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00:06:49,207\n所以就是說建設完成了但實際上有在運轉的就是大概100多個對那也已經在使用了那當然這個是保留給我們在遇到這種災變的時候能夠做緊急的這個所謂的指揮體系的使用為主並沒有說要開放給民間來使用尤其防災救災的目的來使用這些衛星站點\n\n19\n00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,181\n是確實因為本席在看相關計畫時候的確有看到現在我們所做的種種的備援機制都是為了政府緊急指揮所或者是有什麼避難場所來使用可是我們\n\n20\n00:07:12,945 --> 00:07:40,386\n有看到的一個情況就是說其實在你們計劃當中當時有盤點全國重要基礎設施是6800多處可是你們現在目前是建置了700多處然後呢實際上現在有在運轉的有在使用的大概就是700多嘛其實是不到一成如果從這個比例來講的話其實本席是認為不夠是未來的話是不是你們有沒有打算要\n\n21\n00:07:42,083 --> 00:08:09,416\n這個增加相關的中端設備站點包括委員因為現在這個我們現在所講的是低軌衛星那低軌衛星的確現在我們用的系統叫OneWave那OneWave目前是我們打算大概就是目前就是已經開通了七百七十幾個站點那未來這兩三年會有新的系統加入包括這個可能美國有幾個系統所以我們會持續擴充也會跟國科會合作\n\n22\n00:08:09,915 --> 00:08:23,244\n在這一邊跟太空中心合作我們會盡量的去佈建這樣的系統讓這個所謂的衛星統一系統能夠有足夠的頻寬讓至少在我們的剛剛講這些重要基礎建設以外指揮系統可以用\n\n23\n00:08:23,769 --> 00:08:50,476\n了解因為本信有發現你們現在頻寬大概是1.2G1.2G的這個頻寬嘛對其實看起來其實不夠啦因為也有專家說這個萬一真的發生什麼緊急狀況還懶斷的話其實1.2G的頻寬是根本不夠用的所以這個基本上也希望你們考慮可能未來可以增加頻寬好那接下來我要再問的就是說因為我們目前只使用是使用的是OneWeb系統那OneWeb當時是說在台灣它\n\n24\n00:08:52,456 --> 00:09:13,073\n這個不建日本關島泰國三個地面接收站對那我們台灣有沒有考慮到要自己要建一個接收站呢畢竟現在這個接收站都是在其他國家那萬一因為政治因素或是技術上面出現了問題這個訊號打不回台灣那我們弄了那麼多不是白搭白做工了\n\n25\n00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:34,473\n報告委員我們現在打上衛星以後我們是要跟國外同所以我們在比如說在日本跟關島這些國家建了以後跟泰國就讓我們能夠因為衛星在天空上一直在旋轉的在繞所以我們需要在這些國家部件我們才有辦法有24小時的通訊那通訊到外面以後\n\n26\n00:09:35,253 --> 00:09:59,325\n當然就是說他可以到外面然後接通以後再訊號再打上微信再傳回台灣的地面接收站所以目前要建地面接收站主要原因是要增加頻寬但是以通訊本身要暢通來講對簡單來說我們台灣到底有沒有考慮要自己要建一個地面接收站跟委員報告之所謂備援系統它就不是普遍性長時間性的它是要提供緊急的\n\n27\n00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:19,109\n救難維持秩序乃至於國安上面的緊急通訊那我們還是希望原來的建制系統能夠在一定的時間內把它恢復那同時我們除了OneWeb這個低軌衛星之外我們還會往上走我們會走到同步衛星那同步衛星如果建制完成的話那就台灣的涵蓋面就更充足而廣泛完成\n\n28\n00:10:19,449 --> 00:10:44,854\n因為本期想強調就是說我們既然是做的這種緊急備援機制固然我們不希望它發生會使用最好不要有任何緊急狀況發生但是就是萬一發生的時候我們要有東西可以使用而且會好用那麼現在因為這個三個站都在國外我不知道是不是我們花錢建的還是跟日本關島泰國三個站去合作的\n\n29\n00:10:45,154 --> 00:11:10,060\n那總之我覺得這也是一個就值得述發布跟NCC這邊可能要思考行政院也要去考慮的就是如果說是在心肺可行的情況之下的話其實考慮可以自己建一個接收站沒有什麼不好好那另外呢我現在要講的就是說考慮到這個風險分散的問題我們目前我們在台灣的中低軌衛星的備援機制我們只有跟onewave\n\n30\n00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:33,748\n签约可是本席认为说台湾不应该只买OneWeb这个保险我们不应该把这个所有的这个我们就只跟一个业者就是只重压一家了那未来可能会有发生一些风险那么难道没有其他的业者可以合作吗我们知道其实在现在看到像Starlinks\n\n31\n00:11:35,148 --> 00:12:00,273\n跟OneWeb这两个系统相比较就知道说其实Starlink的这个规模它已经可以说是垄断现在全球的这个中低轨卫星那么它的发射的卫星科数是8400多个是比OneWeb只有648个多了12倍所以在这里不知道为什么我们政府不可以与Starlink合作\n\n32\n00:12:01,333 --> 00:12:30,115\n報告委員那個任何的衛星要能夠提供服務那第一個要來申請所謂的衛星的頻率頻段是他們到目前為止還沒來申請所以我們沒有辦法使用好OK是這樣喔因為我也看了一些新聞報導大家就說為什麼台灣不能跟Starlink合作那麼是說第一個可能是我們有法規的障礙因為我們台灣的電信法現在叫做電信管理法還有衛星廣播電視法等等這些法規對於外資持股的限制比例很高\n\n33\n00:12:30,896 --> 00:12:40,023\n那第二个点呢则是说因为马斯克友好大陆基于政治考量所以我们就不开放斯大林克来是不是有词一说\n\n34\n00:12:41,423 --> 00:13:01,149\n報告委員政治的考量我們必須要有但是我們首先所圖的是台灣能夠在這種備援系統當中我們首先優先可以取得安全而且穩定的合作廠商是所以我就說如果說撇開政治因素來講的話現在馬斯克他們的這個Starlix有8000多顆衛星啊\n\n35\n00:13:02,009 --> 00:13:27,752\n那它覆盖的程度它的密度而且呢它市场大所以它比较不容易受到任何来自于这个敌方或敌对势力的威胁那么但是我们现在却只有跟这OneWeb签合约那本席是认为这部分其实是要考虑的尤其是我刚刚讲的我们目前国内的法规的确是对于电信事业的外资投资\n\n36\n00:13:28,953 --> 00:13:56,168\n比例的限制是高的我們看看像是美國英國日本等等這些國家他們的外資持股的比例沒有那麼高像英國甚至沒有外資持股比例限制所以從這個角度來看不知道就是現在行政院再加上還有一點就是美國他現在的對於台灣除了可能會施以高關稅政策之外他們也希望能夠排除國際貿易障礙\n\n37\n00:13:57,669 --> 00:14:26,614\n就是認為我們有非關稅貿易障礙那其中就說我們很多的外資的規定過於嚴格請問行政院有打算未來會鬆綁外資持股限制嗎陳如文所說我們在有限廣播電視法跟衛星廣播電視法上面我們的外資的比例外資法人都高達到50%跟60%我想這是因為國情是所需要我們還是要維持國家在安全可控的環境裡\n\n38\n00:14:26,994 --> 00:14:56,395\n我只是提醒啦因为接下来因为川普跟马斯克是好朋友接下来会不会就是另外一方面也希望我们能够整个解除这个外资管制电信事业的外资管制我觉得我们这个地方必须要先做准备好那接下来我还有再问的一个问题就是说其实大家知道啊一旦发生紧急状况的时候是人人都会恐慌都会很想要跟家人朋友联络那但是我们现在政府却没有开放一般的民用的卫星通讯服务\n\n39\n00:14:56,835 --> 00:15:04,550\n那其實現在很多的手機都已經可以支援衛星通訊服務了在這裡想請教我們政府什麼時候會開放NCC會開放嗎\n\n40\n00:15:09,898 --> 00:15:33,291\n跟委員報告開放業務這邊也涉及到我們跟數位部的那數位部會開放嗎因為時間有限但是另外一個主要原因是因為衛星它是無國界的我們同意也好不同意也好它的電波就是落在我們上面那以這個如果說跟我們有敵對意識的國家它本身有衛星如果我們開放的話對國內的一些國安也好那些都會有影響\n\n41\n00:15:34,076 --> 00:15:46,451\n我想講的就是不僅是國安的考量我覺得要考慮到民眾的平常的日常有急難救助的時候的考量為什麼大家會想要買一個衛星通訊的手機因為在高山在海邊\n\n42\n00:15:56,119 --> 00:16:23,069\n我們看到本身是連越南現在也都已經看到林越廣所以我覺得我們不要說只是做國安但是人的安全現在安全也很重要那時間的關係那麼我想就是請蘇衛博還有ACC這邊在好好地考量因為我覺得我有一個小的請求就是我對於海藕蘭我問我也很關心那我4月18號之後我就是\n\n43\n00:16:24,449 --> 00:16:53,065\n我希望院長,若說您已經讀過我的很多字的話請進一步提供,因為我對這一點很關心好\n\n44\n00:16:54,465 --> 00:16:54,485\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12030\t32537\t現在跟東海大學的正式系同學問好謝謝主席 有請院長還有黃部長 速發部的黃部長以及NCC的陳竺偉麻煩可能要兩位一起院長好\n40017\t58138\t院長我們上一次兩個禮拜前這本席在這裡有跟您請教這公教人員3%的調薪什麼時候入帳您當時候說5月然後大家期待都是5月1號結果沒想到昨天蠻多的公務人員都反映說薪水沒有入帳\n59437\t74280\t院長怎麼回事因為這牽涉到很複雜的計算包括他的加班等等也有退離職的還有很多這個這個福利的這個方面的計算五月份五月份一定會把全面一到四月的全部補足\n75728\t90035\t就衝著院長的這句話我們希望就是不要再跳票因為大家已經在進行了接下來還有一個就是院長也說這個禮拜NCC委員的名單就要公布\n91408\t117887\t明天是星期五了 明後天會工作嗎抱歉 委員的名單已經確定了我們在做人事作業我早上有跟外界說明因為部分的委員基於自己的工作家庭生活的安排希望我們多給他一點時間我們在努力這個人事作業已經開始進行了完成之後馬上就送到大院來請求能夠同意所以聽院長這麼說的話看起來這一波NCC委員名單跟上一波的是不一樣\n119573\t140829\t聽起來好像是這樣子 要不然的話這個之前應該都已經有所準備了但現在感覺上是一波新的名單很大的不一樣會要重新要這個準備喔好 那麼當然我本席也很期待看到這一波新的NCC委員的名單接下來我要請教的就是\n142450\t164239\t就是回到我今天要质询的主题首先我想大家都知道这个前几天我们看到南欧的伊比利半岛发生了无预警的大规模停电然后造成西班牙葡萄牙还有南法等等的这些地方大停电有数以千万人的日常生活都受到影响那么\n165619\t185771\t各地陷入一片混亂甚至還有人因此喪命但看到此情此景其實呢就不經讓我想到蔡英文總統執政的這八年我們也曾經歷經這個五次的大停電其中呢有三次的停電事故都是數百萬戶的停電那麼\n190149\t215020\t當然這個停電的確是會造成生活上面很大的不便那我在這裡呢我也不會去探究這個大停電的這個事故的問題因為畢竟這個停電的事故非常的複雜那我今天我想要講的是就是如果說類似像西班牙的這種大停電事故其實台灣現在電力不足可能隨時都有可能會發生萬一發生這種特殊事故\n216397\t230495\t不管是地震 恐攻 战争或者是我们的电力跳电发生大停电导致电力传输中断影响到基地台运作的时候那么这时候如果台湾的行动网络通讯发生大规模的瘫痪\n232065\t256392\t那這個時候我們該怎麼辦我們政府準備好了嗎因為現在政府其實非常強調全社會防衛任性政府必須要防患未然要事先規劃好相關的這個備援機制所以呢我在這邊想請教是不是我們政府準備好了如果說一旦發生大規模的斷訊斷網的時候要怎麼做\n256977\t275565\t是也很謝謝委員能夠關心也一起來支持全社會防衛任性那我們現在剛剛提到幾次大的斷電有些是機器設備有些是人為的非常的抱歉那現在我們對於這種可能發生的天災地變甚至是人為的因素造成的這個\n276385\t302572\t停電會造成通訊上的困難政府朝著目標現在的建制方式是往多元建制不同方式來做備援而且是備援再備援我們現在可以從固定的網路到行動網路到海欄到微波到衛星我們都從多層次的一個建制方式已經陸陸續續在完成包括衛星我們也是建制的已經相當一個基礎的規模已經形成\n303052\t314500\t是 所以看起來院長對這方面是有所掌握有所了解的那接下來我要進一步就是要問更detail的事情那麼請教速發部因為你們在2023年當時就有推動了強化通訊網路數位韌性的前瞻計劃期間兩年花費是5.5億也就是說一旦發生了天災或是戰爭的時候呢地面的通訊像是剛剛院長講的海嵐行動通訊固定網路都受到影響導致這個\n333092\t346489\t平常我們使用的網路通話都無法使用這時候有說可以使用所謂的中低軌的衛星作為緊急備援通訊那預計今年會完成國內773個\n349092\t367973\t中低轨卫星的终端设备站点还有70个基地台的后船链路站点以及在国外设置三个非同步轨道的卫星站点大概就指的全面地面的接收站我想请问苏发布现在的建设进度如何你们真的有完成了吗\n368530\t385075\t那個報告委員那個773個站點在去年就完成了是那現在進度呢那現在當然完成以後現在因為預算的關係所以我們沒有辦法全部營運所以目前就是大概170個站點左右\n385615\t409207\t所以就是說建設完成了但實際上有在運轉的就是大概100多個對 那也已經在使用了那當然這個是保留給我們在遇到這種災變的時候能夠做緊急的這個所謂的指揮體系的使用為主並沒有說要開放給民間來使用尤其防災救災的目的來使用這些衛星站點\n411800\t416181\t是確實因為本席在看相關計畫時候的確有看到現在我們所做的種種的備援機制都是為了政府緊急指揮所或者是有什麼避難場所來使用可是我們\n432945\t460386\t有看到的一個情況就是說其實在你們計劃當中當時有盤點全國重要基礎設施是6800多處可是你們現在目前是建置了700多處然後呢實際上現在有在運轉的有在使用的大概就是700多嘛其實是不到一成如果從這個比例來講的話其實本席是認為不夠是未來的話是不是你們有沒有打算要\n462083\t489416\t這個增加相關的中端設備站點包括委員因為現在這個我們現在所講的是低軌衛星那低軌衛星的確現在我們用的系統叫OneWave那OneWave目前是我們打算大概就是目前就是已經開通了七百七十幾個站點那未來這兩三年會有新的系統加入包括這個可能美國有幾個系統所以我們會持續擴充也會跟國科會合作\n489915\t503244\t在這一邊跟太空中心合作我們會盡量的去佈建這樣的系統讓這個所謂的衛星統一系統能夠有足夠的頻寬讓至少在我們的剛剛講這些重要基礎建設以外指揮系統可以用\n503769\t530476\t了解 因為本信有發現你們現在頻寬大概是1.2G1.2G的這個頻寬嘛 對其實看起來其實不夠啦因為也有專家說這個萬一真的發生什麼緊急狀況還懶斷的話其實1.2G的頻寬是根本不夠用的所以這個基本上也希望你們考慮可能未來可以增加頻寬好 那接下來我要再問的就是說因為我們目前只使用是使用的是OneWeb系統那OneWeb當時是說在台灣它\n532456\t553073\t這個不建日本關島泰國三個地面接收站對那我們台灣有沒有考慮到要自己要建一個接收站呢畢竟現在這個接收站都是在其他國家那萬一因為政治因素或是技術上面出現了問題這個訊號打不回台灣那我們弄了那麼多不是白搭白做工了\n554670\t574473\t報告委員我們現在打上衛星以後我們是要跟國外同所以我們在比如說在日本跟關島這些國家建了以後跟泰國就讓我們能夠因為衛星在天空上一直在旋轉的在繞所以我們需要在這些國家部件我們才有辦法有24小時的通訊那通訊到外面以後\n575253\t599325\t當然就是說他可以到外面然後接通以後再訊號再打上微信再傳回台灣的地面接收站所以目前要建地面接收站主要原因是要增加頻寬但是以通訊本身要暢通來講對 簡單來說我們台灣到底有沒有考慮要自己要建一個地面接收站跟委員報告 之所謂備援系統它就不是普遍性 長時間性的它是要提供緊急的\n600080\t619109\t救難 維持秩序乃至於國安上面的緊急通訊那我們還是希望原來的建制系統能夠在一定的時間內把它恢復那同時我們除了OneWeb這個低軌衛星之外我們還會往上走我們會走到同步衛星那同步衛星如果建制完成的話那就台灣的涵蓋面就更充足而廣泛完成\n619449\t644854\t因為本期想強調就是說我們既然是做的這種緊急備援機制固然我們不希望它發生會使用最好不要有任何緊急狀況發生但是就是萬一發生的時候我們要有東西可以使用而且會好用那麼現在因為這個三個站都在國外我不知道是不是我們花錢建的還是跟日本關島泰國三個站去合作的\n645154\t670060\t那總之我覺得這也是一個就值得述發布跟NCC這邊可能要思考行政院也要去考慮的就是如果說是在心肺可行的情況之下的話其實考慮可以自己建一個接收站沒有什麼不好好那另外呢我現在要講的就是說考慮到這個風險分散的問題我們目前我們在台灣的中低軌衛星的備援機制我們只有跟one wave\n671040\t693748\t签约可是本席认为说台湾不应该只买OneWeb这个保险我们不应该把这个所有的这个我们就只跟一个业者就是只重压一家了那未来可能会有发生一些风险那么难道没有其他的业者可以合作吗我们知道其实在现在看到像Starlinks\n695148\t720273\t跟OneWeb这两个系统相比较就知道说其实Starlink的这个规模它已经可以说是垄断现在全球的这个中低轨卫星那么它的发射的卫星科数是8400多个是比OneWeb只有648个多了12倍所以在这里不知道为什么我们政府不可以与Starlink合作\n721333\t750115\t報告委員 那個任何的衛星要能夠提供服務那第一個要來申請所謂的衛星的頻率 頻段是他們到目前為止還沒來申請所以我們沒有辦法使用好 OK 是這樣喔因為我也看了一些新聞報導大家就說為什麼台灣不能跟Starlink合作那麼是說第一個可能是我們有法規的障礙因為我們台灣的電信法現在叫做電信管理法還有衛星廣播電視法等等這些法規對於外資持股的限制比例很高\n750896\t760023\t那第二个点呢则是说因为马斯克友好大陆基于政治考量所以我们就不开放斯大林克来是不是有词一说\n761423\t781149\t報告委員 政治的考量我們必須要有但是我們首先所圖的是台灣能夠在這種備援系統當中我們首先優先可以取得安全而且穩定的合作廠商是 所以我就說如果說撇開政治因素來講的話現在馬斯克他們的這個Starlix有8000多顆衛星啊\n782009\t807752\t那它覆盖的程度它的密度而且呢它市场大所以它比较不容易受到任何来自于这个敌方或敌对势力的威胁那么但是我们现在却只有跟这OneWeb签合约那本席是认为这部分其实是要考虑的尤其是我刚刚讲的我们目前国内的法规的确是对于电信事业的外资投资\n808953\t836168\t比例的限制是高的我們看看像是美國英國日本等等這些國家他們的外資持股的比例沒有那麼高像英國甚至沒有外資持股比例限制所以從這個角度來看不知道就是現在行政院再加上還有一點就是美國他現在的對於台灣除了可能會施以高關稅政策之外他們也希望能夠排除國際貿易障礙\n837669\t866614\t就是認為我們有非關稅貿易障礙那其中就說我們很多的外資的規定過於嚴格請問行政院有打算未來會鬆綁外資持股限制嗎陳如文所說我們在有限廣播電視法跟衛星廣播電視法上面我們的外資的比例外資法人都高達到50%跟60%我想這是因為國情是所需要我們還是要維持國家在安全可控的環境裡\n866994\t896395\t我只是提醒啦因为接下来因为川普跟马斯克是好朋友接下来会不会就是另外一方面也希望我们能够整个解除这个外资管制电信事业的外资管制我觉得我们这个地方必须要先做准备好那接下来我还有再问的一个问题就是说其实大家知道啊一旦发生紧急状况的时候是人人都会恐慌都会很想要跟家人朋友联络那但是我们现在政府却没有开放一般的民用的卫星通讯服务\n896835\t904550\t那其實現在很多的手機都已經可以支援衛星通訊服務了在這裡想請教我們政府什麼時候會開放NCC會開放嗎\n909898\t933291\t跟委員報告開放業務這邊也涉及到我們跟數位部的那數位部會開放嗎因為時間有限但是另外一個主要原因是因為衛星它是無國界的我們同意也好不同意也好它的電波就是落在我們上面那以這個如果說跟我們有敵對意識的國家它本身有衛星如果我們開放的話對國內的一些國安也好那些都會有影響\n934076\t946451\t我想講的就是不僅是國安的考量我覺得要考慮到民眾的平常的日常有急難救助的時候的考量為什麼大家會想要買一個衛星通訊的手機因為在高山在海邊\n956119\t983069\t我們看到本身是連越南現在也都已經看到林越廣所以我覺得我們不要說只是做國安但是人的安全現在安全也很重要那時間的關係那麼我想就是請蘇衛博還有ACC這邊在好好地考量因為我覺得我有一個小的請求就是我對於海藕蘭我問我也很關心那我4月18號之後我就是\n984449\t1013065\t我希望院長,若說您已經讀過我的很多字的話請進一步提供,因為我對這一點很關心好\n1014465\t1014485\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"現在跟東海大學的正式系同學問好謝謝主席 有請院長還有黃部長 速發部的黃部長以及NCC的陳竺偉麻煩可能要兩位一起院長好\n院長我們上一次兩個禮拜前這本席在這裡有跟您請教這公教人員3%的調薪什麼時候入帳您當時候說5月然後大家期待都是5月1號結果沒想到昨天蠻多的公務人員都反映說薪水沒有入帳\n院長怎麼回事因為這牽涉到很複雜的計算包括他的加班等等也有退離職的還有很多這個這個福利的這個方面的計算五月份五月份一定會把全面一到四月的全部補足\n就衝著院長的這句話我們希望就是不要再跳票因為大家已經在進行了接下來還有一個就是院長也說這個禮拜NCC委員的名單就要公布\n明天是星期五了 明後天會工作嗎抱歉 委員的名單已經確定了我們在做人事作業我早上有跟外界說明因為部分的委員基於自己的工作家庭生活的安排希望我們多給他一點時間我們在努力這個人事作業已經開始進行了完成之後馬上就送到大院來請求能夠同意所以聽院長這麼說的話看起來這一波NCC委員名單跟上一波的是不一樣\n聽起來好像是這樣子 要不然的話這個之前應該都已經有所準備了但現在感覺上是一波新的名單很大的不一樣會要重新要這個準備喔好 那麼當然我本席也很期待看到這一波新的NCC委員的名單接下來我要請教的就是\n就是回到我今天要质询的主题首先我想大家都知道这个前几天我们看到南欧的伊比利半岛发生了无预警的大规模停电然后造成西班牙葡萄牙还有南法等等的这些地方大停电有数以千万人的日常生活都受到影响那么\n各地陷入一片混亂甚至還有人因此喪命但看到此情此景其實呢就不經讓我想到蔡英文總統執政的這八年我們也曾經歷經這個五次的大停電其中呢有三次的停電事故都是數百萬戶的停電那麼\n當然這個停電的確是會造成生活上面很大的不便那我在這裡呢我也不會去探究這個大停電的這個事故的問題因為畢竟這個停電的事故非常的複雜那我今天我想要講的是就是如果說類似像西班牙的這種大停電事故其實台灣現在電力不足可能隨時都有可能會發生萬一發生這種特殊事故\n不管是地震 恐攻 战争或者是我们的电力跳电发生大停电导致电力传输中断影响到基地台运作的时候那么这时候如果台湾的行动网络通讯发生大规模的瘫痪\n那這個時候我們該怎麼辦我們政府準備好了嗎因為現在政府其實非常強調全社會防衛任性政府必須要防患未然要事先規劃好相關的這個備援機制所以呢我在這邊想請教是不是我們政府準備好了如果說一旦發生大規模的斷訊斷網的時候要怎麼做\n是也很謝謝委員能夠關心也一起來支持全社會防衛任性那我們現在剛剛提到幾次大的斷電有些是機器設備有些是人為的非常的抱歉那現在我們對於這種可能發生的天災地變甚至是人為的因素造成的這個\n停電會造成通訊上的困難政府朝著目標現在的建制方式是往多元建制不同方式來做備援而且是備援再備援我們現在可以從固定的網路到行動網路到海欄到微波到衛星我們都從多層次的一個建制方式已經陸陸續續在完成包括衛星我們也是建制的已經相當一個基礎的規模已經形成\n是 所以看起來院長對這方面是有所掌握有所了解的那接下來我要進一步就是要問更detail的事情那麼請教速發部因為你們在2023年當時就有推動了強化通訊網路數位韌性的前瞻計劃期間兩年花費是5.5億也就是說一旦發生了天災或是戰爭的時候呢地面的通訊像是剛剛院長講的海嵐行動通訊固定網路都受到影響導致這個\n平常我們使用的網路通話都無法使用這時候有說可以使用所謂的中低軌的衛星作為緊急備援通訊那預計今年會完成國內773個\n中低轨卫星的终端设备站点还有70个基地台的后船链路站点以及在国外设置三个非同步轨道的卫星站点大概就指的全面地面的接收站我想请问苏发布现在的建设进度如何你们真的有完成了吗\n那個報告委員那個773個站點在去年就完成了是那現在進度呢那現在當然完成以後現在因為預算的關係所以我們沒有辦法全部營運所以目前就是大概170個站點左右\n所以就是說建設完成了但實際上有在運轉的就是大概100多個對 那也已經在使用了那當然這個是保留給我們在遇到這種災變的時候能夠做緊急的這個所謂的指揮體系的使用為主並沒有說要開放給民間來使用尤其防災救災的目的來使用這些衛星站點\n是確實因為本席在看相關計畫時候的確有看到現在我們所做的種種的備援機制都是為了政府緊急指揮所或者是有什麼避難場所來使用可是我們\n有看到的一個情況就是說其實在你們計劃當中當時有盤點全國重要基礎設施是6800多處可是你們現在目前是建置了700多處然後呢實際上現在有在運轉的有在使用的大概就是700多嘛其實是不到一成如果從這個比例來講的話其實本席是認為不夠是未來的話是不是你們有沒有打算要\n這個增加相關的中端設備站點包括委員因為現在這個我們現在所講的是低軌衛星那低軌衛星的確現在我們用的系統叫OneWave那OneWave目前是我們打算大概就是目前就是已經開通了七百七十幾個站點那未來這兩三年會有新的系統加入包括這個可能美國有幾個系統所以我們會持續擴充也會跟國科會合作\n在這一邊跟太空中心合作我們會盡量的去佈建這樣的系統讓這個所謂的衛星統一系統能夠有足夠的頻寬讓至少在我們的剛剛講這些重要基礎建設以外指揮系統可以用\n了解 因為本信有發現你們現在頻寬大概是1.2G1.2G的這個頻寬嘛 對其實看起來其實不夠啦因為也有專家說這個萬一真的發生什麼緊急狀況還懶斷的話其實1.2G的頻寬是根本不夠用的所以這個基本上也希望你們考慮可能未來可以增加頻寬好 那接下來我要再問的就是說因為我們目前只使用是使用的是OneWeb系統那OneWeb當時是說在台灣它\n這個不建日本關島泰國三個地面接收站對那我們台灣有沒有考慮到要自己要建一個接收站呢畢竟現在這個接收站都是在其他國家那萬一因為政治因素或是技術上面出現了問題這個訊號打不回台灣那我們弄了那麼多不是白搭白做工了\n報告委員我們現在打上衛星以後我們是要跟國外同所以我們在比如說在日本跟關島這些國家建了以後跟泰國就讓我們能夠因為衛星在天空上一直在旋轉的在繞所以我們需要在這些國家部件我們才有辦法有24小時的通訊那通訊到外面以後\n當然就是說他可以到外面然後接通以後再訊號再打上微信再傳回台灣的地面接收站所以目前要建地面接收站主要原因是要增加頻寬但是以通訊本身要暢通來講對 簡單來說我們台灣到底有沒有考慮要自己要建一個地面接收站跟委員報告 之所謂備援系統它就不是普遍性 長時間性的它是要提供緊急的\n救難 維持秩序乃至於國安上面的緊急通訊那我們還是希望原來的建制系統能夠在一定的時間內把它恢復那同時我們除了OneWeb這個低軌衛星之外我們還會往上走我們會走到同步衛星那同步衛星如果建制完成的話那就台灣的涵蓋面就更充足而廣泛完成\n因為本期想強調就是說我們既然是做的這種緊急備援機制固然我們不希望它發生會使用最好不要有任何緊急狀況發生但是就是萬一發生的時候我們要有東西可以使用而且會好用那麼現在因為這個三個站都在國外我不知道是不是我們花錢建的還是跟日本關島泰國三個站去合作的\n那總之我覺得這也是一個就值得述發布跟NCC這邊可能要思考行政院也要去考慮的就是如果說是在心肺可行的情況之下的話其實考慮可以自己建一個接收站沒有什麼不好好那另外呢我現在要講的就是說考慮到這個風險分散的問題我們目前我們在台灣的中低軌衛星的備援機制我們只有跟one wave\n签约可是本席认为说台湾不应该只买OneWeb这个保险我们不应该把这个所有的这个我们就只跟一个业者就是只重压一家了那未来可能会有发生一些风险那么难道没有其他的业者可以合作吗我们知道其实在现在看到像Starlinks\n跟OneWeb这两个系统相比较就知道说其实Starlink的这个规模它已经可以说是垄断现在全球的这个中低轨卫星那么它的发射的卫星科数是8400多个是比OneWeb只有648个多了12倍所以在这里不知道为什么我们政府不可以与Starlink合作\n報告委員 那個任何的衛星要能夠提供服務那第一個要來申請所謂的衛星的頻率 頻段是他們到目前為止還沒來申請所以我們沒有辦法使用好 OK 是這樣喔因為我也看了一些新聞報導大家就說為什麼台灣不能跟Starlink合作那麼是說第一個可能是我們有法規的障礙因為我們台灣的電信法現在叫做電信管理法還有衛星廣播電視法等等這些法規對於外資持股的限制比例很高\n那第二个点呢则是说因为马斯克友好大陆基于政治考量所以我们就不开放斯大林克来是不是有词一说\n報告委員 政治的考量我們必須要有但是我們首先所圖的是台灣能夠在這種備援系統當中我們首先優先可以取得安全而且穩定的合作廠商是 所以我就說如果說撇開政治因素來講的話現在馬斯克他們的這個Starlix有8000多顆衛星啊\n那它覆盖的程度它的密度而且呢它市场大所以它比较不容易受到任何来自于这个敌方或敌对势力的威胁那么但是我们现在却只有跟这OneWeb签合约那本席是认为这部分其实是要考虑的尤其是我刚刚讲的我们目前国内的法规的确是对于电信事业的外资投资\n比例的限制是高的我們看看像是美國英國日本等等這些國家他們的外資持股的比例沒有那麼高像英國甚至沒有外資持股比例限制所以從這個角度來看不知道就是現在行政院再加上還有一點就是美國他現在的對於台灣除了可能會施以高關稅政策之外他們也希望能夠排除國際貿易障礙\n就是認為我們有非關稅貿易障礙那其中就說我們很多的外資的規定過於嚴格請問行政院有打算未來會鬆綁外資持股限制嗎陳如文所說我們在有限廣播電視法跟衛星廣播電視法上面我們的外資的比例外資法人都高達到50%跟60%我想這是因為國情是所需要我們還是要維持國家在安全可控的環境裡\n我只是提醒啦因为接下来因为川普跟马斯克是好朋友接下来会不会就是另外一方面也希望我们能够整个解除这个外资管制电信事业的外资管制我觉得我们这个地方必须要先做准备好那接下来我还有再问的一个问题就是说其实大家知道啊一旦发生紧急状况的时候是人人都会恐慌都会很想要跟家人朋友联络那但是我们现在政府却没有开放一般的民用的卫星通讯服务\n那其實現在很多的手機都已經可以支援衛星通訊服務了在這裡想請教我們政府什麼時候會開放NCC會開放嗎\n跟委員報告開放業務這邊也涉及到我們跟數位部的那數位部會開放嗎因為時間有限但是另外一個主要原因是因為衛星它是無國界的我們同意也好不同意也好它的電波就是落在我們上面那以這個如果說跟我們有敵對意識的國家它本身有衛星如果我們開放的話對國內的一些國安也好那些都會有影響\n我想講的就是不僅是國安的考量我覺得要考慮到民眾的平常的日常有急難救助的時候的考量為什麼大家會想要買一個衛星通訊的手機因為在高山在海邊\n我們看到本身是連越南現在也都已經看到林越廣所以我覺得我們不要說只是做國安但是人的安全現在安全也很重要那時間的關係那麼我想就是請蘇衛博還有ACC這邊在好好地考量因為我覺得我有一個小的請求就是我對於海藕蘭我問我也很關心那我4月18號之後我就是\n我希望院長,若說您已經讀過我的很多字的話請進一步提供,因為我對這一點很關心好\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.030 --> 00:32.537\n現在跟東海大學的正式系同學問好謝謝主席有請院長還有黃部長速發部的黃部長以及NCC的陳竺偉麻煩可能要兩位一起院長好\n\n00:40.017 --> 00:58.138\n院長我們上一次兩個禮拜前這本席在這裡有跟您請教這公教人員3%的調薪什麼時候入帳您當時候說5月然後大家期待都是5月1號結果沒想到昨天蠻多的公務人員都反映說薪水沒有入帳\n\n00:59.437 --> 01:14.280\n院長怎麼回事因為這牽涉到很複雜的計算包括他的加班等等也有退離職的還有很多這個這個福利的這個方面的計算五月份五月份一定會把全面一到四月的全部補足\n\n01:15.728 --> 01:30.035\n就衝著院長的這句話我們希望就是不要再跳票因為大家已經在進行了接下來還有一個就是院長也說這個禮拜NCC委員的名單就要公布\n\n01:31.408 --> 01:57.887\n明天是星期五了明後天會工作嗎抱歉委員的名單已經確定了我們在做人事作業我早上有跟外界說明因為部分的委員基於自己的工作家庭生活的安排希望我們多給他一點時間我們在努力這個人事作業已經開始進行了完成之後馬上就送到大院來請求能夠同意所以聽院長這麼說的話看起來這一波NCC委員名單跟上一波的是不一樣\n\n01:59.573 --> 02:20.829\n聽起來好像是這樣子要不然的話這個之前應該都已經有所準備了但現在感覺上是一波新的名單很大的不一樣會要重新要這個準備喔好那麼當然我本席也很期待看到這一波新的NCC委員的名單接下來我要請教的就是\n\n02:22.450 --> 02:44.239\n就是回到我今天要质询的主题首先我想大家都知道这个前几天我们看到南欧的伊比利半岛发生了无预警的大规模停电然后造成西班牙葡萄牙还有南法等等的这些地方大停电有数以千万人的日常生活都受到影响那么\n\n02:45.619 --> 03:05.771\n各地陷入一片混亂甚至還有人因此喪命但看到此情此景其實呢就不經讓我想到蔡英文總統執政的這八年我們也曾經歷經這個五次的大停電其中呢有三次的停電事故都是數百萬戶的停電那麼\n\n03:10.149 --> 03:35.020\n當然這個停電的確是會造成生活上面很大的不便那我在這裡呢我也不會去探究這個大停電的這個事故的問題因為畢竟這個停電的事故非常的複雜那我今天我想要講的是就是如果說類似像西班牙的這種大停電事故其實台灣現在電力不足可能隨時都有可能會發生萬一發生這種特殊事故\n\n03:36.397 --> 03:50.495\n不管是地震恐攻战争或者是我们的电力跳电发生大停电导致电力传输中断影响到基地台运作的时候那么这时候如果台湾的行动网络通讯发生大规模的瘫痪\n\n03:52.065 --> 04:16.392\n那這個時候我們該怎麼辦我們政府準備好了嗎因為現在政府其實非常強調全社會防衛任性政府必須要防患未然要事先規劃好相關的這個備援機制所以呢我在這邊想請教是不是我們政府準備好了如果說一旦發生大規模的斷訊斷網的時候要怎麼做\n\n04:16.977 --> 04:35.565\n是也很謝謝委員能夠關心也一起來支持全社會防衛任性那我們現在剛剛提到幾次大的斷電有些是機器設備有些是人為的非常的抱歉那現在我們對於這種可能發生的天災地變甚至是人為的因素造成的這個\n\n04:36.385 --> 05:02.572\n停電會造成通訊上的困難政府朝著目標現在的建制方式是往多元建制不同方式來做備援而且是備援再備援我們現在可以從固定的網路到行動網路到海欄到微波到衛星我們都從多層次的一個建制方式已經陸陸續續在完成包括衛星我們也是建制的已經相當一個基礎的規模已經形成\n\n05:03.052 --> 05:14.500\n是所以看起來院長對這方面是有所掌握有所了解的那接下來我要進一步就是要問更detail的事情那麼請教速發部因為你們在2023年當時就有推動了強化通訊網路數位韌性的前瞻計劃期間兩年花費是5.5億也就是說一旦發生了天災或是戰爭的時候呢地面的通訊像是剛剛院長講的海嵐行動通訊固定網路都受到影響導致這個\n\n05:33.092 --> 05:46.489\n平常我們使用的網路通話都無法使用這時候有說可以使用所謂的中低軌的衛星作為緊急備援通訊那預計今年會完成國內773個\n\n05:49.092 --> 06:07.973\n中低轨卫星的终端设备站点还有70个基地台的后船链路站点以及在国外设置三个非同步轨道的卫星站点大概就指的全面地面的接收站我想请问苏发布现在的建设进度如何你们真的有完成了吗\n\n06:08.530 --> 06:25.075\n那個報告委員那個773個站點在去年就完成了是那現在進度呢那現在當然完成以後現在因為預算的關係所以我們沒有辦法全部營運所以目前就是大概170個站點左右\n\n06:25.615 --> 06:49.207\n所以就是說建設完成了但實際上有在運轉的就是大概100多個對那也已經在使用了那當然這個是保留給我們在遇到這種災變的時候能夠做緊急的這個所謂的指揮體系的使用為主並沒有說要開放給民間來使用尤其防災救災的目的來使用這些衛星站點\n\n06:51.800 --> 06:56.181\n是確實因為本席在看相關計畫時候的確有看到現在我們所做的種種的備援機制都是為了政府緊急指揮所或者是有什麼避難場所來使用可是我們\n\n07:12.945 --> 07:40.386\n有看到的一個情況就是說其實在你們計劃當中當時有盤點全國重要基礎設施是6800多處可是你們現在目前是建置了700多處然後呢實際上現在有在運轉的有在使用的大概就是700多嘛其實是不到一成如果從這個比例來講的話其實本席是認為不夠是未來的話是不是你們有沒有打算要\n\n07:42.083 --> 08:09.416\n這個增加相關的中端設備站點包括委員因為現在這個我們現在所講的是低軌衛星那低軌衛星的確現在我們用的系統叫OneWave那OneWave目前是我們打算大概就是目前就是已經開通了七百七十幾個站點那未來這兩三年會有新的系統加入包括這個可能美國有幾個系統所以我們會持續擴充也會跟國科會合作\n\n08:09.915 --> 08:23.244\n在這一邊跟太空中心合作我們會盡量的去佈建這樣的系統讓這個所謂的衛星統一系統能夠有足夠的頻寬讓至少在我們的剛剛講這些重要基礎建設以外指揮系統可以用\n\n08:23.769 --> 08:50.476\n了解因為本信有發現你們現在頻寬大概是1.2G1.2G的這個頻寬嘛對其實看起來其實不夠啦因為也有專家說這個萬一真的發生什麼緊急狀況還懶斷的話其實1.2G的頻寬是根本不夠用的所以這個基本上也希望你們考慮可能未來可以增加頻寬好那接下來我要再問的就是說因為我們目前只使用是使用的是OneWeb系統那OneWeb當時是說在台灣它\n\n08:52.456 --> 09:13.073\n這個不建日本關島泰國三個地面接收站對那我們台灣有沒有考慮到要自己要建一個接收站呢畢竟現在這個接收站都是在其他國家那萬一因為政治因素或是技術上面出現了問題這個訊號打不回台灣那我們弄了那麼多不是白搭白做工了\n\n09:14.670 --> 09:34.473\n報告委員我們現在打上衛星以後我們是要跟國外同所以我們在比如說在日本跟關島這些國家建了以後跟泰國就讓我們能夠因為衛星在天空上一直在旋轉的在繞所以我們需要在這些國家部件我們才有辦法有24小時的通訊那通訊到外面以後\n\n09:35.253 --> 09:59.325\n當然就是說他可以到外面然後接通以後再訊號再打上微信再傳回台灣的地面接收站所以目前要建地面接收站主要原因是要增加頻寬但是以通訊本身要暢通來講對簡單來說我們台灣到底有沒有考慮要自己要建一個地面接收站跟委員報告之所謂備援系統它就不是普遍性長時間性的它是要提供緊急的\n\n10:00.080 --> 10:19.109\n救難維持秩序乃至於國安上面的緊急通訊那我們還是希望原來的建制系統能夠在一定的時間內把它恢復那同時我們除了OneWeb這個低軌衛星之外我們還會往上走我們會走到同步衛星那同步衛星如果建制完成的話那就台灣的涵蓋面就更充足而廣泛完成\n\n10:19.449 --> 10:44.854\n因為本期想強調就是說我們既然是做的這種緊急備援機制固然我們不希望它發生會使用最好不要有任何緊急狀況發生但是就是萬一發生的時候我們要有東西可以使用而且會好用那麼現在因為這個三個站都在國外我不知道是不是我們花錢建的還是跟日本關島泰國三個站去合作的\n\n10:45.154 --> 11:10.060\n那總之我覺得這也是一個就值得述發布跟NCC這邊可能要思考行政院也要去考慮的就是如果說是在心肺可行的情況之下的話其實考慮可以自己建一個接收站沒有什麼不好好那另外呢我現在要講的就是說考慮到這個風險分散的問題我們目前我們在台灣的中低軌衛星的備援機制我們只有跟onewave\n\n11:11.040 --> 11:33.748\n签约可是本席认为说台湾不应该只买OneWeb这个保险我们不应该把这个所有的这个我们就只跟一个业者就是只重压一家了那未来可能会有发生一些风险那么难道没有其他的业者可以合作吗我们知道其实在现在看到像Starlinks\n\n11:35.148 --> 12:00.273\n跟OneWeb这两个系统相比较就知道说其实Starlink的这个规模它已经可以说是垄断现在全球的这个中低轨卫星那么它的发射的卫星科数是8400多个是比OneWeb只有648个多了12倍所以在这里不知道为什么我们政府不可以与Starlink合作\n\n12:01.333 --> 12:30.115\n報告委員那個任何的衛星要能夠提供服務那第一個要來申請所謂的衛星的頻率頻段是他們到目前為止還沒來申請所以我們沒有辦法使用好OK是這樣喔因為我也看了一些新聞報導大家就說為什麼台灣不能跟Starlink合作那麼是說第一個可能是我們有法規的障礙因為我們台灣的電信法現在叫做電信管理法還有衛星廣播電視法等等這些法規對於外資持股的限制比例很高\n\n12:30.896 --> 12:40.023\n那第二个点呢则是说因为马斯克友好大陆基于政治考量所以我们就不开放斯大林克来是不是有词一说\n\n12:41.423 --> 13:01.149\n報告委員政治的考量我們必須要有但是我們首先所圖的是台灣能夠在這種備援系統當中我們首先優先可以取得安全而且穩定的合作廠商是所以我就說如果說撇開政治因素來講的話現在馬斯克他們的這個Starlix有8000多顆衛星啊\n\n13:02.009 --> 13:27.752\n那它覆盖的程度它的密度而且呢它市场大所以它比较不容易受到任何来自于这个敌方或敌对势力的威胁那么但是我们现在却只有跟这OneWeb签合约那本席是认为这部分其实是要考虑的尤其是我刚刚讲的我们目前国内的法规的确是对于电信事业的外资投资\n\n13:28.953 --> 13:56.168\n比例的限制是高的我們看看像是美國英國日本等等這些國家他們的外資持股的比例沒有那麼高像英國甚至沒有外資持股比例限制所以從這個角度來看不知道就是現在行政院再加上還有一點就是美國他現在的對於台灣除了可能會施以高關稅政策之外他們也希望能夠排除國際貿易障礙\n\n13:57.669 --> 14:26.614\n就是認為我們有非關稅貿易障礙那其中就說我們很多的外資的規定過於嚴格請問行政院有打算未來會鬆綁外資持股限制嗎陳如文所說我們在有限廣播電視法跟衛星廣播電視法上面我們的外資的比例外資法人都高達到50%跟60%我想這是因為國情是所需要我們還是要維持國家在安全可控的環境裡\n\n14:26.994 --> 14:56.395\n我只是提醒啦因为接下来因为川普跟马斯克是好朋友接下来会不会就是另外一方面也希望我们能够整个解除这个外资管制电信事业的外资管制我觉得我们这个地方必须要先做准备好那接下来我还有再问的一个问题就是说其实大家知道啊一旦发生紧急状况的时候是人人都会恐慌都会很想要跟家人朋友联络那但是我们现在政府却没有开放一般的民用的卫星通讯服务\n\n14:56.835 --> 15:04.550\n那其實現在很多的手機都已經可以支援衛星通訊服務了在這裡想請教我們政府什麼時候會開放NCC會開放嗎\n\n15:09.898 --> 15:33.291\n跟委員報告開放業務這邊也涉及到我們跟數位部的那數位部會開放嗎因為時間有限但是另外一個主要原因是因為衛星它是無國界的我們同意也好不同意也好它的電波就是落在我們上面那以這個如果說跟我們有敵對意識的國家它本身有衛星如果我們開放的話對國內的一些國安也好那些都會有影響\n\n15:34.076 --> 15:46.451\n我想講的就是不僅是國安的考量我覺得要考慮到民眾的平常的日常有急難救助的時候的考量為什麼大家會想要買一個衛星通訊的手機因為在高山在海邊\n\n15:56.119 --> 16:23.069\n我們看到本身是連越南現在也都已經看到林越廣所以我覺得我們不要說只是做國安但是人的安全現在安全也很重要那時間的關係那麼我想就是請蘇衛博還有ACC這邊在好好地考量因為我覺得我有一個小的請求就是我對於海藕蘭我問我也很關心那我4月18號之後我就是\n\n16:24.449 --> 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想要了解萬一我們的海纜斷的時候，我們有怎麼樣能夠排除障礙的相關機制。可是到現在這個文都還沒下落，不知道是在哪一個階段？還在核定中？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會在院內看……如果委員提了這個，我們會……"],["翁委員曉玲：院長，如果您已經讀過我的索資，請儘速給我，好不好？因為我對這個議題很關心……"],["卓院長榮泰：這個部分我們可以儘快來處理。"],["翁委員曉玲：也不能因為所有的公文卡在你那裡，結果我索資了半天都沒有！"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我們會儘快來處理，謝謝委員。"],["翁委員曉玲：好的。"],["主席：謝謝翁曉玲委員。翁曉玲委員索取的資料，麻煩行政院儘快交付翁委員辦公室。謝謝卓院長、部會首長的備詢。","接下來登記第10位王定宇委員之質詢以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。"],["委員王定宇書面質詢：","★會議日期：2025年05月02日(五)","★書面質詢內容：","一、關於台南市「台86線相關工程案」，此工程案分為東西兩大路廊，分別為「台86線跨越台19甲線銜接國道3號工程案（西段路廊）」與「台86線向東延伸至台3線新闢道路工程案（東段路廊）」。","西段路廊訂於本年04月18日進行環評大會，預計06月底前提送建設計畫，待建設計畫通過後，續辦設計、用地取得及工程施工案，工期粗估5年日曆天，西段路廊總建設經費約143.35億元，包含國道基金61.62億元、省快改81.73億元。另經查東段路廊之環境影響評估案已於本年03月04日提送環境部小組審查，待環評報告審定後續報建設計畫，總建設經費約138.04億元。","因台86線道路為南台南重要交通樞紐，平日尖峰時間及假日車流常有壅塞回堵狀況，道路改善工程刻不容緩，建請交通部公路局盡速辦理後續各項建設計畫及掌握各節點進度並隨時副知本席辦公室。","二、關於台南市「關廟區台19甲線（南雄路）拓寬工程案」，經查目前辦理進度為南下側工區鄰房拆除施工、保安橋第一階段既有橋面板拆除、橋墩及橋台施工、拓寬路段南下側側溝施工。後續辦理工項尚有大洲橋橋台基樁施工、既有橋面板拆除，保安橋第二階段橋台基樁、橋墩施工、拓寬路段南下側側溝、路基及碎石級配料填築施工。因南雄路為關廟區重要交通幹道，工程拓寬進度已較最原始計畫延宕數年，建請交通部盡速辦理後續進程，並確保此工程案如質完工。","三、關於台南市「國立成功大學沙崙醫療服務與創新園區」，此新建工程案坐落於台南沙崙智慧綠能科學城，第一期工程位於F區，規劃病床床位數達664床，此工程案業於2023年09月18日經衛生福利部許可設立，2024年10月23日因營建物價調整等因素，成大函報教育部修正計畫，總經費調整為138.57億元。經查2025年04月02日成大函報教育部「沙崙醫療服務與創新園區第一階段（F區第一期）」新建工程基本設計，目前教育部進行審查階段。","本席於2025年04月14日立法院教育及文化委員會向教育部鄭英耀部長詢及此工程案進度時，教育部鄭部長表示此案之新建工程基本設計將於本年05月上旬完成審查並提報行政院公共工程委員會審定。因在台南沙崙周邊並無大型醫療院所，此醫院的設立對地方居民醫療需求相當重要，建請行政院公共工程委員會盡速審議後續教育部提報之新建工程基本設計案，以加速此工程案之推動。"],["主席：接下來我們請登記第11位吳琪銘委員質詢，吳沛憶委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":116,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-10","speakers":["韓國瑜","林思銘","蘇巧慧","林俊憲","王義川","蔡易餘","吳秉叡","許智傑","徐富癸","翁曉玲","王定宇","吳琪銘","黃秀芳","吳沛憶","陳素月","楊曜","羅明才","徐巧芯","吳宗憲","陳瑩","邱若華"],"page_start":47,"meetingDate":["2025-05-02"],"gazette_id":"1144201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144201_00002","1144201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第10次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1144201_00003"}}}