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00:01:52,642\n還有院長我想先問部長好了部長請問一下這個特別條例喔如果我們單就文字這樣來看的話你有注意到涉及了哪些部會嗎或者我更具體的來問在這特別條例裡面有交通部嗎你交通部要負擔什麼責任呢報告委員目前沒有涉及到交通部的\n\n7\n00:01:52,742 --> 00:02:02,448\n是啊為什麼會沒有涉及到呢如果你從支持產業安定就業還有照顧民生強化國土任性這幾個方向都跟你交通部沒有關係嗎你當時沒有爭取嗎\n\n8\n00:02:04,842 --> 00:02:31,598\n報告委員其實對於交通的整體的影響我們跟各方面的業者包含航空的業者跟船運的業者那另外就是觀光的業者我們分別辦座談會去理解大家現在所面臨到的狀況那我們也正在盤整就是說它有兩個可能性例如說以航運來說或空運來說它有可能突然空下來或突然停下來但它也有可能有極端的效應突然滿出來或很擠也是有這個狀況\n\n9\n00:02:33,318 --> 00:02:53,025\n沒錯部長你自己就提到了相當多的產業其實我相信也會跟現在的國際局勢會有所連動那今天我特別就其中的一個我很關心的產業就是觀光產業來跟你做討論那我們最後就會看這個特別條例是不是應該多加一點內容\n\n10\n00:02:54,745 --> 00:03:13,235\n我之前在質詢陳建仁院長的時候我就有說過台積電是我們的護國神山但台灣不只一座護國神山內容產業也可以是那我今天也特別想跟院長這邊再報告我認為其實觀光產業也可以是台灣的護國神山因為很清楚\n\n11\n00:03:13,835 --> 00:03:41,670\n世界上越多人認識台灣甚至喜歡台灣對台灣就越安全院長你同意這句話嗎是世界上很多國家也把觀光產業當作國家重大的政策在做發展是啊不只是重大政策以台灣特殊的狀況來講我真的覺得他可以變成護國神山你如果看到現在有多少國外外國的YouTuber來幫台灣拍片然後講述對台灣的感情這真的是很重要而且是很好的對台灣的保護啊\n\n12\n00:03:43,891 --> 00:04:10,044\n我們來看現在日本我相信大家這段時間最常去的就是日本了日本現在正在舉行大型的活動就是大阪市博部長有沒有調查過大阪市博它現在舉行了兩個禮拜了它的參觀人次來到了多少超過一百萬了我們台灣去年的觀光人次多少七百八十幾萬\n\n13\n00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:39,668\n根據我對你這邊的數字785萬沒有錯所以部長院長大阪的大型活動兩個禮拜就達到了我們的六分之一的旅客人次這樣來看大型的國際活動其實應該相當重要嘛沒有問題嘛對不對好那我們就看啊為什麼去年785萬的觀光人次算有達標嗎其實沒有因為你設定的是1000萬\n\n14\n00:04:41,189 --> 00:04:50,936\n可是我們再回推你的前年其實只設定600萬你是雄心壯志一年之間你調升400萬我想請在這裡備詢台上院長部長當時為什麼從600萬把目標人次調升成1000萬那我們現在做到了785萬你是滿意還是不滿意\n\n15\n00:05:02,875 --> 00:05:27,129\n我先向委員回答因為疫後的狀況大家都清楚所以我們降低了但是其實前年的六百萬到去年我們推估一千萬如果不是遇到那麼多的颱風地震我想台灣應該成績會更好一點這是一個外在的因素院長你真的很了解我們的一千萬確實是把台灣這幾年的最高峰就是2019年的人數的目標值啦已經達成值拿出來\n\n16\n00:05:27,729 --> 00:05:50,377\n就是一千萬嘛確實是最高峰所以我們期待是要恢復嘛對不對那可是遇到了地震颱風還有啦其實有一個啦日元啦日幣貶值啦所以日本的觀光客大幅下降但我發現其中有一個是大幅成長就是東南亞的旅客嘛所以你一定是做對了什麼所以東南亞旅客大幅成長\n\n17\n00:05:51,337 --> 00:06:06,937\n部長你做對了什麼?你自己知道嗎?你們有檢討嗎?其實我們在東南亞的這個宣傳包括您剛剛所說的一些YouTuber的宣傳其實觀光署做了非常的多那另外可能台灣整體社會對於東南亞的民眾來說是一個可親近的地方所以大家很願意來台灣\n\n18\n00:06:07,498 --> 00:06:31,668\n我個人就是用這個例子想跟部長和院長同步來討論我認為國家的政策還是對我們的國家發展會有很大的影響包括觀光政策其實你回去檢視交通部的觀光政策裡面在這段時間我們不但是宣傳有做沒有做可是很實際的你推動了穆斯林友善政策這個部分呢很現實的\n\n19\n00:06:32,608 --> 00:06:58,783\n你補助了他什麼呢你補助了他如果你去取得清真認證標章那你就有補助經費你的旅館如果改造成為穆斯林友善旅館認證者也可以有補助我覺得這是非常明顯的政策引導方向改善了基礎建設之後那你去做宣傳的時候人家來了才會真的覺得說在這裡不錯啊\n\n20\n00:07:01,064 --> 00:07:25,004\n對不對這是一個循環的狀況你要先把自己做到位做到標準那後面人家來了才會留的住客回頭客也才會來這個邏輯很清楚而且很簡單嘛所以我看的我們看到所有的觀光政策裡面就是你只要有政策下去引導的而且引導是方向對到位的其實成效就立刻可以顯現出來\n\n21\n00:07:26,465 --> 00:07:48,179\n那另外呢再跟你進一步分析的話是在所有的穆斯林遊客裡面其實會更清楚的看到台北高雄甚至桃園這三個城市裡面因為他有配套旅遊組配套旅遊組所以他吸引的來客數是更多的這分析到這裡部長跟院長認同嗎\n\n22\n00:07:50,216 --> 00:08:09,821\n我覺得我們從完善國內的觀光資源包括交通、旅宿還有飲食然後讓每個城市都有傳說讓每個田野它都有故事這樣才能吸引另外就是加強國際的宣導像5月15號我們在荷蘭的阿姆斯特丹觀光署就會成立一個旅遊服務中心就跟過去奧運期間在巴黎成立的一樣它應該會讓歐洲的\n\n23\n00:08:13,258 --> 00:08:40,249\n這是宣傳的部分嘛我看到現在觀光署大部分的資源都是在做宣傳的部分嘛那國內我們要加強各種合作跟補助剛剛委員所說的這個就是一個補助這個直接有效所以就推回來我們之前我一開始開宗明義在說當你的特別條例裡面要做各種民生產業等等的發展的時候是不是也能夠把這一類的產業也就是增加台灣軟實力的這部分也放在對產業促進\n\n24\n00:08:42,410 --> 00:09:02,026\n是有效度的裡面我不知道你要開在哪裡這個計畫是怎麼樣但我今天提出這樣的概念就是第一我們的國家軟實力也應該放在振興的產業裡面在這次的特別條例裡面或許也可以再加注放入第二是很明顯的你看得出來如果有政策引導而且就觀光產業來講\n\n25\n00:09:03,487 --> 00:09:24,955\n是當他有全套式計畫的這一種計畫的時候其實他會比單點的效果好非常多我現在看我今天早上還特別再次去看交通部觀光署的網站啊觀光署對啦他很認真在宣傳也做了很多我們也是要給予肯定可是比如說好了他現在大推的一個亮點台灣100的計畫\n\n26\n00:09:26,596 --> 00:09:44,399\n那就是點啊那比如說我新北市裡面我看到了什麼我的新北市裡面他一共給我六個一百分之六六個亮點是我的九份漁人碼頭平溪草嶺古道深澳鐵道還有陶瓷老街我分到了一百分之六分完了之後然後勒\n\n27\n00:09:45,894 --> 00:10:01,115\n好像也沒有啊所以我有因為這個東西有配套計畫你有鼓勵我提出配套計畫嗎然後我就可以得到補助嗎還是是後面你會自己幫我設計規劃嗎好像都沒有啊\n\n28\n00:10:01,716 --> 00:10:16,376\n那這就是我今天在這裡除了剛剛特別條例我認為應該要放進去也對觀光產業這一類的軟實力有補助之外那交通部你能不能開這種鼓勵整套計畫的大計畫大政策\n\n29\n00:10:17,077 --> 00:10:37,736\n報告委員我覺得你這個說法非常的合理而且也是應該要做的因為其實現在的旅遊的習慣你提供一個套裝行程給他例如說一日遊怎麼走兩日遊怎麼走三日遊怎麼走這樣子套裝行程的產品其實非常的受歡迎我不是只是說當地旅遊Tour兩天三天我是包括你的在地交通建設基礎建設這個城市\n\n30\n00:10:42,020 --> 00:11:06,041\n對這個縣市政府如果能夠提出這種整套提升該地該鄉鎮的計畫我覺得交通部就應該要大力補助啊剛剛前一個委員在講這個道路交通建設這種我就這個道路建設交流道等等啊這個車站執行行政院執行交通部已經太多次了我們也爭取過太多我今天是在講除了基礎建設它配套的相關讓\n\n31\n00:11:08,082 --> 00:11:32,601\n這個通勤變成旅客就像白沙屯嘛人家不是說讓鄉客變成遊客這樣的整體概念交通部是不是能夠有這樣的思維下去提出整套的政策報告委員您所提到的我們來研究怎麼做做得更細緻但是您所說的這個地方政府跟官方相關的一些補助或者基礎建設這些我們其實也都有在做也都有在補助\n\n32\n00:11:33,261 --> 00:11:56,645\n但是沒有整體化我必須要坦白說因為有時候地方政府他的思考沒有這麼整體化有時候是單點的那我們來協助他們用整套的思考部長我就是要你這句話你應該中央要來協助各地方縣市政府因為不是每個縣市政府的能量能力或者態度是一樣均等的可是你在這裡你已經看到只要有做有態度的就會提升嘛\n\n33\n00:11:57,085 --> 00:12:09,699\n所以看是棒子還是胡蘿蔔引導指引還是任何的方式我是覺得中央可以負擔的是這個部分啦三點跟委員報告第一個特別條例這是兩大塊一個是因應美國關稅一個是因應經濟成長所以這兩塊\n\n34\n00:12:12,482 --> 00:12:38,869\n裡面確實委員提醒的我們沒有把交通部放在裡面但是交通部剛剛委員所提到亮點100的這個計畫已經有相關的經費在支應第三個未來他如果發展更多元的觀光比如台灣成為旅遊輪的重鎮台灣成為外國來台灣的一個觀光我們更多的計畫我們在需要的情況之下如果需要我可以動用第二預備金來支應觀光事業\n\n35\n00:12:39,448 --> 00:12:53,192\n好謝謝院長的承諾那這個是交通部由行政院交通部可以直接處理的部分那另外呢就剩下兩分半的時間我也在就同樣觀光產業的發展方向跟院長說明討論\n\n36\n00:12:55,373 --> 00:13:11,065\n就是接下來的部分可能牽涉到是跨部會的部分啦跨部會的部分就像如同剛剛在討論的宣傳的部分其實觀光署啦真的有用心我要再次的說有啦他們真的有用心要在世界各地打出宣傳可是\n\n37\n00:13:12,247 --> 00:13:33,803\n部長你世代跟我一樣啊你很清楚現在最有效的形象是什麼影視音的行銷嘛就是城市斜拍讓所有的影視音作品可以直接在該地像現在最新的我們助理大家都在看日本戀愛綜藝節目離線找真愛對不對然後苦盡甘來遇見你這每一部甚至黑白大廚\n\n38\n00:13:34,443 --> 00:13:51,611\n播出以後多少人去照暗圖索記找餐餐廳吃飯所以城市協拍讓自己的國家城市出現在好的影視音作品這是大家覺得現在最有效的行銷方法這沒有問題嘛好那我們回過頭來看你\n\n39\n00:13:53,072 --> 00:14:12,782\n交通部的觀光的部分和文化部合作多少我覺得這個可能就是需要院長院長您在這方面一向是非常非常的敏銳也許未來可以在這兩個部會的協助的部分跨部會您可以多看一下啦這個是我請求院長的部分應該沒有問題吧\n\n40\n00:14:13,823 --> 00:14:31,281\n是我剛剛說過城市必須有傳說田野必須有故事像這個如果把它拍成電影拍成戲劇的話就會吸引很多的影迷過來看看實地情況好那部長文化部觀光部其他部位的合作會造成我們觀光產業跟文化產業同步的發展\n\n41\n00:14:31,581 --> 00:14:53,600\n好可是院長有一個部分那請你因為不是交通部的啦所以我這特別說一下在這個跟院長說一下有一個癥結點喔是我們現在在做國際製作的團隊協拍的時候台灣政府補助的額度在台灣製作的總支出百分之三十並以新台幣三千元為上限這是其他很多國家都沒有的上限我認為這個規定\n\n42\n00:14:54,961 --> 00:15:21,180\n其實可以考慮隨著時代調整一下把上限取消百分比可以保留上限取消我相信會吸引更多的國際團隊到台灣來拍攝製作這個請院長討論看看院長可以嗎拍攝一部好的產品影片一直是我對台灣未來的想像沒有錯我們都知道好那就謝謝院長謝謝部長謝謝好謝謝蘇喬惠委員的資訊謝謝卓院長交通部的備詢謝謝\n\n43\n00:15:24,046 --> 00:15:24,713\n接下来我们请\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1308\t6396\t好 謝謝院長 我們請卓院長跟陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部備詢書委員好\n18782\t39221\t院長部長我今天想要先跟您談談4月24號的時候行政院送進立法院的因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例我想今天這個特別條例已經順利排入議程最順利的話是下週可以進入到各委員會去審議\n40382\t54571\t那現在還差一關我們也很希望等一下民眾黨團也可以跟國民黨團一樣遷出不復議那我想特別條例就可以正式趕快加速來這個進行審查我想院長應該覺得這是很重要的條例吧\n55532\t70686\t非常感謝蘇委員也非常感謝大院我方才坐在位置上聽到韓院長念出那個條例現場大家都支持沒有任何意見我覺得非常的欣慰我們需要行政立法兩院一起來合作這個速度才能更快沒錯\n71186\t91483\t如果今天可以簽出不復翼的話我們就可以加快兩個禮拜從下個禮拜就可以開始所以我們都很期待啊那我想這個特別條例院長部長已經也都很清楚其實它的重點就是支持產業安定就業照顧民生強化國土韌性這四大方向沒有問題嘛那可是部長\n92504\t112642\t還有院長我想先問部長好了部長請問一下這個特別條例喔如果我們單就文字這樣來看的話你有注意到涉及了哪些部會嗎或者我更具體的來問在這特別條例裡面有交通部嗎你交通部要負擔什麼責任呢報告委員目前沒有涉及到交通部的\n112742\t122448\t是啊為什麼會沒有涉及到呢如果你從支持產業安定就業還有照顧民生強化國土任性這幾個方向都跟你交通部沒有關係嗎你當時沒有爭取嗎\n124842\t151598\t報告委員其實對於交通的整體的影響我們跟各方面的業者包含航空的業者跟船運的業者那另外就是觀光的業者我們分別辦座談會去理解大家現在所面臨到的狀況那我們也正在盤整就是說它有兩個可能性例如說以航運來說或空運來說它有可能突然空下來或突然停下來但它也有可能有極端的效應突然滿出來或很擠也是有這個狀況\n153318\t173025\t沒錯 部長你自己就提到了相當多的產業其實我相信也會跟現在的國際局勢會有所連動那今天我特別就其中的一個我很關心的產業就是觀光產業來跟你做討論那我們最後就會看這個特別條例是不是應該多加一點內容\n174745\t193235\t我之前在質詢陳建仁院長的時候我就有說過台積電是我們的護國神山但台灣不只一座護國神山內容產業也可以是那我今天也特別想跟院長這邊再報告我認為其實觀光產業也可以是台灣的護國神山因為很清楚\n193835\t221670\t世界上越多人認識台灣甚至喜歡台灣對台灣就越安全院長你同意這句話嗎是世界上很多國家也把觀光產業當作國家重大的政策在做發展是啊不只是重大政策以台灣特殊的狀況來講我真的覺得他可以變成護國神山你如果看到現在有多少國外外國的YouTuber來幫台灣拍片然後講述對台灣的感情這真的是很重要而且是很好的對台灣的保護啊\n223891\t250044\t我們來看現在日本我相信大家這段時間最常去的就是日本了日本現在正在舉行大型的活動就是大阪市博部長有沒有調查過大阪市博它現在舉行了兩個禮拜了它的參觀人次來到了多少超過一百萬了我們台灣去年的觀光人次多少七百八十幾萬\n252533\t279668\t根據我對你這邊的數字785萬沒有錯所以部長院長大阪的大型活動兩個禮拜就達到了我們的六分之一的旅客人次這樣來看大型的國際活動其實應該相當重要嘛沒有問題嘛對不對好那我們就看啊為什麼去年785萬的觀光人次算有達標嗎其實沒有因為你設定的是1000萬\n281189\t290936\t可是我們再回推你的前年其實只設定600萬你是雄心壯志一年之間你調升400萬我想請在這裡備詢台上院長 部長當時為什麼從600萬把目標人次調升成1000萬那我們現在做到了785萬你是滿意還是不滿意\n302875\t327129\t我先向委員回答因為疫後的狀況大家都清楚所以我們降低了但是其實前年的六百萬到去年我們推估一千萬如果不是遇到那麼多的颱風地震我想台灣應該成績會更好一點這是一個外在的因素院長你真的很了解我們的一千萬確實是把台灣這幾年的最高峰就是2019年的人數的目標值啦已經達成值拿出來\n327729\t350377\t就是一千萬嘛確實是最高峰所以我們期待是要恢復嘛對不對那可是遇到了地震颱風還有啦其實有一個啦日元啦日幣貶值啦所以日本的觀光客大幅下降但我發現其中有一個是大幅成長就是東南亞的旅客嘛所以你一定是做對了什麼所以東南亞旅客大幅成長\n351337\t366937\t部長你做對了什麼?你自己知道嗎?你們有檢討嗎?其實我們在東南亞的這個宣傳包括您剛剛所說的一些YouTuber的宣傳其實觀光署做了非常的多那另外可能台灣整體社會對於東南亞的民眾來說是一個可親近的地方所以大家很願意來台灣\n367498\t391668\t我個人就是用這個例子想跟部長和院長同步來討論我認為國家的政策還是對我們的國家發展會有很大的影響包括觀光政策其實你回去檢視交通部的觀光政策裡面在這段時間我們不但是宣傳有做沒有做可是很實際的你推動了穆斯林友善政策這個部分呢很現實的\n392608\t418783\t你補助了他什麼呢你補助了他如果你去取得清真認證標章那你就有補助經費你的旅館如果改造成為穆斯林友善旅館認證者也可以有補助我覺得這是非常明顯的政策引導方向改善了基礎建設之後那你去做宣傳的時候人家來了才會真的覺得說在這裡不錯啊\n421064\t445004\t對不對這是一個循環的狀況你要先把自己做到位做到標準那後面人家來了才會留的住客回頭客也才會來這個邏輯很清楚而且很簡單嘛所以我看的我們看到所有的觀光政策裡面就是你只要有政策下去引導的而且引導是方向對到位的其實成效就立刻可以顯現出來\n446465\t468179\t那另外呢再跟你進一步分析的話是在所有的穆斯林遊客裡面其實會更清楚的看到台北高雄甚至桃園這三個城市裡面因為他有配套旅遊組配套旅遊組所以他吸引的來客數是更多的這分析到這裡部長跟院長認同嗎\n470216\t489821\t我覺得我們從完善國內的觀光資源包括交通、旅宿還有飲食然後讓每個城市都有傳說讓每個田野它都有故事這樣才能吸引另外就是加強國際的宣導像5月15號我們在荷蘭的阿姆斯特丹觀光署就會成立一個旅遊服務中心就跟過去奧運期間在巴黎成立的一樣它應該會讓歐洲的\n493258\t520249\t這是宣傳的部分嘛我看到現在觀光署大部分的資源都是在做宣傳的部分嘛那國內我們要加強各種合作跟補助剛剛委員所說的這個就是一個補助這個直接有效所以就推回來我們之前我一開始開宗明義在說當你的特別條例裡面要做各種民生產業等等的發展的時候是不是也能夠把這一類的產業也就是增加台灣軟實力的這部分也放在對產業促進\n522410\t542026\t是有效度的裡面我不知道你要開在哪裡這個計畫是怎麼樣但我今天提出這樣的概念就是第一我們的國家軟實力也應該放在振興的產業裡面在這次的特別條例裡面或許也可以再加注放入第二是很明顯的你看得出來如果有政策引導而且就觀光產業來講\n543487\t564955\t是當他有全套式計畫的這一種計畫的時候其實他會比單點的效果好非常多我現在看我今天早上還特別再次去看交通部觀光署的網站啊觀光署對啦他很認真在宣傳也做了很多我們也是要給予肯定可是比如說好了他現在大推的一個亮點台灣100的計畫\n566596\t584399\t那就是點啊那比如說我新北市裡面我看到了什麼我的新北市裡面他一共給我六個 一百分之六六個亮點是我的九份 漁人碼頭 平溪 草嶺古道 深澳鐵道 還有陶瓷老街我分到了一百分之六分完了之後 然後勒\n585894\t601115\t好像也沒有啊所以我有因為這個東西有配套計畫你有鼓勵我提出配套計畫嗎然後我就可以得到補助嗎還是是後面你會自己幫我設計規劃嗎好像都沒有啊\n601716\t616376\t那這就是我今天在這裡除了剛剛特別條例我認為應該要放進去也對觀光產業這一類的軟實力有補助之外那交通部你能不能開這種鼓勵整套計畫的大計畫大政策\n617077\t637736\t報告委員我覺得你這個說法非常的合理而且也是應該要做的因為其實現在的旅遊的習慣你提供一個套裝行程給他例如說一日遊怎麼走兩日遊怎麼走三日遊怎麼走這樣子套裝行程的產品其實非常的受歡迎我不是只是說當地旅遊Tour兩天三天我是包括你的在地交通建設基礎建設這個城市\n642020\t666041\t對 這個縣市政府如果能夠提出這種整套提升該地 該鄉鎮的計畫我覺得交通部就應該要大力補助啊剛剛前一個委員在講這個道路交通建設這種 我就這個道路建設 交流道等等啊這個車站 執行 行政院 執行交通部已經太多次了我們也爭取過太多我今天是在講 除了基礎建設它配套的相關讓\n668082\t692601\t這個通勤變成旅客就像白沙屯嘛人家不是說讓鄉客變成遊客這樣的整體概念交通部是不是能夠有這樣的思維下去提出整套的政策報告委員您所提到的我們來研究怎麼做做得更細緻但是您所說的這個地方政府跟官方相關的一些補助或者基礎建設這些我們其實也都有在做也都有在補助\n693261\t716645\t但是沒有整體化我必須要坦白說因為有時候地方政府他的思考沒有這麼整體化有時候是單點的那我們來協助他們用整套的思考部長我就是要你這句話你應該中央要來協助各地方縣市政府因為不是每個縣市政府的能量能力或者態度是一樣均等的可是你在這裡你已經看到只要有做有態度的就會提升嘛\n717085\t729699\t所以看是棒子還是胡蘿蔔引導指引還是任何的方式我是覺得中央可以負擔的是這個部分啦三點跟委員報告第一個特別條例這是兩大塊一個是因應美國關稅一個是因應經濟成長所以這兩塊\n732482\t758869\t裡面確實委員提醒的我們沒有把交通部放在裡面但是交通部剛剛委員所提到亮點100的這個計畫已經有相關的經費在支應第三個未來他如果發展更多元的觀光比如台灣成為旅遊輪的重鎮台灣成為外國來台灣的一個觀光我們更多的計畫我們在需要的情況之下如果需要我可以動用第二預備金來支應觀光事業\n759448\t773192\t好 謝謝院長的承諾那這個是交通部由行政院交通部可以直接處理的部分那另外呢就剩下兩分半的時間我也在就同樣觀光產業的發展方向跟院長說明討論\n775373\t791065\t就是接下來的部分可能牽涉到是跨部會的部分啦跨部會的部分就像如同剛剛在討論的宣傳的部分其實觀光署啦真的有用心我要再次的說有啦他們真的有用心要在世界各地打出宣傳可是\n792247\t813803\t部長你世代跟我一樣啊你很清楚現在最有效的形象是什麼影視音的行銷嘛就是城市斜拍讓所有的影視音作品可以直接在該地像現在最新的我們助理大家都在看日本戀愛綜藝節目離線找真愛對不對然後苦盡甘來遇見你這每一部甚至黑白大廚\n814443\t831611\t播出以後 多少人去照暗圖索記 找餐 餐廳吃飯所以 城市協拍讓自己的國家 城市出現在好的影視音作品這是大家覺得現在最有效的行銷方法這沒有問題嘛好 那我們回過頭來看你\n833072\t852782\t交通部的觀光的部分和文化部合作多少我覺得這個可能就是需要院長院長您在這方面一向是非常非常的敏銳也許未來可以在這兩個部會的協助的部分跨部會您可以多看一下啦這個是我請求院長的部分應該沒有問題吧\n853823\t871281\t是 我剛剛說過城市必須有傳說 田野必須有故事像這個如果把它拍成電影 拍成戲劇的話就會吸引很多的影迷過來看看實地情況好 那部長文化部 觀光部 其他部位的合作會造成我們觀光產業跟文化產業同步的發展\n871581\t893600\t好 可是院長有一個部分那請你因為不是交通部的啦所以我這特別說一下在這個跟院長說一下有一個癥結點喔是我們現在在做國際製作的團隊協拍的時候台灣政府補助的額度在台灣製作的總支出百分之三十並以新台幣三千元為上限這是其他很多國家都沒有的上限我認為這個規定\n894961\t921180\t其實可以考慮隨著時代調整一下把上限取消 百分比可以保留 上限取消我相信會吸引更多的國際團隊到台灣來拍攝製作這個請院長討論看看院長可以嗎拍攝一部好的產品 影片一直是我對台灣未來的想像沒有錯 我們都知道好 那就謝謝院長 謝謝部長 謝謝好 謝謝蘇喬惠委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 交通部的備詢 謝謝\n924046\t924713\t接下来我们请\n","txt":"好 謝謝院長 我們請卓院長跟陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部備詢書委員好\n院長部長我今天想要先跟您談談4月24號的時候行政院送進立法院的因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例我想今天這個特別條例已經順利排入議程最順利的話是下週可以進入到各委員會去審議\n那現在還差一關我們也很希望等一下民眾黨團也可以跟國民黨團一樣遷出不復議那我想特別條例就可以正式趕快加速來這個進行審查我想院長應該覺得這是很重要的條例吧\n非常感謝蘇委員也非常感謝大院我方才坐在位置上聽到韓院長念出那個條例現場大家都支持沒有任何意見我覺得非常的欣慰我們需要行政立法兩院一起來合作這個速度才能更快沒錯\n如果今天可以簽出不復翼的話我們就可以加快兩個禮拜從下個禮拜就可以開始所以我們都很期待啊那我想這個特別條例院長部長已經也都很清楚其實它的重點就是支持產業安定就業照顧民生強化國土韌性這四大方向沒有問題嘛那可是部長\n還有院長我想先問部長好了部長請問一下這個特別條例喔如果我們單就文字這樣來看的話你有注意到涉及了哪些部會嗎或者我更具體的來問在這特別條例裡面有交通部嗎你交通部要負擔什麼責任呢報告委員目前沒有涉及到交通部的\n是啊為什麼會沒有涉及到呢如果你從支持產業安定就業還有照顧民生強化國土任性這幾個方向都跟你交通部沒有關係嗎你當時沒有爭取嗎\n報告委員其實對於交通的整體的影響我們跟各方面的業者包含航空的業者跟船運的業者那另外就是觀光的業者我們分別辦座談會去理解大家現在所面臨到的狀況那我們也正在盤整就是說它有兩個可能性例如說以航運來說或空運來說它有可能突然空下來或突然停下來但它也有可能有極端的效應突然滿出來或很擠也是有這個狀況\n沒錯 部長你自己就提到了相當多的產業其實我相信也會跟現在的國際局勢會有所連動那今天我特別就其中的一個我很關心的產業就是觀光產業來跟你做討論那我們最後就會看這個特別條例是不是應該多加一點內容\n我之前在質詢陳建仁院長的時候我就有說過台積電是我們的護國神山但台灣不只一座護國神山內容產業也可以是那我今天也特別想跟院長這邊再報告我認為其實觀光產業也可以是台灣的護國神山因為很清楚\n世界上越多人認識台灣甚至喜歡台灣對台灣就越安全院長你同意這句話嗎是世界上很多國家也把觀光產業當作國家重大的政策在做發展是啊不只是重大政策以台灣特殊的狀況來講我真的覺得他可以變成護國神山你如果看到現在有多少國外外國的YouTuber來幫台灣拍片然後講述對台灣的感情這真的是很重要而且是很好的對台灣的保護啊\n我們來看現在日本我相信大家這段時間最常去的就是日本了日本現在正在舉行大型的活動就是大阪市博部長有沒有調查過大阪市博它現在舉行了兩個禮拜了它的參觀人次來到了多少超過一百萬了我們台灣去年的觀光人次多少七百八十幾萬\n根據我對你這邊的數字785萬沒有錯所以部長院長大阪的大型活動兩個禮拜就達到了我們的六分之一的旅客人次這樣來看大型的國際活動其實應該相當重要嘛沒有問題嘛對不對好那我們就看啊為什麼去年785萬的觀光人次算有達標嗎其實沒有因為你設定的是1000萬\n可是我們再回推你的前年其實只設定600萬你是雄心壯志一年之間你調升400萬我想請在這裡備詢台上院長 部長當時為什麼從600萬把目標人次調升成1000萬那我們現在做到了785萬你是滿意還是不滿意\n我先向委員回答因為疫後的狀況大家都清楚所以我們降低了但是其實前年的六百萬到去年我們推估一千萬如果不是遇到那麼多的颱風地震我想台灣應該成績會更好一點這是一個外在的因素院長你真的很了解我們的一千萬確實是把台灣這幾年的最高峰就是2019年的人數的目標值啦已經達成值拿出來\n就是一千萬嘛確實是最高峰所以我們期待是要恢復嘛對不對那可是遇到了地震颱風還有啦其實有一個啦日元啦日幣貶值啦所以日本的觀光客大幅下降但我發現其中有一個是大幅成長就是東南亞的旅客嘛所以你一定是做對了什麼所以東南亞旅客大幅成長\n部長你做對了什麼?你自己知道嗎?你們有檢討嗎?其實我們在東南亞的這個宣傳包括您剛剛所說的一些YouTuber的宣傳其實觀光署做了非常的多那另外可能台灣整體社會對於東南亞的民眾來說是一個可親近的地方所以大家很願意來台灣\n我個人就是用這個例子想跟部長和院長同步來討論我認為國家的政策還是對我們的國家發展會有很大的影響包括觀光政策其實你回去檢視交通部的觀光政策裡面在這段時間我們不但是宣傳有做沒有做可是很實際的你推動了穆斯林友善政策這個部分呢很現實的\n你補助了他什麼呢你補助了他如果你去取得清真認證標章那你就有補助經費你的旅館如果改造成為穆斯林友善旅館認證者也可以有補助我覺得這是非常明顯的政策引導方向改善了基礎建設之後那你去做宣傳的時候人家來了才會真的覺得說在這裡不錯啊\n對不對這是一個循環的狀況你要先把自己做到位做到標準那後面人家來了才會留的住客回頭客也才會來這個邏輯很清楚而且很簡單嘛所以我看的我們看到所有的觀光政策裡面就是你只要有政策下去引導的而且引導是方向對到位的其實成效就立刻可以顯現出來\n那另外呢再跟你進一步分析的話是在所有的穆斯林遊客裡面其實會更清楚的看到台北高雄甚至桃園這三個城市裡面因為他有配套旅遊組配套旅遊組所以他吸引的來客數是更多的這分析到這裡部長跟院長認同嗎\n我覺得我們從完善國內的觀光資源包括交通、旅宿還有飲食然後讓每個城市都有傳說讓每個田野它都有故事這樣才能吸引另外就是加強國際的宣導像5月15號我們在荷蘭的阿姆斯特丹觀光署就會成立一個旅遊服務中心就跟過去奧運期間在巴黎成立的一樣它應該會讓歐洲的\n這是宣傳的部分嘛我看到現在觀光署大部分的資源都是在做宣傳的部分嘛那國內我們要加強各種合作跟補助剛剛委員所說的這個就是一個補助這個直接有效所以就推回來我們之前我一開始開宗明義在說當你的特別條例裡面要做各種民生產業等等的發展的時候是不是也能夠把這一類的產業也就是增加台灣軟實力的這部分也放在對產業促進\n是有效度的裡面我不知道你要開在哪裡這個計畫是怎麼樣但我今天提出這樣的概念就是第一我們的國家軟實力也應該放在振興的產業裡面在這次的特別條例裡面或許也可以再加注放入第二是很明顯的你看得出來如果有政策引導而且就觀光產業來講\n是當他有全套式計畫的這一種計畫的時候其實他會比單點的效果好非常多我現在看我今天早上還特別再次去看交通部觀光署的網站啊觀光署對啦他很認真在宣傳也做了很多我們也是要給予肯定可是比如說好了他現在大推的一個亮點台灣100的計畫\n那就是點啊那比如說我新北市裡面我看到了什麼我的新北市裡面他一共給我六個 一百分之六六個亮點是我的九份 漁人碼頭 平溪 草嶺古道 深澳鐵道 還有陶瓷老街我分到了一百分之六分完了之後 然後勒\n好像也沒有啊所以我有因為這個東西有配套計畫你有鼓勵我提出配套計畫嗎然後我就可以得到補助嗎還是是後面你會自己幫我設計規劃嗎好像都沒有啊\n那這就是我今天在這裡除了剛剛特別條例我認為應該要放進去也對觀光產業這一類的軟實力有補助之外那交通部你能不能開這種鼓勵整套計畫的大計畫大政策\n報告委員我覺得你這個說法非常的合理而且也是應該要做的因為其實現在的旅遊的習慣你提供一個套裝行程給他例如說一日遊怎麼走兩日遊怎麼走三日遊怎麼走這樣子套裝行程的產品其實非常的受歡迎我不是只是說當地旅遊Tour兩天三天我是包括你的在地交通建設基礎建設這個城市\n對 這個縣市政府如果能夠提出這種整套提升該地 該鄉鎮的計畫我覺得交通部就應該要大力補助啊剛剛前一個委員在講這個道路交通建設這種 我就這個道路建設 交流道等等啊這個車站 執行 行政院 執行交通部已經太多次了我們也爭取過太多我今天是在講 除了基礎建設它配套的相關讓\n這個通勤變成旅客就像白沙屯嘛人家不是說讓鄉客變成遊客這樣的整體概念交通部是不是能夠有這樣的思維下去提出整套的政策報告委員您所提到的我們來研究怎麼做做得更細緻但是您所說的這個地方政府跟官方相關的一些補助或者基礎建設這些我們其實也都有在做也都有在補助\n但是沒有整體化我必須要坦白說因為有時候地方政府他的思考沒有這麼整體化有時候是單點的那我們來協助他們用整套的思考部長我就是要你這句話你應該中央要來協助各地方縣市政府因為不是每個縣市政府的能量能力或者態度是一樣均等的可是你在這裡你已經看到只要有做有態度的就會提升嘛\n所以看是棒子還是胡蘿蔔引導指引還是任何的方式我是覺得中央可以負擔的是這個部分啦三點跟委員報告第一個特別條例這是兩大塊一個是因應美國關稅一個是因應經濟成長所以這兩塊\n裡面確實委員提醒的我們沒有把交通部放在裡面但是交通部剛剛委員所提到亮點100的這個計畫已經有相關的經費在支應第三個未來他如果發展更多元的觀光比如台灣成為旅遊輪的重鎮台灣成為外國來台灣的一個觀光我們更多的計畫我們在需要的情況之下如果需要我可以動用第二預備金來支應觀光事業\n好 謝謝院長的承諾那這個是交通部由行政院交通部可以直接處理的部分那另外呢就剩下兩分半的時間我也在就同樣觀光產業的發展方向跟院長說明討論\n就是接下來的部分可能牽涉到是跨部會的部分啦跨部會的部分就像如同剛剛在討論的宣傳的部分其實觀光署啦真的有用心我要再次的說有啦他們真的有用心要在世界各地打出宣傳可是\n部長你世代跟我一樣啊你很清楚現在最有效的形象是什麼影視音的行銷嘛就是城市斜拍讓所有的影視音作品可以直接在該地像現在最新的我們助理大家都在看日本戀愛綜藝節目離線找真愛對不對然後苦盡甘來遇見你這每一部甚至黑白大廚\n播出以後 多少人去照暗圖索記 找餐 餐廳吃飯所以 城市協拍讓自己的國家 城市出現在好的影視音作品這是大家覺得現在最有效的行銷方法這沒有問題嘛好 那我們回過頭來看你\n交通部的觀光的部分和文化部合作多少我覺得這個可能就是需要院長院長您在這方面一向是非常非常的敏銳也許未來可以在這兩個部會的協助的部分跨部會您可以多看一下啦這個是我請求院長的部分應該沒有問題吧\n是 我剛剛說過城市必須有傳說 田野必須有故事像這個如果把它拍成電影 拍成戲劇的話就會吸引很多的影迷過來看看實地情況好 那部長文化部 觀光部 其他部位的合作會造成我們觀光產業跟文化產業同步的發展\n好 可是院長有一個部分那請你因為不是交通部的啦所以我這特別說一下在這個跟院長說一下有一個癥結點喔是我們現在在做國際製作的團隊協拍的時候台灣政府補助的額度在台灣製作的總支出百分之三十並以新台幣三千元為上限這是其他很多國家都沒有的上限我認為這個規定\n其實可以考慮隨著時代調整一下把上限取消 百分比可以保留 上限取消我相信會吸引更多的國際團隊到台灣來拍攝製作這個請院長討論看看院長可以嗎拍攝一部好的產品 影片一直是我對台灣未來的想像沒有錯 我們都知道好 那就謝謝院長 謝謝部長 謝謝好 謝謝蘇喬惠委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 交通部的備詢 謝謝\n接下来我们请\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.308 --> 00:06.396\n好謝謝院長我們請卓院長跟陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部備詢書委員好\n\n00:18.782 --> 00:39.221\n院長部長我今天想要先跟您談談4月24號的時候行政院送進立法院的因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例我想今天這個特別條例已經順利排入議程最順利的話是下週可以進入到各委員會去審議\n\n00:40.382 --> 00:54.571\n那現在還差一關我們也很希望等一下民眾黨團也可以跟國民黨團一樣遷出不復議那我想特別條例就可以正式趕快加速來這個進行審查我想院長應該覺得這是很重要的條例吧\n\n00:55.532 --> 01:10.686\n非常感謝蘇委員也非常感謝大院我方才坐在位置上聽到韓院長念出那個條例現場大家都支持沒有任何意見我覺得非常的欣慰我們需要行政立法兩院一起來合作這個速度才能更快沒錯\n\n01:11.186 --> 01:31.483\n如果今天可以簽出不復翼的話我們就可以加快兩個禮拜從下個禮拜就可以開始所以我們都很期待啊那我想這個特別條例院長部長已經也都很清楚其實它的重點就是支持產業安定就業照顧民生強化國土韌性這四大方向沒有問題嘛那可是部長\n\n01:32.504 --> 01:52.642\n還有院長我想先問部長好了部長請問一下這個特別條例喔如果我們單就文字這樣來看的話你有注意到涉及了哪些部會嗎或者我更具體的來問在這特別條例裡面有交通部嗎你交通部要負擔什麼責任呢報告委員目前沒有涉及到交通部的\n\n01:52.742 --> 02:02.448\n是啊為什麼會沒有涉及到呢如果你從支持產業安定就業還有照顧民生強化國土任性這幾個方向都跟你交通部沒有關係嗎你當時沒有爭取嗎\n\n02:04.842 --> 02:31.598\n報告委員其實對於交通的整體的影響我們跟各方面的業者包含航空的業者跟船運的業者那另外就是觀光的業者我們分別辦座談會去理解大家現在所面臨到的狀況那我們也正在盤整就是說它有兩個可能性例如說以航運來說或空運來說它有可能突然空下來或突然停下來但它也有可能有極端的效應突然滿出來或很擠也是有這個狀況\n\n02:33.318 --> 02:53.025\n沒錯部長你自己就提到了相當多的產業其實我相信也會跟現在的國際局勢會有所連動那今天我特別就其中的一個我很關心的產業就是觀光產業來跟你做討論那我們最後就會看這個特別條例是不是應該多加一點內容\n\n02:54.745 --> 03:13.235\n我之前在質詢陳建仁院長的時候我就有說過台積電是我們的護國神山但台灣不只一座護國神山內容產業也可以是那我今天也特別想跟院長這邊再報告我認為其實觀光產業也可以是台灣的護國神山因為很清楚\n\n03:13.835 --> 03:41.670\n世界上越多人認識台灣甚至喜歡台灣對台灣就越安全院長你同意這句話嗎是世界上很多國家也把觀光產業當作國家重大的政策在做發展是啊不只是重大政策以台灣特殊的狀況來講我真的覺得他可以變成護國神山你如果看到現在有多少國外外國的YouTuber來幫台灣拍片然後講述對台灣的感情這真的是很重要而且是很好的對台灣的保護啊\n\n03:43.891 --> 04:10.044\n我們來看現在日本我相信大家這段時間最常去的就是日本了日本現在正在舉行大型的活動就是大阪市博部長有沒有調查過大阪市博它現在舉行了兩個禮拜了它的參觀人次來到了多少超過一百萬了我們台灣去年的觀光人次多少七百八十幾萬\n\n04:12.533 --> 04:39.668\n根據我對你這邊的數字785萬沒有錯所以部長院長大阪的大型活動兩個禮拜就達到了我們的六分之一的旅客人次這樣來看大型的國際活動其實應該相當重要嘛沒有問題嘛對不對好那我們就看啊為什麼去年785萬的觀光人次算有達標嗎其實沒有因為你設定的是1000萬\n\n04:41.189 --> 04:50.936\n可是我們再回推你的前年其實只設定600萬你是雄心壯志一年之間你調升400萬我想請在這裡備詢台上院長部長當時為什麼從600萬把目標人次調升成1000萬那我們現在做到了785萬你是滿意還是不滿意\n\n05:02.875 --> 05:27.129\n我先向委員回答因為疫後的狀況大家都清楚所以我們降低了但是其實前年的六百萬到去年我們推估一千萬如果不是遇到那麼多的颱風地震我想台灣應該成績會更好一點這是一個外在的因素院長你真的很了解我們的一千萬確實是把台灣這幾年的最高峰就是2019年的人數的目標值啦已經達成值拿出來\n\n05:27.729 --> 05:50.377\n就是一千萬嘛確實是最高峰所以我們期待是要恢復嘛對不對那可是遇到了地震颱風還有啦其實有一個啦日元啦日幣貶值啦所以日本的觀光客大幅下降但我發現其中有一個是大幅成長就是東南亞的旅客嘛所以你一定是做對了什麼所以東南亞旅客大幅成長\n\n05:51.337 --> 06:06.937\n部長你做對了什麼?你自己知道嗎?你們有檢討嗎?其實我們在東南亞的這個宣傳包括您剛剛所說的一些YouTuber的宣傳其實觀光署做了非常的多那另外可能台灣整體社會對於東南亞的民眾來說是一個可親近的地方所以大家很願意來台灣\n\n06:07.498 --> 06:31.668\n我個人就是用這個例子想跟部長和院長同步來討論我認為國家的政策還是對我們的國家發展會有很大的影響包括觀光政策其實你回去檢視交通部的觀光政策裡面在這段時間我們不但是宣傳有做沒有做可是很實際的你推動了穆斯林友善政策這個部分呢很現實的\n\n06:32.608 --> 06:58.783\n你補助了他什麼呢你補助了他如果你去取得清真認證標章那你就有補助經費你的旅館如果改造成為穆斯林友善旅館認證者也可以有補助我覺得這是非常明顯的政策引導方向改善了基礎建設之後那你去做宣傳的時候人家來了才會真的覺得說在這裡不錯啊\n\n07:01.064 --> 07:25.004\n對不對這是一個循環的狀況你要先把自己做到位做到標準那後面人家來了才會留的住客回頭客也才會來這個邏輯很清楚而且很簡單嘛所以我看的我們看到所有的觀光政策裡面就是你只要有政策下去引導的而且引導是方向對到位的其實成效就立刻可以顯現出來\n\n07:26.465 --> 07:48.179\n那另外呢再跟你進一步分析的話是在所有的穆斯林遊客裡面其實會更清楚的看到台北高雄甚至桃園這三個城市裡面因為他有配套旅遊組配套旅遊組所以他吸引的來客數是更多的這分析到這裡部長跟院長認同嗎\n\n07:50.216 --> 08:09.821\n我覺得我們從完善國內的觀光資源包括交通、旅宿還有飲食然後讓每個城市都有傳說讓每個田野它都有故事這樣才能吸引另外就是加強國際的宣導像5月15號我們在荷蘭的阿姆斯特丹觀光署就會成立一個旅遊服務中心就跟過去奧運期間在巴黎成立的一樣它應該會讓歐洲的\n\n08:13.258 --> 08:40.249\n這是宣傳的部分嘛我看到現在觀光署大部分的資源都是在做宣傳的部分嘛那國內我們要加強各種合作跟補助剛剛委員所說的這個就是一個補助這個直接有效所以就推回來我們之前我一開始開宗明義在說當你的特別條例裡面要做各種民生產業等等的發展的時候是不是也能夠把這一類的產業也就是增加台灣軟實力的這部分也放在對產業促進\n\n08:42.410 --> 09:02.026\n是有效度的裡面我不知道你要開在哪裡這個計畫是怎麼樣但我今天提出這樣的概念就是第一我們的國家軟實力也應該放在振興的產業裡面在這次的特別條例裡面或許也可以再加注放入第二是很明顯的你看得出來如果有政策引導而且就觀光產業來講\n\n09:03.487 --> 09:24.955\n是當他有全套式計畫的這一種計畫的時候其實他會比單點的效果好非常多我現在看我今天早上還特別再次去看交通部觀光署的網站啊觀光署對啦他很認真在宣傳也做了很多我們也是要給予肯定可是比如說好了他現在大推的一個亮點台灣100的計畫\n\n09:26.596 --> 09:44.399\n那就是點啊那比如說我新北市裡面我看到了什麼我的新北市裡面他一共給我六個一百分之六六個亮點是我的九份漁人碼頭平溪草嶺古道深澳鐵道還有陶瓷老街我分到了一百分之六分完了之後然後勒\n\n09:45.894 --> 10:01.115\n好像也沒有啊所以我有因為這個東西有配套計畫你有鼓勵我提出配套計畫嗎然後我就可以得到補助嗎還是是後面你會自己幫我設計規劃嗎好像都沒有啊\n\n10:01.716 --> 10:16.376\n那這就是我今天在這裡除了剛剛特別條例我認為應該要放進去也對觀光產業這一類的軟實力有補助之外那交通部你能不能開這種鼓勵整套計畫的大計畫大政策\n\n10:17.077 --> 10:37.736\n報告委員我覺得你這個說法非常的合理而且也是應該要做的因為其實現在的旅遊的習慣你提供一個套裝行程給他例如說一日遊怎麼走兩日遊怎麼走三日遊怎麼走這樣子套裝行程的產品其實非常的受歡迎我不是只是說當地旅遊Tour兩天三天我是包括你的在地交通建設基礎建設這個城市\n\n10:42.020 --> 11:06.041\n對這個縣市政府如果能夠提出這種整套提升該地該鄉鎮的計畫我覺得交通部就應該要大力補助啊剛剛前一個委員在講這個道路交通建設這種我就這個道路建設交流道等等啊這個車站執行行政院執行交通部已經太多次了我們也爭取過太多我今天是在講除了基礎建設它配套的相關讓\n\n11:08.082 --> 11:32.601\n這個通勤變成旅客就像白沙屯嘛人家不是說讓鄉客變成遊客這樣的整體概念交通部是不是能夠有這樣的思維下去提出整套的政策報告委員您所提到的我們來研究怎麼做做得更細緻但是您所說的這個地方政府跟官方相關的一些補助或者基礎建設這些我們其實也都有在做也都有在補助\n\n11:33.261 --> 11:56.645\n但是沒有整體化我必須要坦白說因為有時候地方政府他的思考沒有這麼整體化有時候是單點的那我們來協助他們用整套的思考部長我就是要你這句話你應該中央要來協助各地方縣市政府因為不是每個縣市政府的能量能力或者態度是一樣均等的可是你在這裡你已經看到只要有做有態度的就會提升嘛\n\n11:57.085 --> 12:09.699\n所以看是棒子還是胡蘿蔔引導指引還是任何的方式我是覺得中央可以負擔的是這個部分啦三點跟委員報告第一個特別條例這是兩大塊一個是因應美國關稅一個是因應經濟成長所以這兩塊\n\n12:12.482 --> 12:38.869\n裡面確實委員提醒的我們沒有把交通部放在裡面但是交通部剛剛委員所提到亮點100的這個計畫已經有相關的經費在支應第三個未來他如果發展更多元的觀光比如台灣成為旅遊輪的重鎮台灣成為外國來台灣的一個觀光我們更多的計畫我們在需要的情況之下如果需要我可以動用第二預備金來支應觀光事業\n\n12:39.448 --> 12:53.192\n好謝謝院長的承諾那這個是交通部由行政院交通部可以直接處理的部分那另外呢就剩下兩分半的時間我也在就同樣觀光產業的發展方向跟院長說明討論\n\n12:55.373 --> 13:11.065\n就是接下來的部分可能牽涉到是跨部會的部分啦跨部會的部分就像如同剛剛在討論的宣傳的部分其實觀光署啦真的有用心我要再次的說有啦他們真的有用心要在世界各地打出宣傳可是\n\n13:12.247 --> 13:33.803\n部長你世代跟我一樣啊你很清楚現在最有效的形象是什麼影視音的行銷嘛就是城市斜拍讓所有的影視音作品可以直接在該地像現在最新的我們助理大家都在看日本戀愛綜藝節目離線找真愛對不對然後苦盡甘來遇見你這每一部甚至黑白大廚\n\n13:34.443 --> 13:51.611\n播出以後多少人去照暗圖索記找餐餐廳吃飯所以城市協拍讓自己的國家城市出現在好的影視音作品這是大家覺得現在最有效的行銷方法這沒有問題嘛好那我們回過頭來看你\n\n13:53.072 --> 14:12.782\n交通部的觀光的部分和文化部合作多少我覺得這個可能就是需要院長院長您在這方面一向是非常非常的敏銳也許未來可以在這兩個部會的協助的部分跨部會您可以多看一下啦這個是我請求院長的部分應該沒有問題吧\n\n14:13.823 --> 14:31.281\n是我剛剛說過城市必須有傳說田野必須有故事像這個如果把它拍成電影拍成戲劇的話就會吸引很多的影迷過來看看實地情況好那部長文化部觀光部其他部位的合作會造成我們觀光產業跟文化產業同步的發展\n\n14:31.581 --> 14:53.600\n好可是院長有一個部分那請你因為不是交通部的啦所以我這特別說一下在這個跟院長說一下有一個癥結點喔是我們現在在做國際製作的團隊協拍的時候台灣政府補助的額度在台灣製作的總支出百分之三十並以新台幣三千元為上限這是其他很多國家都沒有的上限我認為這個規定\n\n14:54.961 --> 15:21.180\n其實可以考慮隨著時代調整一下把上限取消百分比可以保留上限取消我相信會吸引更多的國際團隊到台灣來拍攝製作這個請院長討論看看院長可以嗎拍攝一部好的產品影片一直是我對台灣未來的想像沒有錯我們都知道好那就謝謝院長謝謝部長謝謝好謝謝蘇喬惠委員的資訊謝謝卓院長交通部的備詢謝謝\n\n15:24.046 --> 15:24.713\n接下来我们请\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.308,"end":6.396,"text":"好 謝謝院長 我們請卓院長跟陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部備詢書委員好"},{"start":18.782,"end":39.221,"text":"院長部長我今天想要先跟您談談4月24號的時候行政院送進立法院的因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例我想今天這個特別條例已經順利排入議程最順利的話是下週可以進入到各委員會去審議"},{"start":40.382,"end":54.571,"text":"那現在還差一關我們也很希望等一下民眾黨團也可以跟國民黨團一樣遷出不復議那我想特別條例就可以正式趕快加速來這個進行審查我想院長應該覺得這是很重要的條例吧"},{"start":55.532,"end":70.686,"text":"非常感謝蘇委員也非常感謝大院我方才坐在位置上聽到韓院長念出那個條例現場大家都支持沒有任何意見我覺得非常的欣慰我們需要行政立法兩院一起來合作這個速度才能更快沒錯"},{"start":71.186,"end":91.483,"text":"如果今天可以簽出不復翼的話我們就可以加快兩個禮拜從下個禮拜就可以開始所以我們都很期待啊那我想這個特別條例院長部長已經也都很清楚其實它的重點就是支持產業安定就業照顧民生強化國土韌性這四大方向沒有問題嘛那可是部長"},{"start":92.504,"end":112.642,"text":"還有院長我想先問部長好了部長請問一下這個特別條例喔如果我們單就文字這樣來看的話你有注意到涉及了哪些部會嗎或者我更具體的來問在這特別條例裡面有交通部嗎你交通部要負擔什麼責任呢報告委員目前沒有涉及到交通部的"},{"start":112.742,"end":122.448,"text":"是啊為什麼會沒有涉及到呢如果你從支持產業安定就業還有照顧民生強化國土任性這幾個方向都跟你交通部沒有關係嗎你當時沒有爭取嗎"},{"start":124.842,"end":151.598,"text":"報告委員其實對於交通的整體的影響我們跟各方面的業者包含航空的業者跟船運的業者那另外就是觀光的業者我們分別辦座談會去理解大家現在所面臨到的狀況那我們也正在盤整就是說它有兩個可能性例如說以航運來說或空運來說它有可能突然空下來或突然停下來但它也有可能有極端的效應突然滿出來或很擠也是有這個狀況"},{"start":153.318,"end":173.025,"text":"沒錯 部長你自己就提到了相當多的產業其實我相信也會跟現在的國際局勢會有所連動那今天我特別就其中的一個我很關心的產業就是觀光產業來跟你做討論那我們最後就會看這個特別條例是不是應該多加一點內容"},{"start":174.745,"end":193.235,"text":"我之前在質詢陳建仁院長的時候我就有說過台積電是我們的護國神山但台灣不只一座護國神山內容產業也可以是那我今天也特別想跟院長這邊再報告我認為其實觀光產業也可以是台灣的護國神山因為很清楚"},{"start":193.835,"end":221.67,"text":"世界上越多人認識台灣甚至喜歡台灣對台灣就越安全院長你同意這句話嗎是世界上很多國家也把觀光產業當作國家重大的政策在做發展是啊不只是重大政策以台灣特殊的狀況來講我真的覺得他可以變成護國神山你如果看到現在有多少國外外國的YouTuber來幫台灣拍片然後講述對台灣的感情這真的是很重要而且是很好的對台灣的保護啊"},{"start":223.891,"end":250.044,"text":"我們來看現在日本我相信大家這段時間最常去的就是日本了日本現在正在舉行大型的活動就是大阪市博部長有沒有調查過大阪市博它現在舉行了兩個禮拜了它的參觀人次來到了多少超過一百萬了我們台灣去年的觀光人次多少七百八十幾萬"},{"start":252.533,"end":279.668,"text":"根據我對你這邊的數字785萬沒有錯所以部長院長大阪的大型活動兩個禮拜就達到了我們的六分之一的旅客人次這樣來看大型的國際活動其實應該相當重要嘛沒有問題嘛對不對好那我們就看啊為什麼去年785萬的觀光人次算有達標嗎其實沒有因為你設定的是1000萬"},{"start":281.189,"end":290.936,"text":"可是我們再回推你的前年其實只設定600萬你是雄心壯志一年之間你調升400萬我想請在這裡備詢台上院長 部長當時為什麼從600萬把目標人次調升成1000萬那我們現在做到了785萬你是滿意還是不滿意"},{"start":302.875,"end":327.129,"text":"我先向委員回答因為疫後的狀況大家都清楚所以我們降低了但是其實前年的六百萬到去年我們推估一千萬如果不是遇到那麼多的颱風地震我想台灣應該成績會更好一點這是一個外在的因素院長你真的很了解我們的一千萬確實是把台灣這幾年的最高峰就是2019年的人數的目標值啦已經達成值拿出來"},{"start":327.729,"end":350.377,"text":"就是一千萬嘛確實是最高峰所以我們期待是要恢復嘛對不對那可是遇到了地震颱風還有啦其實有一個啦日元啦日幣貶值啦所以日本的觀光客大幅下降但我發現其中有一個是大幅成長就是東南亞的旅客嘛所以你一定是做對了什麼所以東南亞旅客大幅成長"},{"start":351.337,"end":366.937,"text":"部長你做對了什麼?你自己知道嗎?你們有檢討嗎?其實我們在東南亞的這個宣傳包括您剛剛所說的一些YouTuber的宣傳其實觀光署做了非常的多那另外可能台灣整體社會對於東南亞的民眾來說是一個可親近的地方所以大家很願意來台灣"},{"start":367.498,"end":391.668,"text":"我個人就是用這個例子想跟部長和院長同步來討論我認為國家的政策還是對我們的國家發展會有很大的影響包括觀光政策其實你回去檢視交通部的觀光政策裡面在這段時間我們不但是宣傳有做沒有做可是很實際的你推動了穆斯林友善政策這個部分呢很現實的"},{"start":392.608,"end":418.783,"text":"你補助了他什麼呢你補助了他如果你去取得清真認證標章那你就有補助經費你的旅館如果改造成為穆斯林友善旅館認證者也可以有補助我覺得這是非常明顯的政策引導方向改善了基礎建設之後那你去做宣傳的時候人家來了才會真的覺得說在這裡不錯啊"},{"start":421.064,"end":445.004,"text":"對不對這是一個循環的狀況你要先把自己做到位做到標準那後面人家來了才會留的住客回頭客也才會來這個邏輯很清楚而且很簡單嘛所以我看的我們看到所有的觀光政策裡面就是你只要有政策下去引導的而且引導是方向對到位的其實成效就立刻可以顯現出來"},{"start":446.465,"end":468.179,"text":"那另外呢再跟你進一步分析的話是在所有的穆斯林遊客裡面其實會更清楚的看到台北高雄甚至桃園這三個城市裡面因為他有配套旅遊組配套旅遊組所以他吸引的來客數是更多的這分析到這裡部長跟院長認同嗎"},{"start":470.216,"end":489.821,"text":"我覺得我們從完善國內的觀光資源包括交通、旅宿還有飲食然後讓每個城市都有傳說讓每個田野它都有故事這樣才能吸引另外就是加強國際的宣導像5月15號我們在荷蘭的阿姆斯特丹觀光署就會成立一個旅遊服務中心就跟過去奧運期間在巴黎成立的一樣它應該會讓歐洲的"},{"start":493.258,"end":520.249,"text":"這是宣傳的部分嘛我看到現在觀光署大部分的資源都是在做宣傳的部分嘛那國內我們要加強各種合作跟補助剛剛委員所說的這個就是一個補助這個直接有效所以就推回來我們之前我一開始開宗明義在說當你的特別條例裡面要做各種民生產業等等的發展的時候是不是也能夠把這一類的產業也就是增加台灣軟實力的這部分也放在對產業促進"},{"start":522.41,"end":542.026,"text":"是有效度的裡面我不知道你要開在哪裡這個計畫是怎麼樣但我今天提出這樣的概念就是第一我們的國家軟實力也應該放在振興的產業裡面在這次的特別條例裡面或許也可以再加注放入第二是很明顯的你看得出來如果有政策引導而且就觀光產業來講"},{"start":543.487,"end":564.955,"text":"是當他有全套式計畫的這一種計畫的時候其實他會比單點的效果好非常多我現在看我今天早上還特別再次去看交通部觀光署的網站啊觀光署對啦他很認真在宣傳也做了很多我們也是要給予肯定可是比如說好了他現在大推的一個亮點台灣100的計畫"},{"start":566.596,"end":584.399,"text":"那就是點啊那比如說我新北市裡面我看到了什麼我的新北市裡面他一共給我六個 一百分之六六個亮點是我的九份 漁人碼頭 平溪 草嶺古道 深澳鐵道 還有陶瓷老街我分到了一百分之六分完了之後 然後勒"},{"start":585.894,"end":601.115,"text":"好像也沒有啊所以我有因為這個東西有配套計畫你有鼓勵我提出配套計畫嗎然後我就可以得到補助嗎還是是後面你會自己幫我設計規劃嗎好像都沒有啊"},{"start":601.716,"end":616.376,"text":"那這就是我今天在這裡除了剛剛特別條例我認為應該要放進去也對觀光產業這一類的軟實力有補助之外那交通部你能不能開這種鼓勵整套計畫的大計畫大政策"},{"start":617.077,"end":637.736,"text":"報告委員我覺得你這個說法非常的合理而且也是應該要做的因為其實現在的旅遊的習慣你提供一個套裝行程給他例如說一日遊怎麼走兩日遊怎麼走三日遊怎麼走這樣子套裝行程的產品其實非常的受歡迎我不是只是說當地旅遊Tour兩天三天我是包括你的在地交通建設基礎建設這個城市"},{"start":642.02,"end":666.041,"text":"對 這個縣市政府如果能夠提出這種整套提升該地 該鄉鎮的計畫我覺得交通部就應該要大力補助啊剛剛前一個委員在講這個道路交通建設這種 我就這個道路建設 交流道等等啊這個車站 執行 行政院 執行交通部已經太多次了我們也爭取過太多我今天是在講 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謝謝院長的承諾那這個是交通部由行政院交通部可以直接處理的部分那另外呢就剩下兩分半的時間我也在就同樣觀光產業的發展方向跟院長說明討論"},{"start":775.373,"end":791.065,"text":"就是接下來的部分可能牽涉到是跨部會的部分啦跨部會的部分就像如同剛剛在討論的宣傳的部分其實觀光署啦真的有用心我要再次的說有啦他們真的有用心要在世界各地打出宣傳可是"},{"start":792.247,"end":813.803,"text":"部長你世代跟我一樣啊你很清楚現在最有效的形象是什麼影視音的行銷嘛就是城市斜拍讓所有的影視音作品可以直接在該地像現在最新的我們助理大家都在看日本戀愛綜藝節目離線找真愛對不對然後苦盡甘來遇見你這每一部甚至黑白大廚"},{"start":814.443,"end":831.611,"text":"播出以後 多少人去照暗圖索記 找餐 餐廳吃飯所以 城市協拍讓自己的國家 城市出現在好的影視音作品這是大家覺得現在最有效的行銷方法這沒有問題嘛好 那我們回過頭來看你"},{"start":833.072,"end":852.782,"text":"交通部的觀光的部分和文化部合作多少我覺得這個可能就是需要院長院長您在這方面一向是非常非常的敏銳也許未來可以在這兩個部會的協助的部分跨部會您可以多看一下啦這個是我請求院長的部分應該沒有問題吧"},{"start":853.823,"end":871.281,"text":"是 我剛剛說過城市必須有傳說 田野必須有故事像這個如果把它拍成電影 拍成戲劇的話就會吸引很多的影迷過來看看實地情況好 那部長文化部 觀光部 其他部位的合作會造成我們觀光產業跟文化產業同步的發展"},{"start":871.581,"end":893.6,"text":"好 可是院長有一個部分那請你因為不是交通部的啦所以我這特別說一下在這個跟院長說一下有一個癥結點喔是我們現在在做國際製作的團隊協拍的時候台灣政府補助的額度在台灣製作的總支出百分之三十並以新台幣三千元為上限這是其他很多國家都沒有的上限我認為這個規定"},{"start":894.961,"end":921.18,"text":"其實可以考慮隨著時代調整一下把上限取消 百分比可以保留 上限取消我相信會吸引更多的國際團隊到台灣來拍攝製作這個請院長討論看看院長可以嗎拍攝一部好的產品 影片一直是我對台灣未來的想像沒有錯 我們都知道好 那就謝謝院長 謝謝部長 謝謝好 謝謝蘇喬惠委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 交通部的備詢 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