請問的是你關鍵的原因你提出了如何改善在制度面上的\n不足法規上不足的部分我們現在已經提出了修法的計畫跟草案你這個修法的計畫呢你預計什麼時候可以出來你們提出了這個職業安全衛生法我們已經送行政院的要嚴重的這個來這個罰則嘛那個跟我們說明我們已經送行政院的預計希望這個會籍就送到立法院\n這一個會期你的這個會期是到什麼時候呢這個會期延會到7月底啊所以你的意思是到7月底我們現在才4月30號耶你送到行政院你什麼時候送行政院這個禮拜我們已經送到行政院了已經送出去了嗎因為明天是5月1號耶這個禮拜我們已經送到行政院所以你是這個禮拜什麼時候送出去的\n我們其實昨天已經送到行政院你就昨天送出行政院很好加油那你預計什麼時候可以送出來因為你今天昨天你是4月29號那你如果說要到7月30號才會出委員會那這個我會緊張勞工也會緊張委員不是這個意思我的意思是說我們已經送到行政院但是現在要進入到行政院的法治程序\n當然他有程序你要去加油啊你要去溝通啊我們一直在跟行政院溝通所以我們預計是希望在五月或者是這個五月之間的前後希望能夠趕快送到立法院你這麼講我只知道稍稍可以\n可以安心一點點也就是希望下個月可以行政院出來送到立法院對 因為我們已經送到行政院了所以你們必須要去加油這個是大家非常關注的一個議題因為我們知道呢國際勞工組織呢將人人享有安全衛生工作環境呢是視為勞工基本的一個人權那依照主席總署告訴我們台灣營造業就業人口約有120萬人\n120萬人裡頭的七成二也就是86萬人都是基層技術工的勞工每一個公安意外每一個數字它的背後都是一個生命跟一個家庭所以你們提出的這一點我希望\n你要繼續加油跟行政院趕快溝通下個月趕快送到立法院來那你認為我們現在已經修法在進行式當中你認為預期效果會如何你認為能夠下降多少人數請教\n我想不是很容易估說一個修法後面你們做一個修法一定有你的KPI指數你大概的方向到底是怎麼樣因為你一定有目標嘛才會提出這樣的修法第一個是修法部分是在法制制度上面做出一個強化但是就像我們也在研擬說法制就算修了或者現在法也有可是還是有一些部分在落實的層面上我們必須要再更\n通過之後我們在落實的時候我們的辦法還是要出來啊你怎麼樣的監督機制落實這些除了宣傳除了稽查這些都是必要相關的配套我們會盡力做然後我們當然希望在這個死亡的人數上或者是重大職災人數上面有一個更顯著的進步\n好 你一個更顯速的進步我也希望我們能夠達到那接下來本席要跟你討論還是過勞之島還勞工假政府的表態那之前本席在這個總質詢的時候也跟你討論過也跟院長討論過那你當時回答本席我非常高興你回答說台灣工時有改善的空間那減少工時的有效方案之一\n最直接的就是恢復我們過去砍的國定假日因為我們都知道我們比日韓這個時間我們都比較少這也是勞團團體長期的一個訴求當時你在當任立委的時候或者是你對這方面的努力你也都參與其中所以部長國民黨的法案在\n委員會裡頭已經都有討論過而且送出委員會國民黨增加的五天的國定假日現在是等待協商的這個階段那麼行政院跟執政黨呢現在雖然還沒有版本但是我仍舊希望希望聽到你的方向你的立場請教支持嗎\n跟委員說明因為國定假日相關的法規它的組的單位其實是內政部但是我們勞動部在這個過程裡面也都參與跟行政院當然你是非常重要的一個角色我們確實是認為國定假日的調整是有討論的正面討論的空間我們的態度一直是這樣\n所以一直是這樣嘛 因為你在第十屆擔任立委的時候你也連署我們你們這個貴黨的這個民進黨的現在執政黨的委員的提案嘛所以目前為止你也是認為增加國定假日的這個修法是有討論的空間而且你贊同這個方向嘛\n我覺得是這個議題是有真相正面討論的空間也就是支持那我再請教既然你身為勞動部長那為什麼我們的行政院不提版本有沒有預計要提版本我想這部分可能要問這個法規的主管機關那你擔任勞動部長你認為這個有討論空間你支不支持政府應該要有行政院版出來\n我要說的是說因為你現在談的是法案那法案的本身就可能要問這可能要是你都是參與其中而且你以前擔任立委你也都連署過也提案過所以本席希望這你當然也給我本席一個正面的方向也就是這個有很\n這個正面討論的空間非常好我也希望你能夠促成這也是老團長期最需要的一點好 加油\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.162 --> 00:12.144\n謝謝主席陽泉發言邀請部長請部長兩位人好部長好部長今天的議題墜落打擊年我想這個是大家都非常非常的關心勞動部也將去年是定位為營造墜落打擊年那目標呢墜落的\n\n00:36.809 --> 00:50.837\n上升人數是68人以下但最後是破功了因為我們統計的人數是85人那過去大多墜落死亡的人數大概都在100人左右所以首先要來請教\n\n00:52.638 --> 01:09.357\n當然在公安職災的檢查預防跟處理上有許多的不足他這個問題當然也不是一日之寒那在這樣的情況之下本席要請教請教部長你認為關鍵的原因到底是什麼呢因為\n\n01:11.480 --> 01:25.332\n營造公安跟墜落死亡如果沒有辦法改善這個會影響的很多的一個效能所以請教你認為到目前為止關鍵的原因是什麼那麼我們又如何有改善的方案請說說明\n\n01:26.953 --> 01:48.235\n根文說根文報告確實去年的原本的目標是沒有達到這必須我們必須承認那但是他還是有些微幅的下降那可是在目標的達成上面我是覺得我們應該更盡力那在這個更盡力的做法裡面我們自己也看到有幾個情況有些是制度面上面的問題包括法規面上的不足\n\n01:49.116 --> 02:05.823\n那也有一些是落實層面上面包括是現在有一些工程如果他有趕工的狀況其實常常他在這個資安位的部分他其實就會比較疏漏所以這些情況我覺得我們都必須綜合來考慮把它作為我們要改善的策略\n\n02:06.618 --> 02:21.095\n那怎麼改善呢你很好你可以提出目前的面向問題點在哪裡那你已經提出了那你要怎麼改善呢所以本席請問的是你關鍵的原因你提出了如何改善在制度面上的\n\n02:22.376 --> 02:44.634\n不足法規上不足的部分我們現在已經提出了修法的計畫跟草案你這個修法的計畫呢你預計什麼時候可以出來你們提出了這個職業安全衛生法我們已經送行政院的要嚴重的這個來這個罰則嘛那個跟我們說明我們已經送行政院的預計希望這個會籍就送到立法院\n\n02:45.294 --> 03:09.341\n這一個會期你的這個會期是到什麼時候呢這個會期延會到7月底啊所以你的意思是到7月底我們現在才4月30號耶你送到行政院你什麼時候送行政院這個禮拜我們已經送到行政院了已經送出去了嗎因為明天是5月1號耶這個禮拜我們已經送到行政院所以你是這個禮拜什麼時候送出去的\n\n03:10.063 --> 03:34.543\n我們其實昨天已經送到行政院你就昨天送出行政院很好加油那你預計什麼時候可以送出來因為你今天昨天你是4月29號那你如果說要到7月30號才會出委員會那這個我會緊張勞工也會緊張委員不是這個意思我的意思是說我們已經送到行政院但是現在要進入到行政院的法治程序\n\n03:34.983 --> 03:52.275\n當然他有程序你要去加油啊你要去溝通啊我們一直在跟行政院溝通所以我們預計是希望在五月或者是這個五月之間的前後希望能夠趕快送到立法院你這麼講我只知道稍稍可以\n\n03:52.935 --> 04:16.859\n可以安心一點點也就是希望下個月可以行政院出來送到立法院對因為我們已經送到行政院了所以你們必須要去加油這個是大家非常關注的一個議題因為我們知道呢國際勞工組織呢將人人享有安全衛生工作環境呢是視為勞工基本的一個人權那依照主席總署告訴我們台灣營造業就業人口約有120萬人\n\n04:22.740 --> 04:39.989\n120萬人裡頭的七成二也就是86萬人都是基層技術工的勞工每一個公安意外每一個數字它的背後都是一個生命跟一個家庭所以你們提出的這一點我希望\n\n04:40.529 --> 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