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00:02:15,856\n那接著就叫部長就是目前來講這個川普的貿易戰的這個部分啊那對於我們南投縣還受影響的企業家數我從縣府也調資料在1150家相關這262家都是受到衝擊\n\n8\n00:02:21,641 --> 00:02:43,859\n那目前來講交通部也在25號有開了產業座談因應關稅的一個會議啊那會議中的結論跟訴求我這邊也都有看到但是目前來講在美國對關稅直接充其是在生產端跟消費端在運輸則是在兩者之間最重要的一個支撐角色那本行要救救那在目前\n\n9\n00:02:44,580 --> 00:03:04,797\n行政院所規劃的4100億它並沒有直接支援在這些運輸或是在這個直接在廠家的部分那這樣子要怎麼樣來去改善或是報告委員目前我們有觀察整體的運量不管是海運或者是空運受到的影響到目前為止看起來並不大\n\n10\n00:03:05,598 --> 00:03:30,382\n那未來或許會受到比較大的影響那以過去的經驗其實我們對於航空業者或者是說航運業者船運業者的部分他們自己也會去做一些調控那目前我們跟他們座談的過程當中他們所提出的需求是希望我們可以增加一些彈性例如說他要調整航班的時候我們盡量快速的配合他或者他調整航程的時候我們盡量快速配合他\n\n11\n00:03:30,802 --> 00:03:44,310\n那這個部分我們密切跟他們做聯繫如果真的有需要的時候我們會再提出其他的方案沒關係那到時候方案再跟本席跟本委員會再提供那同樣的就在於這個將近在\n\n12\n00:03:46,591 --> 00:04:02,808\n七月底即將到期到週談判的一個結果那所以說現在在許多業界尤其在我們南投縣許多受影響的企業家就擔心到時候六月中到七月初會爆發這個擠蛋潮那目前來請教一下部內或杭真實這邊預計要怎麼解決這個擠蛋潮\n\n13\n00:04:06,131 --> 00:04:24,399\n報告委員我們航港局其實有一個因應對策的會議包含這個平穩的機制其實我們也都有在開會我們持續在開會所以如果真的有急單來的時候我們去調配拜託國籍的航商可以幫忙去調配船艙的部分提供艙位的部分這個我們會來協調\n\n14\n00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:48,518\n這個那目前已經事前溝通嗎還是預計會去這麼溝通我們目前都持續在做溝通那會議也持續固定有在開但是目前變化還沒來等變化來的時候就會很積極的趕快去處理本席要表示說其實防範未然其實這個很明顯的可以預期說到時候時間點到的時候其實現在許多產業跟企業他們本身就已經心急如焚\n\n15\n00:04:49,238 --> 00:05:17,839\n那所以說到時候這個吉丹草如果一來的時候提早做好因應有報告委員我們5月6號航港局就會來召開會議這個部分我們會及早因應好謝謝那再來就是在昨天的話我們大家都知道這個西班牙大停電那這個電網的部分不管是極端氣候還是說找不出原因但是在目前台灣很明顯的就要遇到5月17號河山廠第二基礎就要停役了那就直接就交部長\n\n16\n00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:43,079\n那如果發生這種大停電的情況之下那在台鐵的部分的運輸上是否有任何的備援方案包括我們的台鐵的廠站他都有備援方案也會有發電機也有不斷電系統尤其是在這個行控系統一定要做到不斷電所以不斷電系統都有好那這個不斷電系統的話大概電力可以維持幾小時4個小時吧所以4個小時之後的話就沒電\n\n17\n00:05:44,173 --> 00:06:00,897\n我們還有發電機,我們先讓他不斷電,先維持至少4個小時,但是4個小時之內我們應該很快速就會啟動發電機那過去的話,對於這樣子的一個如果大停電的一個情況之下,有做過任何的一個形式的演練嗎?我們最近3月提案也有\n\n18\n00:06:03,173 --> 00:06:16,422\n我們每季都會有提案演習所以我們最近在三月份一到三月就有做過一次提案演習那這個演習的話是針對就是停電的一個情況沒有停電的部分我們會在後續的\n\n19\n00:06:17,662 --> 00:06:34,438\n這個鐵岸演習裡面也把這個腳本劇本把他納進去對因為其實我們看到西班牙會發生這個情況那同樣的那本席要直接再質問就是那在河山停役之後的話目前對於台鐵的這個供電來講有受到什麼樣的衝擊嗎\n\n20\n00:06:36,608 --> 00:07:01,529\n報告委員這個河山廠它是影響的是整體的供電的量跟台鐵沒有直接的關係目前我們看到台鐵那邊的備載容量其實每一天都至少有百分之十幾以上所以看起來供電的狀況還可以而且我所瞭解河山廠目前的供電量佔整體的供電量很像比例沒有很高所以台鐵那邊應該是全國整體供電的風險\n\n21\n00:07:04,972 --> 00:07:33,086\n就是全國整體供電的一個情況所以說這個部分來講同樣的也創造了因為像西班牙這樣子無預警的電網失衡那其實就有可能會讓任何突發狀況有可能發生的時候那如果像現在來講的話台鐵的話在電力的話它的變電力是4個小時那像這樣子的話耗製的部分或是閘門閘道的部分也同樣就是在4個小時內有這樣子的一個供電措施嗎\n\n22\n00:07:34,022 --> 00:07:58,798\n對我們不斷電的鋪設都是這個樣子廠站的部分那如果說就是說這樣子換一個角度講的話就是目前來講假如遇到大停電或是天災人禍台鐵還能夠營運的話就大致上除了發電機之外就只剩下四個小時嘛正常的話廠站的部分啦如果以路線來講的話以路線來講如果真的整體停電路線上沒有電當然車子無法運行\n\n23\n00:07:59,506 --> 00:08:17,518\n那疏散過去也有多久演練一次疏散這種方案疏散是不是三個月你們都會每一季都有演練那是以單點還是區域還是整體全國你看腳本我們也有以場戰為主然後也有配合震災或是風災區域的一個聯合演練都會\n\n24\n00:08:18,038 --> 00:08:37,478\n好那沒關係那防範未然啦因為時間有限那因為如果說發生大停跌或是天災人禍的時候那全國的交通運輸還是要由部長這邊來去主政那如果說以四個小時的一個備援電力來講的話那後面用發電機如果沒有電的情況之下那等於是一個鐵路系統就已經是癱瘓了\n\n25\n00:08:38,459 --> 00:08:58,192\n那這樣子的話不管是在天災或是戰時的話那其實在交通上以及人員的疏散上其實就是一個很大的挑戰那同樣的是在各種的一個演習演練那他目前來講以前所沿用的演練計畫相信都是比較區塊的但是本席還是希望在這個集會討論之後能夠把\n\n26\n00:09:00,273 --> 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謝謝那再來就是在昨天的話我們大家都知道這個西班牙大停電那這個電網的部分不管是極端氣候還是說找不出原因但是在目前台灣很明顯的就要遇到5月17號河山廠第二基礎就要停役了那就直接就交部長\n318399\t343079\t那如果發生這種大停電的情況之下那在台鐵的部分的運輸上是否有任何的備援方案包括我們的台鐵的廠站他都有備援方案也會有發電機也有不斷電系統尤其是在這個行控系統一定要做到不斷電所以不斷電系統都有好那這個不斷電系統的話大概電力可以維持幾小時4個小時吧所以4個小時之後的話就沒電\n344173\t360897\t我們還有發電機,我們先讓他不斷電,先維持至少4個小時,但是4個小時之內我們應該很快速就會啟動發電機那過去的話,對於這樣子的一個如果大停電的一個情況之下,有做過任何的一個形式的演練嗎?我們最近3月提案也有\n363173\t376422\t我們每季都會有提案演習所以我們最近在三月份一到三月就有做過一次提案演習那這個演習的話是針對就是停電的一個情況沒有 停電的部分我們會在後續的\n377662\t394438\t這個鐵岸演習裡面也把這個腳本劇本把他納進去對 因為其實我們看到西班牙會發生這個情況那同樣的那本席要直接再質問就是那在河山停役之後的話目前對於台鐵的這個供電來講有受到什麼樣的衝擊嗎\n396608\t421529\t報告委員這個河山廠它是影響的是整體的供電的量跟台鐵沒有直接的關係目前我們看到台鐵那邊的備載容量其實每一天都至少有百分之十幾以上所以看起來供電的狀況還可以而且我所瞭解河山廠目前的供電量佔整體的供電量很像比例沒有很高所以台鐵那邊應該是全國整體供電的風險\n424972\t453086\t就是全國整體供電的一個情況所以說這個部分來講同樣的也創造了因為像西班牙這樣子無預警的電網失衡那其實就有可能會讓任何突發狀況有可能發生的時候那如果像現在來講的話台鐵的話在電力的話它的變電力是4個小時那像這樣子的話耗製的部分或是閘門閘道的部分也同樣就是在4個小時內有這樣子的一個供電措施嗎\n454022\t478798\t對 我們不斷電的鋪設都是這個樣子 廠站的部分那如果說 就是說這樣子換一個角度講的話就是目前來講假如遇到大停電或是天災人禍台鐵還能夠營運的話 就大致上除了發電機之外就只剩下四個小時嘛 正常的話廠站的部分啦 如果以路線來講的話以路線來講 如果真的整體停電 路線上沒有電 當然車子無法運行\n479506\t497518\t那疏散過去也有多久演練一次疏散這種方案疏散是不是三個月你們都會每一季都有演練那是以單點還是區域還是整體全國你看腳本我們也有以場戰為主然後也有配合震災或是風災區域的一個聯合演練都會\n498038\t517478\t好那沒關係那防範未然啦因為時間有限那因為如果說發生大停跌或是天災人禍的時候那全國的交通運輸還是要由部長這邊來去主政那如果說以四個小時的一個備援電力來講的話那後面用發電機如果沒有電的情況之下那等於是一個鐵路系統就已經是癱瘓了\n518459\t538192\t那這樣子的話不管是在天災或是戰時的話那其實在交通上以及人員的疏散上其實就是一個很大的挑戰那同樣的是在各種的一個演習演練那他目前來講以前所沿用的演練計畫相信都是比較區塊的但是本席還是希望在這個集會討論之後能夠把\n540273\t568333\t各種的演練的可能性或是包括在劇本腳本的部分也能夠把它放大因為我們看到西班牙他有辦法全國大停電未來台灣如果又全國大停電那這樣子影響的不管先不管說產業上受到的衝擊那其實在民眾在交通上面的疏散跟安全就已經是一大挑戰那我們反反未然也希望說部長這邊能夠整成相關單位來做更完善的演練好沒問題謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝趙偉 還有請部長好 我們交通部陳部長那也有請一下台鐵公司代理董事長吳代董事長\n其實在南投在上次這個交通委員會還有我們的考察其實許多事情其實還是也感謝交通部對於南投的幫忙那很多事項的話也都有逐一的來協助落實跟包括經費的提供也算是對交通部表達感謝\n那在特別請就是代理董事長的時候其實也就是要在追蹤就是上一次有在會議上有提到在積極支線就是在目前預計可以完工的時間期程那時候有提到希望能夠加快\n在今年年底還能夠到車程的部分能夠來做完工那時候在評估是有這個機會那我想請教一下那目前上次提出到現在時隔一個月那這個演繹的進度如何謝謝\n跟委員報告這確實回去有再找台鐵同仁再了解現在看起來還是有它的困難度不過我想我們會再努力我們就幾個環節再去看看可不可以再縮短一點\n好 那盡可能來協助完整那總是希望能夠在就是今年年底明年南投燈會到時候在開始的時候那大家來南投還可以剛好重新再來振興這個我們集集支線這條觀光路線的景氣是好 謝謝\n那接著就叫部長就是目前來講這個川普的貿易戰的這個部分啊那對於我們南投縣還受影響的企業家數我從縣府也調資料在1150家相關這262家都是受到衝擊\n那目前來講交通部也在25號有開了產業座談因應關稅的一個會議啊那會議中的結論跟訴求我這邊也都有看到但是目前來講在美國對關稅直接充其是在生產端跟消費端在運輸則是在兩者之間最重要的一個支撐角色那本行要救救那在目前\n行政院所規劃的4100億 它並沒有直接支援在這些運輸或是在這個直接在廠家的部分那這樣子要怎麼樣來去改善或是報告委員 目前我們有觀察整體的運量不管是海運或者是空運受到的影響到目前為止看起來並不大\n那未來或許會受到比較大的影響那以過去的經驗其實我們對於航空業者或者是說航運業者船運業者的部分他們自己也會去做一些調控那目前我們跟他們座談的過程當中他們所提出的需求是希望我們可以增加一些彈性例如說他要調整航班的時候我們盡量快速的配合他或者他調整航程的時候我們盡量快速配合他\n那這個部分我們密切跟他們做聯繫如果真的有需要的時候我們會再提出其他的方案沒關係那到時候方案再跟本席跟本委員會再提供那同樣的就在於這個將近在\n七月底即將到期到週談判的一個結果那所以說現在在許多業界 尤其在我們南投縣許多受影響的企業家就擔心到時候六月中到七月初會爆發這個擠蛋潮那目前來請教一下部內或杭真實這邊預計要怎麼解決這個擠蛋潮\n報告委員我們航港局其實有一個因應對策的會議包含這個平穩的機制其實我們也都有在開會我們持續在開會所以如果真的有急單來的時候我們去調配拜託國籍的航商可以幫忙去調配船艙的部分提供艙位的部分這個我們會來協調\n這個那目前已經事前溝通嗎還是預計會去這麼溝通我們目前都持續在做溝通那會議也持續固定有在開但是目前變化還沒來等變化來的時候就會很積極的趕快去處理本席要表示說其實防範未然其實這個很明顯的可以預期說到時候時間點到的時候其實現在許多產業跟企業他們本身就已經心急如焚\n那所以說到時候這個吉丹草如果一來的時候提早做好因應有報告委員我們5月6號航港局就會來召開會議這個部分我們會及早因應好 謝謝那再來就是在昨天的話我們大家都知道這個西班牙大停電那這個電網的部分不管是極端氣候還是說找不出原因但是在目前台灣很明顯的就要遇到5月17號河山廠第二基礎就要停役了那就直接就交部長\n那如果發生這種大停電的情況之下那在台鐵的部分的運輸上是否有任何的備援方案包括我們的台鐵的廠站他都有備援方案也會有發電機也有不斷電系統尤其是在這個行控系統一定要做到不斷電所以不斷電系統都有好那這個不斷電系統的話大概電力可以維持幾小時4個小時吧所以4個小時之後的話就沒電\n我們還有發電機,我們先讓他不斷電,先維持至少4個小時,但是4個小時之內我們應該很快速就會啟動發電機那過去的話,對於這樣子的一個如果大停電的一個情況之下,有做過任何的一個形式的演練嗎?我們最近3月提案也有\n我們每季都會有提案演習所以我們最近在三月份一到三月就有做過一次提案演習那這個演習的話是針對就是停電的一個情況沒有 停電的部分我們會在後續的\n這個鐵岸演習裡面也把這個腳本劇本把他納進去對 因為其實我們看到西班牙會發生這個情況那同樣的那本席要直接再質問就是那在河山停役之後的話目前對於台鐵的這個供電來講有受到什麼樣的衝擊嗎\n報告委員這個河山廠它是影響的是整體的供電的量跟台鐵沒有直接的關係目前我們看到台鐵那邊的備載容量其實每一天都至少有百分之十幾以上所以看起來供電的狀況還可以而且我所瞭解河山廠目前的供電量佔整體的供電量很像比例沒有很高所以台鐵那邊應該是全國整體供電的風險\n就是全國整體供電的一個情況所以說這個部分來講同樣的也創造了因為像西班牙這樣子無預警的電網失衡那其實就有可能會讓任何突發狀況有可能發生的時候那如果像現在來講的話台鐵的話在電力的話它的變電力是4個小時那像這樣子的話耗製的部分或是閘門閘道的部分也同樣就是在4個小時內有這樣子的一個供電措施嗎\n對 我們不斷電的鋪設都是這個樣子 廠站的部分那如果說 就是說這樣子換一個角度講的話就是目前來講假如遇到大停電或是天災人禍台鐵還能夠營運的話 就大致上除了發電機之外就只剩下四個小時嘛 正常的話廠站的部分啦 如果以路線來講的話以路線來講 如果真的整體停電 路線上沒有電 當然車子無法運行\n那疏散過去也有多久演練一次疏散這種方案疏散是不是三個月你們都會每一季都有演練那是以單點還是區域還是整體全國你看腳本我們也有以場戰為主然後也有配合震災或是風災區域的一個聯合演練都會\n好那沒關係那防範未然啦因為時間有限那因為如果說發生大停跌或是天災人禍的時候那全國的交通運輸還是要由部長這邊來去主政那如果說以四個小時的一個備援電力來講的話那後面用發電機如果沒有電的情況之下那等於是一個鐵路系統就已經是癱瘓了\n那這樣子的話不管是在天災或是戰時的話那其實在交通上以及人員的疏散上其實就是一個很大的挑戰那同樣的是在各種的一個演習演練那他目前來講以前所沿用的演練計畫相信都是比較區塊的但是本席還是希望在這個集會討論之後能夠把\n各種的演練的可能性或是包括在劇本腳本的部分也能夠把它放大因為我們看到西班牙他有辦法全國大停電未來台灣如果又全國大停電那這樣子影響的不管先不管說產業上受到的衝擊那其實在民眾在交通上面的疏散跟安全就已經是一大挑戰那我們反反未然也希望說部長這邊能夠整成相關單位來做更完善的演練好沒問題謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.686 --> 00:21.875\n謝謝趙偉還有請部長好我們交通部陳部長那也有請一下台鐵公司代理董事長吳代董事長\n\n00:28.300 --> 00:47.252\n其實在南投在上次這個交通委員會還有我們的考察其實許多事情其實還是也感謝交通部對於南投的幫忙那很多事項的話也都有逐一的來協助落實跟包括經費的提供也算是對交通部表達感謝\n\n00:48.172 --> 01:07.620\n那在特別請就是代理董事長的時候其實也就是要在追蹤就是上一次有在會議上有提到在積極支線就是在目前預計可以完工的時間期程那時候有提到希望能夠加快\n\n01:08.160 --> 01:24.338\n在今年年底還能夠到車程的部分能夠來做完工那時候在評估是有這個機會那我想請教一下那目前上次提出到現在時隔一個月那這個演繹的進度如何謝謝\n\n01:25.579 --> 01:39.190\n跟委員報告這確實回去有再找台鐵同仁再了解現在看起來還是有它的困難度不過我想我們會再努力我們就幾個環節再去看看可不可以再縮短一點\n\n01:39.807 --> 01:56.853\n好那盡可能來協助完整那總是希望能夠在就是今年年底明年南投燈會到時候在開始的時候那大家來南投還可以剛好重新再來振興這個我們集集支線這條觀光路線的景氣是好謝謝\n\n02:00.543 --> 02:15.856\n那接著就叫部長就是目前來講這個川普的貿易戰的這個部分啊那對於我們南投縣還受影響的企業家數我從縣府也調資料在1150家相關這262家都是受到衝擊\n\n02:21.641 --> 02:43.859\n那目前來講交通部也在25號有開了產業座談因應關稅的一個會議啊那會議中的結論跟訴求我這邊也都有看到但是目前來講在美國對關稅直接充其是在生產端跟消費端在運輸則是在兩者之間最重要的一個支撐角色那本行要救救那在目前\n\n02:44.580 --> 03:04.797\n行政院所規劃的4100億它並沒有直接支援在這些運輸或是在這個直接在廠家的部分那這樣子要怎麼樣來去改善或是報告委員目前我們有觀察整體的運量不管是海運或者是空運受到的影響到目前為止看起來並不大\n\n03:05.598 --> 03:30.382\n那未來或許會受到比較大的影響那以過去的經驗其實我們對於航空業者或者是說航運業者船運業者的部分他們自己也會去做一些調控那目前我們跟他們座談的過程當中他們所提出的需求是希望我們可以增加一些彈性例如說他要調整航班的時候我們盡量快速的配合他或者他調整航程的時候我們盡量快速配合他\n\n03:30.802 --> 03:44.310\n那這個部分我們密切跟他們做聯繫如果真的有需要的時候我們會再提出其他的方案沒關係那到時候方案再跟本席跟本委員會再提供那同樣的就在於這個將近在\n\n03:46.591 --> 04:02.808\n七月底即將到期到週談判的一個結果那所以說現在在許多業界尤其在我們南投縣許多受影響的企業家就擔心到時候六月中到七月初會爆發這個擠蛋潮那目前來請教一下部內或杭真實這邊預計要怎麼解決這個擠蛋潮\n\n04:06.131 --> 04:24.399\n報告委員我們航港局其實有一個因應對策的會議包含這個平穩的機制其實我們也都有在開會我們持續在開會所以如果真的有急單來的時候我們去調配拜託國籍的航商可以幫忙去調配船艙的部分提供艙位的部分這個我們會來協調\n\n04:25.880 --> 04:48.518\n這個那目前已經事前溝通嗎還是預計會去這麼溝通我們目前都持續在做溝通那會議也持續固定有在開但是目前變化還沒來等變化來的時候就會很積極的趕快去處理本席要表示說其實防範未然其實這個很明顯的可以預期說到時候時間點到的時候其實現在許多產業跟企業他們本身就已經心急如焚\n\n04:49.238 --> 05:17.839\n那所以說到時候這個吉丹草如果一來的時候提早做好因應有報告委員我們5月6號航港局就會來召開會議這個部分我們會及早因應好謝謝那再來就是在昨天的話我們大家都知道這個西班牙大停電那這個電網的部分不管是極端氣候還是說找不出原因但是在目前台灣很明顯的就要遇到5月17號河山廠第二基礎就要停役了那就直接就交部長\n\n05:18.399 --> 05:43.079\n那如果發生這種大停電的情況之下那在台鐵的部分的運輸上是否有任何的備援方案包括我們的台鐵的廠站他都有備援方案也會有發電機也有不斷電系統尤其是在這個行控系統一定要做到不斷電所以不斷電系統都有好那這個不斷電系統的話大概電力可以維持幾小時4個小時吧所以4個小時之後的話就沒電\n\n05:44.173 --> 06:00.897\n我們還有發電機,我們先讓他不斷電,先維持至少4個小時,但是4個小時之內我們應該很快速就會啟動發電機那過去的話,對於這樣子的一個如果大停電的一個情況之下,有做過任何的一個形式的演練嗎?我們最近3月提案也有\n\n06:03.173 --> 06:16.422\n我們每季都會有提案演習所以我們最近在三月份一到三月就有做過一次提案演習那這個演習的話是針對就是停電的一個情況沒有停電的部分我們會在後續的\n\n06:17.662 --> 06:34.438\n這個鐵岸演習裡面也把這個腳本劇本把他納進去對因為其實我們看到西班牙會發生這個情況那同樣的那本席要直接再質問就是那在河山停役之後的話目前對於台鐵的這個供電來講有受到什麼樣的衝擊嗎\n\n06:36.608 --> 07:01.529\n報告委員這個河山廠它是影響的是整體的供電的量跟台鐵沒有直接的關係目前我們看到台鐵那邊的備載容量其實每一天都至少有百分之十幾以上所以看起來供電的狀況還可以而且我所瞭解河山廠目前的供電量佔整體的供電量很像比例沒有很高所以台鐵那邊應該是全國整體供電的風險\n\n07:04.972 --> 07:33.086\n就是全國整體供電的一個情況所以說這個部分來講同樣的也創造了因為像西班牙這樣子無預警的電網失衡那其實就有可能會讓任何突發狀況有可能發生的時候那如果像現在來講的話台鐵的話在電力的話它的變電力是4個小時那像這樣子的話耗製的部分或是閘門閘道的部分也同樣就是在4個小時內有這樣子的一個供電措施嗎\n\n07:34.022 --> 07:58.798\n對我們不斷電的鋪設都是這個樣子廠站的部分那如果說就是說這樣子換一個角度講的話就是目前來講假如遇到大停電或是天災人禍台鐵還能夠營運的話就大致上除了發電機之外就只剩下四個小時嘛正常的話廠站的部分啦如果以路線來講的話以路線來講如果真的整體停電路線上沒有電當然車子無法運行\n\n07:59.506 --> 08:17.518\n那疏散過去也有多久演練一次疏散這種方案疏散是不是三個月你們都會每一季都有演練那是以單點還是區域還是整體全國你看腳本我們也有以場戰為主然後也有配合震災或是風災區域的一個聯合演練都會\n\n08:18.038 --> 08:37.478\n好那沒關係那防範未然啦因為時間有限那因為如果說發生大停跌或是天災人禍的時候那全國的交通運輸還是要由部長這邊來去主政那如果說以四個小時的一個備援電力來講的話那後面用發電機如果沒有電的情況之下那等於是一個鐵路系統就已經是癱瘓了\n\n08:38.459 --> 08:58.192\n那這樣子的話不管是在天災或是戰時的話那其實在交通上以及人員的疏散上其實就是一個很大的挑戰那同樣的是在各種的一個演習演練那他目前來講以前所沿用的演練計畫相信都是比較區塊的但是本席還是希望在這個集會討論之後能夠把\n\n09:00.273 --> 09:28.333\n各種的演練的可能性或是包括在劇本腳本的部分也能夠把它放大因為我們看到西班牙他有辦法全國大停電未來台灣如果又全國大停電那這樣子影響的不管先不管說產業上受到的衝擊那其實在民眾在交通上面的疏散跟安全就已經是一大挑戰那我們反反未然也希望說部長這邊能夠整成相關單位來做更完善的演練好沒問題謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":9.686,"end":21.875,"text":"謝謝趙偉 還有請部長好 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