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00:02:27,680\n那現在我要求的是你跟LINE公司喝完咖啡聊過了之後第一個你獲得的承諾是他們要變更版本那我們台灣國人如果有人LINE的帳號被冒用的話他現在可以用更新版即時的來更新他的帳號是沒錯好沒錯好第二個LINE跟我們講\n\n8\n00:02:32,142 --> 00:02:59,779\n即使跟現在說那原來被冒用的那個LINE的帳號LINE從他自己本身那邊就馬上取消嗎馬上鎖掉嗎是LINE跟我們解釋的事情是這樣假設我今天是被我的LINE帳號被人家騙走了那詐騙集團在另外一台手機上去登入他把我的搶走了但是我在原來這台手機上我再登入一次以後我就可以馬上把那個LINE的帳號再搶回來\n\n9\n00:03:00,475 --> 00:03:29,106\n同時喔同步嗎確定技術上是這樣子喔他們是這樣跟我們講的他們是這樣跟你講的喔但是你是數位發展部你有你的專業啊你要告訴國人說第一個LINE講的對不對能不能做到那我們國人等於是速發部要告訴國人以後如果你的LINE帳號被冒用了被盜了那應該怎麼樣SOP緊急處理那以防他身邊周遭的人被詐騙啊\n\n10\n00:03:30,086 --> 00:03:51,306\n是那現在依照我們得到訊息第一個就是要呼籲所有的民眾盡快更新你的LINE版本更新到最新的版最新的版本就有這個功能依照LINE的講法就是說現在這個新的版本有這個功能我們可以馬上把這個LINE帳號搶回來那這個事情我們會做驗證是不是如同他們所說的已經驗證\n\n11\n00:03:53,368 --> 00:03:56,930\n你已經驗證過了,部長已經驗證過了,所以部長驗證說LINE的這個說法而且這個做法是可行的,而且是可以及時阻止詐騙對,我自己有兩個手機驗證過你驗證過了齁?好,我們等著看齁,我不希望國人第一個,還繼續告訴我們他的LINE帳號被盜了,結果遭到很多被詐騙的\n\n12\n00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:32,266\n對,這個新的功能我有看一下,確實是你可以把...那我希望速發部可以大力的宣傳,告知國人,這個SOP如何主詐,好不好那第二個,我為什麼會提到這個,今天很多委員都在講假訊息,講詐騙\n\n13\n00:04:34,813 --> 00:04:45,112\n根據去年這個是去年你們的新聞這個台灣網路的報告也是我們自己的網路資訊中心所公布的2024\n\n14\n00:04:49,559 --> 00:04:57,022\n78.82%的社群媒體使用者認為平台充斥的假新聞跟不實訊息那在即時通訊裡面有63.25%那在傳統的媒體裡面比例為59.81%那在這個民調裡面台灣國人接受訪問者有過半以上51.2%以上的受訪者是不信任政府有能力應對網路攻擊\n\n15\n00:05:15,809 --> 00:05:41,578\n這是一個數位治理的信任危機喔部長你有看過這份報告嗎這份報告你沒看過對不對部長你該看看我還要進一步問你原來你不知道這份報告這個呢是去年的報告去年的11月底公布的一個報告那去年11月底離現在又已經快過半年了部長你認為\n\n16\n00:05:44,008 --> 00:06:07,083\n你認為國人有比較相信你了嗎有比較信任數位發展部了嗎我們繼續努力啦那當然我們有很多時候需要跟群眾多溝通那這一這半年來我們的確在各方面有在不管是經過就是說經過新聞經過一些我們的努力希望民眾看到讓我們在數位治理能夠讓民眾相信\n\n17\n00:06:07,743 --> 00:06:22,295\n第一個你自己還沒有看過這份報告所以你也不知道原來國人是怎麼的不信任你第二個我們要如何積極的作為取回國人的信任尤其在這份報告裡面我們將近65%的國人在這個民調出來之前的三個月內就接受過詐騙訊息\n\n18\n00:06:32,322 --> 00:06:48,392\n我認為這個數據當然是參考但是部長你必須去認真的面對這些數據為什麼是我們對數位發展部的一個數位治理的信任危機那我們數位發展部又如何來迎回國人\n\n19\n00:06:49,512 --> 00:07:14,346\n對你們的信任嘛所以剛剛委員講就是說其實這裡面很多的觀點是從詐騙那詐騙確實我們在尤其是今年之後確實看到尤其是在網路平台上的詐騙有大量減少大概減少了百分之八九十所以慢慢民眾也感覺到就是說在臉書在一些平台上看到假冒名人廣告或假投資廣告有在減少但是當然我們還需要繼續努力不過\n\n20\n00:07:15,186 --> 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