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00:02:05,192\n許多花東地區的這個交通跟我們的各個觀光都還在復原當中那現在中央我們核定的台鐵的新票價對東部來講非常的不公平為什麼我這樣講台東到台北的票價那以自強號來說就漲了300塊那這對很多外出的學子北漂的工作的這些人來說年輕人來說都是非常沉重的負擔尤其我們台北到台東的自強號票價\n\n7\n00:02:06,913 --> 00:02:27,966\n幾乎跟台北到高雄是一樣的不過其實必須要講的是說我們西部幹線裡面你有台鐵以外還有高鐵高速公路還有客運我們有很多的選擇那我們台東人除了昂貴的飛機票以外其實大眾運輸就剩下台鐵而已那\n\n8\n00:02:29,384 --> 00:02:44,369\n這個台鐵還可能是因為好雨或大或颱風他就可能會停掉就可能會又停掉那為什麼我們跟西部復旦一樣高額的票價可是沒有相同平等的這個對待這個東部人真的不是二等公民\n\n9\n00:02:45,120 --> 00:03:07,667\n那本期在票調漲之前是多次的透過質詢跟會議我們就要求中央說必須要來動長東部幹線的票價如果說真的要調漲也必須要研擬花東居民的這個專屬的優惠那先前我跟部長還有國發會主委質詢的時候特別提到說我們可以有一個花東基金的部分可以專款專用來補貼那也獲得部長還有國發會主委正面的回應\n\n10\n00:03:08,948 --> 00:03:27,090\n上個禮拜在總質詢的時候也跟我們總院長親自來質詢他也答應本席說會盡快研議花東居民專屬優惠票價的部分不過我們在今天的專案報告裡面有關花東優惠票價的方案只有簡單的幾句話帶過完全沒有具體的期程跟內容\n\n11\n00:03:27,771 --> 00:03:50,060\n那前兩天新聞有說會給予花東加倍的點數優惠那這個我們後面再談我想這個根本就是杯水車薪因此本席要請教部長所謂到底具體的方案是什麼那你能不能在新票價上路之前就實施這個花東的這個優惠票價來減少花東居民的交通負擔\n\n12\n00:03:50,900 --> 00:04:10,935\n我希望的目標也是在6月23號調漲票價的同時花東的整體的優惠方案能夠同時上線那不過這個部分是牽涉到整個系統要改系統的問題那我們希望能夠跟得上所以我們朝這個目標在努力跟委員報告你們具體的方案\n\n13\n00:04:11,676 --> 00:04:25,932\n具體的方案跟委員報告這個還需要給台鐵一段時間來研擬跟研議大概在五月五月五月三十號以前五月三十號以前我會提出方案因為其實本席很那麼什麼叫點數優惠因為其實\n\n14\n00:04:29,192 --> 00:04:44,983\n部長還有董事長那個很多人其實像我就沒有台鐵的會員那我怎麼樣獲得點數優惠另外還有台中很多長輩其實他也常常在坐火車那長輩他可能連手機都不太會用你要怎麼就要去用這些優惠\n\n15\n00:04:45,563 --> 00:05:09,048\n沒有手機的也可以加入會員這個我們會想辦法啦在整體方案提出來之前所有委員所提到的這些問題我們都會想辦法來解決那還是要鼓勵花東的民眾盡量加入會員因為台鐵的會員其實有蠻多的優惠那那個會員的點數可以直接折換成票價可以折換成票價讓他的票價可以降低\n\n16\n00:05:10,451 --> 00:05:37,191\n部長我想未來在整個票價調整政策上面真的要給花東的居民一些合理的優惠因為真的交通屬性不一樣我聽到其他的委員在質詢的時候我都人家都在講格題講回人家我們還在講台鐵票價我們就知道那個整個落差性是很大那我想交通部其實也可以邀請我們國發會就本席是一直提到的花東基金花東基金那找國發會也好找台東縣政府花東縣政府我們三方一起來談嘛\n\n17\n00:05:37,971 --> 00:05:51,575\n報告委員這個部分我們也會去拜託花東基金的部分國發會的部分來幫我們啦台鐵不應該讓台鐵因為對台鐵來說它營運是很重要本期建議說比照離島建設的精神其實花東的交通跟離島其實差不多情況\n\n18\n00:06:02,423 --> 00:06:27,213\n部長你之前也去過嘛你也了解嘛他的特別性就是就是這條運輸道路而已那所以我想能夠召集這些大家來坐下來談說看怎麼樣不管是在交通上在產業上運輸上甚至觀光上我們怎麼來協助那我想這個部分還要請部長還有董事長那邊盡快的將方案提出來那也希望再次呼籲東部的屬性真的很特別\n\n19\n00:06:28,362 --> 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那麼什麼叫點數優惠因為其實\n部長還有董事長那個很多人其實像我就沒有台鐵的會員那我怎麼樣獲得點數優惠另外還有台中很多長輩其實他也常常在坐火車那長輩他可能連手機都不太會用你要怎麼就要去用這些優惠\n沒有手機的也可以加入會員這個我們會想辦法啦在整體方案提出來之前所有委員所提到的這些問題我們都會想辦法來解決那還是要鼓勵花東的民眾盡量加入會員因為台鐵的會員其實有蠻多的優惠那那個會員的點數可以直接折換成票價可以折換成票價讓他的票價可以降低\n部長 我想未來在整個票價調整政策上面真的要給花東的居民一些合理的優惠因為真的交通屬性不一樣我聽到其他的委員在質詢的時候我都人家都在講格題 講回人家我們還在講台鐵票價我們就知道那個整個落差性是很大那我想交通部其實也可以邀請我們國發會就本席是一直提到的花東基金 花東基金那找國發會也好找台東縣政府 花東縣政府我們三方一起來談嘛\n報告委員 這個部分我們也會去拜託花東基金的部分 國發會的部分來幫我們啦台鐵不應該讓台鐵 因為對台鐵來說它營運是很重要本期建議說比照離島建設的精神其實花東的交通跟離島其實差不多情況\n部長你之前也去過嘛 你也了解嘛他的特別性就是就是這條運輸道路而已那所以我想能夠召集這些大家來坐下來談說看怎麼樣不管是在交通上 在產業上 運輸上 甚至觀光上我們怎麼來協助那我想這個部分還要請部長還有董事長那邊盡快的將方案提出來那也希望再次呼籲東部的屬性真的很特別\n我們雖然住的比較遠 我們的人比較少但是我們一樣都是這個國家的一份住 希望大家可以體諒因為我們台鐵有地遠地簡以台北到台東距離比較遠所以它的漲幅是比較低的 平均是28但台東的漲幅只有19%那未來我們還會透過這個會員的優惠的方案給台鐵 給台東的鄉親更多的優惠謝謝部長 也謝謝董事長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.756 --> 00:17.497\n謝謝主席我們有請陳部長跟台鐵代理的吳董事長好交通部陳部長還有吳代董事長委員好\n\n00:19.182 --> 00:37.118\n部長好董事長好兩位好針對今天的這個專案報告本席要特別針對我們台鐵的票價調整部分來跟持續的跟專案繼續來溝通我們記得去年0403強震之後我們造成花東交通觀光嚴重的這個衝擊\n\n00:38.579 --> 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