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00:02:37,748\n所以我們其實也很願意來跟環境部一起來討論如何在企業的減碳計畫中讓工會或者是勞工朋友有更多機會來了解跟更多的參與的角色這部分我們很願意來跟環境部一起來做這部分的研擬那甚至我們也在思考我們也希望可以成立是不是一個跨部會的平台來做相關的資源編列的整合來推動\n\n7\n00:02:38,948 --> 00:02:56,025\n可能更具永續或者是氣候友善目標的一些訓練或者是就業的計畫那這部分希望能夠讓我們的產業跟勞工在這個可能淨零轉型的過程裡面有更多支持的力量這都我們希望可以更進一步來推動好\n\n8\n00:02:56,866 --> 00:03:25,132\n我非常開心聽到部長甚至提到所謂跨部會平台的計畫透過兩個部會的合作不管是相關的民間資訊或是民間的聲音或者是政府的資源怎麼嫁接起來因為部長剛剛講到一個非常重要的事情在勞工從事勞動工作這麼長的時間當中他確實得跟著時代的轉變不斷的增能但增能這個事情剛剛勞動部講到甚至相關就業計畫的輔導我們都非常期待後續可以看到很棒的進度那這個部分當然不是說了就算\n\n9\n00:03:25,892 --> 00:03:43,775\n後續會再追蹤那也會再跟勞動部跟環境部一些時間所以我們希望可能接一段時間跟環境部起來討論甚至來找我們的工會的朋友或者是相關關心的團體我們就一起來做這方面的討論好這個部分我們辦公室會再持續追蹤那接下來最後一題就是\n\n10\n00:03:44,475 --> 00:03:55,700\n3月19號我有拜託部長關於在勞動權益的部分尤其在兒少15到19歲的這個部分那當時部長快速的說會帶回去討論那我就想要確定一下目前的進度為何謝謝\n\n11\n00:03:59,076 --> 00:04:18,965\n在關於兒少的就業權益包含他們現在可能是弱勢少年因為年紀輕經驗少相對找到的工作可能心思也不是太好又遇到所謂高風險的工作環境那目前在兒少法修法的時候呢衛福部說可能會把相關34到36刪除那當時勞動部這邊也有一些自己的立場\n\n12\n00:04:19,665 --> 00:04:45,171\n那還有就是在我們行政院的角度或是勞動部的高度有怎麼樣可以更積極協助這些兒少打工的或者是實習生他們在相關的工作場域他們的權益可以受到保障他們的生命可以受到保護來謝謝部長我們應該有把這些相關的議題其實納入到目前包括我們之前參與行政院召開的全國兒少政策的研商會議裡面包括我們的兒少職場安全衛生權益小組裡面放進來討論\n\n13\n00:04:46,951 --> 00:05:14,038\n所以他是院等級的討論會議?行政院裡面是有一個相關的研商會議但我們部裡面在3月26號其實有召開我們這個也是一個跨部會的關於兒少職場安全衛生的權益小組的會議但我想我可以再把我們這開會的狀況在相關的資料再提供給陳委員好時間有限那我就想我們之後再跟勞動部所資如何在跟衛福部合作的平台上協助這些兒少的事情好謝謝主席謝謝部長謝謝\n\n14\n00:05:16,752 --> 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謝謝部長\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝勞動部部長部長吳安明天就是五一勞動節其實有非常多的委員在我前面都已經提出了不管是職場霸凌國定假日退休保障那這個我們就不再贅述但是我想要跟部長討論另外一個事情在部長您過去擔任立委期間你長期關注的淨零轉型當中\n跟所謂的勞工有關的其實是公正轉型那在TK的報告裡面我們可以看到目前他們預估預估相關的計算受到淨零轉型衝擊的勞工人數會來到230萬人那立即性影響到立即性的會是200萬人那整體來說也就是說這個數量其實非常非常龐大那我相信部長您現在從立委的位置移動到勞動部長的位置我相信這件事情應該也還是部長您所關心的事情對不對\n是當然還是很關心好那我們來實際看一下他們現在的訴求來下一張目前他們的訴求有三個第一個是關於所謂的高碳洩漏風險產業他們認為應該要修法規範擬定所謂自主減量計畫的時候\n要先跟工會進行協商來確保勞工在這個過程當中他們的權益有受到保障還有就是過往的對話機制他們認為不夠法治化有沒有機會法治化這件事情強化勞工的聲音在整個公正轉型過程當中的參與還有他們的權利那當然最後另外的是跨部會的問題跟環境部有關他們的訴求是碳費費率審議會應該要納入工會代表那我想前面兩個訴求跟部長您比較相關可不可以請部長就前面兩個\n他們的訴求告訴我們你們目前的為止的準備跟相關的回應跟陳委員報告其實農部很願意來跟環境部那也包括相關產業主管機關來合作那在產業面對氣候要減碳或者是說淨零轉型的路上那我們確實是需要把勞工相關的權益給保護好\n所以我們其實也很願意來跟環境部一起來討論如何在企業的減碳計畫中讓工會或者是勞工朋友有更多機會來了解跟更多的參與的角色這部分我們很願意來跟環境部一起來做這部分的研擬那甚至我們也在思考我們也希望可以成立是不是一個跨部會的平台來做相關的資源編列的整合來推動\n可能更具永續或者是氣候友善目標的一些訓練或者是就業的計畫那這部分希望能夠讓我們的產業跟勞工在這個可能淨零轉型的過程裡面有更多支持的力量這都我們希望可以更進一步來推動好\n我非常開心聽到部長甚至提到所謂跨部會平台的計畫透過兩個部會的合作不管是相關的民間資訊或是民間的聲音或者是政府的資源怎麼嫁接起來因為部長剛剛講到一個非常重要的事情在勞工從事勞動工作這麼長的時間當中他確實得跟著時代的轉變不斷的增能但增能這個事情剛剛勞動部講到甚至相關就業計畫的輔導我們都非常期待後續可以看到很棒的進度那這個部分當然不是說了就算\n後續會再追蹤那也會再跟勞動部跟環境部一些時間所以我們希望可能接一段時間跟環境部起來討論甚至來找我們的工會的朋友或者是相關關心的團體我們就一起來做這方面的討論好這個部分我們辦公室會再持續追蹤那接下來最後一題就是\n3月19號我有拜託部長關於在勞動權益的部分尤其在兒少15到19歲的這個部分那當時部長快速的說會帶回去討論那我就想要確定一下目前的進度為何謝謝\n在關於兒少的就業權益包含他們現在可能是弱勢少年因為年紀輕 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