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這樣看起來確實是有相關的進度那我們來看一下其實另外一個問題是人權衝突熱區目前我們當然有相關的訴求然後也有相關的法規範\n可是我們現在看到的困境是說有沒有辦法設立宣導期期滿的時候再強行執法或者是挑選比較嚴重的前幾區所謂的人權衝突熱區優先執行因為它有跟林保署有關然後也有跟動保司有關那我們認為應該是要動保司來主責這個業務我不知道部長你們人權衝突的部分基本上還是動保司在主責\n然後剛才也特別提到就是說特別是我們現在也請地方政府去提報一些可能的人權衝突的熱區那這個熱區列出來了以後第一個就是餵養的部分我們會去先導然後剛才也聞提到就是說今天餵養如果造成這些被餵養的狗造成一些人權傷害的時候那餵養的人他負有責任\n我們也希望都透過這樣的宣導讓餵養的頻度跟比例可以下降因為現在在這個時間點用強制禁止餵養可能在現階段還不大容易執行而且也不大符合我們一般人的生活樣態所以我剛剛的建議是說我們因為我現在看了一下你們去年有框出一個所謂的優先補助管制熱區然後有包含生態熱區總共有204個村裡\n那既然生態熱區我們有加強規範那人權熱區我們認為應該要加入可是我認為立刻執法的困境是有的如同部長您剛剛說的所以我在想那個宣導期我們可以怎麼去抓這個宣導期然後期滿再來執行或者是我們找出我們認為最嚴重的五個或十個先做如果是這個方向會不會讓你們在人力上或是相關的執法上不大有困難但真的有實體推進其實民眾也會有感\n我們也非常希望說如果有意願先走的縣市我們會跟縣市討論我們可以當作幾個縣市或幾個縣市裡面的村裡先執行那有相關好的成果再去推動的話會比較快一點這個後續我想我們會跟縣市政府來挑幾個來重要的來做\n好那我們就下一張那聽起來部長其實是有明白而且知道可以怎麼跟縣市政府溝通那我們就希望兩個月內有相關的規劃跟進度報告可以嗎好謝謝部長好我只剩一分鐘最後我想要談一談上個禮拜四月二十一在花蓮濁西所發生的黑熊射殺事件那當時林保署四月二十三號的新聞稿說黑熊雖然有列明所謂的瀕臨絕種野生動物可是數量很多說已經沒有瀕臨絕種之餘了說近年來數量已經變多了\n可是其實很多生態學者老師就說林保署你要沒有確切的族群數量你不能用所謂的募集率還有活動範圍就做出這樣的宣稱很多生態學者專家告訴大家應該要更謹慎來看這件事情但是我必須還是要肯定林保署在這幾年推動所謂\n黑熊通報生態給付這件事情的成果可是我還是要說在這一次所謂非熱區非自然保護的山區野生動物跟人類之間的接觸越來越頻繁要如何進行環境管理減少衝突和平相處這些事情我不知道農業部這邊後續會不會有更多的做法跟討論我們辦公室可以持續來追蹤\n可以我想先說明一下就是當初講到就是有一些說已經沒有瀕臨絕種的事其實他是回應很多人是擔心他絕種是不是說想要把他瀕臨絕種降級啦是不是降級的概念所以不會有降級的問題沒有降級的問題是擔心有人擔心說\n是不是還會瀕臨啊我們是用鼓勵的就是朝正面的角度去思考因為這樣租金的數量有增加好聽起來這樣我們就比較放心那至於後續我們還有哪些事情可以去處理這個我剛剛提出來這些問題那因為今天時間有限我們辦公室之後會再跟農業部積極討論但也非常開心聽到部長明確說出不會有所謂降級這個問題好謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.066 --> 00:15.635\n好謝謝主席那有請部長陳部長委員好好\n\n00:16.155 --> 00:34.952\n部長午安關於今天審動保法的部分其實我知道農業部在相關事情上真的已經做了非常非常多努力可是我想我們人力的不足量能的不足其實可能還是農業部最需要積極協助的地方我們來看一下關於這個動保這個我想這個遊蕩犬的事情野生動物跟人之間的衝突的案件我就不再多說\n\n00:35.712 --> 01:03.982\n那我知道目前全国超过14万只这件事情非常的困难那有很多老师也提醒我们相关的动物学家生态学家都认为目前热区的管理强度不够那我知道其实农业部真的有一直一直很努力那之前张阿玲委员跟洪山汉委员现在劳动部长他们在相关的事情上部长也已经给了积极的承诺但我知道目前还有一些事情还没有达成进度未明这个部分要不要让部长来说明一下\n\n01:04.582 --> 01:31.467\n我想有關於這邊所提到的有關於生態熱區的禁止餵養的部分我們現在已經在所謂的自然的保育區這個部分都已經在做了先會擦牌子先會擦牌子然後宣導以後就會開始禁止然後生態熱區的部分是在流浪犬的部分因為那時候因為太多的這些有愛心人士去飼養的時候會讓牠群聚所以我們在生態熱區我會先要求\n\n01:33.167 --> 01:56.625\n它不能餵養然後你那個TNR的部分的回制的部分我們也不會回到生態熱區來確保整個生態熱區的一個支柱的一個控制大概目前是這樣子好這樣看起來確實是有相關的進度那我們來看一下其實另外一個問題是人權衝突熱區目前我們當然有相關的訴求然後也有相關的法規範\n\n01:57.486 --> 02:22.063\n可是我們現在看到的困境是說有沒有辦法設立宣導期期滿的時候再強行執法或者是挑選比較嚴重的前幾區所謂的人權衝突熱區優先執行因為它有跟林保署有關然後也有跟動保司有關那我們認為應該是要動保司來主責這個業務我不知道部長你們人權衝突的部分基本上還是動保司在主責\n\n02:23.144 --> 02:47.152\n然後剛才也特別提到就是說特別是我們現在也請地方政府去提報一些可能的人權衝突的熱區那這個熱區列出來了以後第一個就是餵養的部分我們會去先導然後剛才也聞提到就是說今天餵養如果造成這些被餵養的狗造成一些人權傷害的時候那餵養的人他負有責任\n\n02:48.312 --> 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