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00:01:13,646\n然後可以看到說這東西是不是詐騙然後你們也會通報相關機關然後去做查詢然後確定它是詐騙或不是詐騙那如果是公眾人物的話也可以通報給這個APP那如果發現有被詐騙的話你們會同步通知本人也會通知像FB、LINE、Google、IG等社群平台同步要求他們下架沒錯啦這個是當初宣傳的內容那我們來檢視一下因為我也去測試了一下你們這個\n\n4\n00:01:15,140 --> 00:01:17,708\n查詢網那我覺得我發現有些問題下一頁嘛\n\n5\n00:01:20,930 --> 00:01:46,167\n下一頁這個第一個譬如說像這個有人通報他叫酷炫老頭久轉功成非富即貴有人去通報那目前沒有辦法給正確答案只告知說是疑似詐騙訊息那我的助理實際上他就去測試了一下就是加入了這個LINE那就可以看得出來他這個他的頁面嘛你進去之後\n\n6\n00:01:47,492 --> 00:02:15,078\n裡面的人管理員就會通知加入的人要加入另外一個LINE的群組那加入到另外一個LINE的群組呢那你就知道啦可能就是會進行一些投資的行為嘛就是很傳統的詐騙方式那我不知道說為什麼像這一種很明顯的詐騙的模式在網友通報之後到目前為止顯示的都是疑似沒有辦法給一個很確定的答案是為什麼\n\n7\n00:02:15,838 --> 00:02:42,488\n跟委員報告我們對於網路的詐騙我們是深惡痛絕我想這是我們全台灣所有人的共識但是台灣也是一個自由民主法治的國家那如果我們要通知一個社群媒體平台把一個訊息移除的話我們一定要有法源的依據那就如同剛才那個委員所顯示的畫面上當然一樣的資訊或者是說你加入他的群組然後他要求你加入另外一個群組我們並不能判斷他是詐騙\n\n8\n00:02:43,488 --> 00:03:11,237\n那這件事情怎麼樣才能夠判斷這個要法源依據不是那你這個網址就你設定了一個平台然後大家來使用然後你說說因為要很多困難沒辦法判斷那怎麼樣才能判斷我們這個機制就是說我們收到這個通報以後像這樣的那個案件我們會不會交給內政部警政署所以接下來你們交給警政署去查是不是對他們要做判斷要有法源的依據那現在是他在查詢當中還是怎麼樣\n\n9\n00:03:12,057 --> 00:03:25,292\n因為這邊你們的進度4月29號11點鐘是說以通知速發部確認中那速發部這邊就是會通知警政署所以警察正在辦這個案子是不是然後等到警政署確認這個是詐騙\n\n10\n00:03:26,974 --> 00:03:47,440\n才會回報到這個平台然後做出正確答案是這個還在流程當中嗎對因為這個東西他們後續到相關部會相關部會會針對相關的內容去做一些掐耳因為有些時候這到底是詐騙還是人家在分析服務好色通常時間需要多久譬如說就以這個酷炫老頭的案例來講通常需要多久從4月29號查到這個個案\n\n11\n00:03:49,501 --> 00:04:09,862\n到你們通報警政署警政署查完回報給你們然後有一個明確答案通常需要多久我們大概大概原則大概在一天以內要盡量處理這些事一天可是從4月29今天5月1號已經超過一天了沒有因為有些東西他還是要去做一些確認基本上因為有些東西要判我剛剛問你說通常需要幾天嘛你說一天嘛\n\n12\n00:04:10,402 --> 00:04:25,006\n然後所以現在我才告訴你說現在已經兩天了跟委員報告我們會依照這個案那個通報他的那個危險性他的風險性去做排序我們處理那個高風險因為我後面還有別加個案這個案子麻煩你確認之後\n\n13\n00:04:27,607 --> 00:04:53,501\n回我辦公室一下就這個案子好不好那我想了解說到底你們需要幾天還有他的流程到底是什麼這是第一個個案第二個個案也有人通報一個叫做今日爆牌台中那最後的結論是說本訊息缺乏足夠資訊便是詐騙與否那當然啦因為按照速發部的判斷詐騙應該是指說他爆牌給你然後最後把你錢騙光了這個叫做詐騙嘛\n\n14\n00:04:54,802 --> 00:05:10,189\n那也許你還在查詢當中你沒辦法確認說他是不是詐騙可是這個很明顯就是違反其他的法律啊譬如說他可能就違反政交法通常你不能隨便在網路上跟人家爆牌對吧可以嗎可以隨便在網路上跟人家爆牌嗎\n\n15\n00:05:11,161 --> 00:05:26,377\n那個我們是在查詐騙這個違法我知道我知道我知道但是但是這個行為基本上是違法的嘛所以我現在就是跟部長請教你們假設有人通報了一個最後判斷說你判斷不是詐騙但是他有違法行為你們會把這個東西轉給相關機構去查嗎\n\n16\n00:05:29,821 --> 00:05:46,808\n就是遇到這個我們就會傳給那個就是金管會所以金管會如果金管會會去做後續的追蹤金管會會去後續那請教一下那金管會最後查的結果會不會再回報給你們然後你們會顯示在這個網頁上面還是說他就是一直說本訊息缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙\n\n17\n00:05:49,209 --> 00:06:15,247\n報告委員其實這部分來講這就是為什麼我們要必須後台交給相關部會第一個我們通知那個部會說有這個東西那他知道因為可能因為我們只處理詐騙的事情但是可能這個東西會涉及到其他相關的法規他知道之後他會依照他的權責去處理另外一個就是說我們在這裡面如果說不是詐騙我們也會秀出說這可能是高度風險有多了這樣子的level來去警示我現在的建議是這樣子啦\n\n18\n00:06:16,689 --> 00:06:31,228\n雖然說你們單位是打詐這個網站是打詐但實際上人家來舉報假設有不罰行為我覺得也是要告訴民眾啦所以你現在發文給金管會金管事務如果確定說這是違法行為那最後回你們你們應該在右上角顯示一下\n\n19\n00:06:31,994 --> 00:06:48,430\n無法比如說你說缺乏足夠資訊便是詐騙與否但是明顯違反政交法請小心所以應該是這樣子嘛你今天花了幾千萬接近六千萬做了一個平台然後一副就是好像不要不趕的感覺委員的那個建議非常好我們往這個方向努力\n\n20\n00:06:49,031 --> 00:07:05,567\n但是也必須跟委員報告等一下你等一下一起報告啦好再來這個一樣日本澳田製藥株式會社這個療效真的超厲害的三天消除耳鳴十天就可以恢復聽力然後立刻就可以扔掉助聽器正常溝通\n\n21\n00:07:06,608 --> 00:07:25,495\n這一看你不覺得很有問題嗎所以我們給衛福部去對然後但是因為你們秀出來的等一下你們秀出來的還是一樣本訊息缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙與否還是一樣那你們現在通知衛福部確認當中嘛然後最後你結案了結案就是本訊息經衛福部檢視人缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙與否\n\n22\n00:07:27,476 --> 00:07:53,707\n那人家看到之後這不是詐騙就去買啦但其實這個問題很大為什麼因為你真的相信他那麼厲害三十天以後耳鳴現象完全消失然後我去查了相關因為這個案子這個藥品它是在福建我們也去看了它的網站的位置是在福建那因為你現在你未服務並沒有做一個什麼廣告不實或違反醫藥法的裁定對不對可是我們看了之前的相關的別的藥的\n\n23\n00:07:54,887 --> 00:08:21,167\n別的要的這個一樣類似的東西他這邊就寫說涉嫌違規宣稱詞句七天消除耳鳴三十天恢復聽就跟剛剛那個一模一樣可以拔掉註定句這個東西已經被衛福部認為是違反食安法的第28條的規定涉嫌廣告違規所以同樣的樣態之前被罰過可是現在民眾在檢舉這件事情的時候你說本訊息缺乏訊我們缺乏資訊便是詐騙與否\n\n24\n00:08:22,830 --> 00:08:41,864\n那你不就是等於變相在幫這個東西背書嗎所以你應該叫衛福部查完之後假設他有違反了廣告樣態或是1號法的話你要秀出來啦你不是變相在幫這個違規的東西在背書啦等一下一起喔後面還有\n\n25\n00:08:43,171 --> 00:09:03,325\n很多啦像這個是有人在檢舉台積電慈善基金會的檢舉完之後已經確定是確定是詐騙人但是網站依然存在後面一樣的喔這個呃是晴雨航空說被詐騙然後就通知本人右邊是黃仁勳被詐騙通知本人就沒有沒有結論啊\n\n26\n00:09:04,926 --> 00:09:20,166\n如果他回應的話我們馬上會顯示那當然是因為黃仁勳他本身他非常忙所以他不見得他的幕僚會馬上回覆所以比較delay抱歉剛剛的建議因為你們現在還在測試中可是你花了很多錢六千萬\n\n27\n00:09:21,107 --> 00:09:41,445\n你要做不好意思我還沒有問題啊你要做大家的窗口嘛人家覺得有疑問的就來問然後你就本位主義這個疑似詐騙會不能確定然後就沒了問完之後最後要給個答案他到底違反什麼法違反要釋法違反什麼告訴人家不要幫這些疑似詐騙背書然後最後我一個建議啦\n\n28\n00:09:43,618 --> 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可以隨便在網路上跟人家爆牌嗎\n311161\t326377\t那個我們是在查詐騙這個違法我知道我知道我知道但是但是這個行為基本上是違法的嘛所以我現在就是跟部長請教你們假設有人通報了一個最後判斷說你判斷不是詐騙但是他有違法行為你們會把這個東西轉給相關機構去查嗎\n329821\t346808\t就是遇到這個我們就會傳給那個就是金管會所以金管會如果金管會會去做後續的追蹤金管會會去後續那請教一下那金管會最後查的結果會不會再回報給你們然後你們會顯示在這個網頁上面還是說他就是一直說本訊息缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙\n349209\t375247\t報告委員其實這部分來講這就是為什麼我們要必須後台交給相關部會第一個我們通知那個部會說有這個東西那他知道因為可能因為我們只處理詐騙的事情但是可能這個東西會涉及到其他相關的法規他知道之後他會依照他的權責去處理另外一個就是說我們在這裡面如果說不是詐騙我們也會秀出說這可能是高度風險有多了這樣子的level來去警示我現在的建議是這樣子啦\n376689\t391228\t雖然說你們單位是打詐這個網站是打詐但實際上人家來舉報假設有不罰行為我覺得也是要告訴民眾啦所以你現在發文給金管會金管事務如果確定說這是違法行為那最後回你們你們應該在右上角顯示一下\n391994\t408430\t無法比如說你說缺乏足夠資訊便是詐騙與否但是明顯違反政交法請小心所以應該是這樣子嘛你今天花了幾千萬接近六千萬做了一個平台然後一副就是好像不要不趕的感覺委員的那個建議非常好我們往這個方向努力\n409031\t425567\t但是也必須跟委員報告等一下你等一下一起報告啦好再來這個一樣日本澳田製藥株式會社這個療效真的超厲害的三天消除耳鳴十天就可以恢復聽力然後立刻就可以扔掉助聽器正常溝通\n426608\t445495\t這一看你不覺得很有問題嗎所以我們給衛福部去對然後但是因為你們秀出來的等一下你們秀出來的還是一樣本訊息缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙與否還是一樣那你們現在通知衛福部確認當中嘛然後最後你結案了結案就是本訊息經衛福部檢視人缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙與否\n447476\t473707\t那人家看到之後這不是詐騙就去買啦但其實這個問題很大為什麼因為你真的相信他那麼厲害三十天以後耳鳴現象完全消失然後我去查了相關因為這個案子這個藥品它是在福建我們也去看了它的網站的位置是在福建那因為你現在你未服務並沒有做一個什麼廣告不實或違反醫藥法的裁定對不對可是我們看了之前的相關的別的藥的\n474887\t501167\t別的要的這個一樣類似的東西他這邊就寫說涉嫌違規宣稱詞句七天消除耳鳴三十天恢復聽就跟剛剛那個一模一樣可以拔掉註定句這個東西已經被衛福部認為是違反食安法的第28條的規定涉嫌廣告違規所以同樣的樣態之前被罰過可是現在民眾在檢舉這件事情的時候你說本訊息缺乏訊我們缺乏資訊便是詐騙與否\n502830\t521864\t那你不就是等於變相在幫這個東西背書嗎所以你應該叫衛福部查完之後假設他有違反了廣告樣態或是1號法的話你要秀出來啦你不是變相在幫這個違規的東西在背書啦等一下一起喔 後面還有\n523171\t543325\t很多啦像這個是有人在檢舉台積電慈善基金會的檢舉完之後已經確定是確定是詐騙人但是網站依然存在後面一樣的喔 這個呃是晴雨航空說被詐騙然後就通知本人右邊是黃仁勳被詐騙通知本人就沒有沒有結論啊\n544926\t560166\t如果他回應的話我們馬上會顯示那當然是因為黃仁勳他本身他非常忙所以他不見得他的幕僚會馬上回覆所以比較delay 抱歉剛剛的建議因為你們現在還在測試中可是你花了很多錢六千萬\n561107\t581445\t你要做不好意思我還沒有問題啊你要做大家的窗口嘛人家覺得有疑問的就來問然後你就本位主義這個疑似詐騙會不能確定然後就沒了問完之後最後要給個答案他到底違反什麼法違反要釋法違反什麼告訴人家不要幫這些疑似詐騙背書然後最後我一個建議啦\n583618\t599655\t之前我有在別的地方問過你們蘇巴布因為網路上有很多類似毒品的社團比如說這個伊托彌子這個就最近查到的那你們既然可以做一個平台讓人家去辨識說是不是詐騙那為什麼不能做一個平台讓人家檢舉這些毒品呢\n600879\t625000\t為什麼不行呢 毒品這個事情是大家深惡痛絕 尤其是依托民脂現在造成社會很多問題 很多人都是 這個叫殭屍煙彈嘛很多吸了這個毒之後毒架 很多員警因此這樣傷命那麼嚴重的事情 蘇阿部為什麼不能類似打詐做一個平台以後只要有看到毒品 大家就可以來檢舉嘛幫大家減少那個毒品的問題嘛我們委員今天很好 但是另外 其實委員支持我們的預算\n625580\t651052\t沒問題啊但是你要做事啊剛剛你花六千萬做這個網站做的問題那麼多然後一天到晚跟人家要錢要了錢之後然後執行率那麼差你要把你的本分做好嘛我們當然都是支持嘛對不對 剛剛我在問問題的時候其實我們是舉很多問題給你們讓你們來討論然後就會一直辯解一些不相關的東西我們願意支持預算但是請你們把這東西做好好不好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 麻煩請找數發部的部長好 數位部黃部長好 委員好部長好 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他們要做判斷要有法源的依據那現在是他在查詢當中還是怎麼樣\n因為這邊你們的進度4月29號11點鐘是說以通知速發部確認中那速發部這邊就是會通知警政署所以警察正在辦這個案子是不是然後等到警政署確認這個是詐騙\n才會回報到這個平台然後做出正確答案是這個還在流程當中嗎對因為這個東西他們後續到相關部會相關部會會針對相關的內容去做一些掐耳因為有些時候這到底是詐騙還是人家在分析服務好色通常時間需要多久譬如說就以這個酷炫老頭的案例來講通常需要多久從4月29號查到這個個案\n到你們通報警政署警政署查完回報給你們然後有一個明確答案通常需要多久我們大概大概原則大概在一天以內要盡量處理這些事一天可是從4月29今天5月1號已經超過一天了沒有因為有些東西他還是要去做一些確認基本上因為有些東西要判我剛剛問你說通常需要幾天嘛你說一天嘛\n然後所以現在我才告訴你說現在已經兩天了跟委員報告我們會依照這個案那個通報他的那個危險性他的風險性去做排序我們處理那個高風險因為我後面還有別加個案這個案子麻煩你確認之後\n回我辦公室一下就這個案子 好不好那我想了解說到底你們需要幾天還有他的流程到底是什麼這是第一個個案第二個個案也有人通報一個叫做今日爆牌台中那最後的結論是說本訊息缺乏足夠資訊便是詐騙與否那當然啦因為按照速發部的判斷詐騙應該是指說他爆牌給你然後最後把你錢騙光了這個叫做詐騙嘛\n那也許你還在查詢當中你沒辦法確認說他是不是詐騙可是這個很明顯就是違反其他的法律啊譬如說他可能就違反政交法通常你不能隨便在網路上跟人家爆牌對吧可以嗎 可以隨便在網路上跟人家爆牌嗎\n那個我們是在查詐騙這個違法我知道我知道我知道但是但是這個行為基本上是違法的嘛所以我現在就是跟部長請教你們假設有人通報了一個最後判斷說你判斷不是詐騙但是他有違法行為你們會把這個東西轉給相關機構去查嗎\n就是遇到這個我們就會傳給那個就是金管會所以金管會如果金管會會去做後續的追蹤金管會會去後續那請教一下那金管會最後查的結果會不會再回報給你們然後你們會顯示在這個網頁上面還是說他就是一直說本訊息缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙\n報告委員其實這部分來講這就是為什麼我們要必須後台交給相關部會第一個我們通知那個部會說有這個東西那他知道因為可能因為我們只處理詐騙的事情但是可能這個東西會涉及到其他相關的法規他知道之後他會依照他的權責去處理另外一個就是說我們在這裡面如果說不是詐騙我們也會秀出說這可能是高度風險有多了這樣子的level來去警示我現在的建議是這樣子啦\n雖然說你們單位是打詐這個網站是打詐但實際上人家來舉報假設有不罰行為我覺得也是要告訴民眾啦所以你現在發文給金管會金管事務如果確定說這是違法行為那最後回你們你們應該在右上角顯示一下\n無法比如說你說缺乏足夠資訊便是詐騙與否但是明顯違反政交法請小心所以應該是這樣子嘛你今天花了幾千萬接近六千萬做了一個平台然後一副就是好像不要不趕的感覺委員的那個建議非常好我們往這個方向努力\n但是也必須跟委員報告等一下你等一下一起報告啦好再來這個一樣日本澳田製藥株式會社這個療效真的超厲害的三天消除耳鳴十天就可以恢復聽力然後立刻就可以扔掉助聽器正常溝通\n這一看你不覺得很有問題嗎所以我們給衛福部去對然後但是因為你們秀出來的等一下你們秀出來的還是一樣本訊息缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙與否還是一樣那你們現在通知衛福部確認當中嘛然後最後你結案了結案就是本訊息經衛福部檢視人缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙與否\n那人家看到之後這不是詐騙就去買啦但其實這個問題很大為什麼因為你真的相信他那麼厲害三十天以後耳鳴現象完全消失然後我去查了相關因為這個案子這個藥品它是在福建我們也去看了它的網站的位置是在福建那因為你現在你未服務並沒有做一個什麼廣告不實或違反醫藥法的裁定對不對可是我們看了之前的相關的別的藥的\n別的要的這個一樣類似的東西他這邊就寫說涉嫌違規宣稱詞句七天消除耳鳴三十天恢復聽就跟剛剛那個一模一樣可以拔掉註定句這個東西已經被衛福部認為是違反食安法的第28條的規定涉嫌廣告違規所以同樣的樣態之前被罰過可是現在民眾在檢舉這件事情的時候你說本訊息缺乏訊我們缺乏資訊便是詐騙與否\n那你不就是等於變相在幫這個東西背書嗎所以你應該叫衛福部查完之後假設他有違反了廣告樣態或是1號法的話你要秀出來啦你不是變相在幫這個違規的東西在背書啦等一下一起喔 後面還有\n很多啦像這個是有人在檢舉台積電慈善基金會的檢舉完之後已經確定是確定是詐騙人但是網站依然存在後面一樣的喔 這個呃是晴雨航空說被詐騙然後就通知本人右邊是黃仁勳被詐騙通知本人就沒有沒有結論啊\n如果他回應的話我們馬上會顯示那當然是因為黃仁勳他本身他非常忙所以他不見得他的幕僚會馬上回覆所以比較delay 抱歉剛剛的建議因為你們現在還在測試中可是你花了很多錢六千萬\n你要做不好意思我還沒有問題啊你要做大家的窗口嘛人家覺得有疑問的就來問然後你就本位主義這個疑似詐騙會不能確定然後就沒了問完之後最後要給個答案他到底違反什麼法違反要釋法違反什麼告訴人家不要幫這些疑似詐騙背書然後最後我一個建議啦\n之前我有在別的地方問過你們蘇巴布因為網路上有很多類似毒品的社團比如說這個伊托彌子這個就最近查到的那你們既然可以做一個平台讓人家去辨識說是不是詐騙那為什麼不能做一個平台讓人家檢舉這些毒品呢\n為什麼不行呢 毒品這個事情是大家深惡痛絕 尤其是依托民脂現在造成社會很多問題 很多人都是 這個叫殭屍煙彈嘛很多吸了這個毒之後毒架 很多員警因此這樣傷命那麼嚴重的事情 蘇阿部為什麼不能類似打詐做一個平台以後只要有看到毒品 大家就可以來檢舉嘛幫大家減少那個毒品的問題嘛我們委員今天很好 但是另外 其實委員支持我們的預算\n沒問題啊但是你要做事啊剛剛你花六千萬做這個網站做的問題那麼多然後一天到晚跟人家要錢要了錢之後然後執行率那麼差你要把你的本分做好嘛我們當然都是支持嘛對不對 剛剛我在問問題的時候其實我們是舉很多問題給你們讓你們來討論然後就會一直辯解一些不相關的東西我們願意支持預算但是請你們把這東西做好好不好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.499 --> 00:19.585\n主席好麻煩請找數發部的部長好數位部黃部長好委員好部長好我想跟你談一下打炸因為你們最新四月應該是上個禮拜還是上上禮拜有宣報說說你們那個\n\n00:23.632 --> 00:45.094\n網詐通報查詢網重新上線現在要求就是大家可以一起來測試如果測試完之後沒有什麼問題你們就要正式上線了那這個東西其實拖了蠻久的啦拖了蠻久了那當然我們是希望這個東西可以成功啦那你們這個操作就是說如果有網友在網路上看到一個疑似詐騙的訊息就可以把這個網址貼到這個APP裡面\n\n00:46.115 --> 01:13.646\n然後可以看到說這東西是不是詐騙然後你們也會通報相關機關然後去做查詢然後確定它是詐騙或不是詐騙那如果是公眾人物的話也可以通報給這個APP那如果發現有被詐騙的話你們會同步通知本人也會通知像FB、LINE、Google、IG等社群平台同步要求他們下架沒錯啦這個是當初宣傳的內容那我們來檢視一下因為我也去測試了一下你們這個\n\n01:15.140 --> 01:17.708\n查詢網那我覺得我發現有些問題下一頁嘛\n\n01:20.930 --> 01:46.167\n下一頁這個第一個譬如說像這個有人通報他叫酷炫老頭久轉功成非富即貴有人去通報那目前沒有辦法給正確答案只告知說是疑似詐騙訊息那我的助理實際上他就去測試了一下就是加入了這個LINE那就可以看得出來他這個他的頁面嘛你進去之後\n\n01:47.492 --> 02:15.078\n裡面的人管理員就會通知加入的人要加入另外一個LINE的群組那加入到另外一個LINE的群組呢那你就知道啦可能就是會進行一些投資的行為嘛就是很傳統的詐騙方式那我不知道說為什麼像這一種很明顯的詐騙的模式在網友通報之後到目前為止顯示的都是疑似沒有辦法給一個很確定的答案是為什麼\n\n02:15.838 --> 02:42.488\n跟委員報告我們對於網路的詐騙我們是深惡痛絕我想這是我們全台灣所有人的共識但是台灣也是一個自由民主法治的國家那如果我們要通知一個社群媒體平台把一個訊息移除的話我們一定要有法源的依據那就如同剛才那個委員所顯示的畫面上當然一樣的資訊或者是說你加入他的群組然後他要求你加入另外一個群組我們並不能判斷他是詐騙\n\n02:43.488 --> 03:11.237\n那這件事情怎麼樣才能夠判斷這個要法源依據不是那你這個網址就你設定了一個平台然後大家來使用然後你說說因為要很多困難沒辦法判斷那怎麼樣才能判斷我們這個機制就是說我們收到這個通報以後像這樣的那個案件我們會不會交給內政部警政署所以接下來你們交給警政署去查是不是對他們要做判斷要有法源的依據那現在是他在查詢當中還是怎麼樣\n\n03:12.057 --> 03:25.292\n因為這邊你們的進度4月29號11點鐘是說以通知速發部確認中那速發部這邊就是會通知警政署所以警察正在辦這個案子是不是然後等到警政署確認這個是詐騙\n\n03:26.974 --> 03:47.440\n才會回報到這個平台然後做出正確答案是這個還在流程當中嗎對因為這個東西他們後續到相關部會相關部會會針對相關的內容去做一些掐耳因為有些時候這到底是詐騙還是人家在分析服務好色通常時間需要多久譬如說就以這個酷炫老頭的案例來講通常需要多久從4月29號查到這個個案\n\n03:49.501 --> 04:09.862\n到你們通報警政署警政署查完回報給你們然後有一個明確答案通常需要多久我們大概大概原則大概在一天以內要盡量處理這些事一天可是從4月29今天5月1號已經超過一天了沒有因為有些東西他還是要去做一些確認基本上因為有些東西要判我剛剛問你說通常需要幾天嘛你說一天嘛\n\n04:10.402 --> 04:25.006\n然後所以現在我才告訴你說現在已經兩天了跟委員報告我們會依照這個案那個通報他的那個危險性他的風險性去做排序我們處理那個高風險因為我後面還有別加個案這個案子麻煩你確認之後\n\n04:27.607 --> 04:53.501\n回我辦公室一下就這個案子好不好那我想了解說到底你們需要幾天還有他的流程到底是什麼這是第一個個案第二個個案也有人通報一個叫做今日爆牌台中那最後的結論是說本訊息缺乏足夠資訊便是詐騙與否那當然啦因為按照速發部的判斷詐騙應該是指說他爆牌給你然後最後把你錢騙光了這個叫做詐騙嘛\n\n04:54.802 --> 05:10.189\n那也許你還在查詢當中你沒辦法確認說他是不是詐騙可是這個很明顯就是違反其他的法律啊譬如說他可能就違反政交法通常你不能隨便在網路上跟人家爆牌對吧可以嗎可以隨便在網路上跟人家爆牌嗎\n\n05:11.161 --> 05:26.377\n那個我們是在查詐騙這個違法我知道我知道我知道但是但是這個行為基本上是違法的嘛所以我現在就是跟部長請教你們假設有人通報了一個最後判斷說你判斷不是詐騙但是他有違法行為你們會把這個東西轉給相關機構去查嗎\n\n05:29.821 --> 05:46.808\n就是遇到這個我們就會傳給那個就是金管會所以金管會如果金管會會去做後續的追蹤金管會會去後續那請教一下那金管會最後查的結果會不會再回報給你們然後你們會顯示在這個網頁上面還是說他就是一直說本訊息缺乏足夠資訊辨識詐騙\n\n05:49.209 --> 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人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案；\n六、審查委員范雲等21人擬具「數位新聞發展與民主韌性法草案」案【僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1144501_00002"}}}