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00:02:47,331\n那部長還有董事長我想我們最近有一個新的這個交通的議題就是西班牙跟葡萄牙在4月28號中午過後陷入大規模的一個停電那原因就是因為西班牙因為極端氣候造成一個高壓陷入的異常震動造成這個交通大亂許多的乘客受困在這個大眾運輸的工具裡面\n\n8\n00:02:49,091 --> 00:03:08,428\n那我想針對台鐵跟高鐵在我們是不是面臨這樣一個狀況之後有沒有什麼一個備援的一個機制甚至因應的作為能夠提出一個說明是這個部分我們是不是請台鐵好不好吳董事長跟委員報告齁剛提到的這個葡萄牙跟西班牙大端電的部分我想我們台鐵齁\n\n9\n00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:26,689\n也會所謂的我們的不斷電系統那這個我們有備用的發電機大概目前可以有四個小時的時間可以來用那當然如果說還繼續在停電的時候有需要我們剛剛講再加油再注油一樣可以再繼續再持續\n\n10\n00:03:27,689 --> 00:03:40,038\n這個我想沒有問題但在路線上我們大概也有幾個逃生的一個地方我們現在是沿線都把它標示出來哪個地方有逃生的部分可以路線都要怎麼連通這個部分都有做\n\n11\n00:03:41,357 --> 00:04:03,460\n對啊那這個有沒有需要列入我們比如說一個擴大一個演習的一個項目因為有可能我們高層知道但是我們基層的員工同仁不清楚啊我們現在大概每一年大概都會辦理所謂的體驗的演習體驗演習我想我們未來把這個納入是我們的情境來做一下演習讓整個基層同仁了解這個時候發生的時候應該怎麼辦\n\n12\n00:04:05,735 --> 00:04:16,440\n這個我想我們也要把它列為一個很重要的一個應變的一個機制因為這個隨著現在這個極端氣候隨時那種發現什麼狀況我們都不知道所以我們應該隨時要做好營運準備好那我想針對這個台鐵落軌的事件頻傳包含我們在屏東也有長輩在鳳山車站\n\n13\n00:04:27,045 --> 00:04:46,751\n也破壞了也骨折了所以我想這個安全性也必須真的要重新來檢視那我知道台鐵目前在高雄車站有準備偵測的一個纜繩式的一個月台示範就我們現在應該是在圖面的一個左手邊這個規劃嘛是保齡院你看這個有沒有美觀\n\n14\n00:04:48,204 --> 00:05:02,323\n報告委員美觀的問題當然他沒有辦法做到像高鐵那麼美觀因為他的車型太多他的這個門開的地方也都不一樣那高鐵是同一個車型開門的地方是固定的所以做法一定是不一樣的\n\n15\n00:05:03,086 --> 00:05:28,536\n但是因為我們現在也有很多鄉親在質疑我們花了這個將近一億五千萬規劃的一個部分那到底可以做多少的月台門那這個所謂的效益怎麼去做評估報告委員第一座它一定會比較貴因為我們現在是試辦所以很多的我們必須測試的這些機具都有裝設上去但是而且它沒有量產所以價格會比較高\n\n16\n00:05:29,296 --> 00:05:46,303\n但是如果你要複製到其他地方去做的時候我們有一些測試的機具就測試完之後確定要就留下來不需要的我們就會把它取消掉所以我們價格會降低而且我們的機房有一個機房不是只有給一個月台的一側目前是\n\n17\n00:05:46,923 --> 00:06:09,156\n一個機房只給一側嘛那未來可能一個機房是可以給好幾個月台那個整體的成本都會下降那這一組因為是在測試的過程所以價格會比較高那未來我們當然價格會降低就會思考說有沒有要裝設更多的車站那目前有在評估啦比較擁擠的月台或者是有安全疑慮的月台我們會優先來考量\n\n18\n00:06:10,751 --> 00:06:32,645\n我想部長也常常坐火車到我們相關的一些縣市去看我提供右手邊,這是我們德國車站我想我們在很多,包含屏東也有很多地方我們一個平面車站的美觀景觀是很漂亮你這樣做這個行,我們今天真的有點破壞這個美感這個可能要再評估一下\n\n19\n00:06:33,706 --> 00:06:43,500\n那另外請教一下我們高鐵政董事長,上次這個高鐵過賺不停的部分,我剛剛有看了一下新聞,是不是已經有做了一個懲處的一個部分?是的,我們有懲處了怎麼懲處?\n\n20\n00:06:45,919 --> 00:07:00,891\n我們基本上現在目前應該是駕駛會激大過然後相關的主管也會有一些連帶的責任這樣那除了行政處分之外那我們針對這樣的一個整個運作機制的檢討有沒有什麼樣的一個提出什麼樣的一個說明\n\n21\n00:07:04,193 --> 00:07:23,300\n是的對駕駛除了這個剛才講的這個我們還會給他ground下來三個月那其中兩個月就專對這個SOP這個技術上的這個專業再做一個完整的訓練然後通過了以後再加上一個月我們會給他做這個行醫中心這邊來做這種心理測驗跟檢討這樣那另外\n\n22\n00:07:28,442 --> 00:07:35,756\n現在高鐵的運量實在是非常的大所以我想每一個站都是一樣我們都要用最嚴謹的一個安全的態度來處理\n\n23\n00:07:36,761 --> 00:08:05,279\n是的那另外跟委員報告就是說為了預防這樣一個人為的疏失再次發生我們也做了兩個處置就是說在行控中心跟這個駕駛的這個對話裡面我們會加一句就是說行控中心告訴這個駕駛雖然是在板橋這邊是速度設限是70但是你還是要依這個表定的時間來停車加是這一句話\n\n24\n00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:35,620\n那另外就是說我們在整個規範裡面對於像行控中心我們會要求說第一個如果列車長發現這個駕駛又是有應該要停然後停下來又要跨車馬上又要用PEI然後要求他趕快停車同時也告訴我們行控中心說這個應該要告訴駕駛那行控中心接觸了以後要求他就取消他的設定\n\n25\n00:08:36,880 --> 00:09:02,467\n那大概說這樣的一個防範我們可以把這樣的一個人為的疏忽那把它消滅掉確保不要再發生那我再請教另外一個問題我們現在所有的高鐵回到站裡之後是不是要做一個所謂的UT檢測的這個部分UT會UT檢測的部分UT檢測就是那個對你說的炭傷\n\n26\n00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:19,476\n就是説軌道我們是定期的就是説這個軌道平常我們有檢測它們但是那個U2的碳傷就是在這個結構上看它裡面有沒有產生一些鋼軌有沒有所產生的變化是的有做這樣的一個碳傷的檢測這個有落實嗎有的這個都是確實在做\n\n27\n00:09:26,803 --> 00:09:40,726\n這個我請董事長回去要好好了解一下因為我們這邊有接到關於這個部分確實有一些狀況存在那我想請董事長回去了解一下好不好那我會找時間再跟董事長討論一下畢竟這個攸關到每天這麼多通行組的一個安全不能夠因為有這個設了這個東西UT檢測但是\n\n28\n00:09:50,134 --> 00:10:14,988\n有偽造的一個資料的一個呈現這是大問題啦那這不允許的是喔所以這部分當總經理了解一下我會再找你一下好謝謝徐委員指導好那最後我想針對這個台鐵事故將近每年一千件喔柏林是這也一樣啦現在台鐵通行的人數也非常的多喔怎麼樣降低這個事故我想這未來也是需要台鐵總公司大家一起努力啦是是\n\n29\n00:10:15,148 --> 00:10:19,119\n那是不是可以在一個月之內提出一個書面報告降低事故的這個報告好這個沒有問題好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3642\t6565\t謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長台鐵五代理董事長 高鐵鄭董事長鄭董事長 高鐵鄭董事長\n29736\t52503\t兩位同仁早部長我想今天討論航空跟鐵路的安全但是我先就一個觀光的問題先請教陸委會公布去年到現在有82個國人負重失聯我們有找過相關的情資嗎?報告委員陸委會的資料也都有給我們所以這82位我們也都了解\n54212\t82934\t那我因為目前我們登錄的一個系統裡面附中登錄的比例不到5%那我們交通部怎麼樣掌握這樣一個登錄的一個狀況報告委員我們還是呼籲國人如果要去中國旅遊或者是經商最好都先來登錄這個陸委會的這個網站上面的登錄原因是這樣子如果有先登錄出了事政府才會知道才知道說該怎麼協助包含協助家屬或協助當事人\n83595\t101545\t那這個部分目前陸委會也有召集旅遊相關的業者拜託旅遊相關的業者不管是針對團客或者是自由行的旅客都能夠去協助來做宣導讓民眾願意來登錄因為這個登錄的這個機制最近開始在宣導我們希望一段時間就可以看出成效\n102828\t130551\t部長其實我有很多朋友他們跟我提到說要去大陸旅遊我都覺得說要注意啦有時候被莫須有的罪名跟你扣住你就回不來了啦當然我站在我們這個交通部的立場為了怎麼樣針對國人跟旅行團一個強制的一個登陸的一個做政策我相信應該要搭配陸委會我們應該有一些的因應對策啦是沒錯柏林這個贊成嗎這個我們跟陸委會都會密切來配合這關係到國人的旅遊安全嗎\n130811\t142868\t是 那我們也是希望我們的相關的一些外交管道應該趕快去透過海基會協調趕快讓這個受困的國人能夠趕快回台灣啦是所以我們也要確保他們的人身安全是\n143885\t167331\t那部長還有董事長我想我們最近有一個新的這個交通的議題就是西班牙跟葡萄牙在4月28號中午過後陷入大規模的一個停電那原因就是因為西班牙因為極端氣候造成一個高壓陷入的異常震動造成這個交通大亂許多的乘客受困在這個大眾運輸的工具裡面\n169091\t188428\t那我想針對台鐵跟高鐵在我們是不是面臨這樣一個狀況之後有沒有什麼一個備援的一個機制甚至因應的作為能夠提出一個說明是 這個部分我們是不是請台鐵好不好吳董事長跟委員報告齁剛提到的這個葡萄牙跟西班牙大端電的部分我想我們台鐵齁\n190919\t206689\t也會所謂的我們的不斷電系統那這個我們有備用的發電機大概目前可以有四個小時的時間可以來用那當然如果說還繼續在停電的時候有需要我們剛剛講再加油再注油一樣可以再繼續再持續\n207689\t220038\t這個我想沒有問題但在路線上我們大概也有幾個逃生的一個地方我們現在是沿線都把它標示出來哪個地方有逃生的部分可以路線都要怎麼連通這個部分都有做\n221357\t243460\t對啊那這個有沒有需要列入我們比如說一個擴大一個演習的一個項目因為有可能我們高層知道但是我們基層的員工同仁不清楚啊我們現在大概每一年大概都會辦理所謂的體驗的演習體驗演習我想我們未來把這個納入是我們的情境來做一下演習讓整個基層同仁了解這個時候發生的時候應該怎麼辦\n245735\t256440\t這個我想我們也要把它列為一個很重要的一個應變的一個機制因為這個隨著現在這個極端氣候隨時那種發現什麼狀況我們都不知道所以我們應該隨時要做好營運準備好那我想針對這個台鐵落軌的事件頻傳包含我們在屏東也有長輩在鳳山車站\n267045\t286751\t也破壞了 也骨折了所以我想這個安全性也必須真的要重新來檢視那我知道台鐵目前在高雄車站有準備偵測的一個纜繩式的一個月台示範就我們現在應該是在圖面的一個左手邊這個規劃嘛是保齡院你看這個有沒有美觀\n288204\t302323\t報告委員美觀的問題當然他沒有辦法做到像高鐵那麼美觀因為他的車型太多他的這個門開的地方也都不一樣那高鐵是同一個車型開門的地方是固定的所以做法一定是不一樣的\n303086\t328536\t但是因為我們現在也有很多鄉親在質疑我們花了這個將近一億五千萬規劃的一個部分那到底可以做多少的月台門那這個所謂的效益怎麼去做評估報告委員第一座它一定會比較貴因為我們現在是試辦所以很多的我們必須測試的這些機具都有裝設上去但是而且它沒有量產所以價格會比較高\n329296\t346303\t但是如果你要複製到其他地方去做的時候我們有一些測試的機具就測試完之後確定要就留下來不需要的我們就會把它取消掉所以我們價格會降低而且我們的機房有一個機房不是只有給一個月台的一側目前是\n346923\t369156\t一個機房只給一側嘛那未來可能一個機房是可以給好幾個月台那個整體的成本都會下降那這一組因為是在測試的過程所以價格會比較高那未來我們當然價格會降低就會思考說有沒有要裝設更多的車站那目前有在評估啦比較擁擠的月台或者是有安全疑慮的月台我們會優先來考量\n370751\t392645\t我想部長也常常坐火車到我們相關的一些縣市去看我提供右手邊,這是我們德國車站我想我們在很多,包含屏東也有很多地方我們一個平面車站的美觀景觀是很漂亮你這樣做這個行,我們今天真的有點破壞這個美感這個可能要再評估一下\n393706\t403500\t那另外請教一下我們高鐵政董事長,上次這個高鐵過賺不停的部分,我剛剛有看了一下新聞,是不是已經有做了一個懲處的一個部分?是的,我們有懲處了怎麼懲處?\n405919\t420891\t我們基本上現在目前應該是駕駛會激大過然後相關的主管也會有一些連帶的責任這樣那除了行政處分之外那我們針對這樣的一個整個運作機制的檢討有沒有什麼樣的一個提出什麼樣的一個說明\n424193\t443300\t是的 對駕駛除了這個剛才講的這個我們還會給他ground下來三個月那其中兩個月就專對這個SOP這個技術上的這個專業再做一個完整的訓練然後通過了以後再加上一個月我們會給他做這個行醫中心這邊來做這種心理測驗跟檢討這樣那另外\n448442\t455756\t現在高鐵的運量實在是非常的大所以我想每一個站都是一樣我們都要用最嚴謹的一個安全的態度來處理\n456761\t485279\t是的 那另外跟委員報告就是說為了預防這樣一個人為的疏失再次發生我們也做了兩個處置 就是說在行控中心跟這個駕駛的這個對話裡面我們會加一句就是說行控中心告訴這個駕駛雖然是在板橋這邊是速度設限是70但是你還是要依這個表定的時間來停車加是這一句話\n486500\t515620\t那另外就是說我們在整個規範裡面對於像行控中心我們會要求說第一個如果列車長發現這個駕駛又是有應該要停然後停下來又要跨車馬上又要用PEI然後要求他趕快停車同時也告訴我們行控中心說這個應該要告訴駕駛那行控中心接觸了以後要求他就取消他的設定\n516880\t542467\t那大概說這樣的一個防範我們可以把這樣的一個人為的疏忽那把它消滅掉確保不要再發生那我再請教另外一個問題我們現在所有的高鐵回到站裡之後是不是要做一個所謂的UT檢測的這個部分UT會UT檢測的部分UT檢測就是那個對 你說的炭傷\n544820\t559476\t就是説軌道我們是定期的就是説這個軌道平常我們有檢測它們但是那個U2的碳傷就是在這個結構上看它裡面有沒有產生一些鋼軌有沒有所產生的變化是的 有做這樣的一個碳傷的檢測這個有落實嗎有的 這個都是確實在做\n566803\t580726\t這個我請董事長回去要好好了解一下因為我們這邊有接到關於這個部分確實有一些狀況存在那我想請董事長回去了解一下好不好那我會找時間再跟董事長討論一下畢竟這個攸關到每天這麼多通行組的一個安全不能夠因為有這個設了這個東西UT檢測但是\n590134\t614988\t有偽造的一個資料的一個呈現這是大問題啦那這不允許的是喔所以這部分當總經理了解一下我會再找你一下好謝謝徐委員指導好那最後我想針對這個台鐵事故將近每年一千件喔柏林是這也一樣啦現在台鐵通行的人數也非常的多喔怎麼樣降低這個事故我想這未來也是需要台鐵總公司大家一起努力啦是是\n615148\t619119\t那是不是可以在一個月之內提出一個書面報告降低事故的這個報告好 這個沒有問題好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長台鐵五代理董事長 高鐵鄭董事長鄭董事長 高鐵鄭董事長\n兩位同仁早部長我想今天討論航空跟鐵路的安全但是我先就一個觀光的問題先請教陸委會公布去年到現在有82個國人負重失聯我們有找過相關的情資嗎?報告委員陸委會的資料也都有給我們所以這82位我們也都了解\n那我因為目前我們登錄的一個系統裡面附中登錄的比例不到5%那我們交通部怎麼樣掌握這樣一個登錄的一個狀況報告委員我們還是呼籲國人如果要去中國旅遊或者是經商最好都先來登錄這個陸委會的這個網站上面的登錄原因是這樣子如果有先登錄出了事政府才會知道才知道說該怎麼協助包含協助家屬或協助當事人\n那這個部分目前陸委會也有召集旅遊相關的業者拜託旅遊相關的業者不管是針對團客或者是自由行的旅客都能夠去協助來做宣導讓民眾願意來登錄因為這個登錄的這個機制最近開始在宣導我們希望一段時間就可以看出成效\n部長其實我有很多朋友他們跟我提到說要去大陸旅遊我都覺得說要注意啦有時候被莫須有的罪名跟你扣住你就回不來了啦當然我站在我們這個交通部的立場為了怎麼樣針對國人跟旅行團一個強制的一個登陸的一個做政策我相信應該要搭配陸委會我們應該有一些的因應對策啦是沒錯柏林這個贊成嗎這個我們跟陸委會都會密切來配合這關係到國人的旅遊安全嗎\n是 那我們也是希望我們的相關的一些外交管道應該趕快去透過海基會協調趕快讓這個受困的國人能夠趕快回台灣啦是所以我們也要確保他們的人身安全是\n那部長還有董事長我想我們最近有一個新的這個交通的議題就是西班牙跟葡萄牙在4月28號中午過後陷入大規模的一個停電那原因就是因為西班牙因為極端氣候造成一個高壓陷入的異常震動造成這個交通大亂許多的乘客受困在這個大眾運輸的工具裡面\n那我想針對台鐵跟高鐵在我們是不是面臨這樣一個狀況之後有沒有什麼一個備援的一個機制甚至因應的作為能夠提出一個說明是 這個部分我們是不是請台鐵好不好吳董事長跟委員報告齁剛提到的這個葡萄牙跟西班牙大端電的部分我想我們台鐵齁\n也會所謂的我們的不斷電系統那這個我們有備用的發電機大概目前可以有四個小時的時間可以來用那當然如果說還繼續在停電的時候有需要我們剛剛講再加油再注油一樣可以再繼續再持續\n這個我想沒有問題但在路線上我們大概也有幾個逃生的一個地方我們現在是沿線都把它標示出來哪個地方有逃生的部分可以路線都要怎麼連通這個部分都有做\n對啊那這個有沒有需要列入我們比如說一個擴大一個演習的一個項目因為有可能我們高層知道但是我們基層的員工同仁不清楚啊我們現在大概每一年大概都會辦理所謂的體驗的演習體驗演習我想我們未來把這個納入是我們的情境來做一下演習讓整個基層同仁了解這個時候發生的時候應該怎麼辦\n這個我想我們也要把它列為一個很重要的一個應變的一個機制因為這個隨著現在這個極端氣候隨時那種發現什麼狀況我們都不知道所以我們應該隨時要做好營運準備好那我想針對這個台鐵落軌的事件頻傳包含我們在屏東也有長輩在鳳山車站\n也破壞了 也骨折了所以我想這個安全性也必須真的要重新來檢視那我知道台鐵目前在高雄車站有準備偵測的一個纜繩式的一個月台示範就我們現在應該是在圖面的一個左手邊這個規劃嘛是保齡院你看這個有沒有美觀\n報告委員美觀的問題當然他沒有辦法做到像高鐵那麼美觀因為他的車型太多他的這個門開的地方也都不一樣那高鐵是同一個車型開門的地方是固定的所以做法一定是不一樣的\n但是因為我們現在也有很多鄉親在質疑我們花了這個將近一億五千萬規劃的一個部分那到底可以做多少的月台門那這個所謂的效益怎麼去做評估報告委員第一座它一定會比較貴因為我們現在是試辦所以很多的我們必須測試的這些機具都有裝設上去但是而且它沒有量產所以價格會比較高\n但是如果你要複製到其他地方去做的時候我們有一些測試的機具就測試完之後確定要就留下來不需要的我們就會把它取消掉所以我們價格會降低而且我們的機房有一個機房不是只有給一個月台的一側目前是\n一個機房只給一側嘛那未來可能一個機房是可以給好幾個月台那個整體的成本都會下降那這一組因為是在測試的過程所以價格會比較高那未來我們當然價格會降低就會思考說有沒有要裝設更多的車站那目前有在評估啦比較擁擠的月台或者是有安全疑慮的月台我們會優先來考量\n我想部長也常常坐火車到我們相關的一些縣市去看我提供右手邊,這是我們德國車站我想我們在很多,包含屏東也有很多地方我們一個平面車站的美觀景觀是很漂亮你這樣做這個行,我們今天真的有點破壞這個美感這個可能要再評估一下\n那另外請教一下我們高鐵政董事長,上次這個高鐵過賺不停的部分,我剛剛有看了一下新聞,是不是已經有做了一個懲處的一個部分?是的,我們有懲處了怎麼懲處?\n我們基本上現在目前應該是駕駛會激大過然後相關的主管也會有一些連帶的責任這樣那除了行政處分之外那我們針對這樣的一個整個運作機制的檢討有沒有什麼樣的一個提出什麼樣的一個說明\n是的 對駕駛除了這個剛才講的這個我們還會給他ground下來三個月那其中兩個月就專對這個SOP這個技術上的這個專業再做一個完整的訓練然後通過了以後再加上一個月我們會給他做這個行醫中心這邊來做這種心理測驗跟檢討這樣那另外\n現在高鐵的運量實在是非常的大所以我想每一個站都是一樣我們都要用最嚴謹的一個安全的態度來處理\n是的 那另外跟委員報告就是說為了預防這樣一個人為的疏失再次發生我們也做了兩個處置 就是說在行控中心跟這個駕駛的這個對話裡面我們會加一句就是說行控中心告訴這個駕駛雖然是在板橋這邊是速度設限是70但是你還是要依這個表定的時間來停車加是這一句話\n那另外就是說我們在整個規範裡面對於像行控中心我們會要求說第一個如果列車長發現這個駕駛又是有應該要停然後停下來又要跨車馬上又要用PEI然後要求他趕快停車同時也告訴我們行控中心說這個應該要告訴駕駛那行控中心接觸了以後要求他就取消他的設定\n那大概說這樣的一個防範我們可以把這樣的一個人為的疏忽那把它消滅掉確保不要再發生那我再請教另外一個問題我們現在所有的高鐵回到站裡之後是不是要做一個所謂的UT檢測的這個部分UT會UT檢測的部分UT檢測就是那個對 你說的炭傷\n就是説軌道我們是定期的就是説這個軌道平常我們有檢測它們但是那個U2的碳傷就是在這個結構上看它裡面有沒有產生一些鋼軌有沒有所產生的變化是的 有做這樣的一個碳傷的檢測這個有落實嗎有的 這個都是確實在做\n這個我請董事長回去要好好了解一下因為我們這邊有接到關於這個部分確實有一些狀況存在那我想請董事長回去了解一下好不好那我會找時間再跟董事長討論一下畢竟這個攸關到每天這麼多通行組的一個安全不能夠因為有這個設了這個東西UT檢測但是\n有偽造的一個資料的一個呈現這是大問題啦那這不允許的是喔所以這部分當總經理了解一下我會再找你一下好謝謝徐委員指導好那最後我想針對這個台鐵事故將近每年一千件喔柏林是這也一樣啦現在台鐵通行的人數也非常的多喔怎麼樣降低這個事故我想這未來也是需要台鐵總公司大家一起努力啦是是\n那是不是可以在一個月之內提出一個書面報告降低事故的這個報告好 這個沒有問題好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.642 --> 00:06.565\n謝謝主席我們有請陳部長台鐵五代理董事長高鐵鄭董事長鄭董事長高鐵鄭董事長\n\n00:29.736 --> 00:52.503\n兩位同仁早部長我想今天討論航空跟鐵路的安全但是我先就一個觀光的問題先請教陸委會公布去年到現在有82個國人負重失聯我們有找過相關的情資嗎?報告委員陸委會的資料也都有給我們所以這82位我們也都了解\n\n00:54.212 --> 01:22.934\n那我因為目前我們登錄的一個系統裡面附中登錄的比例不到5%那我們交通部怎麼樣掌握這樣一個登錄的一個狀況報告委員我們還是呼籲國人如果要去中國旅遊或者是經商最好都先來登錄這個陸委會的這個網站上面的登錄原因是這樣子如果有先登錄出了事政府才會知道才知道說該怎麼協助包含協助家屬或協助當事人\n\n01:23.595 --> 01:41.545\n那這個部分目前陸委會也有召集旅遊相關的業者拜託旅遊相關的業者不管是針對團客或者是自由行的旅客都能夠去協助來做宣導讓民眾願意來登錄因為這個登錄的這個機制最近開始在宣導我們希望一段時間就可以看出成效\n\n01:42.828 --> 02:10.551\n部長其實我有很多朋友他們跟我提到說要去大陸旅遊我都覺得說要注意啦有時候被莫須有的罪名跟你扣住你就回不來了啦當然我站在我們這個交通部的立場為了怎麼樣針對國人跟旅行團一個強制的一個登陸的一個做政策我相信應該要搭配陸委會我們應該有一些的因應對策啦是沒錯柏林這個贊成嗎這個我們跟陸委會都會密切來配合這關係到國人的旅遊安全嗎\n\n02:10.811 --> 02:22.868\n是那我們也是希望我們的相關的一些外交管道應該趕快去透過海基會協調趕快讓這個受困的國人能夠趕快回台灣啦是所以我們也要確保他們的人身安全是\n\n02:23.885 --> 02:47.331\n那部長還有董事長我想我們最近有一個新的這個交通的議題就是西班牙跟葡萄牙在4月28號中午過後陷入大規模的一個停電那原因就是因為西班牙因為極端氣候造成一個高壓陷入的異常震動造成這個交通大亂許多的乘客受困在這個大眾運輸的工具裡面\n\n02:49.091 --> 03:08.428\n那我想針對台鐵跟高鐵在我們是不是面臨這樣一個狀況之後有沒有什麼一個備援的一個機制甚至因應的作為能夠提出一個說明是這個部分我們是不是請台鐵好不好吳董事長跟委員報告齁剛提到的這個葡萄牙跟西班牙大端電的部分我想我們台鐵齁\n\n03:10.919 --> 03:26.689\n也會所謂的我們的不斷電系統那這個我們有備用的發電機大概目前可以有四個小時的時間可以來用那當然如果說還繼續在停電的時候有需要我們剛剛講再加油再注油一樣可以再繼續再持續\n\n03:27.689 --> 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