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00:02:21,150\n我們到目前為止我們這個成效應該算是相當不錯的我們收到的通報量跟下架量可不可以慢慢說通報量目前是19萬那我們下架量是10萬那不好意思我想再確認那什麼時候正式版的會推出這個其實已經是就是公測版其實已經是正式的所以這公測版就是正式的只是我們保留一些如果還有bug的話我們還要再來修改這樣\n\n7\n00:02:21,946 --> 00:02:32,270\nOK了解那本席上次也有提到就是希望可以提高民眾的使用率嘛那也有說要不要加入獎勵機制那後面速發部有再回去討論嗎獎勵機制嗎再討論一下\n\n8\n00:02:36,181 --> 00:02:56,010\n有我們現在後續可能有在研議怎麼去把這個東西推廣下去例如說我們如果後續有一些到民眾去啊到像有一些熱領的一些社區看看怎麼去推廣去下載這些東西OK好謝謝那本席請再請NCC陳代主委陳代主委不好意思黃部長也先請留步謝謝來部長部長是主委早\n\n9\n00:03:05,359 --> 00:03:32,603\n隨著科技發展那現在手機和無線網路嘛一定是民眾生活中不可缺的工具不管是線上購物然後還是看新聞投資理財點外送全部都是仰賴手機還有無線網路那本席瞭解速發部在111年8月之前電信業務是由NCC獨立負責的沒有錯吧是的沒錯是那我們看到速發部成立之後才把部分的電信從NCC轉移過去那現在是速發部在主管是正確嗎\n\n10\n00:03:33,933 --> 00:03:38,501\n蘇發部在管平利資源跟產業輔導獎勵產業輔導獎勵因為本席為了要釐清業務的歸索那當時電信業務他一分為二的目的是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:46,693 --> 00:04:05,027\n就是因為NCC本身是個監理機關在通訊傳播基本法第三條第一項跟第二項分別有規劃出它基本的年輕的原則就是監理部分通常會做獨立的監理至於頻率有限資源還有產業輔導本來頻率的\n\n12\n00:04:13,410 --> 00:04:31,074\n電信管理法電信業的主管機關是NCC剛剛主委您有提到那電信評估的規劃分配還有核定是誰負責的現在因為在數位部成立之後行政院有公告那一塊是數位部那電信門號的回收還有分配呢\n\n13\n00:04:32,577 --> 00:04:54,846\n也是數位部也是速發部那收取固定還有行動通訊的頻率然後電信號碼的使用費用是誰在收應該也是數位部也是數位部啊不是NCC在收嗎電信號碼也是電信資源所以他電信資源整塊的分配管理都是在那邊那這樣的權責分配兩位認為合理嗎\n\n14\n00:05:00,460 --> 00:05:17,857\n應該是說在政府間的合作上有些是基於這個出發點是因為當初是獨立監理是要一個機關我們看到5G是先由速發部來核定頻率接著再由NCC就是通傳會來審慮它的營運計畫還有網路建設的計畫那這樣是流程是這樣子沒有錯吧\n\n15\n00:05:22,898 --> 00:05:46,752\n大致是這樣沒錯大致是這樣那是不是這樣我也不需要確認了平面的拍賣是數位部然後拍賣拍賣取得這中取得特許執照的過程裡頭NCC的角色是那行動寬頻專用電信網路設置的使用管理辦法他主管機關是誰數位部現在又變成數位部那數位部他具體審核哪些項目我們是我請產業署署長來說\n\n16\n00:05:49,568 --> 00:06:18,880\n就是它4.8到4.9Ghz那一塊的專用它是為促進產業發展垂直應用的那一塊那4.8、4.9這一塊是由樹山署這邊來召開委員會來審查所以就是可能場地主有需要的話他就來申請那我們這邊召開委員會審查的時候通過就核發那個評估使用也是將來的主導是因為建設計畫是在通常會來審嗎那審查的標準的方式是什麼你們兩邊怎麼來做協調我們會有兩個部位的共同的一個審查的一個機制\n\n17\n00:06:21,706 --> 00:06:45,283\n這樣子看下來真的有點匪夷所思就是什麼情況現在母法是在NCC可是執法一大堆都是丟在數位部各位補充一下母法本身也有分工那個清真有公告第幾條第幾條是數位部第幾條第幾條是NCC所以你認為現在目前的分工合理嗎就沒有問題嗎民眾不會搞不清楚嗎業者會認為說他會比較累一點他會比較累一點那你們有沒有想過要再去做調整\n\n18\n00:06:47,277 --> 00:07:02,542\n還是業者累沒關係不要累到你們就好民眾的福利能夠保持住比較重要民眾什麼福利啊我們都知道真的主委你這個說法我其實如果今天我們沒有這樣子一一的攤開來看我相信很多民眾也都不知道都是因為我們兩個部位合作的合作無間所以對民眾連他相對不知道但是他感覺上跟你們合作無間你確定嗎\n\n19\n00:07:16,246 --> 00:07:44,222\n總是會有討論啦總是會有討論那我覺得我是覺得你們還是要再回去再研議啦因為目前的這樣分工看起來這樣一刀兩切亂七八糟的可以主委請再跟部長我們回去再做討論好嗎這個是行政院級的議題我們會再討論所以行政院說了算嗎你們覺得這樣子這樣子也沒關係嗎因為現在的層次是行政院的職權OK好謝謝主席好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n749\t27240\t好 謝謝主席 主席請速發部黃部長好 黃部長好 邱委員好部長好 部長北溪上週在質詢有關打炸APP的時候就已經有發現了所以今天北溪要再確認一次這個APP到現在是不是還是在公測的階段現在還是在公測的階段現在還是在公測的階段 那我想要請問什麼時候正式版才會推出請署長回答\n30782\t42963\t我們有設定一個下載數以及通報數下載數因為上次您有提到嘛去年上架後來又下架今年四月再次上架那為什麼到目前還是公測版的\n45838\t68553\t謝謝委員那個基本上是坦白講是因為我們這個APP那個第一次公測的時候那個反應非常好就使用的人數太大太多結果造成我們那個各部會要做會議因為本席有印象上次提到在安卓平台的下載數他大概約為五千人那部長也有提到是在LOS平台上面約萬人下載嗎\n69794\t88089\tOK 所以因為人數太多的關係嗎我們要確定我們的系統承載的了不是硬體的系統承載的了而是說因為有些我們現在是大部分是用自動化的方式來處理但是還是有少部分需要各部會去做確認那我們是擔心說造成各部會太大\n88829\t108274\t短時間之間我們要確定說都能順利的如果看到這個APP上面 譬如說他們在Meta上面發現有詐騙廣告然後會藉由這個APP來回報那你們還要跟警管會再來確認沒有錯吧然後才能認定他到底是不是詐騙那我想請問這樣子全國性的政策打造工具還停留在測試測試的階段這樣推得動嗎那個\n112281\t141150\t我們到目前為止我們這個成效應該算是相當不錯的我們收到的通報量跟下架量可不可以慢慢說通報量目前是19萬那我們下架量是10萬那不好意思我想再確認那什麼時候正式版的會推出這個其實已經是就是公測版其實已經是正式的所以這公測版就是正式的只是我們保留一些如果還有bug的話我們還要再來修改這樣\n141946\t152270\tOK 了解那本席上次也有提到就是希望可以提高民眾的使用率嘛那也有說要不要加入獎勵機制那後面速發部有再回去討論嗎獎勵機制嗎再討論一下\n156181\t176010\t有 我們現在後續可能有在研議怎麼去把這個東西推廣下去例如說我們如果後續有一些到民眾去啊 到像有一些熱領的一些社區看看怎麼去推廣去下載這些東西OK 好 謝謝那本席請再請NCC陳代主委陳代主委不好意思 黃部長也先請留步 謝謝來 部長 部長是 主委早\n185359\t212603\t隨著科技發展那現在手機和無線網路嘛一定是民眾生活中不可缺的工具不管是線上購物然後還是看新聞投資理財點外送全部都是仰賴手機還有無線網路那本席瞭解速發部在111年8月之前電信業務是由NCC獨立負責的沒有錯吧是的沒錯是那我們看到速發部成立之後才把部分的電信從NCC轉移過去那現在是速發部在主管是正確嗎\n213933\t218501\t蘇發部在管平利資源跟產業輔導獎勵產業輔導獎勵因為本席為了要釐清業務的歸索那當時電信業務他一分為二的目的是什麼\n226693\t245027\t就是因為NCC本身是個監理機關在通訊傳播基本法第三條第一項跟第二項分別有規劃出它基本的年輕的原則就是監理部分通常會做獨立的監理至於頻率有限資源還有產業輔導本來頻率的\n253410\t271074\t電信管理法電信業的主管機關是NCC剛剛主委您有提到那電信評估的規劃分配還有核定是誰負責的現在因為在數位部成立之後行政院有公告那一塊是數位部那電信門號的回收還有分配呢\n272577\t294846\t也是數位部也是速發部那收取固定還有行動通訊的頻率然後電信號碼的使用費用是誰在收應該也是數位部也是數位部啊不是NCC在收嗎電信號碼也是電信資源所以他電信資源整塊的分配管理都是在那邊那這樣的權責分配兩位認為合理嗎\n300460\t317857\t應該是說在政府間的合作上有些是基於這個出發點是因為當初是獨立監理是要一個機關我們看到5G是先由速發部來核定頻率接著再由NCC就是通傳會來審慮它的營運計畫還有網路建設的計畫那這樣是流程是這樣子沒有錯吧\n322898\t346752\t大致是這樣沒錯大致是這樣那是不是這樣我也不需要確認了平面的拍賣是數位部然後拍賣拍賣取得這中取得特許執照的過程裡頭NCC的角色是那行動寬頻專用電信網路設置的使用管理辦法他主管機關是誰數位部現在又變成數位部那數位部他具體審核哪些項目我們是我請產業署署長來說\n349568\t378880\t就是它4.8到4.9Ghz那一塊的專用它是為促進產業發展 垂直應用的那一塊那4.8、4.9這一塊是由樹山署這邊來召開委員會來審查所以就是可能場地主有需要的話他就來申請那我們這邊召開委員會審查的時候通過就核發那個評估使用也是將來的主導是因為建設計畫是在通常會來審嗎那審查的標準的方式是什麼你們兩邊怎麼來做協調我們會有兩個部位的共同的一個審查的一個機制\n381706\t405283\t這樣子看下來真的有點匪夷所思就是什麼情況現在母法是在NCC可是執法一大堆都是丟在數位部各位補充一下母法本身也有分工那個清真有公告第幾條 第幾條是數位部 第幾條 第幾條是NCC所以你認為現在目前的分工合理嗎就沒有問題嗎民眾不會搞不清楚嗎業者會認為說他會比較累一點他會比較累一點那你們有沒有想過要再去做調整\n407277\t422542\t還是業者累沒關係不要累到你們就好民眾的福利能夠保持住比較重要民眾什麼福利啊我們都知道真的主委你這個說法我其實如果今天我們沒有這樣子一一的攤開來看我相信很多民眾也都不知道都是因為我們兩個部位合作的合作無間所以對民眾連他相對不知道但是他感覺上跟你們合作無間你確定嗎\n436246\t464222\t總是會有討論啦總是會有討論那我覺得我是覺得你們還是要再回去再研議啦因為目前的這樣分工看起來這樣一刀兩切亂七八糟的可以主委請再跟部長我們回去再做討論好嗎這個是行政院級的議題我們會再討論所以行政院說了算嗎你們覺得這樣子這樣子也沒關係嗎因為現在的層次是行政院的職權OK好謝謝主席好\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 主席請速發部黃部長好 黃部長好 邱委員好部長好 部長北溪上週在質詢有關打炸APP的時候就已經有發現了所以今天北溪要再確認一次這個APP到現在是不是還是在公測的階段現在還是在公測的階段現在還是在公測的階段 那我想要請問什麼時候正式版才會推出請署長回答\n我們有設定一個下載數以及通報數下載數因為上次您有提到嘛去年上架後來又下架今年四月再次上架那為什麼到目前還是公測版的\n謝謝委員那個基本上是坦白講是因為我們這個APP那個第一次公測的時候那個反應非常好就使用的人數太大太多結果造成我們那個各部會要做會議因為本席有印象上次提到在安卓平台的下載數他大概約為五千人那部長也有提到是在LOS平台上面約萬人下載嗎\nOK 所以因為人數太多的關係嗎我們要確定我們的系統承載的了不是硬體的系統承載的了而是說因為有些我們現在是大部分是用自動化的方式來處理但是還是有少部分需要各部會去做確認那我們是擔心說造成各部會太大\n短時間之間我們要確定說都能順利的如果看到這個APP上面 譬如說他們在Meta上面發現有詐騙廣告然後會藉由這個APP來回報那你們還要跟警管會再來確認沒有錯吧然後才能認定他到底是不是詐騙那我想請問這樣子全國性的政策打造工具還停留在測試測試的階段這樣推得動嗎那個\n我們到目前為止我們這個成效應該算是相當不錯的我們收到的通報量跟下架量可不可以慢慢說通報量目前是19萬那我們下架量是10萬那不好意思我想再確認那什麼時候正式版的會推出這個其實已經是就是公測版其實已經是正式的所以這公測版就是正式的只是我們保留一些如果還有bug的話我們還要再來修改這樣\nOK 了解那本席上次也有提到就是希望可以提高民眾的使用率嘛那也有說要不要加入獎勵機制那後面速發部有再回去討論嗎獎勵機制嗎再討論一下\n有 我們現在後續可能有在研議怎麼去把這個東西推廣下去例如說我們如果後續有一些到民眾去啊 到像有一些熱領的一些社區看看怎麼去推廣去下載這些東西OK 好 謝謝那本席請再請NCC陳代主委陳代主委不好意思 黃部長也先請留步 謝謝來 部長 部長是 主委早\n隨著科技發展那現在手機和無線網路嘛一定是民眾生活中不可缺的工具不管是線上購物然後還是看新聞投資理財點外送全部都是仰賴手機還有無線網路那本席瞭解速發部在111年8月之前電信業務是由NCC獨立負責的沒有錯吧是的沒錯是那我們看到速發部成立之後才把部分的電信從NCC轉移過去那現在是速發部在主管是正確嗎\n蘇發部在管平利資源跟產業輔導獎勵產業輔導獎勵因為本席為了要釐清業務的歸索那當時電信業務他一分為二的目的是什麼\n就是因為NCC本身是個監理機關在通訊傳播基本法第三條第一項跟第二項分別有規劃出它基本的年輕的原則就是監理部分通常會做獨立的監理至於頻率有限資源還有產業輔導本來頻率的\n電信管理法電信業的主管機關是NCC剛剛主委您有提到那電信評估的規劃分配還有核定是誰負責的現在因為在數位部成立之後行政院有公告那一塊是數位部那電信門號的回收還有分配呢\n也是數位部也是速發部那收取固定還有行動通訊的頻率然後電信號碼的使用費用是誰在收應該也是數位部也是數位部啊不是NCC在收嗎電信號碼也是電信資源所以他電信資源整塊的分配管理都是在那邊那這樣的權責分配兩位認為合理嗎\n應該是說在政府間的合作上有些是基於這個出發點是因為當初是獨立監理是要一個機關我們看到5G是先由速發部來核定頻率接著再由NCC就是通傳會來審慮它的營運計畫還有網路建設的計畫那這樣是流程是這樣子沒有錯吧\n大致是這樣沒錯大致是這樣那是不是這樣我也不需要確認了平面的拍賣是數位部然後拍賣拍賣取得這中取得特許執照的過程裡頭NCC的角色是那行動寬頻專用電信網路設置的使用管理辦法他主管機關是誰數位部現在又變成數位部那數位部他具體審核哪些項目我們是我請產業署署長來說\n就是它4.8到4.9Ghz那一塊的專用它是為促進產業發展 垂直應用的那一塊那4.8、4.9這一塊是由樹山署這邊來召開委員會來審查所以就是可能場地主有需要的話他就來申請那我們這邊召開委員會審查的時候通過就核發那個評估使用也是將來的主導是因為建設計畫是在通常會來審嗎那審查的標準的方式是什麼你們兩邊怎麼來做協調我們會有兩個部位的共同的一個審查的一個機制\n這樣子看下來真的有點匪夷所思就是什麼情況現在母法是在NCC可是執法一大堆都是丟在數位部各位補充一下母法本身也有分工那個清真有公告第幾條 第幾條是數位部 第幾條 第幾條是NCC所以你認為現在目前的分工合理嗎就沒有問題嗎民眾不會搞不清楚嗎業者會認為說他會比較累一點他會比較累一點那你們有沒有想過要再去做調整\n還是業者累沒關係不要累到你們就好民眾的福利能夠保持住比較重要民眾什麼福利啊我們都知道真的主委你這個說法我其實如果今天我們沒有這樣子一一的攤開來看我相信很多民眾也都不知道都是因為我們兩個部位合作的合作無間所以對民眾連他相對不知道但是他感覺上跟你們合作無間你確定嗎\n總是會有討論啦總是會有討論那我覺得我是覺得你們還是要再回去再研議啦因為目前的這樣分工看起來這樣一刀兩切亂七八糟的可以主委請再跟部長我們回去再做討論好嗎這個是行政院級的議題我們會再討論所以行政院說了算嗎你們覺得這樣子這樣子也沒關係嗎因為現在的層次是行政院的職權OK好謝謝主席好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.749 --> 00:27.240\n好謝謝主席主席請速發部黃部長好黃部長好邱委員好部長好部長北溪上週在質詢有關打炸APP的時候就已經有發現了所以今天北溪要再確認一次這個APP到現在是不是還是在公測的階段現在還是在公測的階段現在還是在公測的階段那我想要請問什麼時候正式版才會推出請署長回答\n\n00:30.782 --> 00:42.963\n我們有設定一個下載數以及通報數下載數因為上次您有提到嘛去年上架後來又下架今年四月再次上架那為什麼到目前還是公測版的\n\n00:45.838 --> 01:08.553\n謝謝委員那個基本上是坦白講是因為我們這個APP那個第一次公測的時候那個反應非常好就使用的人數太大太多結果造成我們那個各部會要做會議因為本席有印象上次提到在安卓平台的下載數他大概約為五千人那部長也有提到是在LOS平台上面約萬人下載嗎\n\n01:09.794 --> 01:28.089\nOK所以因為人數太多的關係嗎我們要確定我們的系統承載的了不是硬體的系統承載的了而是說因為有些我們現在是大部分是用自動化的方式來處理但是還是有少部分需要各部會去做確認那我們是擔心說造成各部會太大\n\n01:28.829 --> 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