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00:00:09,635\n好謝謝主席我請農業部部長陳部長\n\n2\n00:00:17,671 --> 00:00:24,556\n部長好去年的6月我在針對院長的總諮詢當中當時你也在現場有提出關於寵物食品管理法這個專法訂定的關切那因為其實台灣需要一部寵物食品管理專法這個從20年前就開始討論了所以這是全國的4組以及300隻的犬貓隻大家共同的期待\n\n3\n00:00:42,907 --> 00:01:08,849\n那我知道去年你們也開始啟動然後也邀請各界專家民間團體等等來進行研議剛剛我聽到部長說是預計下個會期要送到立法院嗎對我跟委員報告這個寵物食品專法本身包括委員多次的質詢我們也多次的討論然後在5月底我們一定在內部完成我們的法制作業會送到行政院去\n\n4\n00:01:09,769 --> 00:01:35,840\n那行政院會經過法條的審議我們目標是下個會期送到立法院來好那原先我們其實是期待你們這個會期可以送進來但是我知道因為它需要跟很多各界大家要審慎的來把它完備討論要去修正沒有錯這我們也認同那除了這次本次的修法等於是我們首度把這一個業者的責任如果製造販賣不合格的稠物食品\n\n5\n00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:45,129\n然後危害到安全的話首度納入刑罰嘛除了刑罰以外其實更加重要的是未來我們要如何來輔導跟執行所以我想現在法下個會期送進來那你們針對未來這個寵物食品專法上路之後例如說我們現在要求業者要自行檢驗嘛\n\n6\n00:01:54,978 --> 00:02:16,459\n未來這個像實驗室的量能是否充足未來的稽查的工作中央地方的分工這相關的這些輔導有沒有已經開始來跟業者以及跟地方政府來進行討論溝通我想我們已經在法權來說現在還沒送到立法院來還沒有完成公告但是相關的配套措施包括您剛才講的\n\n7\n00:02:18,570 --> 00:02:44,298\n產品寵物食品的安全非常重要所以雖然說自主檢驗他可以委託的時候有沒有所以SGS的相關的標準實驗室相關的實驗室那因為我們農業部目前我們針對包括農藥包括其他的有害物質的檢查的相關的點位非常多所以我們為了媒合就是讓寵物業者這些食品業者能夠知道相關的這些檢查站在哪邊然後怎麼樣的收費這個我們開始就在討論了\n\n8\n00:02:46,078 --> 00:02:54,568\n好所以我們希望啦這個法新法要訂定但是在中央跟地方政府之間我們要有充分的來協作那因為這個專法下會期才會進來但是我很關切的就是剛講的儲物食品的安全所以在這次\n\n9\n00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:03,137\n我們今天是這個凍飽法的修法的詢答嘛我也提出了第22條之4的修法就是明確的把我們現在具體可行的就是包括如果說在這個寵物食品當中它有這個樣態是包括了摻味或假冒\n\n10\n00:03:19,255 --> 00:03:29,260\n變質或腐敗有這樣的情況我們就可以符合來進行下架這個我看到你們今天的報告裡面也有提到過去在實務上確實有就是已經有查到就是有不明的異物摻雜在寵物飼料裡面但是卻沒有辦法下架這個是什麼樣的問題呢\n\n11\n00:03:41,066 --> 00:04:07,158\n我們過去在食物上遇到的狀況是報告委員我們查獲的目前法律的動保法的授權沒有包括義務所以我們沒辦法依據那個法規的要求要他下架甚至是做一個行政的一個處分所以我們這次的修法特別把這個部分也一併納進來包括便紙跟含義務的部分食物上會遇到的義務比較多樣態會是像哪些類型大概罐頭裡面的塑膠片\n\n12\n00:04:07,958 --> 00:04:22,530\n然後或者是製程裡面殘留的一些就是我們很明顯的一些比如說塑膠珠或是一些包裝的所以明確有查到的根據現行法規無法要求下架那像變質或腐敗我明確知道它已經發霉了\n\n13\n00:04:23,351 --> 00:04:38,513\n也沒有辦法要求它下降這是我們現在遇到的情況目前我們查獲的就是有發霉可是這個部分是發霉沒問題可是變質打開已經有異位了這個部分那我們檢測的標準也都符合可是這部分就是沒辦法採訪\n\n14\n00:04:39,454 --> 00:05:07,881\n那我們就是希望說我們現在我剛剛講這兩個樣態其實是比照食安法第15條啦兩個樣態先把它先行先修及我們現在動保法第22之4條這個部分是我今天的提案版本那我希望說動保法先行先修這一條但是我們還是需要一部完整的重複食品專法就等待你們下個會期送進來那有相關的因為過去我們在地方市議會有很多地方政府執行也會遇到的一些情況也會再跟你們進行討論\n\n15\n00:05:09,221 --> 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