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00:02:25,203\n猜猜看新加坡跟台灣台灣應該比較大吧新加坡比較大但是沒關係他供應什麼需求我們來看一下新加坡是三大煉油中心之一自己不產油喔但是呢他有金融業他有觀光業還有航運業世界三大煉油中心因為馬來西亞跟印尼有產油國他又是天海遭陸然後呢他是馬來西亞海峽航運的船子都同他經過對不對\n\n8\n00:02:26,423 --> 00:02:48,463\n那台灣呢那往下看台灣新加坡的船舶不多他只有船舶只有全世界運能的1.3%但是呢他是去路過的路過的船舶他別人要的他都幫他供應了相對的台灣自己用石化業創造出來的石化原料不僅自製造業用也給人家什麼出口對不對所以台灣跟新加坡都很會賺錢往下看\n\n9\n00:02:49,232 --> 00:02:57,357\n那請問一下新加坡和台灣的航運船隊分別在哪裡補給燃料新加坡不用講嘛就在自己家裡嘛那台灣呢下一頁台灣在哪裡\n\n10\n00:03:00,633 --> 00:03:25,475\n台灣也可以補給燃料台灣我跟你講你看一看台灣目前我們十二大航商當中我們佔了七十十一我們的總的運能佔全世界將近一成我們很大的船隊對不對人家說如果台海運輸中斷佔五分之一會影響中央經濟表示什麼有五分之一的航船要從台灣海峽經過對不對所以台灣的船是不是在台灣自己加油\n\n11\n00:03:31,502 --> 00:03:38,591\n現在為了低碳而產生的輕能產業除了發電工業製造還有運輸您覺得台灣哪一個部份的應用最迫切\n\n12\n00:03:42,852 --> 00:03:58,321\n發電嗎工業製造嗎低碳就是氫能產業氫能可以發電氫能可以供應那個工業製造的熱能氫能還可以供應運輸運輸有陸海空請問是高鐵還是捷運要用到氫能還是我們的飛機要用到氫能還是航運三個猜一個\n\n13\n00:03:59,922 --> 00:04:26,081\n最迫切的現在公車也可以然後最迫切的會是哪一個船也可以對沒有錯船最迫切好我們來看一下陸海空三者當中呢航運的最迫切我們看下一頁其實啊IMO國際海事組織已經要求到二零二八年起你如果沒有用低碳燃料你會增加到一百元美金到三百八十美金這樣額外的支出航商是不是很迫切\n\n14\n00:04:27,159 --> 00:04:52,956\n航商很迫切迫切需要什麼迫切需要低碳燃料我們等一下看長榮在去年已經買了20艘1.6萬吋的甲醇雙糧號船低碳他在今年要再買11艘LNG的雙燃料船萬海也宣布他要用深圳燃料他要減少20的排碳量是不是航運台灣的航運很積極好那請問他們的雙元他們的多元燃料在哪裡加再給你等一下看\n\n15\n00:04:54,389 --> 00:05:16,500\n陽明海運到韓國去加生子燃油啊新加坡利用他的地緣優勢他也不產油他就幫全世界路過的船舶加油現在未來的船舶要用低碳的多元燃料我們台灣可不可能幫台灣自己的船隊跟經過台灣海峽的船隊添加多元的低碳燃料有沒有可能\n\n16\n00:05:18,405 --> 00:05:47,125\n是報告員台灣當然也會建置這個啦目前甲醇我們設定是在高雄港那LNG的部分我們目前跟中油來配合可能是在永安港但是甲醇跟LNG都是過渡型的終究低碳跟無碳的一定是用不是用藍氫也不是用灰氫會用綠氫那台灣自己的綠能不夠一定要從其他國家進口綠能的原料透過液態氫或是氨我問過好幾次了所以大家都以為今天氫能\n\n17\n00:05:47,845 --> 00:06:12,317\n是經濟部在主管是國發會在主管是能源組在主管我要告訴你是交通部在主管所以部長我之前問過你很多次我們台灣的港部設施是不是有積極的在佈建未來船隊要添加多元燃料這樣的設備有沒有指示了報告委員這個目前都在規劃但您所提的這個氫能目前以船來說技術還沒成熟\n\n18\n00:06:13,752 --> 00:06:33,730\n技術還沒成熟2028就要開始了我們這個基礎設施不是今天想到明天就可以做好2035你要用的事情現在2025就要開始準備到2035的時候台灣本身的氫能部件我們的綠能的風電離岸風電的發展已經會超越我們發電的需求我再講一次\n\n19\n00:06:34,844 --> 00:06:53,359\n台灣目前的綠能發展離岸風電它在我們的綠電在我們能源占比電力的占比當中因為它的發電跟蓄電的匹配的錯位它在發電的高峰期超過了我們的電力需求它一定要把這個綠電轉化為氫能氫能怎麼樣最能配合台灣的需求\n\n20\n00:06:54,299 --> 00:07:16,078\n幫路過的船舶添加低碳燃料所以我們要比照石化業開始去思考台灣作為一個不產石油的地方台灣作為一個綠能相對不足的地方我們要進口綠能來煉製船舶多元低碳燃料來供應我們的船隊跟其他國家的船隊使用幫別人解決問題是才會賺錢好最後的結論是這樣\n\n21\n00:07:19,468 --> 00:07:39,313\n要符合IMO温室地體減排措施未來台灣的航商能在台灣加注低碳或無碳燃料嗎這個部分我們當然要朝這個方向努力目標什麼時候您覺得我們要一個中長城計畫2035年可不可以具備低碳的部分我們目前正在準備已經有在準備高雄港跟永安港的部分\n\n22\n00:07:40,342 --> 00:07:59,970\n是所以呢運用台灣海峽的運量優勢也運用我們本國船隊的自有需求優勢是不是交通部你要把低碳燃料定價美國在發展輕能先定價你不定價人家不會來投資你知道嗎CIP現在的全國全球的佈局請問這位在你旁邊的是哪一位主管\n\n23\n00:08:01,973 --> 00:08:30,128\n韓市長韓市長嘛韓市長是航運行政司嘛所以你要告訴部長CIP根本哈根基金他們目前也在台灣負責台灣最大的風產跟離岸風電他們在全世界部件離岸風電他們的目標離岸風電超過當地的電力需求轉為煉低碳的多元燃料幫國際的船舶加油我們希望未來他也選擇在台灣設置這樣的煉青廠幫低碳燃料的船舶加油可以嗎\n\n24\n00:08:30,928 --> 00:08:45,528\n好那部長那什麼時候可以告訴我們航政司會開始來做這個事情請交通部將低碳燃料定價藉由航運的燃料加注業務帶動台灣的輕能產業發展可以嗎好可以我們一個月之內提出書面市長可以嗎好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4489\t21575\t主席在場的委員 先進列席的政府機關市長 官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者 女士 先生有請我們交通部陳部長還有這個陸政司的黃司長以及我們台鐵公司的吳代理董事長吳代理董事長委員好\n26690\t49648\t部長好 董事長好 市長好來 很快的 航商溫室氣體減排破綻媒節燃料加速帶動氫能產業發展來 先問三個地方的問題第一 這是屏東火車站很好 謝謝我們交通部支持現在這個人因為他的我們屏東的很多去搭火車的民眾都是在私營民營的停車場 停好機車就直接進去結果呢 三天就開了670件\n51109\t67759\t的行人違規穿越的罰單可不可以請部長指示一下台鐵公司思考一下申請當地的改善一下 可以嗎是 這個可以做啦好 下一點我們跟地方政府大家來討論一下這個部分要怎麼做好 那第二個呢 這是陸正思這是我們在國道3號長治交流在下面\n68839\t89185\t這幾天就發生了事故所以是不是可以請你們協同交通主管機關增加照明為用路人按一夜間的安全可以嗎這個已經有事故了我們趕快來改善好 謝謝 第三個之前已經有拿到 您拜託了就是我們台22線離港到高速的道路工程改善請指示一下好不好 我已經發文了他們說還沒得到部長的指示\n90570\t100937\t好 這個我們趕快來做好 謝謝 謝謝好 那接下來就是部長的事情來 部長我們輕鬆一點商業上解決自己的問題和解決別人的問題最大差別在哪裡\n102822\t120844\t商業上對那我直接告訴你答案啦解決自己的事要花錢啦解決別人的可以賺錢對不對最懂得這個厲害的是什麼呢台灣跟新加坡很懂得幫別人解決問題來賺錢你看一下來我再問一個台灣跟新加坡都不產石油卻有大規模的石化產業你覺得誰的規模比較大\n123055\t145203\t猜猜看新加坡跟台灣台灣應該比較大吧新加坡比較大但是沒關係他供應什麼需求我們來看一下新加坡是三大煉油中心之一自己不產油喔但是呢他有金融業他有觀光業還有航運業世界三大煉油中心因為馬來西亞跟印尼有產油國他又是天海遭陸然後呢他是馬來西亞海峽航運的船子都同他經過對不對\n146423\t168463\t那台灣呢 那往下看 台灣 新加坡的船舶不多 他只有船舶只有全世界運能的1.3%但是呢 他是去路過的 路過的船舶 他別人要的他都幫他供應了相對的台灣 自己用石化業創造出來的石化原料不僅自製造業用 也給人家什麼 出口 對不對所以台灣跟新加坡都很會賺錢 往下看\n169232\t177357\t那請問一下新加坡和台灣的航運船隊分別在哪裡補給燃料新加坡不用講嘛 就在自己家裡嘛那台灣呢 下一頁台灣在哪裡\n180633\t205475\t台灣也可以補給燃料台灣 我跟你講 你看一看台灣目前我們十二大航商當中我們佔了七十 十一我們的總的運能佔全世界將近一成我們很大的船隊 對不對人家說 如果台海運輸中斷 佔五分之一會影響中央經濟表示什麼 有五分之一的航船要從台灣海峽經過 對不對所以台灣的船是不是在台灣自己加油\n211502\t218591\t現在為了低碳而產生的輕能產業除了發電 工業製造還有運輸您覺得台灣哪一個部份的應用最迫切\n222852\t238321\t發電嗎 工業製造嗎 低碳就是氫能產業 氫能可以發電 氫能可以供應那個工業製造的熱能 氫能還可以供應運輸 運輸有陸海空請問是高鐵還是捷運要用到氫能 還是我們的飛機要用到氫能 還是航運 三個猜一個\n239922\t266081\t最迫切的現在公車也可以然後最迫切的會是哪一個船也可以對沒有錯船最迫切好我們來看一下陸海空三者當中呢航運的最迫切我們看下一頁其實啊IMO國際海事組織已經要求到二零二八年起你如果沒有用低碳燃料你會增加到一百元美金到三百八十美金這樣額外的支出航商是不是很迫切\n267159\t292956\t航商很迫切 迫切需要什麼 迫切需要低碳燃料 我們等一下看長榮在去年已經買了20艘1.6萬吋的甲醇雙糧號船 低碳他在今年要再買11艘LNG的雙燃料船萬海也宣布他要用深圳燃料 他要減少20的排碳量是不是航運 台灣的航運很積極好 那請問他們的雙元 他們的多元燃料在哪裡加再給你等一下看\n294389\t316500\t陽明海運到韓國去加生子燃油啊新加坡利用他的地緣優勢他也不產油他就幫全世界路過的船舶加油現在未來的船舶要用低碳的多元燃料我們台灣可不可能幫台灣自己的船隊跟經過台灣海峽的船隊添加多元的低碳燃料有沒有可能\n318405\t347125\t是 報告員台灣當然也會建置這個啦目前甲醇我們設定是在高雄港那LNG的部分我們目前跟中油來配合可能是在永安港但是甲醇跟LNG都是過渡型的終究低碳跟無碳的一定是用不是用藍氫也不是用灰氫會用綠氫那台灣自己的綠能不夠一定要從其他國家進口綠能的原料透過液態氫或是氨我問過好幾次了所以大家都以為今天氫能\n347845\t372317\t是經濟部在主管是國發會在主管是能源組在主管我要告訴你是交通部在主管所以部長我之前問過你很多次我們台灣的港部設施是不是有積極的在佈建未來船隊要添加多元燃料這樣的設備有沒有指示了報告委員這個目前都在規劃但您所提的這個氫能目前以船來說技術還沒成熟\n373752\t393730\t技術還沒成熟2028就要開始了我們這個基礎設施不是今天想到明天就可以做好2035你要用的事情現在2025就要開始準備到2035的時候台灣本身的氫能部件我們的綠能的風電離岸風電的發展已經會超越我們發電的需求我再講一次\n394844\t413359\t台灣目前的綠能發展離岸風電它在我們的綠電在我們能源占比電力的占比當中因為它的發電跟蓄電的匹配的錯位它在發電的高峰期超過了我們的電力需求它一定要把這個綠電轉化為氫能氫能怎麼樣最能配合台灣的需求\n414299\t436078\t幫路過的船舶添加低碳燃料所以我們要比照石化業開始去思考台灣作為一個不產石油的地方台灣作為一個綠能相對不足的地方我們要進口綠能來煉製船舶多元低碳燃料來供應我們的船隊跟其他國家的船隊使用幫別人解決問題是才會賺錢好 最後的結論是這樣\n439468\t459313\t要符合IMO温室地體減排措施未來台灣的航商能在台灣加注低碳或無碳燃料嗎這個部分我們當然要朝這個方向努力目標什麼時候您覺得我們要一個中長城計畫2035年可不可以具備低碳的部分我們目前正在準備已經有在準備高雄港跟永安港的部分\n460342\t479970\t是所以呢運用台灣海峽的運量優勢也運用我們本國船隊的自有需求優勢是不是交通部你要把低碳燃料定價美國在發展輕能先定價你不定價人家不會來投資你知道嗎CIP現在的全國全球的佈局請問這位在你旁邊的是哪一位主管\n481973\t510128\t韓市長韓市長嘛韓市長是航運行政司嘛所以你要告訴部長CIP根本哈根基金他們目前也在台灣負責台灣最大的風產跟離岸風電他們在全世界部件離岸風電他們的目標離岸風電超過當地的電力需求轉為煉低碳的多元燃料幫國際的船舶加油我們希望未來他也選擇在台灣設置這樣的煉青廠幫低碳燃料的船舶加油可以嗎\n510928\t525528\t好那部長那什麼時候可以告訴我們航政司會開始來做這個事情請交通部將低碳燃料定價藉由航運的燃料加注業務帶動台灣的輕能產業發展可以嗎好可以我們一個月之內提出書面市長可以嗎好謝謝\n","txt":"主席在場的委員 先進列席的政府機關市長 官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者 女士 先生有請我們交通部陳部長還有這個陸政司的黃司長以及我們台鐵公司的吳代理董事長吳代理董事長委員好\n部長好 董事長好 市長好來 很快的 航商溫室氣體減排破綻媒節燃料加速帶動氫能產業發展來 先問三個地方的問題第一 這是屏東火車站很好 謝謝我們交通部支持現在這個人因為他的我們屏東的很多去搭火車的民眾都是在私營民營的停車場 停好機車就直接進去結果呢 三天就開了670件\n的行人違規穿越的罰單可不可以請部長指示一下台鐵公司思考一下申請當地的改善一下 可以嗎是 這個可以做啦好 下一點我們跟地方政府大家來討論一下這個部分要怎麼做好 那第二個呢 這是陸正思這是我們在國道3號長治交流在下面\n這幾天就發生了事故所以是不是可以請你們協同交通主管機關增加照明為用路人按一夜間的安全可以嗎這個已經有事故了我們趕快來改善好 謝謝 第三個之前已經有拿到 您拜託了就是我們台22線離港到高速的道路工程改善請指示一下好不好 我已經發文了他們說還沒得到部長的指示\n好 這個我們趕快來做好 謝謝 謝謝好 那接下來就是部長的事情來 部長我們輕鬆一點商業上解決自己的問題和解決別人的問題最大差別在哪裡\n商業上對那我直接告訴你答案啦解決自己的事要花錢啦解決別人的可以賺錢對不對最懂得這個厲害的是什麼呢台灣跟新加坡很懂得幫別人解決問題來賺錢你看一下來我再問一個台灣跟新加坡都不產石油卻有大規模的石化產業你覺得誰的規模比較大\n猜猜看新加坡跟台灣台灣應該比較大吧新加坡比較大但是沒關係他供應什麼需求我們來看一下新加坡是三大煉油中心之一自己不產油喔但是呢他有金融業他有觀光業還有航運業世界三大煉油中心因為馬來西亞跟印尼有產油國他又是天海遭陸然後呢他是馬來西亞海峽航運的船子都同他經過對不對\n那台灣呢 那往下看 台灣 新加坡的船舶不多 他只有船舶只有全世界運能的1.3%但是呢 他是去路過的 路過的船舶 他別人要的他都幫他供應了相對的台灣 自己用石化業創造出來的石化原料不僅自製造業用 也給人家什麼 出口 對不對所以台灣跟新加坡都很會賺錢 往下看\n那請問一下新加坡和台灣的航運船隊分別在哪裡補給燃料新加坡不用講嘛 就在自己家裡嘛那台灣呢 下一頁台灣在哪裡\n台灣也可以補給燃料台灣 我跟你講 你看一看台灣目前我們十二大航商當中我們佔了七十 十一我們的總的運能佔全世界將近一成我們很大的船隊 對不對人家說 如果台海運輸中斷 佔五分之一會影響中央經濟表示什麼 有五分之一的航船要從台灣海峽經過 對不對所以台灣的船是不是在台灣自己加油\n現在為了低碳而產生的輕能產業除了發電 工業製造還有運輸您覺得台灣哪一個部份的應用最迫切\n發電嗎 工業製造嗎 低碳就是氫能產業 氫能可以發電 氫能可以供應那個工業製造的熱能 氫能還可以供應運輸 運輸有陸海空請問是高鐵還是捷運要用到氫能 還是我們的飛機要用到氫能 還是航運 三個猜一個\n最迫切的現在公車也可以然後最迫切的會是哪一個船也可以對沒有錯船最迫切好我們來看一下陸海空三者當中呢航運的最迫切我們看下一頁其實啊IMO國際海事組織已經要求到二零二八年起你如果沒有用低碳燃料你會增加到一百元美金到三百八十美金這樣額外的支出航商是不是很迫切\n航商很迫切 迫切需要什麼 迫切需要低碳燃料 我們等一下看長榮在去年已經買了20艘1.6萬吋的甲醇雙糧號船 低碳他在今年要再買11艘LNG的雙燃料船萬海也宣布他要用深圳燃料 他要減少20的排碳量是不是航運 台灣的航運很積極好 那請問他們的雙元 他們的多元燃料在哪裡加再給你等一下看\n陽明海運到韓國去加生子燃油啊新加坡利用他的地緣優勢他也不產油他就幫全世界路過的船舶加油現在未來的船舶要用低碳的多元燃料我們台灣可不可能幫台灣自己的船隊跟經過台灣海峽的船隊添加多元的低碳燃料有沒有可能\n是 報告員台灣當然也會建置這個啦目前甲醇我們設定是在高雄港那LNG的部分我們目前跟中油來配合可能是在永安港但是甲醇跟LNG都是過渡型的終究低碳跟無碳的一定是用不是用藍氫也不是用灰氫會用綠氫那台灣自己的綠能不夠一定要從其他國家進口綠能的原料透過液態氫或是氨我問過好幾次了所以大家都以為今天氫能\n是經濟部在主管是國發會在主管是能源組在主管我要告訴你是交通部在主管所以部長我之前問過你很多次我們台灣的港部設施是不是有積極的在佈建未來船隊要添加多元燃料這樣的設備有沒有指示了報告委員這個目前都在規劃但您所提的這個氫能目前以船來說技術還沒成熟\n技術還沒成熟2028就要開始了我們這個基礎設施不是今天想到明天就可以做好2035你要用的事情現在2025就要開始準備到2035的時候台灣本身的氫能部件我們的綠能的風電離岸風電的發展已經會超越我們發電的需求我再講一次\n台灣目前的綠能發展離岸風電它在我們的綠電在我們能源占比電力的占比當中因為它的發電跟蓄電的匹配的錯位它在發電的高峰期超過了我們的電力需求它一定要把這個綠電轉化為氫能氫能怎麼樣最能配合台灣的需求\n幫路過的船舶添加低碳燃料所以我們要比照石化業開始去思考台灣作為一個不產石油的地方台灣作為一個綠能相對不足的地方我們要進口綠能來煉製船舶多元低碳燃料來供應我們的船隊跟其他國家的船隊使用幫別人解決問題是才會賺錢好 最後的結論是這樣\n要符合IMO温室地體減排措施未來台灣的航商能在台灣加注低碳或無碳燃料嗎這個部分我們當然要朝這個方向努力目標什麼時候您覺得我們要一個中長城計畫2035年可不可以具備低碳的部分我們目前正在準備已經有在準備高雄港跟永安港的部分\n是所以呢運用台灣海峽的運量優勢也運用我們本國船隊的自有需求優勢是不是交通部你要把低碳燃料定價美國在發展輕能先定價你不定價人家不會來投資你知道嗎CIP現在的全國全球的佈局請問這位在你旁邊的是哪一位主管\n韓市長韓市長嘛韓市長是航運行政司嘛所以你要告訴部長CIP根本哈根基金他們目前也在台灣負責台灣最大的風產跟離岸風電他們在全世界部件離岸風電他們的目標離岸風電超過當地的電力需求轉為煉低碳的多元燃料幫國際的船舶加油我們希望未來他也選擇在台灣設置這樣的煉青廠幫低碳燃料的船舶加油可以嗎\n好那部長那什麼時候可以告訴我們航政司會開始來做這個事情請交通部將低碳燃料定價藉由航運的燃料加注業務帶動台灣的輕能產業發展可以嗎好可以我們一個月之內提出書面市長可以嗎好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.489 --> 00:21.575\n主席在場的委員先進列席的政府機關市長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們交通部陳部長還有這個陸政司的黃司長以及我們台鐵公司的吳代理董事長吳代理董事長委員好\n\n00:26.690 --> 00:49.648\n部長好董事長好市長好來很快的航商溫室氣體減排破綻媒節燃料加速帶動氫能產業發展來先問三個地方的問題第一這是屏東火車站很好謝謝我們交通部支持現在這個人因為他的我們屏東的很多去搭火車的民眾都是在私營民營的停車場停好機車就直接進去結果呢三天就開了670件\n\n00:51.109 --> 01:07.759\n的行人違規穿越的罰單可不可以請部長指示一下台鐵公司思考一下申請當地的改善一下可以嗎是這個可以做啦好下一點我們跟地方政府大家來討論一下這個部分要怎麼做好那第二個呢這是陸正思這是我們在國道3號長治交流在下面\n\n01:08.839 --> 01:29.185\n這幾天就發生了事故所以是不是可以請你們協同交通主管機關增加照明為用路人按一夜間的安全可以嗎這個已經有事故了我們趕快來改善好謝謝第三個之前已經有拿到您拜託了就是我們台22線離港到高速的道路工程改善請指示一下好不好我已經發文了他們說還沒得到部長的指示\n\n01:30.570 --> 01:40.937\n好這個我們趕快來做好謝謝謝謝好那接下來就是部長的事情來部長我們輕鬆一點商業上解決自己的問題和解決別人的問題最大差別在哪裡\n\n01:42.822 --> 02:00.844\n商業上對那我直接告訴你答案啦解決自己的事要花錢啦解決別人的可以賺錢對不對最懂得這個厲害的是什麼呢台灣跟新加坡很懂得幫別人解決問題來賺錢你看一下來我再問一個台灣跟新加坡都不產石油卻有大規模的石化產業你覺得誰的規模比較大\n\n02:03.055 --> 02:25.203\n猜猜看新加坡跟台灣台灣應該比較大吧新加坡比較大但是沒關係他供應什麼需求我們來看一下新加坡是三大煉油中心之一自己不產油喔但是呢他有金融業他有觀光業還有航運業世界三大煉油中心因為馬來西亞跟印尼有產油國他又是天海遭陸然後呢他是馬來西亞海峽航運的船子都同他經過對不對\n\n02:26.423 --> 02:48.463\n那台灣呢那往下看台灣新加坡的船舶不多他只有船舶只有全世界運能的1.3%但是呢他是去路過的路過的船舶他別人要的他都幫他供應了相對的台灣自己用石化業創造出來的石化原料不僅自製造業用也給人家什麼出口對不對所以台灣跟新加坡都很會賺錢往下看\n\n02:49.232 --> 02:57.357\n那請問一下新加坡和台灣的航運船隊分別在哪裡補給燃料新加坡不用講嘛就在自己家裡嘛那台灣呢下一頁台灣在哪裡\n\n03:00.633 --> 03:25.475\n台灣也可以補給燃料台灣我跟你講你看一看台灣目前我們十二大航商當中我們佔了七十十一我們的總的運能佔全世界將近一成我們很大的船隊對不對人家說如果台海運輸中斷佔五分之一會影響中央經濟表示什麼有五分之一的航船要從台灣海峽經過對不對所以台灣的船是不是在台灣自己加油\n\n03:31.502 --> 03:38.591\n現在為了低碳而產生的輕能產業除了發電工業製造還有運輸您覺得台灣哪一個部份的應用最迫切\n\n03:42.852 --> 03:58.321\n發電嗎工業製造嗎低碳就是氫能產業氫能可以發電氫能可以供應那個工業製造的熱能氫能還可以供應運輸運輸有陸海空請問是高鐵還是捷運要用到氫能還是我們的飛機要用到氫能還是航運三個猜一個\n\n03:59.922 --> 04:26.081\n最迫切的現在公車也可以然後最迫切的會是哪一個船也可以對沒有錯船最迫切好我們來看一下陸海空三者當中呢航運的最迫切我們看下一頁其實啊IMO國際海事組織已經要求到二零二八年起你如果沒有用低碳燃料你會增加到一百元美金到三百八十美金這樣額外的支出航商是不是很迫切\n\n04:27.159 --> 04:52.956\n航商很迫切迫切需要什麼迫切需要低碳燃料我們等一下看長榮在去年已經買了20艘1.6萬吋的甲醇雙糧號船低碳他在今年要再買11艘LNG的雙燃料船萬海也宣布他要用深圳燃料他要減少20的排碳量是不是航運台灣的航運很積極好那請問他們的雙元他們的多元燃料在哪裡加再給你等一下看\n\n04:54.389 --> 05:16.500\n陽明海運到韓國去加生子燃油啊新加坡利用他的地緣優勢他也不產油他就幫全世界路過的船舶加油現在未來的船舶要用低碳的多元燃料我們台灣可不可能幫台灣自己的船隊跟經過台灣海峽的船隊添加多元的低碳燃料有沒有可能\n\n05:18.405 --> 05:47.125\n是報告員台灣當然也會建置這個啦目前甲醇我們設定是在高雄港那LNG的部分我們目前跟中油來配合可能是在永安港但是甲醇跟LNG都是過渡型的終究低碳跟無碳的一定是用不是用藍氫也不是用灰氫會用綠氫那台灣自己的綠能不夠一定要從其他國家進口綠能的原料透過液態氫或是氨我問過好幾次了所以大家都以為今天氫能\n\n05:47.845 --> 06:12.317\n是經濟部在主管是國發會在主管是能源組在主管我要告訴你是交通部在主管所以部長我之前問過你很多次我們台灣的港部設施是不是有積極的在佈建未來船隊要添加多元燃料這樣的設備有沒有指示了報告委員這個目前都在規劃但您所提的這個氫能目前以船來說技術還沒成熟\n\n06:13.752 --> 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