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00:01:07,693\n那我想透過資訊的揭露給予雙方的一個合理溢價空間也保障了媒體從業人員今天的一個權益我想今天大家都非常的關切但是我要講的是去年10月14日台北市報業商業同業工會中華民國衛星廣播電視事業商業同業工會中市民視台視發表媒體共同的聲明希望盡速立法公平競爭今天文化部的報告也寫到\n\n4\n00:01:08,533 --> 00:01:20,188\n收集平面媒體業的一個立法意見報業及雜誌業均認為需要立法立法已經是共識了呼籲速發部應該盡速的提出版本\n\n5\n00:01:21,104 --> 00:01:38,780\n我要跟部長特別分享本席作為本屆國民黨第一位提出媒體溢價法的一個委員我想大家都知道現在Google跟Meta兩個大型的數位平台長期無償使用這樣子的新聞媒體台灣新聞媒體的廣告收入幾乎是大幅的下滑\n\n6\n00:01:39,801 --> 00:02:05,877\n那連帶影響媒體從業人員以及他們的收入今天是五一勞動節我們看到兩間大型的數位科技平台掌握了超過半數的媒體新聞流量成為了台灣主要的新的新聞來源卻不曾來付費我想我講了這麼多我們先不談剛剛我所聽到部長有提的國外的一些案例國外的一些法規就單純你聽我這樣論述你覺得公平嗎部長\n\n7\n00:02:09,099 --> 00:02:37,286\n那個鮑偉這個確實是一個問題那確實也是需要解決問題只是說這個因為從我們現在因為我們訂一個方案必須要有效那只是說這個目前是看起來我們原來認為的方案但目前看起來其實對我們媒體擔心是反效果有擔心當然也有期待那剛剛你有提到澳洲這個部分的案例但是你也要找找看有沒有其他各國有沒有成功的案例\n\n8\n00:02:38,326 --> 00:03:02,374\n我們希望說在這個部分上如果他沒有成功案例剛剛旁邊有人打pass說沒有成功案例但是沒關係我知道我有看到了沒有成功案例但是我要講的是在澳洲的部分有失敗的案例那可不可以將這失敗的案例我們來加以的去做一個調整成為台灣目前能夠有的新方案那成為一個成功模式我們也可以變成全球首創\n\n9\n00:03:03,314 --> 00:03:33,054\n那我還是希望說見請召委能夠則其的盡快逐條審查也拜託召委這麼的英明今天所排審這樣子的一個題目那我想新聞有價是社會共識社會期待剛剛也提到10月14日我們看到這樣子的這麼多媒體從業人員還有相關的不管是平面雜誌他們都發聲了新聞有價應該禁訴立法我想那難道這些聲音訴發部不知道還是訴發部就只是因為澳洲的案例所以現在不提版本\n\n10\n00:03:33,534 --> 00:03:59,773\n是這樣嗎我們都知道你們有版本嗎我們有跟媒體溝通好我相信那你們有版本嗎部長跟委員報告我們都相信媒體有價但是解決這個問題有三種解決方案第一個是法律第二個是商業第三個是用科技那目前我們從這個加拿大或者是澳洲或者是歐盟的這個案例來看的話\n\n11\n00:04:00,593 --> 00:04:19,388\n這些立法都沒有成功的案例事實上以那個加拿大來講的話他們通過他們的OnlineNewsAct以後那個Meta就把在加拿大把所有的那個媒體的新聞的連結通通移除掉了移除掉退出嘛我都知道所以我想說你剛剛說的法律\n\n12\n00:04:20,970 --> 00:04:38,347\n商業科技我們現在是著重在商業跟科技的方法我們來幫助這個媒體讓他收到如果你認為強制溢價是膽有那我們這一部法令也不一定要叫做你所說的溢價法\n\n13\n00:04:38,928 --> 00:04:55,544\n可以叫做說往這個科技商業的部分來做規範那我想叫什麼名字都不重要重要的是我們的台灣媒體的從業人員因為獲利增加讓我們所有的從業人員福利跟權益增加這是我們現在在重視的\n\n14\n00:04:56,525 --> 00:05:15,545\n那現在現階段速發部的報告有提到審慎考量目前國際的局勢目前國際的局勢不排除引發美國採關稅報復的一個風險我想你提出這樣子的報告我們不能批評因為你把風險寫上去嘛但是我們可以探討這樣子的一個部分我想問\n\n15\n00:05:16,940 --> 00:05:42,527\n我們先提啊速發部數位產業署副署長陳惠敏在2024年10月29日也曾經表示速發部非常贊成媒體溢價法的一個立法但幾個國家推動時也面臨了壓力國內若有共識速發部願意配合言猶在耳啊那當然今天所提到的美國關稅又是另外一個題目但是請問部長\n\n16\n00:05:44,628 --> 00:06:02,499\n現在台灣的媒體希望能夠有這樣子的議價法已經遭到美國關切了嗎還是你們只是單純評估風險因為我們還沒有立法所以現在美國還沒有表示他的態度但是從美國商會有表示態度但是也從目前澳洲跟加拿大被美國\n\n17\n00:06:03,559 --> 00:06:20,197\n這樣的一個反對我們也擔心台灣如果通過類似的法律一樣會得到美國的一些反對那現階段在關稅正在談判的一個時程當中我們都知道趙偉排了這一個題目那我覺得這是一個非常好談判關稅的一個談判條件\n\n18\n00:06:23,342 --> 00:06:39,627\n那你有沒有跟行政院甚至未來要準備已經在談判的過程當中把媒體溢價法也列入到我們跟美國談判的一個關鍵之一跟委員報告我們已經跟行政院的關稅談判的那個長官都已經報告過這件事情了\n\n19\n00:06:39,707 --> 00:07:06,243\n好對那所以嘛既然有機會成為談判條件之一我還是建議啊趙偉我們是首相跟委員報告我們不希望在這個時候因為這件事情變成這個關稅談判團隊的障礙你認為是障礙啦但昨天我想我們昨天有看到牛許廷委員喔在談在講這個行政院對談的時候啊有講這個美國關稅在談判的過程快不一定好\n\n20\n00:07:07,303 --> 00:07:29,413\n擬定雙方的需要就競爭型的一個談判還是要坐下來好好的談判我覺得這些項目都是談判的一個條件之一我覺得作為在野黨執政黨要去談判執政黨有所謂的包袱有所謂的壓力但在野黨我們也希望當執政黨的黑臉\n\n21\n00:07:30,833 --> 00:07:48,530\n讓執政黨在面對國際的壓力的時候也能夠把在野黨的聲音講出來作為執政黨談判的籌碼所以我還是建議啊趙偉這個應該還是要持續的推動我們走一步算一步成為我們現在中華民國談判的時候\n\n22\n00:07:49,791 --> 00:08:18,010\n也能夠一方面為了媒體而發聲一方面我們也能夠適時的作為談判條件說不定說不定到時候美國所給予的這樣相關的一個條件可能更好但現在我們不是強硬的是一定要過而是我們一邊走一邊把這些媒體的聲音把從業人員的一些困難一一的把它給探討更希望在逐條討論的時候有行政院的版本但我想部長我想跟你請問你個人認為啦\n\n23\n00:08:20,312 --> 00:08:30,602\n我們的步驟啊就媒體議價而言一定是先自由議價再來指派調解人再來強制仲裁你覺得這三個步驟哪一個步驟會成為美國關稅報復最大的一個風險\n\n24\n00:08:37,395 --> 00:09:00,631\n他們關切哪一個部分這三個條件當中當然整個法我知道跟委員報告主要是強制溢價還有強制仲裁這個部分美國有非常大的意見強制仲裁是第三嘛所以我想旁邊我們的長官也非常的專業他在討論這個部分但是自由溢價我們可以先看到如果自由溢價有這個機會\n\n25\n00:09:02,438 --> 00:09:29,138\n那在議價法當中我們是可以再加強自由議價以及調解的部分強制仲裁是可能被最為關切的部分在逐條審查的時候我們要不要把強制的部分納入或者是逐步的納入或者是部分的納入這個都可以再討論所以我們還是要了解什麼樣的關鍵的法會讓美國比較關切那現在看到自由議價跟這個所謂的調解\n\n26\n00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:48,205\n這個部分是沒有疑慮的所以我若不透過法律的程序來立法那媒體有什麼力量去做數位平台的談判所以溢價的機制要如何來進行這是我們現階段應該著重在前面兩個階段為媒體來發聲所以台灣媒體的產業不像國外若過度的謹慎\n\n27\n00:09:53,266 --> 00:10:19,296\n我們目前現在的局勢恐怕會具媒體的產業更加的劇烈困境所以也會進一步的弱化整個媒體的相關風險所以立法才是著重於媒體的著作權的一個保障那我想請問一下勞動部是請問次長喔勞動部是否認同透過媒體議價法的立法能改善記者薪資跟勞動環境\n\n28\n00:10:22,292 --> 00:10:39,228\n我們勞動部對於任何能夠提高包括記得朋友在來勞工朋友的薪資福利勞動條件我們都支持至於這一個法因為我們都尊重速發部他們的主管權責勞動部自己沒有立場嗎在於強制溢價的部分\n\n29\n00:10:40,595 --> 00:11:06,382\n因為議價這件事如果照團體協議法要有工會才能夠那我們台灣目前媒體新聞媒體業有成立工會的這個事業單位就我了解並不是多數所以可能我們要先鼓勵新聞媒體業他們的事業單位的勞工能夠成立工會你點出一個問題嘛那所以這部分不管最後議價法有沒有通過我覺得還是先鼓勵讓他們能夠成立嘛對不對加強這個部分的一個凝聚\n\n30\n00:11:06,542 --> 00:11:24,883\n我們勞動部一向都有一些鼓勵那個企業世界單位的勞工成立企業工會的一些補助跟協助輔導方案好那這個部分我們還是希望勞動部應該站在整個媒體從業人員的立場我相信媒體如果能夠多賺錢他一定會多分配資源那現在請問黃部長\n\n31\n00:11:26,525 --> 00:11:50,240\n台灣媒體溢價法的立法就數位平台而言Google有提出台灣新聞數位共融基金目前成效如何有辦法促進產業共融嗎有現在已經有40個Case然後一年一億現在第二年執行完畢所以你覺得有提升台灣新聞生態系的一個多元跟永續那個請那個署長可以署長請說\n\n32\n00:11:51,522 --> 00:12:17,828\n是我們目前認為這個應該對媒體是很有幫助另外它Google也有另外一個專案就是北極星的專案它這個是請國外的顧問就FinancialTimes來教導國內的媒體如何做新聞地面的一個營運模式新的營運模式來那這樣子台灣新聞產業長期受到數位廣告的營收外流等結構性的一個問題現在你說單一基金看起來有效但是整個單一基金可以解決根本問題嗎你覺得可以嗎\n\n33\n00:12:19,869 --> 00:12:38,246\n請問委員指的是哪一種的基金是媒體強制溢價得到的基金還是政府那是Google出錢的基金我剛剛講Google提出台灣新聞數位共榮基金你們說有效可是整個結構性的問題就單一個基金就可以解決嗎\n\n34\n00:12:39,119 --> 00:13:07,488\n我們認為說另外一個北極星計畫可能更有幫助因為現在媒體的困境是失去訂閱的收入然後因為那個FinancialTimes他們在訂閱制做得非常好所以他就跟那個Google合作然後經過我們那個速發部的促成他們現在在台灣幫各個新聞媒體做那個訂閱制的那個機制那這個費用都是由Google來促成所以我要講的是說單一基金不可能嘛我們還是要需要多元的計畫去整個促進整個根本問題嘛那LiveToday呢有提出什麼嗎\n\n35\n00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:30,767\n有跟媒體要什麼合作方案嗎LightToday目前他們本來就已經在付費了LightToday本來就是在付錢給媒體好他們現在就有在付費了所以還是有人願意做嘛所以我們要怎麼樣把這些商考模式都一一列出好好的去談成為我們這一次幫媒體發聲最主要的一個內容好不好好我們一起加油謝謝謝謝樓庭偉委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3109\t8822\t好 謝謝召委 有請黃部長好 蘇衛部黃部長勞動部理事長好 勞動部理事長\n14768\t39554\t部長好 市長好我想今天談到這個新聞媒體數位平台強制溢價法本席版本最重要的一個精神是建立平台的媒體就以付費議題進行充分協商的議題程序 溢價程序唯有達到最後雙方仍舊無法達成共識的時候才會啟動仲裁機制決定平台應負擔的付費金額健全目前失靈的一個市場機制\n40914\t67693\t那我想透過資訊的揭露給予雙方的一個合理溢價空間也保障了媒體從業人員今天的一個權益我想今天大家都非常的關切但是我要講的是去年10月14日台北市報業商業同業工會中華民國衛星廣播電視事業商業同業工會中市民視台視發表媒體共同的聲明希望盡速立法 公平競爭今天文化部的報告也寫到\n68533\t80188\t收集平面媒體業的一個立法意見報業及雜誌業均認為需要立法立法已經是共識了呼籲速發部應該盡速的提出版本\n81104\t98780\t我要跟部長特別分享本席作為本屆國民黨第一位提出媒體溢價法的一個委員我想大家都知道現在Google跟Meta兩個大型的數位平台長期無償使用這樣子的新聞媒體台灣新聞媒體的廣告收入幾乎是大幅的下滑\n99801\t125877\t那連帶影響媒體從業人員以及他們的收入今天是五一勞動節我們看到兩間大型的數位科技平台掌握了超過半數的媒體新聞流量成為了台灣主要的新的新聞來源卻不曾來付費我想我講了這麼多我們先不談剛剛我所聽到部長有提的國外的一些案例國外的一些法規就單純你聽我這樣論述你覺得公平嗎 部長\n129099\t157286\t那個鮑偉這個確實是一個問題那確實也是需要解決問題只是說這個因為從我們現在因為我們訂一個方案必須要有效那只是說這個目前是看起來我們原來認為的方案但目前看起來其實對我們媒體擔心是反效果有擔心當然也有期待那剛剛你有提到澳洲這個部分的案例但是你也要找找看有沒有其他各國有沒有成功的案例\n158326\t182374\t我們希望說在這個部分上如果他沒有成功案例剛剛旁邊有人打pass說沒有成功案例但是沒關係我知道我有看到了沒有成功案例但是我要講的是在澳洲的部分有失敗的案例那可不可以將這失敗的案例我們來加以的去做一個調整成為台灣目前能夠有的新方案那成為一個成功模式我們也可以變成全球首創\n183314\t213054\t那我還是希望說見請召委能夠則其的盡快逐條審查也拜託召委這麼的英明今天所排審這樣子的一個題目那我想新聞有價是社會共識社會期待剛剛也提到10月14日我們看到這樣子的這麼多媒體從業人員還有相關的不管是平面雜誌他們都發聲了新聞有價應該禁訴立法我想那難道這些聲音訴發部不知道還是訴發部就只是因為澳洲的案例所以現在不提版本\n213534\t239773\t是這樣嗎我們都知道你們有版本嗎我們有跟媒體溝通好我相信那你們有版本嗎部長跟委員報告我們都相信媒體有價但是解決這個問題有三種解決方案第一個是法律第二個是商業第三個是用科技那目前我們從這個加拿大或者是澳洲或者是歐盟的這個案例來看的話\n240593\t259388\t這些立法都沒有成功的案例事實上以那個加拿大來講的話他們通過他們的Online News Act以後那個Meta就把在加拿大把所有的那個媒體的新聞的連結通通移除掉了移除掉退出嘛我都知道所以我想說你剛剛說的法律\n260970\t278347\t商業 科技我們現在是著重在商業跟科技的方法我們來幫助這個媒體讓他收到如果你認為強制溢價是膽有那我們這一部法令也不一定要叫做你所說的溢價法\n278928\t295544\t可以叫做說往這個科技商業的部分來做規範那我想叫什麼名字都不重要重要的是我們的台灣媒體的從業人員因為獲利增加讓我們所有的從業人員福利跟權益增加這是我們現在在重視的\n296525\t315545\t那現在現階段速發部的報告有提到審慎考量目前國際的局勢目前國際的局勢不排除引發美國採關稅報復的一個風險我想你提出這樣子的報告我們不能批評因為你把風險寫上去嘛但是我們可以探討這樣子的一個部分我想問\n316940\t342527\t我們先提啊 速發部數位產業署副署長陳惠敏在2024年10月29日也曾經表示速發部非常贊成媒體溢價法的一個立法但幾個國家推動時也面臨了壓力國內若有共識 速發部願意配合言猶在耳啊那當然今天所提到的美國關稅又是另外一個題目但是請問部長\n344628\t362499\t現在台灣的媒體希望能夠有這樣子的議價法已經遭到美國關切了嗎還是你們只是單純評估風險因為我們還沒有立法所以現在美國還沒有表示他的態度但是從美國商會有表示態度但是也從目前澳洲跟加拿大被美國\n363559\t380197\t這樣的一個反對我們也擔心台灣如果通過類似的法律一樣會得到美國的一些反對那現階段在關稅正在談判的一個時程當中我們都知道 趙偉排了這一個題目那我覺得這是一個非常好談判關稅的一個談判條件\n383342\t399627\t那你有沒有跟行政院甚至未來要準備已經在談判的過程當中把媒體溢價法也列入到我們跟美國談判的一個關鍵之一跟委員報告我們已經跟行政院的關稅談判的那個長官都已經報告過這件事情了\n399707\t426243\t好 對 那所以嘛 既然有機會成為談判條件之一我還是建議啊 趙偉我們是 首相跟委員報告我們不希望在這個時候因為這件事情變成這個關稅談判團隊的障礙你認為是障礙啦 但昨天我想我們昨天有看到牛許廷委員喔在談 在講這個行政院對談的時候啊有講這個美國關稅在談判的過程快不一定好\n427303\t449413\t擬定雙方的需要就競爭型的一個談判還是要坐下來好好的談判我覺得這些項目都是談判的一個條件之一我覺得作為在野黨執政黨要去談判執政黨有所謂的包袱有所謂的壓力但在野黨我們也希望當執政黨的黑臉\n450833\t468530\t讓執政黨在面對國際的壓力的時候也能夠把在野黨的聲音講出來作為執政黨談判的籌碼所以我還是建議啊 趙偉這個應該還是要持續的推動我們走一步算一步成為我們現在中華民國談判的時候\n469791\t498010\t也能夠一方面為了媒體而發聲一方面我們也能夠適時的作為談判條件說不定說不定到時候美國所給予的這樣相關的一個條件可能更好但現在我們不是強硬的是一定要過而是我們一邊走一邊把這些媒體的聲音把從業人員的一些困難一一的把它給探討更希望在逐條討論的時候有行政院的版本但我想部長我想跟你請問你個人認為啦\n500312\t510602\t我們的步驟啊就媒體議價而言一定是先自由議價再來指派調解人再來強制仲裁你覺得這三個步驟哪一個步驟會成為美國關稅報復最大的一個風險\n517395\t540631\t他們關切哪一個部分這三個條件當中當然整個法我知道跟委員報告主要是強制溢價還有強制仲裁這個部分美國有非常大的意見強制仲裁是第三嘛所以我想旁邊我們的長官也非常的專業他在討論這個部分但是自由溢價我們可以先看到如果自由溢價有這個機會\n542438\t569138\t那在議價法當中我們是可以再加強自由議價以及調解的部分強制仲裁是可能被最為關切的部分在逐條審查的時候我們要不要把強制的部分納入或者是逐步的納入或者是部分的納入這個都可以再討論所以我們還是要了解什麼樣的關鍵的法會讓美國比較關切那現在看到自由議價跟這個所謂的調解\n572240\t588205\t這個部分是沒有疑慮的所以我若不透過法律的程序來立法那媒體有什麼力量去做數位平台的談判所以溢價的機制要如何來進行這是我們現階段應該著重在前面兩個階段為媒體來發聲所以台灣媒體的產業不像國外若過度的謹慎\n593266\t619296\t我們目前現在的局勢恐怕會具媒體的產業更加的劇烈困境所以也會進一步的弱化整個媒體的相關風險所以立法才是著重於媒體的著作權的一個保障那我想請問一下勞動部是請問次長喔勞動部是否認同透過媒體議價法的立法能改善記者薪資跟勞動環境\n622292\t639228\t我們勞動部對於任何能夠提高包括記得朋友在來勞工朋友的薪資福利勞動條件我們都支持至於這一個法因為我們都尊重速發部他們的主管權責勞動部自己沒有立場嗎在於強制溢價的部分\n640595\t666382\t因為議價這件事如果照團體協議法要有工會才能夠那我們台灣目前媒體新聞媒體業有成立工會的這個事業單位就我了解並不是多數所以可能我們要先鼓勵新聞媒體業他們的事業單位的勞工能夠成立工會你點出一個問題嘛那所以這部分不管最後議價法有沒有通過我覺得還是先鼓勵讓他們能夠成立嘛對不對加強這個部分的一個凝聚\n666542\t684883\t我們勞動部一向都有一些鼓勵那個企業世界單位的勞工成立企業工會的一些補助跟協助輔導方案好那這個部分我們還是希望勞動部應該站在整個媒體從業人員的立場我相信媒體如果能夠多賺錢他一定會多分配資源那現在請問黃部長\n686525\t710240\t台灣媒體溢價法的立法就數位平台而言Google有提出台灣新聞數位共融基金目前成效如何有辦法促進產業共融嗎有現在已經有40個Case然後一年一億現在第二年執行完畢所以你覺得有提升台灣新聞生態系的一個多元跟永續那個請那個署長可以署長請說\n711522\t737828\t是 我們目前認為這個應該對媒體是很有幫助另外它Google也有另外一個專案就是北極星的專案它這個是請國外的顧問就Financial Times來教導國內的媒體如何做新聞地面的一個營運模式新的營運模式來 那這樣子台灣新聞產業長期受到數位廣告的營收外流等結構性的一個問題現在你說單一基金看起來有效但是整個單一基金可以解決根本問題嗎你覺得可以嗎\n739869\t758246\t請問委員指的是哪一種的基金是媒體強制溢價得到的基金還是政府那是Google出錢的基金我剛剛講Google提出台灣新聞數位共榮基金你們說有效可是整個結構性的問題就單一個基金就可以解決嗎\n759119\t787488\t我們認為說另外一個北極星計畫可能更有幫助因為現在媒體的困境是失去訂閱的收入然後因為那個Financial Times他們在訂閱制做得非常好所以他就跟那個Google合作然後經過我們那個速發部的促成他們現在在台灣幫各個新聞媒體做那個訂閱制的那個機制那這個費用都是由Google來促成所以我要講的是說單一基金不可能嘛我們還是要需要多元的計畫去整個促進整個根本問題嘛那Live Today呢有提出什麼嗎\n788700\t810767\t有跟媒體要什麼合作方案嗎Light Today目前他們本來就已經在付費了Light Today本來就是在付錢給媒體好 他們現在就有在付費了所以還是有人願意做嘛所以我們要怎麼樣把這些商考模式都一一列出好好的去談成為我們這一次幫媒體發聲最主要的一個內容好不好 好 我們一起加油 謝謝謝謝樓庭偉委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委 有請黃部長好 蘇衛部黃部長勞動部理事長好 勞動部理事長\n部長好 市長好我想今天談到這個新聞媒體數位平台強制溢價法本席版本最重要的一個精神是建立平台的媒體就以付費議題進行充分協商的議題程序 溢價程序唯有達到最後雙方仍舊無法達成共識的時候才會啟動仲裁機制決定平台應負擔的付費金額健全目前失靈的一個市場機制\n那我想透過資訊的揭露給予雙方的一個合理溢價空間也保障了媒體從業人員今天的一個權益我想今天大家都非常的關切但是我要講的是去年10月14日台北市報業商業同業工會中華民國衛星廣播電視事業商業同業工會中市民視台視發表媒體共同的聲明希望盡速立法 公平競爭今天文化部的報告也寫到\n收集平面媒體業的一個立法意見報業及雜誌業均認為需要立法立法已經是共識了呼籲速發部應該盡速的提出版本\n我要跟部長特別分享本席作為本屆國民黨第一位提出媒體溢價法的一個委員我想大家都知道現在Google跟Meta兩個大型的數位平台長期無償使用這樣子的新聞媒體台灣新聞媒體的廣告收入幾乎是大幅的下滑\n那連帶影響媒體從業人員以及他們的收入今天是五一勞動節我們看到兩間大型的數位科技平台掌握了超過半數的媒體新聞流量成為了台灣主要的新的新聞來源卻不曾來付費我想我講了這麼多我們先不談剛剛我所聽到部長有提的國外的一些案例國外的一些法規就單純你聽我這樣論述你覺得公平嗎 部長\n那個鮑偉這個確實是一個問題那確實也是需要解決問題只是說這個因為從我們現在因為我們訂一個方案必須要有效那只是說這個目前是看起來我們原來認為的方案但目前看起來其實對我們媒體擔心是反效果有擔心當然也有期待那剛剛你有提到澳洲這個部分的案例但是你也要找找看有沒有其他各國有沒有成功的案例\n我們希望說在這個部分上如果他沒有成功案例剛剛旁邊有人打pass說沒有成功案例但是沒關係我知道我有看到了沒有成功案例但是我要講的是在澳洲的部分有失敗的案例那可不可以將這失敗的案例我們來加以的去做一個調整成為台灣目前能夠有的新方案那成為一個成功模式我們也可以變成全球首創\n那我還是希望說見請召委能夠則其的盡快逐條審查也拜託召委這麼的英明今天所排審這樣子的一個題目那我想新聞有價是社會共識社會期待剛剛也提到10月14日我們看到這樣子的這麼多媒體從業人員還有相關的不管是平面雜誌他們都發聲了新聞有價應該禁訴立法我想那難道這些聲音訴發部不知道還是訴發部就只是因為澳洲的案例所以現在不提版本\n是這樣嗎我們都知道你們有版本嗎我們有跟媒體溝通好我相信那你們有版本嗎部長跟委員報告我們都相信媒體有價但是解決這個問題有三種解決方案第一個是法律第二個是商業第三個是用科技那目前我們從這個加拿大或者是澳洲或者是歐盟的這個案例來看的話\n這些立法都沒有成功的案例事實上以那個加拿大來講的話他們通過他們的Online News Act以後那個Meta就把在加拿大把所有的那個媒體的新聞的連結通通移除掉了移除掉退出嘛我都知道所以我想說你剛剛說的法律\n商業 科技我們現在是著重在商業跟科技的方法我們來幫助這個媒體讓他收到如果你認為強制溢價是膽有那我們這一部法令也不一定要叫做你所說的溢價法\n可以叫做說往這個科技商業的部分來做規範那我想叫什麼名字都不重要重要的是我們的台灣媒體的從業人員因為獲利增加讓我們所有的從業人員福利跟權益增加這是我們現在在重視的\n那現在現階段速發部的報告有提到審慎考量目前國際的局勢目前國際的局勢不排除引發美國採關稅報復的一個風險我想你提出這樣子的報告我們不能批評因為你把風險寫上去嘛但是我們可以探討這樣子的一個部分我想問\n我們先提啊 速發部數位產業署副署長陳惠敏在2024年10月29日也曾經表示速發部非常贊成媒體溢價法的一個立法但幾個國家推動時也面臨了壓力國內若有共識 速發部願意配合言猶在耳啊那當然今天所提到的美國關稅又是另外一個題目但是請問部長\n現在台灣的媒體希望能夠有這樣子的議價法已經遭到美國關切了嗎還是你們只是單純評估風險因為我們還沒有立法所以現在美國還沒有表示他的態度但是從美國商會有表示態度但是也從目前澳洲跟加拿大被美國\n這樣的一個反對我們也擔心台灣如果通過類似的法律一樣會得到美國的一些反對那現階段在關稅正在談判的一個時程當中我們都知道 趙偉排了這一個題目那我覺得這是一個非常好談判關稅的一個談判條件\n那你有沒有跟行政院甚至未來要準備已經在談判的過程當中把媒體溢價法也列入到我們跟美國談判的一個關鍵之一跟委員報告我們已經跟行政院的關稅談判的那個長官都已經報告過這件事情了\n好 對 那所以嘛 既然有機會成為談判條件之一我還是建議啊 趙偉我們是 首相跟委員報告我們不希望在這個時候因為這件事情變成這個關稅談判團隊的障礙你認為是障礙啦 但昨天我想我們昨天有看到牛許廷委員喔在談 在講這個行政院對談的時候啊有講這個美國關稅在談判的過程快不一定好\n擬定雙方的需要就競爭型的一個談判還是要坐下來好好的談判我覺得這些項目都是談判的一個條件之一我覺得作為在野黨執政黨要去談判執政黨有所謂的包袱有所謂的壓力但在野黨我們也希望當執政黨的黑臉\n讓執政黨在面對國際的壓力的時候也能夠把在野黨的聲音講出來作為執政黨談判的籌碼所以我還是建議啊 趙偉這個應該還是要持續的推動我們走一步算一步成為我們現在中華民國談判的時候\n也能夠一方面為了媒體而發聲一方面我們也能夠適時的作為談判條件說不定說不定到時候美國所給予的這樣相關的一個條件可能更好但現在我們不是強硬的是一定要過而是我們一邊走一邊把這些媒體的聲音把從業人員的一些困難一一的把它給探討更希望在逐條討論的時候有行政院的版本但我想部長我想跟你請問你個人認為啦\n我們的步驟啊就媒體議價而言一定是先自由議價再來指派調解人再來強制仲裁你覺得這三個步驟哪一個步驟會成為美國關稅報復最大的一個風險\n他們關切哪一個部分這三個條件當中當然整個法我知道跟委員報告主要是強制溢價還有強制仲裁這個部分美國有非常大的意見強制仲裁是第三嘛所以我想旁邊我們的長官也非常的專業他在討論這個部分但是自由溢價我們可以先看到如果自由溢價有這個機會\n那在議價法當中我們是可以再加強自由議價以及調解的部分強制仲裁是可能被最為關切的部分在逐條審查的時候我們要不要把強制的部分納入或者是逐步的納入或者是部分的納入這個都可以再討論所以我們還是要了解什麼樣的關鍵的法會讓美國比較關切那現在看到自由議價跟這個所謂的調解\n這個部分是沒有疑慮的所以我若不透過法律的程序來立法那媒體有什麼力量去做數位平台的談判所以溢價的機制要如何來進行這是我們現階段應該著重在前面兩個階段為媒體來發聲所以台灣媒體的產業不像國外若過度的謹慎\n我們目前現在的局勢恐怕會具媒體的產業更加的劇烈困境所以也會進一步的弱化整個媒體的相關風險所以立法才是著重於媒體的著作權的一個保障那我想請問一下勞動部是請問次長喔勞動部是否認同透過媒體議價法的立法能改善記者薪資跟勞動環境\n我們勞動部對於任何能夠提高包括記得朋友在來勞工朋友的薪資福利勞動條件我們都支持至於這一個法因為我們都尊重速發部他們的主管權責勞動部自己沒有立場嗎在於強制溢價的部分\n因為議價這件事如果照團體協議法要有工會才能夠那我們台灣目前媒體新聞媒體業有成立工會的這個事業單位就我了解並不是多數所以可能我們要先鼓勵新聞媒體業他們的事業單位的勞工能夠成立工會你點出一個問題嘛那所以這部分不管最後議價法有沒有通過我覺得還是先鼓勵讓他們能夠成立嘛對不對加強這個部分的一個凝聚\n我們勞動部一向都有一些鼓勵那個企業世界單位的勞工成立企業工會的一些補助跟協助輔導方案好那這個部分我們還是希望勞動部應該站在整個媒體從業人員的立場我相信媒體如果能夠多賺錢他一定會多分配資源那現在請問黃部長\n台灣媒體溢價法的立法就數位平台而言Google有提出台灣新聞數位共融基金目前成效如何有辦法促進產業共融嗎有現在已經有40個Case然後一年一億現在第二年執行完畢所以你覺得有提升台灣新聞生態系的一個多元跟永續那個請那個署長可以署長請說\n是 我們目前認為這個應該對媒體是很有幫助另外它Google也有另外一個專案就是北極星的專案它這個是請國外的顧問就Financial Times來教導國內的媒體如何做新聞地面的一個營運模式新的營運模式來 那這樣子台灣新聞產業長期受到數位廣告的營收外流等結構性的一個問題現在你說單一基金看起來有效但是整個單一基金可以解決根本問題嗎你覺得可以嗎\n請問委員指的是哪一種的基金是媒體強制溢價得到的基金還是政府那是Google出錢的基金我剛剛講Google提出台灣新聞數位共榮基金你們說有效可是整個結構性的問題就單一個基金就可以解決嗎\n我們認為說另外一個北極星計畫可能更有幫助因為現在媒體的困境是失去訂閱的收入然後因為那個Financial Times他們在訂閱制做得非常好所以他就跟那個Google合作然後經過我們那個速發部的促成他們現在在台灣幫各個新聞媒體做那個訂閱制的那個機制那這個費用都是由Google來促成所以我要講的是說單一基金不可能嘛我們還是要需要多元的計畫去整個促進整個根本問題嘛那Live Today呢有提出什麼嗎\n有跟媒體要什麼合作方案嗎Light Today目前他們本來就已經在付費了Light Today本來就是在付錢給媒體好 他們現在就有在付費了所以還是有人願意做嘛所以我們要怎麼樣把這些商考模式都一一列出好好的去談成為我們這一次幫媒體發聲最主要的一個內容好不好 好 我們一起加油 謝謝謝謝樓庭偉委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.109 --> 00:08.822\n好謝謝召委有請黃部長好蘇衛部黃部長勞動部理事長好勞動部理事長\n\n00:14.768 --> 00:39.554\n部長好市長好我想今天談到這個新聞媒體數位平台強制溢價法本席版本最重要的一個精神是建立平台的媒體就以付費議題進行充分協商的議題程序溢價程序唯有達到最後雙方仍舊無法達成共識的時候才會啟動仲裁機制決定平台應負擔的付費金額健全目前失靈的一個市場機制\n\n00:40.914 --> 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03:33.054\n那我還是希望說見請召委能夠則其的盡快逐條審查也拜託召委這麼的英明今天所排審這樣子的一個題目那我想新聞有價是社會共識社會期待剛剛也提到10月14日我們看到這樣子的這麼多媒體從業人員還有相關的不管是平面雜誌他們都發聲了新聞有價應該禁訴立法我想那難道這些聲音訴發部不知道還是訴發部就只是因為澳洲的案例所以現在不提版本\n\n03:33.534 --> 03:59.773\n是這樣嗎我們都知道你們有版本嗎我們有跟媒體溝通好我相信那你們有版本嗎部長跟委員報告我們都相信媒體有價但是解決這個問題有三種解決方案第一個是法律第二個是商業第三個是用科技那目前我們從這個加拿大或者是澳洲或者是歐盟的這個案例來看的話\n\n04:00.593 --> 04:19.388\n這些立法都沒有成功的案例事實上以那個加拿大來講的話他們通過他們的OnlineNewsAct以後那個Meta就把在加拿大把所有的那個媒體的新聞的連結通通移除掉了移除掉退出嘛我都知道所以我想說你剛剛說的法律\n\n04:20.970 --> 04:38.347\n商業科技我們現在是著重在商業跟科技的方法我們來幫助這個媒體讓他收到如果你認為強制溢價是膽有那我們這一部法令也不一定要叫做你所說的溢價法\n\n04:38.928 --> 04:55.544\n可以叫做說往這個科技商業的部分來做規範那我想叫什麼名字都不重要重要的是我們的台灣媒體的從業人員因為獲利增加讓我們所有的從業人員福利跟權益增加這是我們現在在重視的\n\n04:56.525 --> 05:15.545\n那現在現階段速發部的報告有提到審慎考量目前國際的局勢目前國際的局勢不排除引發美國採關稅報復的一個風險我想你提出這樣子的報告我們不能批評因為你把風險寫上去嘛但是我們可以探討這樣子的一個部分我想問\n\n05:16.940 --> 05:42.527\n我們先提啊速發部數位產業署副署長陳惠敏在2024年10月29日也曾經表示速發部非常贊成媒體溢價法的一個立法但幾個國家推動時也面臨了壓力國內若有共識速發部願意配合言猶在耳啊那當然今天所提到的美國關稅又是另外一個題目但是請問部長\n\n05:44.628 --> 06:02.499\n現在台灣的媒體希望能夠有這樣子的議價法已經遭到美國關切了嗎還是你們只是單純評估風險因為我們還沒有立法所以現在美國還沒有表示他的態度但是從美國商會有表示態度但是也從目前澳洲跟加拿大被美國\n\n06:03.559 --> 06:20.197\n這樣的一個反對我們也擔心台灣如果通過類似的法律一樣會得到美國的一些反對那現階段在關稅正在談判的一個時程當中我們都知道趙偉排了這一個題目那我覺得這是一個非常好談判關稅的一個談判條件\n\n06:23.342 --> 06:39.627\n那你有沒有跟行政院甚至未來要準備已經在談判的過程當中把媒體溢價法也列入到我們跟美國談判的一個關鍵之一跟委員報告我們已經跟行政院的關稅談判的那個長官都已經報告過這件事情了\n\n06:39.707 --> 07:06.243\n好對那所以嘛既然有機會成為談判條件之一我還是建議啊趙偉我們是首相跟委員報告我們不希望在這個時候因為這件事情變成這個關稅談判團隊的障礙你認為是障礙啦但昨天我想我們昨天有看到牛許廷委員喔在談在講這個行政院對談的時候啊有講這個美國關稅在談判的過程快不一定好\n\n07:07.303 --> 07:29.413\n擬定雙方的需要就競爭型的一個談判還是要坐下來好好的談判我覺得這些項目都是談判的一個條件之一我覺得作為在野黨執政黨要去談判執政黨有所謂的包袱有所謂的壓力但在野黨我們也希望當執政黨的黑臉\n\n07:30.833 --> 07:48.530\n讓執政黨在面對國際的壓力的時候也能夠把在野黨的聲音講出來作為執政黨談判的籌碼所以我還是建議啊趙偉這個應該還是要持續的推動我們走一步算一步成為我們現在中華民國談判的時候\n\n07:49.791 --> 08:18.010\n也能夠一方面為了媒體而發聲一方面我們也能夠適時的作為談判條件說不定說不定到時候美國所給予的這樣相關的一個條件可能更好但現在我們不是強硬的是一定要過而是我們一邊走一邊把這些媒體的聲音把從業人員的一些困難一一的把它給探討更希望在逐條討論的時候有行政院的版本但我想部長我想跟你請問你個人認為啦\n\n08:20.312 --> 08:30.602\n我們的步驟啊就媒體議價而言一定是先自由議價再來指派調解人再來強制仲裁你覺得這三個步驟哪一個步驟會成為美國關稅報復最大的一個風險\n\n08:37.395 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Times來教導國內的媒體如何做新聞訂閱新的營運模式。"],["羅委員廷瑋：臺灣新聞產業長期受到數位廣告的營收外流等結構性的問題，現在你說單一基金看起來有效，但是整個單一基金可以解決根本問題嗎？你覺得可以嗎？"],["林次長宜敬：請問委員指的是哪一種基金，是媒體強制議價得到的基金，還是政府……"],["羅委員廷瑋：剛剛提到的台灣新聞數位共榮基金。"],["林次長宜敬：那是Google出錢的基金。"],["羅委員廷瑋：對，我知道，我剛剛有講Google有提出台灣新聞數位共榮基金，你們說有效，可是整個結構性的問題單一一個基金就可以解決嗎？"],["林次長宜敬：我們認為另外一個北極星計畫可能更有幫助，因為現在媒體的困境是失去訂閱的收入，Financial Times在訂閱制做得非常好，所以它就跟Google合作，然後經過我們數發部的促成，他們現在在臺灣幫各個新聞媒體做訂閱制的機制，這個費用都是由Google出的。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以我要講的是，單一基金不可能，我們還是要需要多元的計畫促進整個根本問題，LINE TODAY有提出什麼嗎？有跟媒體要什麼合作方案嗎？"],["林次長宜敬：LINE TODAY本來就已經在付費了。"],["黃部長彥男：LINE 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