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00:03:01,602\n其中他們最近努力的在興建這個海上的一個纜車中國很多中國這個數量也很多越南有26條觀光纜車再講一個歐洲的法國法國有50條觀光纜車那台灣呢台灣就是5條貓纜烏來纜車九族文化村\n\n8\n00:03:13,595 --> 00:03:19,641\n日月潭纜車跟遠雄海洋公園在花蓮這些每一個纜車都超過20年了\n\n9\n00:03:22,079 --> 00:03:42,709\n所以表示說臺灣在這20年來我們就少了發展觀光的比較大的一些野心明明臺灣有很多漂亮的風景但是有很多很好的景是值得我們利用高空的眺望然後你坐到這個纜車內就可以看到有這麼漂亮的一個地方結果臺灣這20年來卻缺少了這樣興建纜車的一個計畫那我想先請教一下院長這是不是很可惜啊\n\n10\n00:03:51,929 --> 00:04:11,636\n台灣這五條纜車我最近坐過的就是九族文化村九族文化村跟在地面走跟在纜車看完全是不同的景觀當然啊在高峰看的話你可以看得更遠一目了然可以看得清楚一目了然可以看到那個視野是不一樣的我覺得每個國家纜車都成為觀光的一個重點\n\n11\n00:04:12,537 --> 00:04:40,024\n很多人排隊等著搭乘這個纜車那台灣這幾條有的是地方政府有的是業者本身來發展的那未來是不是交通部有新的規劃或是委員的建議我們再來考量好所以我現在這是起個頭那我們再回溯看一下這20年又發生了什麼事這20年我們嘉義在我們彰化縣我們前縣長的時候他有提出一個計畫就是阿里山纜車計畫\n\n12\n00:04:41,274 --> 00:05:07,880\n他希望為阿里山達靠到本紀河本紀河就到阿里山阿是另外一個維修道有一個路線那這個也是希望說因為本質上你要搭上阿里山在交通上就困難那過去都用小火車不然就是直接塞車去所以有一個纜車然後你可以隨時空中去看阿里山這不一樣所以當時這樣一個阿里山的一個纜車計畫失敗了\n\n13\n00:05:10,356 --> 00:05:35,762\n那失敗是什麼說他自償率不夠經費高自償率不夠然後第二個他替代交通的功能太少了就是公車的車流量沒那麼多啦那時候就有人說車流量沒那麼多因為車流量沒那麼多所以我就不需要再開三十幾個再去騎一個纜車然後來作為他替代交通的選擇當時就這樣阿里山纜車計畫就無疾而終了各位朋友時針\n\n14\n00:05:38,374 --> 00:06:00,037\n這個是最早台灣要興建海上纜車的一個布局雖然沒有把實際在海上可是它卻是一個港區的跨港的它就是要從高雄港從它的哈馬興要接到旗津的海洋公園再把它接到八五大樓哇這個想像上也會很漂亮\n\n15\n00:06:01,127 --> 00:06:29,468\n想像上很漂亮結果卻因為有部分是國軍的土地那有部分咧這個跟民團因為已經要跨港啊你會開那個樽子在那照他們有意見哇又失敗了高雄這案也失敗了所以我們知道這20年來有這樣山區的纜車大家有去想到在海也有人去想到這兩案都失敗了所以我們就覺得說哇這樣很歐啊\n\n16\n00:06:30,612 --> 00:06:34,217\n那我們現在我們也鍥而不捨我們現在嘉義縣還有兩個案第一個就是嘉義梅山我們現在希望咧因為梅山現在有太平雲梯\n\n17\n00:06:45,994 --> 00:07:12,247\n那梅山,我們大家也知道他那個景觀很漂亮直接可以從太平雲梯那裡遠眺望,直接可以看到了澎湖甚至可以看到澎湖發火節的時候,他那邊的煙火在那邊啪如果這個能見度沒那麼多霧的時候,他一看就看得到他所以這個點很好,但是要去梅山太平雲梯,多辛苦啊\n\n18\n00:07:13,834 --> 00:07:21,719\n你們有去過嗎院長跟部長你們可以去一座看看那裡有一個魔鬼36彎連續36個髮夾彎這個如果有那個跑山的賽車手我們是不推薦啦因為那個路真的是連續36個髮夾彎\n\n19\n00:07:37,455 --> 00:07:39,538\n所以我們現在的想法就是這樣如果我們可以從\n\n20\n00:07:55,299 --> 00:08:23,594\n因為他的骨骼中央就是現在的13樓的停車場然後直接把他拉到太平雲梯的服務中心這個他從海拔20公尺直接拉到海拔1000公尺第一個應該有符合交通部所講的他有替代交通的功能現在要站在那裡很辛苦第二個這裡的可以創造的觀光效益嚇死人啦真的很多\n\n21\n00:08:24,895 --> 00:08:30,558\n我想要跟長官補充我們這台三輪車的價位可以讓我們支持一下嗎報告委員交通部其實在112年有協助地方政府來針對這個意見這個想法來做現場的會刊也實地的勘查過這個東西也跟地方有初步交換過意見這個部分我會繼續來協助不過\n\n22\n00:08:52,089 --> 00:09:06,782\n到底到最後要不要蓋成本多少我認為剛剛委員講的沒有錯不要只有思考交通的需求而已還要思考觀光的效益所以整體的自償率或者是一本筆等等的應該要把觀光也列進來\n\n23\n00:09:07,623 --> 00:09:31,950\n那可行的這個程度就會比較高一點那不過這個部分還是以地方政府為主導其實我們台中我來自台中台中也曾經討論過大坑的纜車那個時候也是說希望由捷運到大坑那邊之後再由纜車接上去那這個也是到最後無疾而終我認為非常可惜那這個部分當然交通部的立場是一定協助地方那看地方需要什麼樣的協助我們一定會來幫忙\n\n24\n00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:49,687\n還有另外一個是由我們布袋港務公司也就是我們這個港務公司所提出的計畫就是從布袋到東石我們可以再放一個影片\n\n25\n00:10:08,427 --> 00:10:31,363\n那這一段,基本上這是台灣一個很特別的地方,因為我們布袋跟東石,大概就是全台灣,這池額最多,我們這裡都是蚵棚,所以一望無際的蚵棚,所以我們也希望從布袋的第三漁港,那可以拉一個海上纜車,直接接到東石的白水湖,白水湖就是我剛剛看的這個景觀,\n\n26\n00:10:32,063 --> 00:10:55,422\n他的景觀他除了傳統的西洋然後有海洋之外呢剩下的就是他家的磕棚的磕棚所造成的這個樹大就是美的一個景觀那布袋根到東石這一段他又有一個先天上的優勢就是現在要去培養七座的為布袋長高童村去培養一年大概有60萬的人次而且還在成長中\n\n27\n00:10:56,260 --> 00:11:10,604\n那我剛剛講的事實上韓國那三個纜車你說不管是幕府纜車或者是綠水纜車知道他們每一年的載客數就是一百萬那我們已經有一個條件就是說如果我們可以把這六十萬人做一個基數\n\n28\n00:11:19,110 --> 00:11:48,098\n那不帶到東石的這個纜車基本上就有這些人可以然後再加上它因為觀光效益帶起來的會更多人來使用所以我也覺得說以效益評估來說這也是一個應該是要去考慮要來努力爭取看看的但是在效益評估的時候還是有它的自償率的問題還是有這樣的問題所以基本上每一次卡帶效益評估然後因為講到的自償率哇那就好困難\n\n29\n00:11:49,396 --> 00:12:03,705\n那我是覺得說交通部在規劃這個纜車計畫的時候我們壓心做得比較大我們既然要發展觀光這一些景觀既然是好的景觀我們平原看有不一樣的特色\n\n30\n00:12:06,172 --> 00:12:32,457\n兩星期我就要騎水車水上摩托車到澎湖事實上我最近也在看說當我騎水上摩托車在看台灣島的時候又有不一樣的感受從空中看有他的感覺從海邊看有他的感覺他露臉看也有露臉的感覺不然我們現在就是騎空中這台啊空中這台沒有啊這台咧要政府來塞啊要我們交通部我們的觀光為了發展觀光大力塞到內嘛\n\n31\n00:12:33,689 --> 00:12:52,359\n好不好部長報告委員您剛剛所秀出來的這個影像看得出來那個地方真的非常漂亮所以如果能夠建置完成的話它一定會是一個非常有觀光效益的地方所以那個自償率我剛剛有提過就是說不一定從交通的角度去看應該是從未來整體的觀光效益來思考\n\n32\n00:12:52,859 --> 00:13:00,303\n那不過這個地方其實我們希望來推我也會親自再下去看一下看要怎麼去推你有機會來我帶你去賣一個36萬賣一個36萬賣了再帶來我們海口吃蚵仔我們剛剛在看海邊的這個有比較大的問題我目前所理解\n\n33\n00:13:11,989 --> 00:13:32,320\n第一我們台灣是有颱風的地方所以海邊相對風險高一點第二有東北季風的問題那第三因為剛剛那個漂亮的濕地我們台灣現在對於生態的保育部長我相信颱風當然是一個因素啦但是你想想看在沖繩宮古島他們所面對的颱風的壓力這個我先下去看不會亞於我們啦所以我是覺得說部長所說的就是\n\n34\n00:13:35,422 --> 00:13:58,028\n技術的問題用地的問題還有環境敏感區的問題這個我們把它克服掉我們也不能去破壞它這麼漂亮的地方如果增加觀光絕對是好事我覺得我們勇敢的把它跨出去天人合一的方式怎麼樣來進行最後一分鐘事實上我還是蠻擔心這個4100億現在行政院所提出來的這個計畫\n\n35\n00:13:59,548 --> 00:14:18,786\n那這個計畫我希望要在最快的速度趕快把它完成三讀那事實上院長事實上你也是有去拜會了國民黨團那也有去拜會了民進黨團所以藍白你都已經走過了那到底有沒有辦法在今天取得這一個他們的一個承諾不負意勒\n\n36\n00:14:21,150 --> 00:14:35,116\n很欣慰剛剛已經聽到已經復委那是不是今天能夠取得這個不復議的大家的協議我想朝野還在繼續努力當中讓我們很樂見也樂觀這個成果能夠往好的方向走特別拜託召委\n\n37\n00:14:38,918 --> 00:15:03,334\n我希望我下禮拜就可以來擺我現在下禮拜三天我都還是把它空下來我就是希望說這個要趕快處理因為現在產業憂心農業也憂心我一直強調這個為產業取命工業農業還有讓人民安心盡快把它推出來之後我們就可以以後編特別預算據時的來詳列預算的內容那麼合理的來執行\n\n38\n00:15:04,534 --> 00:15:18,341\n好好的讓受到大院的監督事實上你所編的這四千一百億每一個都很重要幫台灣打外銷通路啊如何在這個時候做金融的支持啊這都叫命錢啦大行都叫命錢啦所以我覺得這太重要了我們希望國民黨民眾黨就下午時間趕快簽一簽我們下禮拜就來處理好謝謝蔡議員的質詢謝謝左院長交通部長的備詢謝謝\n\n39\n00:15:33,052 --> 00:15:36,062\n接下來登記第六位吳秉瑞委員之質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n870\t8635\t謝謝院長那我們是不是有請卓院長以及我們交通部我們陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢蔡委員好院長好院長首先我先放一段影片給你看一下一些景觀來影片播放一下\n41490\t57057\t那影片雖然很短但是它是韓國這十年內它蓋了三個海上纜車那首先包括韓國松島的海上纜車韓國幕府的海上纜車跟韓國麗水的海上纜車松島這個海上纜車在2017年幕府在2019年那麗水咧 早一點 2014年\n66201\t90114\t那他們都是在海上攔車他們除了說島對島的對接之外事實上他們也是要注重他們整體的一個景觀然後可以讓遊客很方便的可以從高空眺望差不多這個風景區最漂亮的地方那同樣的我這邊有列出來的你看在日本沖繩的宮古島\n93097\t117690\t它也有一個登山纜車這是在日本宮古島它是在2016年啟用的所以都是在10年內那最近呢再往後面拉日本的香根纜車在2002年它有再做一個更新這個是比較老的它主要是要眺望富士山所以它基本上它是看這個火山地形的那越南越南\n118868\t141884\t他在復國島2018年他啟用了一個目前的經史紀錄就是目前世界上最長的跨海纜車那是從復國島的本島到他一個鄉島這樣的一個海山纜車然後你從這個畫面你看到這個海山纜車在行駛的時候下面有數以百計千計的船隻在移動\n142805\t164180\t哇 樹大就是美所以在坐這個海上纜車就會有一種 哇 這個旅遊然後會有一種很壯觀然後覺得來這裡不需此行的一個感覺好 那我們再看一下數據上的一個分析來 你看日本差不多有170條空中的一個纜車這樣代表的就是我剛講的這個香根可以看富士山的這個纜車韓國有41條纜車在營運中\n169891\t181602\t其中他們最近努力的在興建這個海上的一個纜車中國很多 中國這個數量也很多越南有26條觀光纜車再講一個歐洲的法國法國有50條觀光纜車那台灣呢 台灣就是5條貓纜 烏來纜車 九族文化村\n193595\t199641\t日月潭纜車跟遠雄海洋公園在花蓮這些每一個纜車都超過20年了\n202079\t222709\t所以表示說臺灣在這20年來我們就少了發展觀光的比較大的一些野心明明臺灣有很多漂亮的風景但是有很多很好的景是值得我們利用高空的眺望然後你坐到這個纜車內就可以看到有這麼漂亮的一個地方結果臺灣這20年來卻缺少了這樣興建纜車的一個計畫那我想先請教一下院長這是不是很可惜啊\n231929\t251636\t台灣這五條纜車我最近坐過的就是九族文化村九族文化村跟在地面走跟在纜車看完全是不同的景觀當然啊在高峰看的話你可以看得更遠一目了然可以看得清楚一目了然可以看到那個視野是不一樣的我覺得每個國家纜車都成為觀光的一個重點\n252537\t280024\t很多人排隊等著搭乘這個纜車那台灣這幾條有的是地方政府有的是業者本身來發展的那未來是不是交通部有新的規劃或是委員的建議我們再來考量好 所以我現在這是起個頭那我們再回溯看一下這20年又發生了什麼事這20年我們嘉義在我們彰化縣我們前縣長的時候他有提出一個計畫就是阿里山纜車計畫\n281274\t307880\t他希望為阿里山達靠到本紀河本紀河就到阿里山阿是另外一個維修道有一個路線那這個也是希望說因為本質上你要搭上阿里山在交通上就困難那過去都用小火車不然就是直接塞車去所以有一個纜車然後你可以隨時空中去看阿里山這不一樣所以當時這樣一個阿里山的一個纜車計畫失敗了\n310356\t335762\t那失敗是什麼 說他自償率不夠經費高 自償率不夠然後第二個 他替代交通的功能太少了就是公車的車流量沒那麼多啦那時候就有人說車流量沒那麼多 因為車流量沒那麼多所以我就不需要再開三十幾個 再去騎一個纜車然後來作為他替代交通的選擇當時就這樣 阿里山纜車計畫就無疾而終了各位朋友 時針\n338374\t360037\t這個是最早台灣要興建海上纜車的一個布局雖然沒有把 實際在海上 可是它卻是一個港區的 跨港的它就是要從高雄港 從它的哈馬興要接到旗津的海洋公園 再把它接到八五大樓哇 這個想像上也會很漂亮\n361127\t389468\t想像上很漂亮 結果卻因為有部分是國軍的土地那有部分咧 這個 跟民團因為已經要跨港啊你會開那個樽子在那照 他們有意見哇 又失敗了高雄這案也失敗了所以我們知道這20年來 有這樣山區的纜車大家有去想到在海也有人去想到 這兩案都失敗了所以我們就覺得說 哇 這樣很歐啊\n390612\t394217\t那我們現在我們也鍥而不捨我們現在嘉義縣還有兩個案第一個就是嘉義梅山我們現在希望咧因為梅山現在有太平雲梯\n405994\t432247\t那梅山,我們大家也知道他那個景觀很漂亮直接可以從太平雲梯那裡遠眺望,直接可以看到了澎湖甚至可以看到澎湖發火節的時候,他那邊的煙火在那邊啪如果這個能見度沒那麼多霧的時候,他一看就看得到他所以這個點很好,但是要去梅山太平雲梯,多辛苦啊\n433834\t441719\t你們有去過嗎 院長跟部長 你們可以去一座看看那裡有一個魔鬼36彎 連續36個髮夾彎這個如果有那個跑山的賽車手 我們是不推薦啦因為那個路真的是 連續36個髮夾彎\n457455\t459538\t所以我們現在的想法就是這樣如果我們可以從\n475299\t503594\t因為他的骨骼中央就是現在的13樓的停車場然後直接把他拉到太平雲梯的服務中心這個他從海拔20公尺直接拉到海拔1000公尺第一個應該有符合交通部所講的他有替代交通的功能現在要站在那裡很辛苦第二個這裡的可以創造的觀光效益嚇死人啦 真的很多\n504895\t510558\t我想要跟長官補充我們這台三輪車的價位可以讓我們支持一下嗎報告委員交通部其實在112年有協助地方政府來針對這個意見這個想法來做現場的會刊也實地的勘查過這個東西也跟地方有初步交換過意見這個部分我會繼續來協助不過\n532089\t546782\t到底到最後要不要蓋成本多少我認為剛剛委員講的沒有錯不要只有思考交通的需求而已還要思考觀光的效益所以整體的自償率或者是一本筆等等的應該要把觀光也列進來\n547623\t571950\t那可行的這個程度就會比較高一點那不過這個部分還是以地方政府為主導其實我們台中我來自台中台中也曾經討論過大坑的纜車那個時候也是說希望由捷運到大坑那邊之後再由纜車接上去那這個也是到最後無疾而終我認為非常可惜那這個部分當然交通部的立場是一定協助地方那看地方需要什麼樣的協助我們一定會來幫忙\n575190\t589687\t還有另外一個是由我們布袋港務公司也就是我們這個港務公司所提出的計畫就是從布袋到東石我們可以再放一個影片\n608427\t631363\t那這一段,基本上這是台灣一個很特別的地方,因為我們布袋跟東石,大概就是全台灣,這池額最多,我們這裡都是蚵棚,所以一望無際的蚵棚,所以我們也希望從布袋的第三漁港,那可以拉一個海上纜車,直接接到東石的白水湖,白水湖就是我剛剛看的這個景觀,\n632063\t655422\t他的景觀他除了傳統的西洋然後有海洋之外呢剩下的就是他家的磕棚的磕棚所造成的這個樹大就是美的一個景觀那布袋根到東石這一段他又有一個先天上的優勢就是現在要去培養七座的為布袋長高童村去培養一年大概有60萬的人次而且還在成長中\n656260\t670604\t那我剛剛講的事實上韓國那三個纜車你說不管是幕府纜車或者是綠水纜車知道他們每一年的載客數就是一百萬那我們已經有一個條件就是說如果我們可以把這六十萬人做一個基數\n679110\t708098\t那不帶到東石的這個纜車基本上就有這些人可以然後再加上它因為觀光效益帶起來的會更多人來使用所以我也覺得說以效益評估來說這也是一個應該是要去考慮要來努力爭取看看的但是在效益評估的時候還是有它的自償率的問題還是有這樣的問題所以基本上每一次卡帶效益評估然後因為講到的自償率哇 那就好困難\n709396\t723705\t那我是覺得說交通部在規劃這個纜車計畫的時候我們壓心做得比較大我們既然要發展觀光這一些景觀既然是好的景觀我們平原看有不一樣的特色\n726172\t752457\t兩星期我就要騎水車 水上摩托車到澎湖事實上我最近也在看說 當我騎水上摩托車在看台灣島的時候 又有不一樣的感受從空中看有他的感覺 從海邊看有他的感覺他露臉看也有露臉的感覺 不然我們現在就是騎空中這台啊空中這台沒有 啊這台咧 要政府來塞啊要我們交通部 我們的觀光 為了發展觀光大力塞到內嘛\n753689\t772359\t好不好 部長報告委員您剛剛所秀出來的這個影像看得出來那個地方真的非常漂亮所以如果能夠建置完成的話它一定會是一個非常有觀光效益的地方所以那個自償率我剛剛有提過就是說不一定從交通的角度去看應該是從未來整體的觀光效益來思考\n772859\t780303\t那不過這個地方其實我們希望來推我也會親自再下去看一下看要怎麼去推你有機會來我帶你去賣一個36萬賣一個36萬賣了再帶來我們海口吃蚵仔我們剛剛在看海邊的這個有比較大的問題我目前所理解\n791989\t812320\t第一我們台灣是有颱風的地方所以海邊相對風險高一點第二有東北季風的問題那第三因為剛剛那個漂亮的濕地我們台灣現在對於生態的保育部長我相信颱風當然是一個因素啦但是你想想看在沖繩宮古島他們所面對的颱風的壓力這個我先下去看不會亞於我們啦所以我是覺得說部長所說的就是\n815422\t838028\t技術的問題 用地的問題 還有環境敏感區的問題這個我們把它克服掉 我們也不能去破壞它這麼漂亮的地方 如果增加觀光絕對是好事我覺得我們勇敢的把它跨出去天人合一的方式怎麼樣來進行最後一分鐘 事實上我還是蠻擔心這個4100億現在行政院所提出來的這個計畫\n839548\t858786\t那這個計畫我希望要在最快的速度趕快把它完成三讀那事實上院長事實上你也是有去拜會了國民黨團那也有去拜會了民進黨團所以藍白你都已經走過了那到底有沒有辦法在今天取得這一個他們的一個承諾不負意勒\n861150\t875116\t很欣慰剛剛已經聽到已經復委那是不是今天能夠取得這個不復議的大家的協議我想朝野還在繼續努力當中讓我們很樂見也樂觀這個成果能夠往好的方向走特別拜託召委\n878918\t903334\t我希望我下禮拜就可以來擺我現在下禮拜三天我都還是把它空下來我就是希望說這個要趕快處理因為現在產業憂心 農業也憂心我一直強調這個為產業取命工業農業 還有讓人民安心盡快把它推出來之後我們就可以以後編特別預算據時的來詳列預算的內容那麼合理的來執行\n904534\t918341\t好好的讓受到大院的監督事實上你所編的這四千一百億每一個都很重要幫台灣打外銷通路啊如何在這個時候做金融的支持啊這都叫命錢啦大行都叫命錢啦所以我覺得這太重要了我們希望國民黨 民眾黨就下午時間趕快簽一簽我們下禮拜就來處理好 謝謝蔡議員的質詢謝謝左院長 交通部長的備詢 謝謝\n933052\t936062\t接下來登記第六位吳秉瑞委員之質詢\n","txt":"謝謝院長那我們是不是有請卓院長以及我們交通部我們陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢蔡委員好院長好院長首先我先放一段影片給你看一下一些景觀來影片播放一下\n那影片雖然很短但是它是韓國這十年內它蓋了三個海上纜車那首先包括韓國松島的海上纜車韓國幕府的海上纜車跟韓國麗水的海上纜車松島這個海上纜車在2017年幕府在2019年那麗水咧 早一點 2014年\n那他們都是在海上攔車他們除了說島對島的對接之外事實上他們也是要注重他們整體的一個景觀然後可以讓遊客很方便的可以從高空眺望差不多這個風景區最漂亮的地方那同樣的我這邊有列出來的你看在日本沖繩的宮古島\n它也有一個登山纜車這是在日本宮古島它是在2016年啟用的所以都是在10年內那最近呢再往後面拉日本的香根纜車在2002年它有再做一個更新這個是比較老的它主要是要眺望富士山所以它基本上它是看這個火山地形的那越南越南\n他在復國島2018年他啟用了一個目前的經史紀錄就是目前世界上最長的跨海纜車那是從復國島的本島到他一個鄉島這樣的一個海山纜車然後你從這個畫面你看到這個海山纜車在行駛的時候下面有數以百計千計的船隻在移動\n哇 樹大就是美所以在坐這個海上纜車就會有一種 哇 這個旅遊然後會有一種很壯觀然後覺得來這裡不需此行的一個感覺好 那我們再看一下數據上的一個分析來 你看日本差不多有170條空中的一個纜車這樣代表的就是我剛講的這個香根可以看富士山的這個纜車韓國有41條纜車在營運中\n其中他們最近努力的在興建這個海上的一個纜車中國很多 中國這個數量也很多越南有26條觀光纜車再講一個歐洲的法國法國有50條觀光纜車那台灣呢 台灣就是5條貓纜 烏來纜車 九族文化村\n日月潭纜車跟遠雄海洋公園在花蓮這些每一個纜車都超過20年了\n所以表示說臺灣在這20年來我們就少了發展觀光的比較大的一些野心明明臺灣有很多漂亮的風景但是有很多很好的景是值得我們利用高空的眺望然後你坐到這個纜車內就可以看到有這麼漂亮的一個地方結果臺灣這20年來卻缺少了這樣興建纜車的一個計畫那我想先請教一下院長這是不是很可惜啊\n台灣這五條纜車我最近坐過的就是九族文化村九族文化村跟在地面走跟在纜車看完全是不同的景觀當然啊在高峰看的話你可以看得更遠一目了然可以看得清楚一目了然可以看到那個視野是不一樣的我覺得每個國家纜車都成為觀光的一個重點\n很多人排隊等著搭乘這個纜車那台灣這幾條有的是地方政府有的是業者本身來發展的那未來是不是交通部有新的規劃或是委員的建議我們再來考量好 所以我現在這是起個頭那我們再回溯看一下這20年又發生了什麼事這20年我們嘉義在我們彰化縣我們前縣長的時候他有提出一個計畫就是阿里山纜車計畫\n他希望為阿里山達靠到本紀河本紀河就到阿里山阿是另外一個維修道有一個路線那這個也是希望說因為本質上你要搭上阿里山在交通上就困難那過去都用小火車不然就是直接塞車去所以有一個纜車然後你可以隨時空中去看阿里山這不一樣所以當時這樣一個阿里山的一個纜車計畫失敗了\n那失敗是什麼 說他自償率不夠經費高 自償率不夠然後第二個 他替代交通的功能太少了就是公車的車流量沒那麼多啦那時候就有人說車流量沒那麼多 因為車流量沒那麼多所以我就不需要再開三十幾個 再去騎一個纜車然後來作為他替代交通的選擇當時就這樣 阿里山纜車計畫就無疾而終了各位朋友 時針\n這個是最早台灣要興建海上纜車的一個布局雖然沒有把 實際在海上 可是它卻是一個港區的 跨港的它就是要從高雄港 從它的哈馬興要接到旗津的海洋公園 再把它接到八五大樓哇 這個想像上也會很漂亮\n想像上很漂亮 結果卻因為有部分是國軍的土地那有部分咧 這個 跟民團因為已經要跨港啊你會開那個樽子在那照 他們有意見哇 又失敗了高雄這案也失敗了所以我們知道這20年來 有這樣山區的纜車大家有去想到在海也有人去想到 這兩案都失敗了所以我們就覺得說 哇 這樣很歐啊\n那我們現在我們也鍥而不捨我們現在嘉義縣還有兩個案第一個就是嘉義梅山我們現在希望咧因為梅山現在有太平雲梯\n那梅山,我們大家也知道他那個景觀很漂亮直接可以從太平雲梯那裡遠眺望,直接可以看到了澎湖甚至可以看到澎湖發火節的時候,他那邊的煙火在那邊啪如果這個能見度沒那麼多霧的時候,他一看就看得到他所以這個點很好,但是要去梅山太平雲梯,多辛苦啊\n你們有去過嗎 院長跟部長 你們可以去一座看看那裡有一個魔鬼36彎 連續36個髮夾彎這個如果有那個跑山的賽車手 我們是不推薦啦因為那個路真的是 連續36個髮夾彎\n所以我們現在的想法就是這樣如果我們可以從\n因為他的骨骼中央就是現在的13樓的停車場然後直接把他拉到太平雲梯的服務中心這個他從海拔20公尺直接拉到海拔1000公尺第一個應該有符合交通部所講的他有替代交通的功能現在要站在那裡很辛苦第二個這裡的可以創造的觀光效益嚇死人啦 真的很多\n我想要跟長官補充我們這台三輪車的價位可以讓我們支持一下嗎報告委員交通部其實在112年有協助地方政府來針對這個意見這個想法來做現場的會刊也實地的勘查過這個東西也跟地方有初步交換過意見這個部分我會繼續來協助不過\n到底到最後要不要蓋成本多少我認為剛剛委員講的沒有錯不要只有思考交通的需求而已還要思考觀光的效益所以整體的自償率或者是一本筆等等的應該要把觀光也列進來\n那可行的這個程度就會比較高一點那不過這個部分還是以地方政府為主導其實我們台中我來自台中台中也曾經討論過大坑的纜車那個時候也是說希望由捷運到大坑那邊之後再由纜車接上去那這個也是到最後無疾而終我認為非常可惜那這個部分當然交通部的立場是一定協助地方那看地方需要什麼樣的協助我們一定會來幫忙\n還有另外一個是由我們布袋港務公司也就是我們這個港務公司所提出的計畫就是從布袋到東石我們可以再放一個影片\n那這一段,基本上這是台灣一個很特別的地方,因為我們布袋跟東石,大概就是全台灣,這池額最多,我們這裡都是蚵棚,所以一望無際的蚵棚,所以我們也希望從布袋的第三漁港,那可以拉一個海上纜車,直接接到東石的白水湖,白水湖就是我剛剛看的這個景觀,\n他的景觀他除了傳統的西洋然後有海洋之外呢剩下的就是他家的磕棚的磕棚所造成的這個樹大就是美的一個景觀那布袋根到東石這一段他又有一個先天上的優勢就是現在要去培養七座的為布袋長高童村去培養一年大概有60萬的人次而且還在成長中\n那我剛剛講的事實上韓國那三個纜車你說不管是幕府纜車或者是綠水纜車知道他們每一年的載客數就是一百萬那我們已經有一個條件就是說如果我們可以把這六十萬人做一個基數\n那不帶到東石的這個纜車基本上就有這些人可以然後再加上它因為觀光效益帶起來的會更多人來使用所以我也覺得說以效益評估來說這也是一個應該是要去考慮要來努力爭取看看的但是在效益評估的時候還是有它的自償率的問題還是有這樣的問題所以基本上每一次卡帶效益評估然後因為講到的自償率哇 那就好困難\n那我是覺得說交通部在規劃這個纜車計畫的時候我們壓心做得比較大我們既然要發展觀光這一些景觀既然是好的景觀我們平原看有不一樣的特色\n兩星期我就要騎水車 水上摩托車到澎湖事實上我最近也在看說 當我騎水上摩托車在看台灣島的時候 又有不一樣的感受從空中看有他的感覺 從海邊看有他的感覺他露臉看也有露臉的感覺 不然我們現在就是騎空中這台啊空中這台沒有 啊這台咧 要政府來塞啊要我們交通部 我們的觀光 為了發展觀光大力塞到內嘛\n好不好 部長報告委員您剛剛所秀出來的這個影像看得出來那個地方真的非常漂亮所以如果能夠建置完成的話它一定會是一個非常有觀光效益的地方所以那個自償率我剛剛有提過就是說不一定從交通的角度去看應該是從未來整體的觀光效益來思考\n那不過這個地方其實我們希望來推我也會親自再下去看一下看要怎麼去推你有機會來我帶你去賣一個36萬賣一個36萬賣了再帶來我們海口吃蚵仔我們剛剛在看海邊的這個有比較大的問題我目前所理解\n第一我們台灣是有颱風的地方所以海邊相對風險高一點第二有東北季風的問題那第三因為剛剛那個漂亮的濕地我們台灣現在對於生態的保育部長我相信颱風當然是一個因素啦但是你想想看在沖繩宮古島他們所面對的颱風的壓力這個我先下去看不會亞於我們啦所以我是覺得說部長所說的就是\n技術的問題 用地的問題 還有環境敏感區的問題這個我們把它克服掉 我們也不能去破壞它這麼漂亮的地方 如果增加觀光絕對是好事我覺得我們勇敢的把它跨出去天人合一的方式怎麼樣來進行最後一分鐘 事實上我還是蠻擔心這個4100億現在行政院所提出來的這個計畫\n那這個計畫我希望要在最快的速度趕快把它完成三讀那事實上院長事實上你也是有去拜會了國民黨團那也有去拜會了民進黨團所以藍白你都已經走過了那到底有沒有辦法在今天取得這一個他們的一個承諾不負意勒\n很欣慰剛剛已經聽到已經復委那是不是今天能夠取得這個不復議的大家的協議我想朝野還在繼續努力當中讓我們很樂見也樂觀這個成果能夠往好的方向走特別拜託召委\n我希望我下禮拜就可以來擺我現在下禮拜三天我都還是把它空下來我就是希望說這個要趕快處理因為現在產業憂心 農業也憂心我一直強調這個為產業取命工業農業 還有讓人民安心盡快把它推出來之後我們就可以以後編特別預算據時的來詳列預算的內容那麼合理的來執行\n好好的讓受到大院的監督事實上你所編的這四千一百億每一個都很重要幫台灣打外銷通路啊如何在這個時候做金融的支持啊這都叫命錢啦大行都叫命錢啦所以我覺得這太重要了我們希望國民黨 民眾黨就下午時間趕快簽一簽我們下禮拜就來處理好 謝謝蔡議員的質詢謝謝左院長 交通部長的備詢 謝謝\n接下來登記第六位吳秉瑞委員之質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.870 --> 00:08.635\n謝謝院長那我們是不是有請卓院長以及我們交通部我們陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢蔡委員好院長好院長首先我先放一段影片給你看一下一些景觀來影片播放一下\n\n00:41.490 --> 00:57.057\n那影片雖然很短但是它是韓國這十年內它蓋了三個海上纜車那首先包括韓國松島的海上纜車韓國幕府的海上纜車跟韓國麗水的海上纜車松島這個海上纜車在2017年幕府在2019年那麗水咧早一點2014年\n\n01:06.201 --> 01:30.114\n那他們都是在海上攔車他們除了說島對島的對接之外事實上他們也是要注重他們整體的一個景觀然後可以讓遊客很方便的可以從高空眺望差不多這個風景區最漂亮的地方那同樣的我這邊有列出來的你看在日本沖繩的宮古島\n\n01:33.097 --> 01:57.690\n它也有一個登山纜車這是在日本宮古島它是在2016年啟用的所以都是在10年內那最近呢再往後面拉日本的香根纜車在2002年它有再做一個更新這個是比較老的它主要是要眺望富士山所以它基本上它是看這個火山地形的那越南越南\n\n01:58.868 --> 02:21.884\n他在復國島2018年他啟用了一個目前的經史紀錄就是目前世界上最長的跨海纜車那是從復國島的本島到他一個鄉島這樣的一個海山纜車然後你從這個畫面你看到這個海山纜車在行駛的時候下面有數以百計千計的船隻在移動\n\n02:22.805 --> 02:44.180\n哇樹大就是美所以在坐這個海上纜車就會有一種哇這個旅遊然後會有一種很壯觀然後覺得來這裡不需此行的一個感覺好那我們再看一下數據上的一個分析來你看日本差不多有170條空中的一個纜車這樣代表的就是我剛講的這個香根可以看富士山的這個纜車韓國有41條纜車在營運中\n\n02:49.891 --> 03:01.602\n其中他們最近努力的在興建這個海上的一個纜車中國很多中國這個數量也很多越南有26條觀光纜車再講一個歐洲的法國法國有50條觀光纜車那台灣呢台灣就是5條貓纜烏來纜車九族文化村\n\n03:13.595 --> 03:19.641\n日月潭纜車跟遠雄海洋公園在花蓮這些每一個纜車都超過20年了\n\n03:22.079 --> 03:42.709\n所以表示說臺灣在這20年來我們就少了發展觀光的比較大的一些野心明明臺灣有很多漂亮的風景但是有很多很好的景是值得我們利用高空的眺望然後你坐到這個纜車內就可以看到有這麼漂亮的一個地方結果臺灣這20年來卻缺少了這樣興建纜車的一個計畫那我想先請教一下院長這是不是很可惜啊\n\n03:51.929 --> 04:11.636\n台灣這五條纜車我最近坐過的就是九族文化村九族文化村跟在地面走跟在纜車看完全是不同的景觀當然啊在高峰看的話你可以看得更遠一目了然可以看得清楚一目了然可以看到那個視野是不一樣的我覺得每個國家纜車都成為觀光的一個重點\n\n04:12.537 --> 04:40.024\n很多人排隊等著搭乘這個纜車那台灣這幾條有的是地方政府有的是業者本身來發展的那未來是不是交通部有新的規劃或是委員的建議我們再來考量好所以我現在這是起個頭那我們再回溯看一下這20年又發生了什麼事這20年我們嘉義在我們彰化縣我們前縣長的時候他有提出一個計畫就是阿里山纜車計畫\n\n04:41.274 --> 05:07.880\n他希望為阿里山達靠到本紀河本紀河就到阿里山阿是另外一個維修道有一個路線那這個也是希望說因為本質上你要搭上阿里山在交通上就困難那過去都用小火車不然就是直接塞車去所以有一個纜車然後你可以隨時空中去看阿里山這不一樣所以當時這樣一個阿里山的一個纜車計畫失敗了\n\n05:10.356 --> 05:35.762\n那失敗是什麼說他自償率不夠經費高自償率不夠然後第二個他替代交通的功能太少了就是公車的車流量沒那麼多啦那時候就有人說車流量沒那麼多因為車流量沒那麼多所以我就不需要再開三十幾個再去騎一個纜車然後來作為他替代交通的選擇當時就這樣阿里山纜車計畫就無疾而終了各位朋友時針\n\n05:38.374 --> 06:00.037\n這個是最早台灣要興建海上纜車的一個布局雖然沒有把實際在海上可是它卻是一個港區的跨港的它就是要從高雄港從它的哈馬興要接到旗津的海洋公園再把它接到八五大樓哇這個想像上也會很漂亮\n\n06:01.127 --> 06:29.468\n想像上很漂亮結果卻因為有部分是國軍的土地那有部分咧這個跟民團因為已經要跨港啊你會開那個樽子在那照他們有意見哇又失敗了高雄這案也失敗了所以我們知道這20年來有這樣山區的纜車大家有去想到在海也有人去想到這兩案都失敗了所以我們就覺得說哇這樣很歐啊\n\n06:30.612 --> 06:34.217\n那我們現在我們也鍥而不捨我們現在嘉義縣還有兩個案第一個就是嘉義梅山我們現在希望咧因為梅山現在有太平雲梯\n\n06:45.994 --> 07:12.247\n那梅山,我們大家也知道他那個景觀很漂亮直接可以從太平雲梯那裡遠眺望,直接可以看到了澎湖甚至可以看到澎湖發火節的時候,他那邊的煙火在那邊啪如果這個能見度沒那麼多霧的時候,他一看就看得到他所以這個點很好,但是要去梅山太平雲梯,多辛苦啊\n\n07:13.834 --> 07:21.719\n你們有去過嗎院長跟部長你們可以去一座看看那裡有一個魔鬼36彎連續36個髮夾彎這個如果有那個跑山的賽車手我們是不推薦啦因為那個路真的是連續36個髮夾彎\n\n07:37.455 --> 07:39.538\n所以我們現在的想法就是這樣如果我們可以從\n\n07:55.299 --> 08:23.594\n因為他的骨骼中央就是現在的13樓的停車場然後直接把他拉到太平雲梯的服務中心這個他從海拔20公尺直接拉到海拔1000公尺第一個應該有符合交通部所講的他有替代交通的功能現在要站在那裡很辛苦第二個這裡的可以創造的觀光效益嚇死人啦真的很多\n\n08:24.895 --> 08:30.558\n我想要跟長官補充我們這台三輪車的價位可以讓我們支持一下嗎報告委員交通部其實在112年有協助地方政府來針對這個意見這個想法來做現場的會刊也實地的勘查過這個東西也跟地方有初步交換過意見這個部分我會繼續來協助不過\n\n08:52.089 --> 09:06.782\n到底到最後要不要蓋成本多少我認為剛剛委員講的沒有錯不要只有思考交通的需求而已還要思考觀光的效益所以整體的自償率或者是一本筆等等的應該要把觀光也列進來\n\n09:07.623 --> 09:31.950\n那可行的這個程度就會比較高一點那不過這個部分還是以地方政府為主導其實我們台中我來自台中台中也曾經討論過大坑的纜車那個時候也是說希望由捷運到大坑那邊之後再由纜車接上去那這個也是到最後無疾而終我認為非常可惜那這個部分當然交通部的立場是一定協助地方那看地方需要什麼樣的協助我們一定會來幫忙\n\n09:35.190 --> 09:49.687\n還有另外一個是由我們布袋港務公司也就是我們這個港務公司所提出的計畫就是從布袋到東石我們可以再放一個影片\n\n10:08.427 --> 10:31.363\n那這一段,基本上這是台灣一個很特別的地方,因為我們布袋跟東石,大概就是全台灣,這池額最多,我們這裡都是蚵棚,所以一望無際的蚵棚,所以我們也希望從布袋的第三漁港,那可以拉一個海上纜車,直接接到東石的白水湖,白水湖就是我剛剛看的這個景觀,\n\n10:32.063 --> 10:55.422\n他的景觀他除了傳統的西洋然後有海洋之外呢剩下的就是他家的磕棚的磕棚所造成的這個樹大就是美的一個景觀那布袋根到東石這一段他又有一個先天上的優勢就是現在要去培養七座的為布袋長高童村去培養一年大概有60萬的人次而且還在成長中\n\n10:56.260 --> 11:10.604\n那我剛剛講的事實上韓國那三個纜車你說不管是幕府纜車或者是綠水纜車知道他們每一年的載客數就是一百萬那我們已經有一個條件就是說如果我們可以把這六十萬人做一個基數\n\n11:19.110 --> 11:48.098\n那不帶到東石的這個纜車基本上就有這些人可以然後再加上它因為觀光效益帶起來的會更多人來使用所以我也覺得說以效益評估來說這也是一個應該是要去考慮要來努力爭取看看的但是在效益評估的時候還是有它的自償率的問題還是有這樣的問題所以基本上每一次卡帶效益評估然後因為講到的自償率哇那就好困難\n\n11:49.396 --> 12:03.705\n那我是覺得說交通部在規劃這個纜車計畫的時候我們壓心做得比較大我們既然要發展觀光這一些景觀既然是好的景觀我們平原看有不一樣的特色\n\n12:06.172 --> 12:32.457\n兩星期我就要騎水車水上摩托車到澎湖事實上我最近也在看說當我騎水上摩托車在看台灣島的時候又有不一樣的感受從空中看有他的感覺從海邊看有他的感覺他露臉看也有露臉的感覺不然我們現在就是騎空中這台啊空中這台沒有啊這台咧要政府來塞啊要我們交通部我們的觀光為了發展觀光大力塞到內嘛\n\n12:33.689 --> 12:52.359\n好不好部長報告委員您剛剛所秀出來的這個影像看得出來那個地方真的非常漂亮所以如果能夠建置完成的話它一定會是一個非常有觀光效益的地方所以那個自償率我剛剛有提過就是說不一定從交通的角度去看應該是從未來整體的觀光效益來思考\n\n12:52.859 --> 13:00.303\n那不過這個地方其實我們希望來推我也會親自再下去看一下看要怎麼去推你有機會來我帶你去賣一個36萬賣一個36萬賣了再帶來我們海口吃蚵仔我們剛剛在看海邊的這個有比較大的問題我目前所理解\n\n13:11.989 --> 13:32.320\n第一我們台灣是有颱風的地方所以海邊相對風險高一點第二有東北季風的問題那第三因為剛剛那個漂亮的濕地我們台灣現在對於生態的保育部長我相信颱風當然是一個因素啦但是你想想看在沖繩宮古島他們所面對的颱風的壓力這個我先下去看不會亞於我們啦所以我是覺得說部長所說的就是\n\n13:35.422 --> 13:58.028\n技術的問題用地的問題還有環境敏感區的問題這個我們把它克服掉我們也不能去破壞它這麼漂亮的地方如果增加觀光絕對是好事我覺得我們勇敢的把它跨出去天人合一的方式怎麼樣來進行最後一分鐘事實上我還是蠻擔心這個4100億現在行政院所提出來的這個計畫\n\n13:59.548 --> 14:18.786\n那這個計畫我希望要在最快的速度趕快把它完成三讀那事實上院長事實上你也是有去拜會了國民黨團那也有去拜會了民進黨團所以藍白你都已經走過了那到底有沒有辦法在今天取得這一個他們的一個承諾不負意勒\n\n14:21.150 --> 14:35.116\n很欣慰剛剛已經聽到已經復委那是不是今天能夠取得這個不復議的大家的協議我想朝野還在繼續努力當中讓我們很樂見也樂觀這個成果能夠往好的方向走特別拜託召委\n\n14:38.918 --> 15:03.334\n我希望我下禮拜就可以來擺我現在下禮拜三天我都還是把它空下來我就是希望說這個要趕快處理因為現在產業憂心農業也憂心我一直強調這個為產業取命工業農業還有讓人民安心盡快把它推出來之後我們就可以以後編特別預算據時的來詳列預算的內容那麼合理的來執行\n\n15:04.534 --> 15:18.341\n好好的讓受到大院的監督事實上你所編的這四千一百億每一個都很重要幫台灣打外銷通路啊如何在這個時候做金融的支持啊這都叫命錢啦大行都叫命錢啦所以我覺得這太重要了我們希望國民黨民眾黨就下午時間趕快簽一簽我們下禮拜就來處理好謝謝蔡議員的質詢謝謝左院長交通部長的備詢謝謝\n\n15:33.052 --> 15:36.062\n接下來登記第六位吳秉瑞委員之質詢\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.87,"end":8.635,"text":"謝謝院長那我們是不是有請卓院長以及我們交通部我們陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢蔡委員好院長好院長首先我先放一段影片給你看一下一些景觀來影片播放一下"},{"start":41.49,"end":57.057,"text":"那影片雖然很短但是它是韓國這十年內它蓋了三個海上纜車那首先包括韓國松島的海上纜車韓國幕府的海上纜車跟韓國麗水的海上纜車松島這個海上纜車在2017年幕府在2019年那麗水咧 早一點 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那就好困難"},{"start":709.396,"end":723.705,"text":"那我是覺得說交通部在規劃這個纜車計畫的時候我們壓心做得比較大我們既然要發展觀光這一些景觀既然是好的景觀我們平原看有不一樣的特色"},{"start":726.172,"end":752.457,"text":"兩星期我就要騎水車 水上摩托車到澎湖事實上我最近也在看說 當我騎水上摩托車在看台灣島的時候 又有不一樣的感受從空中看有他的感覺 從海邊看有他的感覺他露臉看也有露臉的感覺 不然我們現在就是騎空中這台啊空中這台沒有 啊這台咧 要政府來塞啊要我們交通部 我們的觀光 為了發展觀光大力塞到內嘛"},{"start":753.689,"end":772.359,"text":"好不好 部長報告委員您剛剛所秀出來的這個影像看得出來那個地方真的非常漂亮所以如果能夠建置完成的話它一定會是一個非常有觀光效益的地方所以那個自償率我剛剛有提過就是說不一定從交通的角度去看應該是從未來整體的觀光效益來思考"},{"start":772.859,"end":780.303,"text":"那不過這個地方其實我們希望來推我也會親自再下去看一下看要怎麼去推你有機會來我帶你去賣一個36萬賣一個36萬賣了再帶來我們海口吃蚵仔我們剛剛在看海邊的這個有比較大的問題我目前所理解"},{"start":791.989,"end":812.32,"text":"第一我們台灣是有颱風的地方所以海邊相對風險高一點第二有東北季風的問題那第三因為剛剛那個漂亮的濕地我們台灣現在對於生態的保育部長我相信颱風當然是一個因素啦但是你想想看在沖繩宮古島他們所面對的颱風的壓力這個我先下去看不會亞於我們啦所以我是覺得說部長所說的就是"},{"start":815.422,"end":838.028,"text":"技術的問題 用地的問題 還有環境敏感區的問題這個我們把它克服掉 我們也不能去破壞它這麼漂亮的地方 如果增加觀光絕對是好事我覺得我們勇敢的把它跨出去天人合一的方式怎麼樣來進行最後一分鐘 事實上我還是蠻擔心這個4100億現在行政院所提出來的這個計畫"},{"start":839.548,"end":858.786,"text":"那這個計畫我希望要在最快的速度趕快把它完成三讀那事實上院長事實上你也是有去拜會了國民黨團那也有去拜會了民進黨團所以藍白你都已經走過了那到底有沒有辦法在今天取得這一個他們的一個承諾不負意勒"},{"start":861.15,"end":875.116,"text":"很欣慰剛剛已經聽到已經復委那是不是今天能夠取得這個不復議的大家的協議我想朝野還在繼續努力當中讓我們很樂見也樂觀這個成果能夠往好的方向走特別拜託召委"},{"start":878.918,"end":903.334,"text":"我希望我下禮拜就可以來擺我現在下禮拜三天我都還是把它空下來我就是希望說這個要趕快處理因為現在產業憂心 農業也憂心我一直強調這個為產業取命工業農業 還有讓人民安心盡快把它推出來之後我們就可以以後編特別預算據時的來詳列預算的內容那麼合理的來執行"},{"start":904.534,"end":918.341,"text":"好好的讓受到大院的監督事實上你所編的這四千一百億每一個都很重要幫台灣打外銷通路啊如何在這個時候做金融的支持啊這都叫命錢啦大行都叫命錢啦所以我覺得這太重要了我們希望國民黨 民眾黨就下午時間趕快簽一簽我們下禮拜就來處理好 謝謝蔡議員的質詢謝謝左院長 交通部長的備詢 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完成書面審查作業","台65線下匝道與新莊區中正路交織車流量大，常於通勤時間回堵至台65線，亦影響新莊區南北往來交通，目前綜合規劃報告將於今年中提出，請交通部協助督促盡快完成規劃報告，進入施工階段。","五、爭取板龍快速道路規劃減少民眾衝擊","目前大漢溪兩岸快速道路（板龍快速道路），預計115年將完成可行性評估，對於國道3號交通紓解及大漢溪兩岸地區南北往來將有大利多，但其中尚有部分議題尚需釐清，請交通部協助納入檢討：","(一)板龍快速道路新莊段，有一半是要河堤共構，旁邊的環漢路是新莊南北往來的重要道路，應如何避免工程對當地交通衝擊過大？另外若想保持環漢路的雙向2線道，共構工程要如何落墩？是堤防向河中心遷移以留設落墩空間嗎？對河道影響如何？","(二)板龍快速道路新莊段另一半是將徵收私人土地及拆除大片現有廠房，應召開說明會聽取地方意見，並妥適考量是否為最佳方案。","(三)板龍快速道路新莊段遇到鐵路橋需改建問題，是否有可能再檢討台鐵於新北市剩餘平面路段地下化的可能？","(四)除此之外，是否能比照板龍快速道路的案例，針對國道1號新北市路段新增聯絡道或大漢溪北岸都會區國省道交通路網改善進行委託研究？","(五)另外，計畫中使用國有土地面積多，有沒有邀管理的國產署一同參與，好就土地使用至狀況作釐清，及後續如何配合工程進行協助？"],["主席：接下來請登記第7位許智傑委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":46,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-10","speakers":["韓國瑜"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-05-02"],"gazette_id":"1144201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144201_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第10次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1144201_00001"}}}