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00:00:54,600\n社會及國土強韌的一個特別條例的一個草案那這個草案編列的4100億那我們看到農業的部分大概還是維持180億那我們主要的一個訴求就是說你看從這個關稅的時候原本880億農業部是匡列180億\n\n3\n00:00:58,002 --> 00:01:00,985\n現在已經擴張到了4100億的一個規模但是農業的部分還是180億所以我想要請教部長你認為180億足以因應我們接下來因為關稅談判的一個結果\n\n4\n00:01:13,156 --> 00:01:37,834\n所对于我们的浓水产品造成的冲击180亿购码我想跟委员报告就是现在关税正在谈判所以最后的关税的结果是怎么样还有很高的不确定性那以现在10%的30天的暂缓期那在这个短时间之内透过金融支持跟后面的国内外行销的部分这个经费看起来是足够的\n\n5\n00:01:38,234 --> 00:02:07,171\n但是如果後續如果關稅定案以後關稅的衝擊我們會重新去評估這樣這樣的衝擊如果遠高於我們預期的時候那相對的我們需要更多的經費一定會向行政院去做爭取所以未來未來可能還是會跟行政爭取還是會繼續爭取現在關稅不確定性很高嘛到底是多少還不確定部長我要跟你提示一件事情齁所謂的關稅你說不確定性這個不確定性不只是來自於台灣跟美國的關稅不確定喔\n\n6\n00:02:08,011 --> 00:02:27,281\n甚至包括其他國家跟美國的關稅都會衝擊到我們台灣的產業尤其會衝擊到農業我舉例就是像類似中國縱使我們跟美國最後有一個關稅的一個定案但是中國跟美國之間的關稅好如果高達了現在說145%那勢必未來中國的這個農產品不會進入到美國的嘛\n\n7\n00:02:33,064 --> 00:02:39,450\n他會衝擊到我們其他的目標市場國對然後中國的這個農產品就會遭到捕獲啊遭到捕獲一定就是衝擊到我們所以這個的一個影響並不是說我們跟美國談的怎樣那到底我們未來這個跟美國的品項或者是我們要擴大採購美國的一些產品\n\n8\n00:02:54,184 --> 00:03:15,449\n也不是這樣而已,還有這個後面連帶的一個效應了解,就像委員所提到的,我以毛豆為例,毛豆我們最主要的產品是銷往日本那中國是銷往美國,那中國不能銷往美國的時候,它一定往日本市場到所以我們整個的一個方案支持也去強化的回防日本\n\n9\n00:03:16,169 --> 00:03:38,214\n就是我們要進去美國也要回防日本這個部分就是我們要去綜合考量除了我們跟美國的關稅以外還有美國跟特別是跟中國的關稅還有跟我們主要的競爭對手國的關稅是怎麼樣子我們才能夠評斷後續的產業支持方案怎麼去調整好所以我們就是類似在這個行銷的部分如果這樣看起來這個180億裡面你們這個擴大74億吧\n\n10\n00:03:44,806 --> 00:03:49,708\n我這邊看到72億嘛擴大海外行銷是51億那擴大國內行銷是22億所以這72億大概就是在於行銷這部分那既然有這72億的話我想要請教部長我們的具體作為是什麼我想有分為幾塊第一個區塊就是\n\n11\n00:04:05,659 --> 00:04:30,931\n你持續外銷的時候有所謂的外銷獎勵的部分然後第二個區塊就是其實我們要趁這個機會去去建構我們的國外的通路所以我們會加強我們的產品在國外的行銷的部分包括行銷的展覽或行銷的布展的部分甚至於跟國外的通路商連結的部分的這些媒合這個部分我們都會去加強然後不只是美國市場還有其他的主要目標市場我們都會來處理\n\n12\n00:04:32,372 --> 00:04:42,545\n那我們有可能在國內也辦了類似日本東京食品展類似這樣的一個策展我們也在規劃台灣能量辦這樣的一個策展邀請國際的一些業者國際的人採購來看台灣的農村產品過去都是我們到東京去因為我們想賣到東京去\n\n13\n00:04:51,556 --> 00:05:17,636\n我們現在每一年類似的像國際的食品展也在台灣辦那類似的展覽我們也在那邊評估看有沒有機會我們有沒有辦法爭取到類似這樣的一些國際策展然後在台灣舉辦然後讓台灣的這個農水產品可以大量的在這個策展裡面被大家看見我想非常謝謝韋的建議我想我們會針對這個部分我們會用一個專案的方式來評估看有沒有機會去爭取國家國際的大展在我們台灣舉辦\n\n14\n00:05:19,057 --> 00:05:44,181\n我覺得這部分真的是要這個部分很好的想法我們會來努力來找那部長這部分再加油那再進入一個產業的議題就是說現在那個養羊的協會雖然台灣的養羊並不是太多不過這個也是基於糧食安全事實上這樣的一個畜牧產業還是有它存續的一個需求\n\n15\n00:05:44,961 --> 00:06:05,649\n那他們現在面對的就是價格的因素大概從過去的一個拍賣價格在260塊現在都降到了179塊所以價格降很多那已經遠低於他們的成本價大概是在230左右所以面對這樣的一個產業的困境那農業部我們有沒有怎樣因應的一個作為呢\n\n16\n00:06:06,349 --> 00:06:26,442\n我想跟委員報告,這個羊肉的部分其實也超乎我們的預期就是一般羊肉通常在冬天比較吃得比較多,比較有消可是相對我們從一月到三月溫度比較低的時候,它的價格還是不斷的下降表示說我們的消費者對吃羊肉這件事情好像越來越不熱衷\n\n17\n00:06:27,643 --> 00:06:50,356\n就是所以怎麼樣讓消費者從實這樣子吃羊肉的這樣子一個產品包括產品的開發包括行銷跟宣導我已經要求我們的畜牧師不能只注重牛肉啊羊啊有沒有還要針對這些小眾的這個產業也要加強去做一些宣導跟提供一個讓國人知道的一個行銷的一個作為\n\n18\n00:06:52,440 --> 00:07:10,973\n這個羊羊協會是有具體說農業部能不能在他們這個比較寒冬的時候比較辛苦的時候對他們做一些這個屠宰的費用的一個補助啦那我想這部分農業部是可以徵求的這個我們會來評估但是更重要就是我想我們在接近寒冬的時候甚至不一定在寒冬啦就是要\n\n19\n00:07:11,773 --> 00:07:23,918\n多一點的國內的行銷跟宣導讓消費者來引用啦來使用我覺得這個部分我們會先來做那到時候的屠宰如果需要我對我也有吃過我們國產的油肉啦說實在的國產的油肉喔那個鹹味嘛那個鹹的味比較沒那麼重我覺得是很好吃\n\n20\n00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:51,814\n所以這個事實上農業部事實上再幫他們宣導一下料理包的部分我們會支持啦然後最後土宅的部分的協助我們到時候再看它整個的行銷的情況怎麼樣沒關係我覺得說台灣是因為我們要每一種蛋白質都很重要嘛那不同的產業有的雖然比較是小眾但是遇到困難的時候我們農業部還是要給他們寓意我想我們會關注這個產業好那如果進入今天的這個議題我最後講一下\n\n21\n00:07:57,538 --> 00:08:20,007\n事實上整個流浪狗的問題在於鄉下,尤其是海邊,事實上是很嚴重的那尤其是在養殖業越發達的地方,大概流浪狗的問題就越嚴重因為現在的流浪狗都是成群結隊的,而且牠們很厲害牠們沒到蜜蜀的時候,牠們也會跳下去去溫暖,每次去抓魚\n\n22\n00:08:22,349 --> 00:08:31,304\n自己抓魚來吃那是真的做厲害的喔已經這個流浪狗都變成獵犬他們直接都可以自己抓魚所以我覺得要處理流浪狗的問題\n\n23\n00:08:34,451 --> 00:08:52,627\n這個總共很複雜的所以保定我剛剛有聽到你回覆了很多委員的質詢不過我覺得有幾個面向我們可能可以優先處理第一個就是說這個餵食的這個就是有很多愛心比較豐富的會去餵食流浪狗\n\n24\n00:08:53,388 --> 00:09:10,978\n那他去餵食流浪狗這件事就是會變成讓這些流浪狗會滋生會繼續然後會在這邊變成一個族群所以我覺得餵食這件事應該要適度的予以限制不要讓他們再餵食了\n\n25\n00:09:11,909 --> 00:09:34,748\n好那如果沒有辦法把法定定到含罪人這個餵食流浪狗的話那至少如果他有餵食的行為的話是不是就要把他認定推定他們是事主那如果發生了流浪狗去追人流浪狗造成追車然後讓我們這裡的大人騎腳踏車去給流浪狗要把他拔到手上\n\n26\n00:09:35,765 --> 00:09:58,035\n那是不是這一些餵食的人就是說因為如果有證據證明這次流浪狗他有餵食的話他就要推定為市主所以他也應該要負擔市主跟市主一樣的責任動保法第三條第一項第七款的市主責任謝謝委員事實上現在目前有一些案例也用這樣的方式判定了但是\n\n27\n00:09:58,695 --> 00:10:19,654\n要避免那個流浪犬群聚其實飼主的餵養的這個事件如果能夠適度的停止的時候會有比較好的結果那現在我們在自然保護區的部分就已經強制性的禁止餵養但是在社區的部分你要用強制的話可能會遭到很大的反彈所以我們會再更努力的讓\n\n28\n00:10:22,284 --> 00:10:40,499\n餵養的特定的人士知道如果那隻被你養的這隻狗如果貓如果發生造成一些人群衝突的時候他必須要負擔事主責任事主責任這樣的話他們可能就會讓他們有點擔心啦所以這個宣導就變得非常重要我想後續我們會再\n\n29\n00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:59,645\n所以部長你說得很清楚嘛現在他有餵食如果這部分被人家拍照起來證明說這一隻雖然是流浪狗但是他就固定在餵食他嘛只要有證據的話他就要負擔事主責任至少部長你在這一個點你是支持而且你會貫徹這樣做而且我們應該更加強宣導讓他們知道啦這樣的話可能會減少這些飼養的行為\n\n30\n00:11:06,067 --> 00:11:14,215\n好那就從宣導面先加強啦這流浪國的問題我估計這很多我實在時間不夠了以後有機會再跟部長來討論好不好好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6325\t9367\t謝謝主席那我們是有請農業部長陳部長部長好部長我們事實上在早上9點的時候我們有開記者會我們是集會委員那我們是針對現在是這一個這個關稅那這個國土強韌特別條例強化經濟\n35948\t54600\t社會及國土強韌的一個特別條例的一個草案那這個草案編列的4100億那我們看到農業的部分大概還是維持180億那我們主要的一個訴求就是說你看從這個關稅的時候原本880億農業部是匡列180億\n58002\t60985\t現在已經擴張到了4100億的一個規模但是農業的部分還是180億所以我想要請教部長你認為180億足以因應我們接下來因為關稅談判的一個結果\n73156\t97834\t所对于我们的浓水产品造成的冲击180亿购码我想跟委员报告就是现在关税正在谈判所以最后的关税的结果是怎么样还有很高的不确定性那以现在10%的30天的暂缓期那在这个短时间之内透过金融支持跟后面的国内外行销的部分这个经费看起来是足够的\n98234\t127171\t但是如果後續如果關稅定案以後關稅的衝擊我們會重新去評估這樣這樣的衝擊如果遠高於我們預期的時候那相對的我們需要更多的經費一定會向行政院去做爭取所以未來未來可能還是會跟行政爭取還是會繼續爭取現在關稅不確定性很高嘛到底是多少還不確定部長我要跟你提示一件事情齁所謂的關稅你說不確定性這個不確定性不只是來自於台灣跟美國的關稅不確定喔\n128011\t147281\t甚至包括其他國家跟美國的關稅都會衝擊到我們台灣的產業尤其會衝擊到農業我舉例就是像類似中國縱使我們跟美國最後有一個關稅的一個定案但是中國跟美國之間的關稅好如果高達了現在說145%那勢必未來中國的這個農產品不會進入到美國的嘛\n153064\t159450\t他會衝擊到我們其他的目標市場國對 然後中國的這個農產品就會遭到捕獲啊遭到捕獲一定就是衝擊到我們所以這個的一個影響並不是說我們跟美國談的怎樣那到底我們未來這個跟美國的品項或者是我們要擴大採購美國的一些產品\n174184\t195449\t也不是這樣而已,還有這個後面連帶的一個效應了解,就像委員所提到的,我以毛豆為例,毛豆我們最主要的產品是銷往日本那中國是銷往美國,那中國不能銷往美國的時候,它一定往日本市場到所以我們整個的一個方案支持也去強化的回防日本\n196169\t218214\t就是我們要進去美國也要回防日本這個部分就是我們要去綜合考量除了我們跟美國的關稅以外還有美國跟特別是跟中國的關稅還有跟我們主要的競爭對手國的關稅是怎麼樣子我們才能夠評斷後續的產業支持方案怎麼去調整好所以我們就是類似在這個行銷的部分如果這樣看起來這個180億裡面你們這個擴大74億吧\n224806\t229708\t我這邊看到72億嘛 擴大海外行銷是51億那擴大國內行銷是22億所以這72億大概就是在於行銷這部分那既然有這72億的話我想要請教部長我們的具體作為是什麼我想有分為幾塊第一個區塊就是\n245659\t270931\t你持續外銷的時候有所謂的外銷獎勵的部分然後第二個區塊就是其實我們要趁這個機會去去建構我們的國外的通路所以我們會加強我們的產品在國外的行銷的部分包括行銷的展覽或行銷的布展的部分甚至於跟國外的通路商連結的部分的這些媒合這個部分我們都會去加強然後不只是美國市場還有其他的主要目標市場我們都會來處理\n272372\t282545\t那我們有可能在國內也辦了類似日本東京食品展類似這樣的一個策展我們也在規劃台灣能量辦這樣的一個策展邀請國際的一些業者國際的人採購來看台灣的農村產品過去都是我們到東京去因為我們想賣到東京去\n291556\t317636\t我們現在每一年類似的像國際的食品展也在台灣辦那類似的展覽我們也在那邊評估看有沒有機會我們有沒有辦法爭取到類似這樣的一些國際策展然後在台灣舉辦然後讓台灣的這個農水產品可以大量的在這個策展裡面被大家看見我想非常謝謝韋的建議我想我們會針對這個部分我們會用一個專案的方式來評估看有沒有機會去爭取國家國際的大展在我們台灣舉辦\n319057\t344181\t我覺得這部分真的是要這個部分很好的想法我們會來努力來找那部長這部分再加油那再進入一個產業的議題就是說現在那個養羊的協會雖然台灣的養羊並不是太多不過這個也是基於糧食安全事實上這樣的一個畜牧產業還是有它存續的一個需求\n344961\t365649\t那他們現在面對的就是價格的因素大概從過去的一個拍賣價格在260塊現在都降到了179塊所以價格降很多那已經遠低於他們的成本價大概是在230左右所以面對這樣的一個產業的困境那農業部我們有沒有怎樣因應的一個作為呢\n366349\t386442\t我想跟委員報告,這個羊肉的部分其實也超乎我們的預期就是一般羊肉通常在冬天比較吃得比較多,比較有消可是相對我們從一月到三月溫度比較低的時候,它的價格還是不斷的下降表示說我們的消費者對吃羊肉這件事情好像越來越不熱衷\n387643\t410356\t就是所以怎麼樣讓消費者從實這樣子吃羊肉的這樣子一個產品包括產品的開發包括行銷跟宣導我已經要求我們的畜牧師不能只注重牛肉啊羊啊有沒有還要針對這些小眾的這個產業也要加強去做一些宣導跟提供一個讓國人知道的一個行銷的一個作為\n412440\t430973\t這個羊羊協會是有具體說農業部能不能在他們這個比較寒冬的時候比較辛苦的時候對他們做一些這個屠宰的費用的一個補助啦那我想這部分農業部是可以徵求的這個我們會來評估但是更重要就是我想我們在接近寒冬的時候甚至不一定在寒冬啦就是要\n431773\t443918\t多一點的國內的行銷跟宣導讓消費者來引用啦來使用我覺得這個部分我們會先來做那到時候的屠宰如果需要我對我也有吃過我們國產的油肉啦說實在的國產的油肉喔那個鹹味嘛那個鹹的味比較沒那麼重我覺得是很好吃\n450360\t471814\t所以這個事實上農業部事實上再幫他們宣導一下料理包的部分我們會支持啦然後最後土宅的部分的協助我們到時候再看它整個的行銷的情況怎麼樣沒關係我覺得說台灣是因為我們要每一種蛋白質都很重要嘛那不同的產業有的雖然比較是小眾但是遇到困難的時候我們農業部還是要給他們寓意我想我們會關注這個產業好那如果進入今天的這個議題我最後講一下\n477538\t500007\t事實上整個流浪狗的問題在於鄉下,尤其是海邊,事實上是很嚴重的那尤其是在養殖業越發達的地方,大概流浪狗的問題就越嚴重因為現在的流浪狗都是成群結隊的,而且牠們很厲害牠們沒到蜜蜀的時候,牠們也會跳下去去溫暖,每次去抓魚\n502349\t511304\t自己抓魚來吃 那是真的做厲害的喔已經這個流浪狗都變成獵犬 他們直接都可以自己抓魚所以我覺得要處理流浪狗的問題\n514451\t532627\t這個總共很複雜的所以保定我剛剛有聽到你回覆了很多委員的質詢不過我覺得有幾個面向我們可能可以優先處理第一個就是說這個餵食的這個就是有很多愛心比較豐富的會去餵食流浪狗\n533388\t550978\t那他去餵食流浪狗這件事就是會變成讓這些流浪狗會滋生會繼續然後會在這邊變成一個族群所以我覺得餵食這件事應該要適度的予以限制不要讓他們再餵食了\n551909\t574748\t好 那如果沒有辦法把法定定到 含罪人這個餵食流浪狗的話那至少如果他有餵食的行為的話是不是就要把他認定 推定他們是事主那如果發生了流浪狗去追人 流浪狗造成追車然後讓我們這裡的大人騎腳踏車去給流浪狗 要把他拔到手上\n575765\t598035\t那是不是這一些餵食的人就是說因為如果有證據證明這次流浪狗他有餵食的話他就要推定為市主所以他也應該要負擔市主跟市主一樣的責任動保法第三條第一項第七款的市主責任謝謝委員事實上現在目前有一些案例也用這樣的方式判定了但是\n598695\t619654\t要避免那個流浪犬群聚其實飼主的餵養的這個事件如果能夠適度的停止的時候會有比較好的結果那現在我們在自然保護區的部分就已經強制性的禁止餵養但是在社區的部分你要用強制的話可能會遭到很大的反彈所以我們會再更努力的讓\n622284\t640499\t餵養的特定的人士知道如果那隻被你養的這隻狗 如果貓如果發生 造成一些人群衝突的時候他必須要負擔事主責任事主責任 這樣的話他們可能就會讓他們有點擔心啦所以這個宣導就變得非常重要我想後續我們會再\n641880\t659645\t所以部長你說得很清楚嘛現在他有餵食如果這部分被人家拍照起來證明說這一隻雖然是流浪狗但是他就固定在餵食他嘛只要有證據的話他就要負擔事主責任至少部長你在這一個點你是支持而且你會貫徹這樣做而且我們應該更加強宣導讓他們知道啦這樣的話可能會減少這些飼養的行為\n666067\t674215\t好那就從宣導面先加強啦這流浪國的問題我估計這很多我實在時間不夠了以後有機會再跟部長來討論好不好好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席那我們是有請農業部長陳部長部長好部長我們事實上在早上9點的時候我們有開記者會我們是集會委員那我們是針對現在是這一個這個關稅那這個國土強韌特別條例強化經濟\n社會及國土強韌的一個特別條例的一個草案那這個草案編列的4100億那我們看到農業的部分大概還是維持180億那我們主要的一個訴求就是說你看從這個關稅的時候原本880億農業部是匡列180億\n現在已經擴張到了4100億的一個規模但是農業的部分還是180億所以我想要請教部長你認為180億足以因應我們接下來因為關稅談判的一個結果\n所对于我们的浓水产品造成的冲击180亿购码我想跟委员报告就是现在关税正在谈判所以最后的关税的结果是怎么样还有很高的不确定性那以现在10%的30天的暂缓期那在这个短时间之内透过金融支持跟后面的国内外行销的部分这个经费看起来是足够的\n但是如果後續如果關稅定案以後關稅的衝擊我們會重新去評估這樣這樣的衝擊如果遠高於我們預期的時候那相對的我們需要更多的經費一定會向行政院去做爭取所以未來未來可能還是會跟行政爭取還是會繼續爭取現在關稅不確定性很高嘛到底是多少還不確定部長我要跟你提示一件事情齁所謂的關稅你說不確定性這個不確定性不只是來自於台灣跟美國的關稅不確定喔\n甚至包括其他國家跟美國的關稅都會衝擊到我們台灣的產業尤其會衝擊到農業我舉例就是像類似中國縱使我們跟美國最後有一個關稅的一個定案但是中國跟美國之間的關稅好如果高達了現在說145%那勢必未來中國的這個農產品不會進入到美國的嘛\n他會衝擊到我們其他的目標市場國對 然後中國的這個農產品就會遭到捕獲啊遭到捕獲一定就是衝擊到我們所以這個的一個影響並不是說我們跟美國談的怎樣那到底我們未來這個跟美國的品項或者是我們要擴大採購美國的一些產品\n也不是這樣而已,還有這個後面連帶的一個效應了解,就像委員所提到的,我以毛豆為例,毛豆我們最主要的產品是銷往日本那中國是銷往美國,那中國不能銷往美國的時候,它一定往日本市場到所以我們整個的一個方案支持也去強化的回防日本\n就是我們要進去美國也要回防日本這個部分就是我們要去綜合考量除了我們跟美國的關稅以外還有美國跟特別是跟中國的關稅還有跟我們主要的競爭對手國的關稅是怎麼樣子我們才能夠評斷後續的產業支持方案怎麼去調整好所以我們就是類似在這個行銷的部分如果這樣看起來這個180億裡面你們這個擴大74億吧\n我這邊看到72億嘛 擴大海外行銷是51億那擴大國內行銷是22億所以這72億大概就是在於行銷這部分那既然有這72億的話我想要請教部長我們的具體作為是什麼我想有分為幾塊第一個區塊就是\n你持續外銷的時候有所謂的外銷獎勵的部分然後第二個區塊就是其實我們要趁這個機會去去建構我們的國外的通路所以我們會加強我們的產品在國外的行銷的部分包括行銷的展覽或行銷的布展的部分甚至於跟國外的通路商連結的部分的這些媒合這個部分我們都會去加強然後不只是美國市場還有其他的主要目標市場我們都會來處理\n那我們有可能在國內也辦了類似日本東京食品展類似這樣的一個策展我們也在規劃台灣能量辦這樣的一個策展邀請國際的一些業者國際的人採購來看台灣的農村產品過去都是我們到東京去因為我們想賣到東京去\n我們現在每一年類似的像國際的食品展也在台灣辦那類似的展覽我們也在那邊評估看有沒有機會我們有沒有辦法爭取到類似這樣的一些國際策展然後在台灣舉辦然後讓台灣的這個農水產品可以大量的在這個策展裡面被大家看見我想非常謝謝韋的建議我想我們會針對這個部分我們會用一個專案的方式來評估看有沒有機會去爭取國家國際的大展在我們台灣舉辦\n我覺得這部分真的是要這個部分很好的想法我們會來努力來找那部長這部分再加油那再進入一個產業的議題就是說現在那個養羊的協會雖然台灣的養羊並不是太多不過這個也是基於糧食安全事實上這樣的一個畜牧產業還是有它存續的一個需求\n那他們現在面對的就是價格的因素大概從過去的一個拍賣價格在260塊現在都降到了179塊所以價格降很多那已經遠低於他們的成本價大概是在230左右所以面對這樣的一個產業的困境那農業部我們有沒有怎樣因應的一個作為呢\n我想跟委員報告,這個羊肉的部分其實也超乎我們的預期就是一般羊肉通常在冬天比較吃得比較多,比較有消可是相對我們從一月到三月溫度比較低的時候,它的價格還是不斷的下降表示說我們的消費者對吃羊肉這件事情好像越來越不熱衷\n就是所以怎麼樣讓消費者從實這樣子吃羊肉的這樣子一個產品包括產品的開發包括行銷跟宣導我已經要求我們的畜牧師不能只注重牛肉啊羊啊有沒有還要針對這些小眾的這個產業也要加強去做一些宣導跟提供一個讓國人知道的一個行銷的一個作為\n這個羊羊協會是有具體說農業部能不能在他們這個比較寒冬的時候比較辛苦的時候對他們做一些這個屠宰的費用的一個補助啦那我想這部分農業部是可以徵求的這個我們會來評估但是更重要就是我想我們在接近寒冬的時候甚至不一定在寒冬啦就是要\n多一點的國內的行銷跟宣導讓消費者來引用啦來使用我覺得這個部分我們會先來做那到時候的屠宰如果需要我對我也有吃過我們國產的油肉啦說實在的國產的油肉喔那個鹹味嘛那個鹹的味比較沒那麼重我覺得是很好吃\n所以這個事實上農業部事實上再幫他們宣導一下料理包的部分我們會支持啦然後最後土宅的部分的協助我們到時候再看它整個的行銷的情況怎麼樣沒關係我覺得說台灣是因為我們要每一種蛋白質都很重要嘛那不同的產業有的雖然比較是小眾但是遇到困難的時候我們農業部還是要給他們寓意我想我們會關注這個產業好那如果進入今天的這個議題我最後講一下\n事實上整個流浪狗的問題在於鄉下,尤其是海邊,事實上是很嚴重的那尤其是在養殖業越發達的地方,大概流浪狗的問題就越嚴重因為現在的流浪狗都是成群結隊的,而且牠們很厲害牠們沒到蜜蜀的時候,牠們也會跳下去去溫暖,每次去抓魚\n自己抓魚來吃 那是真的做厲害的喔已經這個流浪狗都變成獵犬 他們直接都可以自己抓魚所以我覺得要處理流浪狗的問題\n這個總共很複雜的所以保定我剛剛有聽到你回覆了很多委員的質詢不過我覺得有幾個面向我們可能可以優先處理第一個就是說這個餵食的這個就是有很多愛心比較豐富的會去餵食流浪狗\n那他去餵食流浪狗這件事就是會變成讓這些流浪狗會滋生會繼續然後會在這邊變成一個族群所以我覺得餵食這件事應該要適度的予以限制不要讓他們再餵食了\n好 那如果沒有辦法把法定定到 含罪人這個餵食流浪狗的話那至少如果他有餵食的行為的話是不是就要把他認定 推定他們是事主那如果發生了流浪狗去追人 流浪狗造成追車然後讓我們這裡的大人騎腳踏車去給流浪狗 要把他拔到手上\n那是不是這一些餵食的人就是說因為如果有證據證明這次流浪狗他有餵食的話他就要推定為市主所以他也應該要負擔市主跟市主一樣的責任動保法第三條第一項第七款的市主責任謝謝委員事實上現在目前有一些案例也用這樣的方式判定了但是\n要避免那個流浪犬群聚其實飼主的餵養的這個事件如果能夠適度的停止的時候會有比較好的結果那現在我們在自然保護區的部分就已經強制性的禁止餵養但是在社區的部分你要用強制的話可能會遭到很大的反彈所以我們會再更努力的讓\n餵養的特定的人士知道如果那隻被你養的這隻狗 如果貓如果發生 造成一些人群衝突的時候他必須要負擔事主責任事主責任 這樣的話他們可能就會讓他們有點擔心啦所以這個宣導就變得非常重要我想後續我們會再\n所以部長你說得很清楚嘛現在他有餵食如果這部分被人家拍照起來證明說這一隻雖然是流浪狗但是他就固定在餵食他嘛只要有證據的話他就要負擔事主責任至少部長你在這一個點你是支持而且你會貫徹這樣做而且我們應該更加強宣導讓他們知道啦這樣的話可能會減少這些飼養的行為\n好那就從宣導面先加強啦這流浪國的問題我估計這很多我實在時間不夠了以後有機會再跟部長來討論好不好好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.325 --> 00:09.367\n謝謝主席那我們是有請農業部長陳部長部長好部長我們事實上在早上9點的時候我們有開記者會我們是集會委員那我們是針對現在是這一個這個關稅那這個國土強韌特別條例強化經濟\n\n00:35.948 --> 00:54.600\n社會及國土強韌的一個特別條例的一個草案那這個草案編列的4100億那我們看到農業的部分大概還是維持180億那我們主要的一個訴求就是說你看從這個關稅的時候原本880億農業部是匡列180億\n\n00:58.002 --> 01:00.985\n現在已經擴張到了4100億的一個規模但是農業的部分還是180億所以我想要請教部長你認為180億足以因應我們接下來因為關稅談判的一個結果\n\n01:13.156 --> 01:37.834\n所对于我们的浓水产品造成的冲击180亿购码我想跟委员报告就是现在关税正在谈判所以最后的关税的结果是怎么样还有很高的不确定性那以现在10%的30天的暂缓期那在这个短时间之内透过金融支持跟后面的国内外行销的部分这个经费看起来是足够的\n\n01:38.234 --> 02:07.171\n但是如果後續如果關稅定案以後關稅的衝擊我們會重新去評估這樣這樣的衝擊如果遠高於我們預期的時候那相對的我們需要更多的經費一定會向行政院去做爭取所以未來未來可能還是會跟行政爭取還是會繼續爭取現在關稅不確定性很高嘛到底是多少還不確定部長我要跟你提示一件事情齁所謂的關稅你說不確定性這個不確定性不只是來自於台灣跟美國的關稅不確定喔\n\n02:08.011 --> 02:27.281\n甚至包括其他國家跟美國的關稅都會衝擊到我們台灣的產業尤其會衝擊到農業我舉例就是像類似中國縱使我們跟美國最後有一個關稅的一個定案但是中國跟美國之間的關稅好如果高達了現在說145%那勢必未來中國的這個農產品不會進入到美國的嘛\n\n02:33.064 --> 02:39.450\n他會衝擊到我們其他的目標市場國對然後中國的這個農產品就會遭到捕獲啊遭到捕獲一定就是衝擊到我們所以這個的一個影響並不是說我們跟美國談的怎樣那到底我們未來這個跟美國的品項或者是我們要擴大採購美國的一些產品\n\n02:54.184 --> 03:15.449\n也不是這樣而已,還有這個後面連帶的一個效應了解,就像委員所提到的,我以毛豆為例,毛豆我們最主要的產品是銷往日本那中國是銷往美國,那中國不能銷往美國的時候,它一定往日本市場到所以我們整個的一個方案支持也去強化的回防日本\n\n03:16.169 --> 03:38.214\n就是我們要進去美國也要回防日本這個部分就是我們要去綜合考量除了我們跟美國的關稅以外還有美國跟特別是跟中國的關稅還有跟我們主要的競爭對手國的關稅是怎麼樣子我們才能夠評斷後續的產業支持方案怎麼去調整好所以我們就是類似在這個行銷的部分如果這樣看起來這個180億裡面你們這個擴大74億吧\n\n03:44.806 --> 03:49.708\n我這邊看到72億嘛擴大海外行銷是51億那擴大國內行銷是22億所以這72億大概就是在於行銷這部分那既然有這72億的話我想要請教部長我們的具體作為是什麼我想有分為幾塊第一個區塊就是\n\n04:05.659 --> 04:30.931\n你持續外銷的時候有所謂的外銷獎勵的部分然後第二個區塊就是其實我們要趁這個機會去去建構我們的國外的通路所以我們會加強我們的產品在國外的行銷的部分包括行銷的展覽或行銷的布展的部分甚至於跟國外的通路商連結的部分的這些媒合這個部分我們都會去加強然後不只是美國市場還有其他的主要目標市場我們都會來處理\n\n04:32.372 --> 04:42.545\n那我們有可能在國內也辦了類似日本東京食品展類似這樣的一個策展我們也在規劃台灣能量辦這樣的一個策展邀請國際的一些業者國際的人採購來看台灣的農村產品過去都是我們到東京去因為我們想賣到東京去\n\n04:51.556 --> 05:17.636\n我們現在每一年類似的像國際的食品展也在台灣辦那類似的展覽我們也在那邊評估看有沒有機會我們有沒有辦法爭取到類似這樣的一些國際策展然後在台灣舉辦然後讓台灣的這個農水產品可以大量的在這個策展裡面被大家看見我想非常謝謝韋的建議我想我們會針對這個部分我們會用一個專案的方式來評估看有沒有機會去爭取國家國際的大展在我們台灣舉辦\n\n05:19.057 --> 05:44.181\n我覺得這部分真的是要這個部分很好的想法我們會來努力來找那部長這部分再加油那再進入一個產業的議題就是說現在那個養羊的協會雖然台灣的養羊並不是太多不過這個也是基於糧食安全事實上這樣的一個畜牧產業還是有它存續的一個需求\n\n05:44.961 --> 06:05.649\n那他們現在面對的就是價格的因素大概從過去的一個拍賣價格在260塊現在都降到了179塊所以價格降很多那已經遠低於他們的成本價大概是在230左右所以面對這樣的一個產業的困境那農業部我們有沒有怎樣因應的一個作為呢\n\n06:06.349 --> 06:26.442\n我想跟委員報告,這個羊肉的部分其實也超乎我們的預期就是一般羊肉通常在冬天比較吃得比較多,比較有消可是相對我們從一月到三月溫度比較低的時候,它的價格還是不斷的下降表示說我們的消費者對吃羊肉這件事情好像越來越不熱衷\n\n06:27.643 --> 06:50.356\n就是所以怎麼樣讓消費者從實這樣子吃羊肉的這樣子一個產品包括產品的開發包括行銷跟宣導我已經要求我們的畜牧師不能只注重牛肉啊羊啊有沒有還要針對這些小眾的這個產業也要加強去做一些宣導跟提供一個讓國人知道的一個行銷的一個作為\n\n06:52.440 --> 07:10.973\n這個羊羊協會是有具體說農業部能不能在他們這個比較寒冬的時候比較辛苦的時候對他們做一些這個屠宰的費用的一個補助啦那我想這部分農業部是可以徵求的這個我們會來評估但是更重要就是我想我們在接近寒冬的時候甚至不一定在寒冬啦就是要\n\n07:11.773 --> 07:23.918\n多一點的國內的行銷跟宣導讓消費者來引用啦來使用我覺得這個部分我們會先來做那到時候的屠宰如果需要我對我也有吃過我們國產的油肉啦說實在的國產的油肉喔那個鹹味嘛那個鹹的味比較沒那麼重我覺得是很好吃\n\n07:30.360 --> 07:51.814\n所以這個事實上農業部事實上再幫他們宣導一下料理包的部分我們會支持啦然後最後土宅的部分的協助我們到時候再看它整個的行銷的情況怎麼樣沒關係我覺得說台灣是因為我們要每一種蛋白質都很重要嘛那不同的產業有的雖然比較是小眾但是遇到困難的時候我們農業部還是要給他們寓意我想我們會關注這個產業好那如果進入今天的這個議題我最後講一下\n\n07:57.538 --> 08:20.007\n事實上整個流浪狗的問題在於鄉下,尤其是海邊,事實上是很嚴重的那尤其是在養殖業越發達的地方,大概流浪狗的問題就越嚴重因為現在的流浪狗都是成群結隊的,而且牠們很厲害牠們沒到蜜蜀的時候,牠們也會跳下去去溫暖,每次去抓魚\n\n08:22.349 --> 08:31.304\n自己抓魚來吃那是真的做厲害的喔已經這個流浪狗都變成獵犬他們直接都可以自己抓魚所以我覺得要處理流浪狗的問題\n\n08:34.451 --> 08:52.627\n這個總共很複雜的所以保定我剛剛有聽到你回覆了很多委員的質詢不過我覺得有幾個面向我們可能可以優先處理第一個就是說這個餵食的這個就是有很多愛心比較豐富的會去餵食流浪狗\n\n08:53.388 --> 09:10.978\n那他去餵食流浪狗這件事就是會變成讓這些流浪狗會滋生會繼續然後會在這邊變成一個族群所以我覺得餵食這件事應該要適度的予以限制不要讓他們再餵食了\n\n09:11.909 --> 09:34.748\n好那如果沒有辦法把法定定到含罪人這個餵食流浪狗的話那至少如果他有餵食的行為的話是不是就要把他認定推定他們是事主那如果發生了流浪狗去追人流浪狗造成追車然後讓我們這裡的大人騎腳踏車去給流浪狗要把他拔到手上\n\n09:35.765 --> 09:58.035\n那是不是這一些餵食的人就是說因為如果有證據證明這次流浪狗他有餵食的話他就要推定為市主所以他也應該要負擔市主跟市主一樣的責任動保法第三條第一項第七款的市主責任謝謝委員事實上現在目前有一些案例也用這樣的方式判定了但是\n\n09:58.695 --> 10:19.654\n要避免那個流浪犬群聚其實飼主的餵養的這個事件如果能夠適度的停止的時候會有比較好的結果那現在我們在自然保護區的部分就已經強制性的禁止餵養但是在社區的部分你要用強制的話可能會遭到很大的反彈所以我們會再更努力的讓\n\n10:22.284 --> 10:40.499\n餵養的特定的人士知道如果那隻被你養的這隻狗如果貓如果發生造成一些人群衝突的時候他必須要負擔事主責任事主責任這樣的話他們可能就會讓他們有點擔心啦所以這個宣導就變得非常重要我想後續我們會再\n\n10:41.880 --> 10:59.645\n所以部長你說得很清楚嘛現在他有餵食如果這部分被人家拍照起來證明說這一隻雖然是流浪狗但是他就固定在餵食他嘛只要有證據的話他就要負擔事主責任至少部長你在這一個點你是支持而且你會貫徹這樣做而且我們應該更加強宣導讓他們知道啦這樣的話可能會減少這些飼養的行為\n\n11:06.067 --> 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擴大海外行銷是51億那擴大國內行銷是22億所以這72億大概就是在於行銷這部分那既然有這72億的話我想要請教部長我們的具體作為是什麼我想有分為幾塊第一個區塊就是"},{"start":245.659,"end":270.931,"text":"你持續外銷的時候有所謂的外銷獎勵的部分然後第二個區塊就是其實我們要趁這個機會去去建構我們的國外的通路所以我們會加強我們的產品在國外的行銷的部分包括行銷的展覽或行銷的布展的部分甚至於跟國外的通路商連結的部分的這些媒合這個部分我們都會去加強然後不只是美國市場還有其他的主要目標市場我們都會來處理"},{"start":272.372,"end":282.545,"text":"那我們有可能在國內也辦了類似日本東京食品展類似這樣的一個策展我們也在規劃台灣能量辦這樣的一個策展邀請國際的一些業者國際的人採購來看台灣的農村產品過去都是我們到東京去因為我們想賣到東京去"},{"start":291.556,"end":317.636,"text":"我們現在每一年類似的像國際的食品展也在台灣辦那類似的展覽我們也在那邊評估看有沒有機會我們有沒有辦法爭取到類似這樣的一些國際策展然後在台灣舉辦然後讓台灣的這個農水產品可以大量的在這個策展裡面被大家看見我想非常謝謝韋的建議我想我們會針對這個部分我們會用一個專案的方式來評估看有沒有機會去爭取國家國際的大展在我們台灣舉辦"},{"start":319.057,"end":344.181,"text":"我覺得這部分真的是要這個部分很好的想法我們會來努力來找那部長這部分再加油那再進入一個產業的議題就是說現在那個養羊的協會雖然台灣的養羊並不是太多不過這個也是基於糧食安全事實上這樣的一個畜牧產業還是有它存續的一個需求"},{"start":344.961,"end":365.649,"text":"那他們現在面對的就是價格的因素大概從過去的一個拍賣價格在260塊現在都降到了179塊所以價格降很多那已經遠低於他們的成本價大概是在230左右所以面對這樣的一個產業的困境那農業部我們有沒有怎樣因應的一個作為呢"},{"start":366.349,"end":386.442,"text":"我想跟委員報告,這個羊肉的部分其實也超乎我們的預期就是一般羊肉通常在冬天比較吃得比較多,比較有消可是相對我們從一月到三月溫度比較低的時候,它的價格還是不斷的下降表示說我們的消費者對吃羊肉這件事情好像越來越不熱衷"},{"start":387.643,"end":410.356,"text":"就是所以怎麼樣讓消費者從實這樣子吃羊肉的這樣子一個產品包括產品的開發包括行銷跟宣導我已經要求我們的畜牧師不能只注重牛肉啊羊啊有沒有還要針對這些小眾的這個產業也要加強去做一些宣導跟提供一個讓國人知道的一個行銷的一個作為"},{"start":412.44,"end":430.973,"text":"這個羊羊協會是有具體說農業部能不能在他們這個比較寒冬的時候比較辛苦的時候對他們做一些這個屠宰的費用的一個補助啦那我想這部分農業部是可以徵求的這個我們會來評估但是更重要就是我想我們在接近寒冬的時候甚至不一定在寒冬啦就是要"},{"start":431.773,"end":443.918,"text":"多一點的國內的行銷跟宣導讓消費者來引用啦來使用我覺得這個部分我們會先來做那到時候的屠宰如果需要我對我也有吃過我們國產的油肉啦說實在的國產的油肉喔那個鹹味嘛那個鹹的味比較沒那麼重我覺得是很好吃"},{"start":450.36,"end":471.814,"text":"所以這個事實上農業部事實上再幫他們宣導一下料理包的部分我們會支持啦然後最後土宅的部分的協助我們到時候再看它整個的行銷的情況怎麼樣沒關係我覺得說台灣是因為我們要每一種蛋白質都很重要嘛那不同的產業有的雖然比較是小眾但是遇到困難的時候我們農業部還是要給他們寓意我想我們會關注這個產業好那如果進入今天的這個議題我最後講一下"},{"start":477.538,"end":500.007,"text":"事實上整個流浪狗的問題在於鄉下,尤其是海邊,事實上是很嚴重的那尤其是在養殖業越發達的地方,大概流浪狗的問題就越嚴重因為現在的流浪狗都是成群結隊的,而且牠們很厲害牠們沒到蜜蜀的時候,牠們也會跳下去去溫暖,每次去抓魚"},{"start":502.349,"end":511.304,"text":"自己抓魚來吃 那是真的做厲害的喔已經這個流浪狗都變成獵犬 他們直接都可以自己抓魚所以我覺得要處理流浪狗的問題"},{"start":514.451,"end":532.627,"text":"這個總共很複雜的所以保定我剛剛有聽到你回覆了很多委員的質詢不過我覺得有幾個面向我們可能可以優先處理第一個就是說這個餵食的這個就是有很多愛心比較豐富的會去餵食流浪狗"},{"start":533.388,"end":550.978,"text":"那他去餵食流浪狗這件事就是會變成讓這些流浪狗會滋生會繼續然後會在這邊變成一個族群所以我覺得餵食這件事應該要適度的予以限制不要讓他們再餵食了"},{"start":551.909,"end":574.748,"text":"好 那如果沒有辦法把法定定到 含罪人這個餵食流浪狗的話那至少如果他有餵食的行為的話是不是就要把他認定 推定他們是事主那如果發生了流浪狗去追人 流浪狗造成追車然後讓我們這裡的大人騎腳踏車去給流浪狗 要把他拔到手上"},{"start":575.765,"end":598.035,"text":"那是不是這一些餵食的人就是說因為如果有證據證明這次流浪狗他有餵食的話他就要推定為市主所以他也應該要負擔市主跟市主一樣的責任動保法第三條第一項第七款的市主責任謝謝委員事實上現在目前有一些案例也用這樣的方式判定了但是"},{"start":598.695,"end":619.654,"text":"要避免那個流浪犬群聚其實飼主的餵養的這個事件如果能夠適度的停止的時候會有比較好的結果那現在我們在自然保護區的部分就已經強制性的禁止餵養但是在社區的部分你要用強制的話可能會遭到很大的反彈所以我們會再更努力的讓"},{"start":622.284,"end":640.499,"text":"餵養的特定的人士知道如果那隻被你養的這隻狗 如果貓如果發生 造成一些人群衝突的時候他必須要負擔事主責任事主責任 這樣的話他們可能就會讓他們有點擔心啦所以這個宣導就變得非常重要我想後續我們會再"},{"start":641.88,"end":659.645,"text":"所以部長你說得很清楚嘛現在他有餵食如果這部分被人家拍照起來證明說這一隻雖然是流浪狗但是他就固定在餵食他嘛只要有證據的話他就要負擔事主責任至少部長你在這一個點你是支持而且你會貫徹這樣做而且我們應該更加強宣導讓他們知道啦這樣的話可能會減少這些飼養的行為"},{"start":666.067,"end":674.215,"text":"好那就從宣導面先加強啦這流浪國的問題我估計這很多我實在時間不夠了以後有機會再跟部長來討論好不好好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":1031,"blocks":[["蔡委員易餘：（12時20分）謝謝主席。是不是有請農業部部長？"],["主席：陳部長。"],["陳部長駿季：委員好。"],["蔡委員易餘：部長好。部長，事實上在早上9點的時候我們十幾位委員有開記者會，是針對因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例的草案，這個草案編列了4,100億，我們看到農業的部分大概還是維持180億，我們主要的訴求是，從這一次關稅談判的時候，原本編列880億，農業部是匡列180億，現在已經擴大到了4,100億的規模，但是農業的部分還是180億，所以我想要請教部長，你認為180億足以因應接下來關稅談判的結果對於我們的農、水產品造成的衝擊，匡列180億夠嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：跟委員報告，現在關稅正在談判，所以最後關稅談判的結果是怎麼樣還有很高的不確定性，以現在10%關稅過了30天的暫緩期，在這個短時間之內，透過金融支持跟後面國內外行銷的部分，這個經費看起來是足夠的，但是後續如果關稅定案以後，我們會重新去評估關稅的衝擊，如果衝擊遠高於我們預期的時候，相對地我們需要更多的經費，一定會向行政院去做爭取。"],["蔡委員易餘：所以未來可能還是會繼續爭取。"],["陳部長駿季：還是會跟行政院爭取，因為現在關稅不確定性很高，到底是多少還不確定。"],["蔡委員易餘：部長，我要跟你提醒一件事情，所謂的關稅的不確定性，這個不確定性不只是來自於臺灣跟美國的關稅不確定，甚至包括其他國家跟美國的關稅，都會衝擊到臺灣的產業，尤其會衝擊到農業。"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["蔡委員易餘：我舉例，像類似中國，縱使我們跟美國最後有關稅的定案，但是中國跟美國之間的關稅，就像現在高達了145%，勢必未來中國的農產品不會進入到美國。"],["陳部長駿季：他會衝擊到我們其他的目標市場國。"],["蔡委員易餘：對，然後中國的農產品就會跑去別的地方。"],["陳部長駿季：對。"],["蔡委員易餘：中國農產品跑去別的地方，一定就會衝擊到我們的農產品，所以關稅的影響並不只是我們跟美國談的怎樣，到底我們未來跟美國的品項，或者是我們要擴大採購美國的一些產品，也不只這樣而已，還有後面連帶的效應。"],["陳部長駿季：了解，就像委員所提到的，我以毛豆為例，我們毛豆最主要是銷往日本；中國是銷往美國，當中國不能銷往美國的時候，他一定往日本市場倒。"],["蔡委員易餘：是啊，他還是會到其他……"],["陳部長駿季：我們整個支持方案也去強化回防日本，就是我們要進軍美國，也要回防日本，這個部分我們要去綜合考量，除了我們跟美國的關稅以外，特別是中國跟美國的關稅，還有美國跟我們主要的競爭對手國的關稅是怎麼樣，我們才能夠去評斷後續的產業支持方案怎麼調整。"],["蔡委員易餘：好，所以類似在這個行銷的部分，這樣看起來對180億裡面，你們擴大有……"],["陳部長駿季：74億吧？"],["蔡委員易餘：對，我這邊看到72億。"],["陳部長駿季：72億。"],["蔡委員易餘：擴大海外行銷是50億。"],["陳部長駿季：對，海外行銷而不限於美國市場。"],["蔡委員易餘：擴大國內行銷是22億，所以這72億大概就是在於行銷的部分。"],["陳部長駿季：對！"],["蔡委員易餘：既然有這72億的話，我想要請教部長，我們的具體作為是什麼？"],["陳部長駿季：我想有分為幾塊，第一個區塊，持續外銷有所謂外銷獎勵的部分；第二個區塊，其實要趁這個機會去建構我們國外的通路，所以會加強我們的產品在國外行銷的部分，包括行銷的展覽或佈展的部分，甚至跟國外的通路商連結的媒合，這個部分我們都會去加強。然後不只是美國市場，還有其他的主要目標市場，我們都會來處理。"],["蔡委員易餘：我們有可能在國內舉辦類似日本東京食品展這樣的策展活動嗎？"],["陳部長駿季：我們也在規劃，那個是在國內的部分。"],["蔡委員易餘：臺灣有沒有能量辦這樣的策展，邀請國際的業者、國際的人來採購，來看臺灣的農水產品？過去都是我們到東京去，因為我們想賣到東京嘛！"],["陳部長駿季：對，我們現在每一年，像國際的食品展有在臺灣辦，類似的展覽我們也在評估，看有沒有機會跟那個展覽結合，用這樣的方式來處理。"],["蔡委員易餘：有沒有辦法爭取到類似的國際策展在臺灣舉辦，然後讓臺灣的農水產品可以大量的在策展裡面被大家看見？"],["陳部長駿季：是，非常謝謝委員的建議，針對這個部分我們會用專案的方式來評估，看有沒有機會去爭取國際的大展在我們臺灣舉辦，用這樣的方式。"],["蔡委員易餘：好，我覺得這個部分真的是要……"],["陳部長駿季：對，這是很好的想法，我們會努力來找。"],["蔡委員易餘：部長，這部分再加油。"],["陳部長駿季：好。"],["蔡委員易餘：再進入一個產業的議題，現在養羊的協會，雖然臺灣養羊的並不是太多，不過這個也是基於糧食安全，事實上這樣的畜牧產業還是有它存續的需求，他們現在面對的就是價格的因素，過去的拍賣價格是260元，現在都降到了179元，所以價格降很多，已經遠低於他們的成本價230元左右，面對這樣的產業困境，農業部有沒有怎樣的因應作為？"],["陳部長駿季：羊肉的部分其實也超乎我們預期，一般羊肉通常在冬天吃的人會比較多。"],["蔡委員易餘：比較有銷路。"],["陳部長駿季：比較有銷路。"],["蔡委員易餘：因為羊肉比較適合冬天吃。"],["陳部長駿季：可是相對的，從1月到3月，在溫度比較低的時候，它的價格還是不斷地在下降，表示我們的消費者對吃羊肉這件事情好像越來越不熱衷，所以怎麼樣讓消費者重拾吃羊肉的產品，包括產品的開發，包括行銷與宣導，我已經要求我們的畜牧司不能只注重牛肉，還要針對這些小眾的產業去加強宣導，提供一個讓國人知道的行銷作為。"],["蔡委員易餘：養羊協會是有具體地說，農業部能不能在他們比較寒冬的時候、比較辛苦的時候，對他們做一些屠宰費用的補助？農業部是不是可以斟酌一下？"],["陳部長駿季：這個我們會來評估，但是更重要就是我們在接近寒冬的時候，甚至於不一定在寒冬，就是要多一點國內的行銷與宣導，讓消費者來食用，這個部分我們會先來做，然後到時候的屠宰如果需要農業部來……"],["蔡委員易餘：部長，我也有吃過國產羊肉，說實在的，國產羊肉的羊騷味比較沒那麼重，我是覺得很好吃，所以這個部分請農業部再幫他們宣導一下。"],["陳部長駿季：對，料理包的部分我們會支持啦！然後最後屠宰的部分來協助，我們到時候再看它整個行銷的情況怎麼樣。"],["蔡委員易餘：沒關係，我覺得臺灣我們每一種蛋白質都很重要，那不同的產業，雖然有的是比較小眾，但是他們遇到困難的時候，農業部還是要予以協助。"],["陳部長駿季：會，我們會關注這個產業，謝謝。"],["蔡委員易餘：好，進入今天的議題，我最後講一下，流浪狗的問題在鄉下，尤其是海邊，事實上是很嚴重的。在養殖業越發達的地方，流浪狗的問題就越嚴重，因為現在的流浪狗都是成群結隊，而且牠們很厲害，在沒辦法覓食的時候，牠也有辦法跳進魚塭去抓魚，自己抓魚來吃，真的是很厲害，流浪狗已經都變成獵犬，牠們可以直接自己抓魚，所以我覺得要處理流浪狗的問題，狀況很複雜。","部長，我剛剛有聽到你回復了很多委員的質詢，我覺得有幾個面向我們可能可以優先處理啦！第一個就是餵食，有很多愛心比較豐富的人會去餵食流浪狗，他去餵食流浪狗這件事情就會讓這些流浪狗滋生。"],["陳部長駿季：繼續在那邊。"],["蔡委員易餘：會繼續，然後在這邊會變成一個族群，所以我覺得餵食這件事情應該要適度地予以限制，不要讓他們再餵食了。如果沒有辦法把法令訂到限制他們餵食流浪狗的話，至少在他有餵食行為的時候，是不是就要認定、推定他是飼主？"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["蔡委員易餘：如果發生流浪狗追人、流浪狗追車，一些長者騎腳踏車被流浪狗追到跌倒受傷，那麼對於這些餵食的人，如果有證據證明他有餵食這隻流浪狗的話，是不是就要推定他為飼主，他也應該負擔跟飼主一樣的責任，即動保法第三條第一項第七款的飼主責任，有沒有辦法這樣？"],["陳部長駿季：謝謝委員，事實上目前有一些案例也用這樣的方式判定，但是要避免流浪犬群聚，其實飼主餵養的事件如果能夠適度停止的時候，會有比較好的結果。現階段我們在自然保護區的部分已經強制性地禁止餵養了，但是在社區的部分你要用強制的話，可能會遭到很大的反彈，所以我們會再更努力地讓餵養的特定人士知道，如果被你養的這隻狗造成一些人犬衝突的時候……"],["蔡委員易餘：發生攻擊的事件，他必須要負擔飼主責任。"],["陳部長駿季：他就是要負飼主責任，這樣的話，可能就會讓他們有點擔心啦！所以宣導就變得非常重要，我想後續特別是在鄉下地區……"],["蔡委員易餘：好，所以部長說得很清楚嘛！現在他有餵食，如果這部分被人家拍照起來，證明這一隻雖然是流浪狗……"],["陳部長駿季：對，他就是飼主。"],["蔡委員易餘：但是他就固定在餵食牠嘛！只要有證據的話，他就要負擔飼主責任。"],["陳部長駿季：對。"],["蔡委員易餘：至少部長在這一點你是支持，而且你會貫徹這樣做，沒有錯吧？"],["陳部長駿季：對，而且我們應該更加強宣導讓他們知道，這樣的話，可能會減少這些飼養的行為。"],["蔡委員易餘：好，那就從宣導面先加強。"],["陳部長駿季：好。"],["蔡委員易餘：流浪狗的問題我覺得還有很多，實在是時間不夠了，以後有機會再跟部長討論，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：好，謝謝委員。"],["蔡委員易餘：謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝。","現在請李坤城委員做詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":242,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-11","speakers":["謝衣鳯","洪孟楷","蘇巧慧","郭昱晴","羅廷瑋","李坤城","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","林岱樺","鄭天財Sra 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