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00:01:43,228\n也都搭著船來進場所以我想河岸它不只是城市景觀的一部分它也貫穿了一個城市的歷史好那接下來要跟院長討論的就是淡水河流域跟我們台北省的建成它是息息相關的以我的選區萬華來說\n\n6\n00:01:45,050 --> 00:02:03,758\n過去就是因為淡水河的貿易讓蒙甲身為台北市最早發展的趨勢讓蒙甲這個詞Banga它過去就是平埔族跟泰雅族語的船的意思所翻譯過來的所以大家也都熟知一浮二露三蒙甲這個說法但是呢我帶院長看一下我不知道院長有沒有來過我們萬華的河岸\n\n7\n00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:18,221\n這個在照片上的左邊就是我們萬華的河岸在右邊呢就是大稻埕的河岸你可以看到它是有結案的不同那當然除了這個市政府的水岸的規劃以外\n\n8\n00:02:20,371 --> 00:02:44,433\n也在於它的這個水域的水流的特性那事實上我看了我們經濟部水利署其實有做過相關的研究報告在水利署的帶水河流域整體改善與調適規劃報告當中也提到了其實在對萬華來說萬華很多的棋老他們生命的記憶跟帶水河生命不可分因為我們最早的這個水氣生活就是從我們河岸開始\n\n9\n00:02:45,834 --> 00:03:03,909\n所以呢在報告當中也提到了淡水河的建議的應該它的主軸定位應該是魅力水都大河形象那要配合沿岸的台北市跟新北市政府一起來做改造的意向在同樣的報告當中我們也看到\n\n10\n00:03:05,410 --> 00:03:27,335\n我們現在新的這個流域治理治水的概念應該不能像過往一樣以前我們是遇到淹水才來治水現在我們應該要從流域有一個整體規劃的思維所以我非常的肯定院長林上任之後大力推動的行政院水及流域永續推動小組\n\n11\n00:03:28,195 --> 00:03:52,916\n是不是就要來推動系統性的治理規劃能不能跟我們說明一下什麼叫做系統性的水域治理規劃每一個城市如果有一條河流會讓這個城市更美麗我也經常到大稻埕這個河岸邊我也經常到基隆河的大家公園去打球等等我有這個形容說河岸的城市河岸會讓城市的倒影\n\n12\n00:03:53,604 --> 00:04:11,327\n呈現出來看得到城市的倒影才能讓我們看到城市的歷史跟未來的發展所以我們在系統性治水當中我們今年有編了五百五十億的這個預算比過去都還多我們希望的達到是一個有水但是沒有災害但是用水\n\n13\n00:04:12,110 --> 00:04:34,462\n而且是有節度的另外就是讓水清讓生物能夠進來也讓人能夠親近這就是我們水及流域永續推動小組所在辦理的這個系統性治水那這個我們希望在今年預算的執行底下我們能夠補過去八年八百億或是前瞻基礎建設當中所遺留下來的後面這一里路把整個\n\n14\n00:04:35,928 --> 00:04:46,149\n防災防洪的治水工程能夠在最後再把它補足讓水跟人民是可以親近的而是可以利用的我們可以用它發展更多的觀光產業甚至發展更多的水資源\n\n15\n00:04:47,804 --> 00:05:15,926\n事實上我們也非常的期待因為過去我在台北市議會的時候也看到地方政府的努力對我們整個沿岸的休閒運動的規劃設施是不斷在持續進步的但是呢河岸的休憩跟水域的治水我想這兩者是相輔相成而且必須要去並進的所以台北市的淡水和流域的進步還有很大的一個空間我在水利署的報告裡面有看到光是淡水和流域的整治它就會涉及了\n\n16\n00:05:16,266 --> 00:05:19,348\n超過21個政府的單位包括中央跟地方的\n\n17\n00:05:46,186 --> 00:05:57,720\n平台因為我看到我們其實已經有相關的研究報告現在就缺少了規劃我們需要踏出那個執行行動的第一步是不是可以先開啟這個搭建這個討論協調的平台我們先開始來討論我們要怎麼樣來把淡水河流域打造的更適合民眾更清水更友善\n\n18\n00:06:06,010 --> 00:06:21,725\n謝謝委員的建議我們可以這麼做但是他一定需要台北市新北市雙方政府一起來加入這個平台這個平台才能發揮它的作用我們也非常樂意來協助邀請地方政府一起來討論同時因為在你們的報告當中也提到\n\n19\n00:06:22,245 --> 00:06:50,976\n治水公司協力很重要所以呢過去在萬華這個社區大學已經長年都在進行這個清水相關的工作坊導覽活動都有在進行當中水利署也跟我們在地的這些民間團體也有過多次的會議討論所以我想這民間的意見也非常重要希望可以有行政院出面來邀集地方政府跟民間團體一起來討論我們如何把淡水河流域打造成一條台北市的觀光勝地景點\n\n20\n00:06:51,716 --> 00:06:59,684\n我們一起請水利、交通甚至觀光的部會機關都一起來加入我們弄一個專案來讓淡水河比現在更美麗\n\n21\n00:07:00,336 --> 00:07:25,753\n好謝謝接下來要跟院長討論的是我想院長一定也很熟悉的一個地點就是台北車站國外旅客來台北搭機集的第一站就是台北車站台北車站是我們台灣的國門所以事實上我進立法院之後第一場的總諮詢就跟行政院討論到台北車站在國際旅客以及國人當中它有一個外號叫做北車迷宮不知道院長有沒有聽過\n\n22\n00:07:27,142 --> 00:07:29,784\n所以院長也知道北車真的是一座迷宮部長有沒有聽過北車迷宮這個稱號我自己的感受也是跟院長是類似\n\n23\n00:07:47,774 --> 00:07:59,944\n是我們台灣的主持人胡瓜哥他有做過一集節目就是測試在台北車站裡面能不能順利通過這個迷宮結果當然不是很順利所以呢過去其實跟行政院已經有討論了台鐵也已經動起來我們在進行的是台鐵的指標系統手冊更新案\n\n24\n00:08:06,690 --> 00:08:36,327\n那113年9月啟動我目前看到要直到115年6月才會完成那這個部長能不能跟我們說明一下這是因為什麼樣的原因我們需要這麼長期的時間報告委員這是委外做的一個研究案子那他們當時設定的時間我這樣看其實也是有點長那這個部分我再跟台鐵公司我們一起來研究看有沒有辦法再縮短因為他這個是台灣設計研究院辦理的他可能比較細緻去做研究\n\n25\n00:08:36,727 --> 00:08:54,971\n但是我覺得這個時間一拖長這一兩年裡面沒有辦法快速解決問題也不是個好事我們會來研商看怎麼樣讓它時程可以再縮短一些那等它研究做完之後我們台北車站跟板橋車站會優先來做示範區域先來試行看看那如果可以的話其他車站也一起納入\n\n26\n00:08:55,427 --> 00:09:19,527\n是它之所以會是一個迷宮就是因為它其實四鐵共構還有台鐵高鐵北鐵基鐵所以我們看到它在很多的節點它的指標系統是不同套的所以沒有把它統一所以我可以了解說因為我們要做全國這次你們的更新是珍貴全國嘛不是只有這一座車站所以我具體建議是我們的指標系統更新的工作\n\n27\n00:09:20,188 --> 00:09:39,688\n跟我們台北車站以及剛剛部長提到板橋車站因為我也邀請你們到現場會看過跟這兩座車站的改造其實可以同步來並行可以同步來並行你要先開始盤點嘛因為我相信你光是台北車站哪一些地方它未來必須要被更新改造\n\n28\n00:09:40,809 --> 00:10:08,107\n這個光是盤點恐怕就需要時間所以我很擔心你們等到指標系統是全國性的一個系統等到指標系統盤點完再來進行現場的會刊再去了解說我有哪些是需要改造的哇那可能又過半年又過一年了所以我的具體建議是這兩者我們同步來並行那一旦我們指標系統更新一完成馬上開始施作我認為這是我們最快可以來去改善台北車站這是我們台灣的國門啊\n\n29\n00:10:09,488 --> 00:10:38,573\n所以真的是要拜託院長跟部長來幫我們想一想怎麼樣未來不只是國際旅客連我們台灣自己的國人連台北人在北車都會迷路這一座迷宮什麼時候才可以關掉什麼時候我們可以打開一個友善路人友善行人的車站我們希望這一日早日到來所以說剛剛有具體建議的我們指標系統改善的期間就先來進行台北車站跟板橋車站的改造盤點可不可以做到\n\n30\n00:10:39,173 --> 00:11:02,488\n好謝謝委員已經是再次提出北車的這個指標系統的更新那上次您建議之後交通部台鐵已經在著手進行了那它現在這個更新案已經在進行到現在必須要有個場域讓它能夠實踐所以用台北車站旺華車站來做實踐的場域我想交通部要馬上著手我希望我過去的生活經驗這個笑話不要再流傳下去了\n\n31\n00:11:02,668 --> 00:11:17,528\n希望未來院長從C3門進場的時候也不會迷路好那接下來呢一樣是要感謝中央對於北市交通的軌道建設因為這個我非常的關注從我當市議員的時候當時就跟林昶卓委員\n\n32\n00:11:18,029 --> 00:11:40,281\n一起到我們捷運萬大線的工程地跟我們台北市長蔣安安一起來進行會勘現在中央其實挹注我們台北市相當多的經費尤其以軌道建設為例目前我們的捷運萬大線南北環東環新義東延中央合併補助的總共是一千億光是這條線總共一千億所以真的是要感謝因為這幾年的原物料工程都上漲\n\n33\n00:11:41,281 --> 00:12:00,158\n這個院長部長非常了解所以他的工程經費都持續在變動當中那雖然說財化把每一年從中央拿走3700億對我們中央財政是有非常大的壓力跟衝擊但是軌道建設他真的是一個城市的命脈也與民眾每一日的生活日常非常之相關\n\n34\n00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:22,151\n所以我今天還是要特別來請命拜託希望我們中央對於北市的軌道建設的挹注可以持續的來進行因為呢就我們所知台北市在去年有提出萬大一期第三次的修正計畫就是希望我們中央在原先挹注的203億之外要再去增加\n\n35\n00:12:23,432 --> 00:12:45,289\n54億的補助那這個我的了解也是確實因為原物料上漲的關係真的有這個壓力所在那我知道我們中央去年11月的時候請台北市政府要去修正就是9月提案的時候我們第一次原則性是審查通過了是不是部長報告原事的\n\n36\n00:12:45,609 --> 00:13:09,780\n第一次提案我們是同意的但是請台北市政府要去修正再來送件那送進來了沒有應該已經送進來我們現在正在審查當中所以送進來這一次原則上我們審查通過如果修正的都是有符合我們就會來同意補助有沒有符合我們要的方向如果有符合的話我們原則上是同意的\n\n37\n00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:26,560\n好那這個真的是要拜託院長因為捷運萬大線這個在地人已經等了20年了很多人是從小的時候就在等這一條捷運台北市是我們未來這個首都圈黃金狼帶的核心中的核心所以現在的多元的建設都有\n\n38\n00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:53,592\n在現有的綿密的交通路網之上我們要讓它完整更精緻所以我們跟地方跟台北市政府的合作是勢必進行下去的只是未來真的如果財政收支發放法做這樣的這個變革的話我們必須跟地方政府在商談過去核定的地方負擔的金額要適度的來調整才有辦法在原來的年限當中來完成所以我也很希望財政收支發放法我們有機會再做合理的討論\n\n39\n00:13:54,471 --> 00:14:19,472\n是好那接下來呢也是要跟院長討論也是要感謝就是在萬華的萬華火車站這個我不知道院長有沒有來萬華搭過火車那對在地很多企業來講這個早期這裡都是鐵路火車站其實他們是一個重要的回憶但是以現代來講現代的火車站他必須要當代的功能所以呢去年我們跟交通部還有台鐵\n\n40\n00:14:20,072 --> 00:14:24,735\n也進行過多次的討論也謝謝部長一直非常的支持我們選定了萬華火車站作為台鐵年度美學改造車站之一去年五月的時候也特別謝謝台鐵到萬華來召開了在地居民的這個意見收集座談會我們地方參與的非常有樂包括對面的服飾商圈在地的文史團體很多的店家大家都是第一次可以\n\n41\n00:14:46,829 --> 00:15:06,719\n自己切身的來討論我們身邊的這個火車站它應該要有哪些功能它可以再呈現哪些在地的特色那我想要請教一下部長目前這一個萬華火車站的美學改造案我們的進度是如何呢我們目前正在設計規劃當中預計今年年底會完成設計規劃那明年的六月會完成整體的發包\n\n42\n00:15:07,438 --> 00:15:25,198\n明年六月之前就會進行發報好非常感謝那我也希望在設計的過程當中要再次來到在地跟我們居民一起來討論我們非常的期待新的萬華火車站新的改造樣貌謝謝關於城市美學跟文化的底蘊在期委員多多的指教好感謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n14147\t18215\t好 謝謝主席 我請行政院院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n28359\t43835\t副委員好院長好院長你過去曾經說過要讓台灣不僅是科技島同時也要是觀光大國那台北市呢我們是許多國際旅客來到台灣的第一站所以台北也是台灣向世界遞出的一張名片\n44315\t64187\t那作為一個國際城市呢台北的文化運動交通都非常的重要因為我認為這是發展觀光的基礎所以今天我想要跟院長討論的也就是我們台北市的水岸淡水和流域的治理因為我們看了世界很多國家知名的城市呢都是與它的河川共生\n64707\t86588\t除了可以發展觀光以外它也是城市一個很重要的地標例如我們看到京都有鴨川它貫穿了整個京都市在倫敦你如果是搭乘泰晤士河的遊船呢你就可以看到倫敦鐵橋跟大笨鐘那巴黎奧運的時候我們看到開幕式就在賽納河上舉辦各國的代表團包括台灣的代表團\n87188\t103228\t也都搭著船來進場所以我想河岸它不只是城市景觀的一部分它也貫穿了一個城市的歷史好 那接下來要跟院長討論的就是淡水河流域跟我們台北省的建成它是息息相關的以我的選區萬華來說\n105050\t123758\t過去就是因為淡水河的貿易讓蒙甲身為台北市最早發展的趨勢讓蒙甲這個詞Banga它過去就是平埔族跟泰雅族語的船的意思所翻譯過來的所以大家也都熟知一浮二露三蒙甲這個說法但是呢我帶院長看一下我不知道院長有沒有來過我們萬華的河岸\n126260\t138221\t這個在照片上的左邊就是我們萬華的河岸在右邊呢就是大稻埕的河岸你可以看到它是有結案的不同那當然除了這個市政府的水岸的規劃以外\n140371\t164433\t也在於它的這個水域的水流的特性那事實上我看了我們經濟部水利署其實有做過相關的研究報告在水利署的帶水河流域整體改善與調適規劃報告當中也提到了其實在對萬華來說萬華很多的棋老他們生命的記憶跟帶水河生命不可分因為我們最早的這個水氣生活就是從我們河岸開始\n165834\t183909\t所以呢在報告當中也提到了淡水河的建議的應該它的主軸定位應該是魅力水都大河形象那要配合沿岸的台北市跟新北市政府一起來做改造的意向在同樣的報告當中我們也看到\n185410\t207335\t我們現在新的這個流域治理治水的概念應該不能像過往一樣以前我們是遇到淹水才來治水現在我們應該要從流域有一個整體規劃的思維所以我非常的肯定院長林上任之後大力推動的行政院水及流域永續推動小組\n208195\t232916\t是不是就要來推動系統性的治理規劃能不能跟我們說明一下什麼叫做系統性的水域治理規劃每一個城市如果有一條河流會讓這個城市更美麗我也經常到大稻埕這個河岸邊我也經常到基隆河的大家公園去打球等等我有這個形容說河岸的城市河岸會讓城市的倒影\n233604\t251327\t呈現出來看得到城市的倒影才能讓我們看到城市的歷史跟未來的發展所以我們在系統性治水當中我們今年有編了五百五十億的這個預算比過去都還多我們希望的達到是一個有水但是沒有災害但是用水\n252110\t274462\t而且是有節度的另外就是讓水清讓生物能夠進來也讓人能夠親近這就是我們水及流域永續推動小組所在辦理的這個系統性治水那這個我們希望在今年預算的執行底下我們能夠補過去八年八百億或是前瞻基礎建設當中所遺留下來的後面這一里路把整個\n275928\t286149\t防災防洪的治水工程能夠在最後再把它補足讓水跟人民是可以親近的而是可以利用的我們可以用它發展更多的觀光產業甚至發展更多的水資源\n287804\t315926\t事實上我們也非常的期待因為過去我在台北市議會的時候也看到地方政府的努力對我們整個沿岸的休閒運動的規劃設施是不斷在持續進步的但是呢河岸的休憩跟水域的治水我想這兩者是相輔相成而且必須要去並進的所以台北市的淡水和流域的進步還有很大的一個空間我在水利署的報告裡面有看到光是淡水和流域的整治它就會涉及了\n316266\t319348\t超過21個政府的單位包括中央跟地方的\n346186\t357720\t平台因為我看到我們其實已經有相關的研究報告現在就缺少了規劃我們需要踏出那個執行行動的第一步是不是可以先開啟這個搭建這個討論協調的平台我們先開始來討論我們要怎麼樣來把淡水河流域打造的更適合民眾更清水更友善\n366010\t381725\t謝謝委員的建議我們可以這麼做但是他一定需要台北市新北市雙方政府一起來加入這個平台這個平台才能發揮它的作用我們也非常樂意來協助邀請地方政府一起來討論同時因為在你們的報告當中也提到\n382245\t410976\t治水 公司協力很重要所以呢過去在萬華這個社區大學已經長年都在進行這個清水相關的工作坊導覽活動都有在進行當中水利署也跟我們在地的這些民間團體也有過多次的會議討論所以我想這民間的意見也非常重要希望可以有行政院出面來邀集地方政府跟民間團體一起來討論我們如何把淡水河流域打造成一條台北市的觀光勝地景點\n411716\t419684\t我們一起請水利、交通甚至觀光的部會機關都一起來加入我們弄一個專案來讓淡水河比現在更美麗\n420336\t445753\t好 謝謝接下來要跟院長討論的是我想院長一定也很熟悉的一個地點就是台北車站國外旅客來台北搭機集的第一站就是台北車站台北車站是我們台灣的國門所以事實上我進立法院之後第一場的總諮詢就跟行政院討論到台北車站在國際旅客以及國人當中它有一個外號叫做北車迷宮不知道院長有沒有聽過\n447142\t449784\t所以院長也知道北車真的是一座迷宮部長有沒有聽過北車迷宮這個稱號我自己的感受也是跟院長是類似\n467774\t479944\t是 我們台灣的主持人胡瓜哥他有做過一集節目就是測試在台北車站裡面能不能順利通過這個迷宮結果當然不是很順利所以呢 過去其實跟行政院已經有討論了台鐵也已經動起來我們在進行的是台鐵的指標系統手冊更新案\n486690\t516327\t那113年9月啟動我目前看到要直到115年6月才會完成那這個部長能不能跟我們說明一下這是因為什麼樣的原因我們需要這麼長期的時間報告委員這是委外做的一個研究案子那他們當時設定的時間我這樣看其實也是有點長那這個部分我再跟台鐵公司我們一起來研究看有沒有辦法再縮短因為他這個是台灣設計研究院辦理的他可能比較細緻去做研究\n516727\t534971\t但是我覺得這個時間一拖長這一兩年裡面沒有辦法快速解決問題也不是個好事我們會來研商看怎麼樣讓它時程可以再縮短一些那等它研究做完之後我們台北車站跟板橋車站會優先來做示範區域先來試行看看那如果可以的話其他車站也一起納入\n535427\t559527\t是 它之所以會是一個迷宮就是因為它其實四鐵共構還有台鐵 高鐵 北鐵 基鐵所以我們看到它在很多的節點它的指標系統是不同套的所以沒有把它統一所以我可以了解說因為我們要做全國這次你們的更新是珍貴全國嘛不是只有這一座車站所以我具體建議是我們的指標系統更新的工作\n560188\t579688\t跟我們台北車站以及剛剛部長提到板橋車站因為我也邀請你們到現場會看過跟這兩座車站的改造其實可以同步來並行可以同步來並行你要先開始盤點嘛因為我相信你光是台北車站哪一些地方它未來必須要被更新改造\n580809\t608107\t這個光是盤點恐怕就需要時間所以我很擔心你們等到指標系統是全國性的一個系統等到指標系統盤點完再來進行現場的會刊再去了解說我有哪些是需要改造的哇 那可能又過半年又過一年了所以我的具體建議是這兩者我們同步來並行那一旦我們指標系統更新一完成馬上開始施作我認為這是我們最快可以來去改善台北車站這是我們台灣的國門啊\n609488\t638573\t所以真的是要拜託院長跟部長來幫我們想一想怎麼樣未來不只是國際旅客連我們台灣自己的國人連台北人在北車都會迷路這一座迷宮什麼時候才可以關掉什麼時候我們可以打開一個友善路人 友善行人的車站我們希望這一日早日到來所以說剛剛有具體建議的我們指標系統改善的期間就先來進行台北車站跟板橋車站的改造盤點可不可以做到\n639173\t662488\t好 謝謝委員 已經是再次提出北車的這個指標系統的更新那上次您建議之後 交通部台鐵已經在著手進行了那它現在這個更新案已經在進行到現在必須要有個場域 讓它能夠實踐所以用台北車站 旺華車站來做實踐的場域我想交通部要馬上著手我希望我過去的生活經驗 這個笑話不要再流傳下去了\n662668\t677528\t希望未來院長從C3門進場的時候也不會迷路好那接下來呢一樣是要感謝中央對於北市交通的軌道建設因為這個我非常的關注從我當市議員的時候當時就跟林昶卓委員\n678029\t700281\t一起到我們捷運萬大線的工程地跟我們台北市長蔣安安一起來進行會勘現在中央其實挹注我們台北市相當多的經費尤其以軌道建設為例目前我們的捷運萬大線南北環東環新義東延中央合併補助的總共是一千億光是這條線總共一千億所以真的是要感謝因為這幾年的原物料工程都上漲\n701281\t720158\t這個院長部長非常了解所以他的工程經費都持續在變動當中那雖然說財化把每一年從中央拿走3700億對我們中央財政是有非常大的壓力跟衝擊但是軌道建設他真的是一個城市的命脈也與民眾每一日的生活日常非常之相關\n720799\t742151\t所以我今天還是要特別來請命拜託希望我們中央對於北市的軌道建設的挹注可以持續的來進行因為呢就我們所知台北市在去年有提出萬大一期第三次的修正計畫就是希望我們中央在原先挹注的203億之外要再去增加\n743432\t765289\t54億的補助那這個我的了解也是確實因為原物料上漲的關係真的有這個壓力所在那我知道我們中央去年11月的時候請台北市政府要去修正就是9月提案的時候我們第一次原則性是審查通過了是不是部長報告原事的\n765609\t789780\t第一次提案我們是同意的但是請台北市政府要去修正再來送件那送進來了沒有應該已經送進來我們現在正在審查當中所以送進來這一次原則上我們審查通過如果修正的都是有符合我們就會來同意補助有沒有符合我們要的方向如果有符合的話我們原則上是同意的\n790100\t806560\t好那這個真的是要拜託院長因為捷運萬大線這個在地人已經等了20年了很多人是從小的時候就在等這一條捷運台北市是我們未來這個首都圈黃金狼帶的核心中的核心所以現在的多元的建設都有\n806960\t833592\t在現有的綿密的交通路網之上我們要讓它完整更精緻所以我們跟地方跟台北市政府的合作是勢必進行下去的只是未來真的如果財政收支發放法做這樣的這個變革的話我們必須跟地方政府在商談過去核定的地方負擔的金額要適度的來調整才有辦法在原來的年限當中來完成所以我也很希望財政收支發放法我們有機會再做合理的討論\n834471\t859472\t是好那接下來呢也是要跟院長討論也是要感謝就是在萬華的萬華火車站這個我不知道院長有沒有來萬華搭過火車那對在地很多企業來講這個早期這裡都是鐵路火車站其實他們是一個重要的回憶但是以現代來講現代的火車站他必須要當代的功能所以呢去年我們跟交通部還有台鐵\n860072\t864735\t也進行過多次的討論也謝謝部長一直非常的支持我們選定了萬華火車站作為台鐵年度美學改造車站之一去年五月的時候也特別謝謝台鐵到萬華來召開了在地居民的這個意見收集座談會我們地方參與的非常有樂包括對面的服飾商圈在地的文史團體很多的店家大家都是第一次可以\n886829\t906719\t自己切身的來討論我們身邊的這個火車站它應該要有哪些功能它可以再呈現哪些在地的特色那我想要請教一下部長目前這一個萬華火車站的美學改造案我們的進度是如何呢我們目前正在設計規劃當中預計今年年底會完成設計規劃那明年的六月會完成整體的發包\n907438\t925198\t明年六月之前就會進行發報好 非常感謝那我也希望在設計的過程當中要再次來到在地跟我們居民一起來討論我們非常的期待新的萬華火車站新的改造樣貌謝謝關於城市美學跟文化的底蘊在期委員多多的指教好 感謝 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我請行政院院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n副委員好院長好院長你過去曾經說過要讓台灣不僅是科技島同時也要是觀光大國那台北市呢我們是許多國際旅客來到台灣的第一站所以台北也是台灣向世界遞出的一張名片\n那作為一個國際城市呢台北的文化運動交通都非常的重要因為我認為這是發展觀光的基礎所以今天我想要跟院長討論的也就是我們台北市的水岸淡水和流域的治理因為我們看了世界很多國家知名的城市呢都是與它的河川共生\n除了可以發展觀光以外它也是城市一個很重要的地標例如我們看到京都有鴨川它貫穿了整個京都市在倫敦你如果是搭乘泰晤士河的遊船呢你就可以看到倫敦鐵橋跟大笨鐘那巴黎奧運的時候我們看到開幕式就在賽納河上舉辦各國的代表團包括台灣的代表團\n也都搭著船來進場所以我想河岸它不只是城市景觀的一部分它也貫穿了一個城市的歷史好 那接下來要跟院長討論的就是淡水河流域跟我們台北省的建成它是息息相關的以我的選區萬華來說\n過去就是因為淡水河的貿易讓蒙甲身為台北市最早發展的趨勢讓蒙甲這個詞Banga它過去就是平埔族跟泰雅族語的船的意思所翻譯過來的所以大家也都熟知一浮二露三蒙甲這個說法但是呢我帶院長看一下我不知道院長有沒有來過我們萬華的河岸\n這個在照片上的左邊就是我們萬華的河岸在右邊呢就是大稻埕的河岸你可以看到它是有結案的不同那當然除了這個市政府的水岸的規劃以外\n也在於它的這個水域的水流的特性那事實上我看了我們經濟部水利署其實有做過相關的研究報告在水利署的帶水河流域整體改善與調適規劃報告當中也提到了其實在對萬華來說萬華很多的棋老他們生命的記憶跟帶水河生命不可分因為我們最早的這個水氣生活就是從我們河岸開始\n所以呢在報告當中也提到了淡水河的建議的應該它的主軸定位應該是魅力水都大河形象那要配合沿岸的台北市跟新北市政府一起來做改造的意向在同樣的報告當中我們也看到\n我們現在新的這個流域治理治水的概念應該不能像過往一樣以前我們是遇到淹水才來治水現在我們應該要從流域有一個整體規劃的思維所以我非常的肯定院長林上任之後大力推動的行政院水及流域永續推動小組\n是不是就要來推動系統性的治理規劃能不能跟我們說明一下什麼叫做系統性的水域治理規劃每一個城市如果有一條河流會讓這個城市更美麗我也經常到大稻埕這個河岸邊我也經常到基隆河的大家公園去打球等等我有這個形容說河岸的城市河岸會讓城市的倒影\n呈現出來看得到城市的倒影才能讓我們看到城市的歷史跟未來的發展所以我們在系統性治水當中我們今年有編了五百五十億的這個預算比過去都還多我們希望的達到是一個有水但是沒有災害但是用水\n而且是有節度的另外就是讓水清讓生物能夠進來也讓人能夠親近這就是我們水及流域永續推動小組所在辦理的這個系統性治水那這個我們希望在今年預算的執行底下我們能夠補過去八年八百億或是前瞻基礎建設當中所遺留下來的後面這一里路把整個\n防災防洪的治水工程能夠在最後再把它補足讓水跟人民是可以親近的而是可以利用的我們可以用它發展更多的觀光產業甚至發展更多的水資源\n事實上我們也非常的期待因為過去我在台北市議會的時候也看到地方政府的努力對我們整個沿岸的休閒運動的規劃設施是不斷在持續進步的但是呢河岸的休憩跟水域的治水我想這兩者是相輔相成而且必須要去並進的所以台北市的淡水和流域的進步還有很大的一個空間我在水利署的報告裡面有看到光是淡水和流域的整治它就會涉及了\n超過21個政府的單位包括中央跟地方的\n平台因為我看到我們其實已經有相關的研究報告現在就缺少了規劃我們需要踏出那個執行行動的第一步是不是可以先開啟這個搭建這個討論協調的平台我們先開始來討論我們要怎麼樣來把淡水河流域打造的更適合民眾更清水更友善\n謝謝委員的建議我們可以這麼做但是他一定需要台北市新北市雙方政府一起來加入這個平台這個平台才能發揮它的作用我們也非常樂意來協助邀請地方政府一起來討論同時因為在你們的報告當中也提到\n治水 公司協力很重要所以呢過去在萬華這個社區大學已經長年都在進行這個清水相關的工作坊導覽活動都有在進行當中水利署也跟我們在地的這些民間團體也有過多次的會議討論所以我想這民間的意見也非常重要希望可以有行政院出面來邀集地方政府跟民間團體一起來討論我們如何把淡水河流域打造成一條台北市的觀光勝地景點\n我們一起請水利、交通甚至觀光的部會機關都一起來加入我們弄一個專案來讓淡水河比現在更美麗\n好 謝謝接下來要跟院長討論的是我想院長一定也很熟悉的一個地點就是台北車站國外旅客來台北搭機集的第一站就是台北車站台北車站是我們台灣的國門所以事實上我進立法院之後第一場的總諮詢就跟行政院討論到台北車站在國際旅客以及國人當中它有一個外號叫做北車迷宮不知道院長有沒有聽過\n所以院長也知道北車真的是一座迷宮部長有沒有聽過北車迷宮這個稱號我自己的感受也是跟院長是類似\n是 我們台灣的主持人胡瓜哥他有做過一集節目就是測試在台北車站裡面能不能順利通過這個迷宮結果當然不是很順利所以呢 過去其實跟行政院已經有討論了台鐵也已經動起來我們在進行的是台鐵的指標系統手冊更新案\n那113年9月啟動我目前看到要直到115年6月才會完成那這個部長能不能跟我們說明一下這是因為什麼樣的原因我們需要這麼長期的時間報告委員這是委外做的一個研究案子那他們當時設定的時間我這樣看其實也是有點長那這個部分我再跟台鐵公司我們一起來研究看有沒有辦法再縮短因為他這個是台灣設計研究院辦理的他可能比較細緻去做研究\n但是我覺得這個時間一拖長這一兩年裡面沒有辦法快速解決問題也不是個好事我們會來研商看怎麼樣讓它時程可以再縮短一些那等它研究做完之後我們台北車站跟板橋車站會優先來做示範區域先來試行看看那如果可以的話其他車站也一起納入\n是 它之所以會是一個迷宮就是因為它其實四鐵共構還有台鐵 高鐵 北鐵 基鐵所以我們看到它在很多的節點它的指標系統是不同套的所以沒有把它統一所以我可以了解說因為我們要做全國這次你們的更新是珍貴全國嘛不是只有這一座車站所以我具體建議是我們的指標系統更新的工作\n跟我們台北車站以及剛剛部長提到板橋車站因為我也邀請你們到現場會看過跟這兩座車站的改造其實可以同步來並行可以同步來並行你要先開始盤點嘛因為我相信你光是台北車站哪一些地方它未來必須要被更新改造\n這個光是盤點恐怕就需要時間所以我很擔心你們等到指標系統是全國性的一個系統等到指標系統盤點完再來進行現場的會刊再去了解說我有哪些是需要改造的哇 那可能又過半年又過一年了所以我的具體建議是這兩者我們同步來並行那一旦我們指標系統更新一完成馬上開始施作我認為這是我們最快可以來去改善台北車站這是我們台灣的國門啊\n所以真的是要拜託院長跟部長來幫我們想一想怎麼樣未來不只是國際旅客連我們台灣自己的國人連台北人在北車都會迷路這一座迷宮什麼時候才可以關掉什麼時候我們可以打開一個友善路人 友善行人的車站我們希望這一日早日到來所以說剛剛有具體建議的我們指標系統改善的期間就先來進行台北車站跟板橋車站的改造盤點可不可以做到\n好 謝謝委員 已經是再次提出北車的這個指標系統的更新那上次您建議之後 交通部台鐵已經在著手進行了那它現在這個更新案已經在進行到現在必須要有個場域 讓它能夠實踐所以用台北車站 旺華車站來做實踐的場域我想交通部要馬上著手我希望我過去的生活經驗 這個笑話不要再流傳下去了\n希望未來院長從C3門進場的時候也不會迷路好那接下來呢一樣是要感謝中央對於北市交通的軌道建設因為這個我非常的關注從我當市議員的時候當時就跟林昶卓委員\n一起到我們捷運萬大線的工程地跟我們台北市長蔣安安一起來進行會勘現在中央其實挹注我們台北市相當多的經費尤其以軌道建設為例目前我們的捷運萬大線南北環東環新義東延中央合併補助的總共是一千億光是這條線總共一千億所以真的是要感謝因為這幾年的原物料工程都上漲\n這個院長部長非常了解所以他的工程經費都持續在變動當中那雖然說財化把每一年從中央拿走3700億對我們中央財政是有非常大的壓力跟衝擊但是軌道建設他真的是一個城市的命脈也與民眾每一日的生活日常非常之相關\n所以我今天還是要特別來請命拜託希望我們中央對於北市的軌道建設的挹注可以持續的來進行因為呢就我們所知台北市在去年有提出萬大一期第三次的修正計畫就是希望我們中央在原先挹注的203億之外要再去增加\n54億的補助那這個我的了解也是確實因為原物料上漲的關係真的有這個壓力所在那我知道我們中央去年11月的時候請台北市政府要去修正就是9月提案的時候我們第一次原則性是審查通過了是不是部長報告原事的\n第一次提案我們是同意的但是請台北市政府要去修正再來送件那送進來了沒有應該已經送進來我們現在正在審查當中所以送進來這一次原則上我們審查通過如果修正的都是有符合我們就會來同意補助有沒有符合我們要的方向如果有符合的話我們原則上是同意的\n好那這個真的是要拜託院長因為捷運萬大線這個在地人已經等了20年了很多人是從小的時候就在等這一條捷運台北市是我們未來這個首都圈黃金狼帶的核心中的核心所以現在的多元的建設都有\n在現有的綿密的交通路網之上我們要讓它完整更精緻所以我們跟地方跟台北市政府的合作是勢必進行下去的只是未來真的如果財政收支發放法做這樣的這個變革的話我們必須跟地方政府在商談過去核定的地方負擔的金額要適度的來調整才有辦法在原來的年限當中來完成所以我也很希望財政收支發放法我們有機會再做合理的討論\n是好那接下來呢也是要跟院長討論也是要感謝就是在萬華的萬華火車站這個我不知道院長有沒有來萬華搭過火車那對在地很多企業來講這個早期這裡都是鐵路火車站其實他們是一個重要的回憶但是以現代來講現代的火車站他必須要當代的功能所以呢去年我們跟交通部還有台鐵\n也進行過多次的討論也謝謝部長一直非常的支持我們選定了萬華火車站作為台鐵年度美學改造車站之一去年五月的時候也特別謝謝台鐵到萬華來召開了在地居民的這個意見收集座談會我們地方參與的非常有樂包括對面的服飾商圈在地的文史團體很多的店家大家都是第一次可以\n自己切身的來討論我們身邊的這個火車站它應該要有哪些功能它可以再呈現哪些在地的特色那我想要請教一下部長目前這一個萬華火車站的美學改造案我們的進度是如何呢我們目前正在設計規劃當中預計今年年底會完成設計規劃那明年的六月會完成整體的發包\n明年六月之前就會進行發報好 非常感謝那我也希望在設計的過程當中要再次來到在地跟我們居民一起來討論我們非常的期待新的萬華火車站新的改造樣貌謝謝關於城市美學跟文化的底蘊在期委員多多的指教好 感謝 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.147 --> 00:18.215\n好謝謝主席我請行政院院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n00:28.359 --> 00:43.835\n副委員好院長好院長你過去曾經說過要讓台灣不僅是科技島同時也要是觀光大國那台北市呢我們是許多國際旅客來到台灣的第一站所以台北也是台灣向世界遞出的一張名片\n\n00:44.315 --> 01:04.187\n那作為一個國際城市呢台北的文化運動交通都非常的重要因為我認為這是發展觀光的基礎所以今天我想要跟院長討論的也就是我們台北市的水岸淡水和流域的治理因為我們看了世界很多國家知名的城市呢都是與它的河川共生\n\n01:04.707 --> 01:26.588\n除了可以發展觀光以外它也是城市一個很重要的地標例如我們看到京都有鴨川它貫穿了整個京都市在倫敦你如果是搭乘泰晤士河的遊船呢你就可以看到倫敦鐵橋跟大笨鐘那巴黎奧運的時候我們看到開幕式就在賽納河上舉辦各國的代表團包括台灣的代表團\n\n01:27.188 --> 01:43.228\n也都搭著船來進場所以我想河岸它不只是城市景觀的一部分它也貫穿了一個城市的歷史好那接下來要跟院長討論的就是淡水河流域跟我們台北省的建成它是息息相關的以我的選區萬華來說\n\n01:45.050 --> 02:03.758\n過去就是因為淡水河的貿易讓蒙甲身為台北市最早發展的趨勢讓蒙甲這個詞Banga它過去就是平埔族跟泰雅族語的船的意思所翻譯過來的所以大家也都熟知一浮二露三蒙甲這個說法但是呢我帶院長看一下我不知道院長有沒有來過我們萬華的河岸\n\n02:06.260 --> 02:18.221\n這個在照片上的左邊就是我們萬華的河岸在右邊呢就是大稻埕的河岸你可以看到它是有結案的不同那當然除了這個市政府的水岸的規劃以外\n\n02:20.371 --> 02:44.433\n也在於它的這個水域的水流的特性那事實上我看了我們經濟部水利署其實有做過相關的研究報告在水利署的帶水河流域整體改善與調適規劃報告當中也提到了其實在對萬華來說萬華很多的棋老他們生命的記憶跟帶水河生命不可分因為我們最早的這個水氣生活就是從我們河岸開始\n\n02:45.834 --> 03:03.909\n所以呢在報告當中也提到了淡水河的建議的應該它的主軸定位應該是魅力水都大河形象那要配合沿岸的台北市跟新北市政府一起來做改造的意向在同樣的報告當中我們也看到\n\n03:05.410 --> 03:27.335\n我們現在新的這個流域治理治水的概念應該不能像過往一樣以前我們是遇到淹水才來治水現在我們應該要從流域有一個整體規劃的思維所以我非常的肯定院長林上任之後大力推動的行政院水及流域永續推動小組\n\n03:28.195 --> 03:52.916\n是不是就要來推動系統性的治理規劃能不能跟我們說明一下什麼叫做系統性的水域治理規劃每一個城市如果有一條河流會讓這個城市更美麗我也經常到大稻埕這個河岸邊我也經常到基隆河的大家公園去打球等等我有這個形容說河岸的城市河岸會讓城市的倒影\n\n03:53.604 --> 04:11.327\n呈現出來看得到城市的倒影才能讓我們看到城市的歷史跟未來的發展所以我們在系統性治水當中我們今年有編了五百五十億的這個預算比過去都還多我們希望的達到是一個有水但是沒有災害但是用水\n\n04:12.110 --> 04:34.462\n而且是有節度的另外就是讓水清讓生物能夠進來也讓人能夠親近這就是我們水及流域永續推動小組所在辦理的這個系統性治水那這個我們希望在今年預算的執行底下我們能夠補過去八年八百億或是前瞻基礎建設當中所遺留下來的後面這一里路把整個\n\n04:35.928 --> 04:46.149\n防災防洪的治水工程能夠在最後再把它補足讓水跟人民是可以親近的而是可以利用的我們可以用它發展更多的觀光產業甚至發展更多的水資源\n\n04:47.804 --> 05:15.926\n事實上我們也非常的期待因為過去我在台北市議會的時候也看到地方政府的努力對我們整個沿岸的休閒運動的規劃設施是不斷在持續進步的但是呢河岸的休憩跟水域的治水我想這兩者是相輔相成而且必須要去並進的所以台北市的淡水和流域的進步還有很大的一個空間我在水利署的報告裡面有看到光是淡水和流域的整治它就會涉及了\n\n05:16.266 --> 05:19.348\n超過21個政府的單位包括中央跟地方的\n\n05:46.186 --> 05:57.720\n平台因為我看到我們其實已經有相關的研究報告現在就缺少了規劃我們需要踏出那個執行行動的第一步是不是可以先開啟這個搭建這個討論協調的平台我們先開始來討論我們要怎麼樣來把淡水河流域打造的更適合民眾更清水更友善\n\n06:06.010 --> 06:21.725\n謝謝委員的建議我們可以這麼做但是他一定需要台北市新北市雙方政府一起來加入這個平台這個平台才能發揮它的作用我們也非常樂意來協助邀請地方政府一起來討論同時因為在你們的報告當中也提到\n\n06:22.245 --> 06:50.976\n治水公司協力很重要所以呢過去在萬華這個社區大學已經長年都在進行這個清水相關的工作坊導覽活動都有在進行當中水利署也跟我們在地的這些民間團體也有過多次的會議討論所以我想這民間的意見也非常重要希望可以有行政院出面來邀集地方政府跟民間團體一起來討論我們如何把淡水河流域打造成一條台北市的觀光勝地景點\n\n06:51.716 --> 06:59.684\n我們一起請水利、交通甚至觀光的部會機關都一起來加入我們弄一個專案來讓淡水河比現在更美麗\n\n07:00.336 --> 07:25.753\n好謝謝接下來要跟院長討論的是我想院長一定也很熟悉的一個地點就是台北車站國外旅客來台北搭機集的第一站就是台北車站台北車站是我們台灣的國門所以事實上我進立法院之後第一場的總諮詢就跟行政院討論到台北車站在國際旅客以及國人當中它有一個外號叫做北車迷宮不知道院長有沒有聽過\n\n07:27.142 --> 07:29.784\n所以院長也知道北車真的是一座迷宮部長有沒有聽過北車迷宮這個稱號我自己的感受也是跟院長是類似\n\n07:47.774 --> 07:59.944\n是我們台灣的主持人胡瓜哥他有做過一集節目就是測試在台北車站裡面能不能順利通過這個迷宮結果當然不是很順利所以呢過去其實跟行政院已經有討論了台鐵也已經動起來我們在進行的是台鐵的指標系統手冊更新案\n\n08:06.690 --> 08:36.327\n那113年9月啟動我目前看到要直到115年6月才會完成那這個部長能不能跟我們說明一下這是因為什麼樣的原因我們需要這麼長期的時間報告委員這是委外做的一個研究案子那他們當時設定的時間我這樣看其實也是有點長那這個部分我再跟台鐵公司我們一起來研究看有沒有辦法再縮短因為他這個是台灣設計研究院辦理的他可能比較細緻去做研究\n\n08:36.727 --> 08:54.971\n但是我覺得這個時間一拖長這一兩年裡面沒有辦法快速解決問題也不是個好事我們會來研商看怎麼樣讓它時程可以再縮短一些那等它研究做完之後我們台北車站跟板橋車站會優先來做示範區域先來試行看看那如果可以的話其他車站也一起納入\n\n08:55.427 --> 09:19.527\n是它之所以會是一個迷宮就是因為它其實四鐵共構還有台鐵高鐵北鐵基鐵所以我們看到它在很多的節點它的指標系統是不同套的所以沒有把它統一所以我可以了解說因為我們要做全國這次你們的更新是珍貴全國嘛不是只有這一座車站所以我具體建議是我們的指標系統更新的工作\n\n09:20.188 --> 09:39.688\n跟我們台北車站以及剛剛部長提到板橋車站因為我也邀請你們到現場會看過跟這兩座車站的改造其實可以同步來並行可以同步來並行你要先開始盤點嘛因為我相信你光是台北車站哪一些地方它未來必須要被更新改造\n\n09:40.809 --> 10:08.107\n這個光是盤點恐怕就需要時間所以我很擔心你們等到指標系統是全國性的一個系統等到指標系統盤點完再來進行現場的會刊再去了解說我有哪些是需要改造的哇那可能又過半年又過一年了所以我的具體建議是這兩者我們同步來並行那一旦我們指標系統更新一完成馬上開始施作我認為這是我們最快可以來去改善台北車站這是我們台灣的國門啊\n\n10:09.488 --> 10:38.573\n所以真的是要拜託院長跟部長來幫我們想一想怎麼樣未來不只是國際旅客連我們台灣自己的國人連台北人在北車都會迷路這一座迷宮什麼時候才可以關掉什麼時候我們可以打開一個友善路人友善行人的車站我們希望這一日早日到來所以說剛剛有具體建議的我們指標系統改善的期間就先來進行台北車站跟板橋車站的改造盤點可不可以做到\n\n10:39.173 --> 11:02.488\n好謝謝委員已經是再次提出北車的這個指標系統的更新那上次您建議之後交通部台鐵已經在著手進行了那它現在這個更新案已經在進行到現在必須要有個場域讓它能夠實踐所以用台北車站旺華車站來做實踐的場域我想交通部要馬上著手我希望我過去的生活經驗這個笑話不要再流傳下去了\n\n11:02.668 --> 11:17.528\n希望未來院長從C3門進場的時候也不會迷路好那接下來呢一樣是要感謝中央對於北市交通的軌道建設因為這個我非常的關注從我當市議員的時候當時就跟林昶卓委員\n\n11:18.029 --> 11:40.281\n一起到我們捷運萬大線的工程地跟我們台北市長蔣安安一起來進行會勘現在中央其實挹注我們台北市相當多的經費尤其以軌道建設為例目前我們的捷運萬大線南北環東環新義東延中央合併補助的總共是一千億光是這條線總共一千億所以真的是要感謝因為這幾年的原物料工程都上漲\n\n11:41.281 --> 12:00.158\n這個院長部長非常了解所以他的工程經費都持續在變動當中那雖然說財化把每一年從中央拿走3700億對我們中央財政是有非常大的壓力跟衝擊但是軌道建設他真的是一個城市的命脈也與民眾每一日的生活日常非常之相關\n\n12:00.799 --> 12:22.151\n所以我今天還是要特別來請命拜託希望我們中央對於北市的軌道建設的挹注可以持續的來進行因為呢就我們所知台北市在去年有提出萬大一期第三次的修正計畫就是希望我們中央在原先挹注的203億之外要再去增加\n\n12:23.432 --> 12:45.289\n54億的補助那這個我的了解也是確實因為原物料上漲的關係真的有這個壓力所在那我知道我們中央去年11月的時候請台北市政府要去修正就是9月提案的時候我們第一次原則性是審查通過了是不是部長報告原事的\n\n12:45.609 --> 13:09.780\n第一次提案我們是同意的但是請台北市政府要去修正再來送件那送進來了沒有應該已經送進來我們現在正在審查當中所以送進來這一次原則上我們審查通過如果修正的都是有符合我們就會來同意補助有沒有符合我們要的方向如果有符合的話我們原則上是同意的\n\n13:10.100 --> 13:26.560\n好那這個真的是要拜託院長因為捷運萬大線這個在地人已經等了20年了很多人是從小的時候就在等這一條捷運台北市是我們未來這個首都圈黃金狼帶的核心中的核心所以現在的多元的建設都有\n\n13:26.960 --> 13:53.592\n在現有的綿密的交通路網之上我們要讓它完整更精緻所以我們跟地方跟台北市政府的合作是勢必進行下去的只是未來真的如果財政收支發放法做這樣的這個變革的話我們必須跟地方政府在商談過去核定的地方負擔的金額要適度的來調整才有辦法在原來的年限當中來完成所以我也很希望財政收支發放法我們有機會再做合理的討論\n\n13:54.471 --> 14:19.472\n是好那接下來呢也是要跟院長討論也是要感謝就是在萬華的萬華火車站這個我不知道院長有沒有來萬華搭過火車那對在地很多企業來講這個早期這裡都是鐵路火車站其實他們是一個重要的回憶但是以現代來講現代的火車站他必須要當代的功能所以呢去年我們跟交通部還有台鐵\n\n14:20.072 --> 14:24.735\n也進行過多次的討論也謝謝部長一直非常的支持我們選定了萬華火車站作為台鐵年度美學改造車站之一去年五月的時候也特別謝謝台鐵到萬華來召開了在地居民的這個意見收集座談會我們地方參與的非常有樂包括對面的服飾商圈在地的文史團體很多的店家大家都是第一次可以\n\n14:46.829 --> 15:06.719\n自己切身的來討論我們身邊的這個火車站它應該要有哪些功能它可以再呈現哪些在地的特色那我想要請教一下部長目前這一個萬華火車站的美學改造案我們的進度是如何呢我們目前正在設計規劃當中預計今年年底會完成設計規劃那明年的六月會完成整體的發包\n\n15:07.438 --> 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這個笑話不要再流傳下去了"},{"start":662.668,"end":677.528,"text":"希望未來院長從C3門進場的時候也不會迷路好那接下來呢一樣是要感謝中央對於北市交通的軌道建設因為這個我非常的關注從我當市議員的時候當時就跟林昶卓委員"},{"start":678.029,"end":700.281,"text":"一起到我們捷運萬大線的工程地跟我們台北市長蔣安安一起來進行會勘現在中央其實挹注我們台北市相當多的經費尤其以軌道建設為例目前我們的捷運萬大線南北環東環新義東延中央合併補助的總共是一千億光是這條線總共一千億所以真的是要感謝因為這幾年的原物料工程都上漲"},{"start":701.281,"end":720.158,"text":"這個院長部長非常了解所以他的工程經費都持續在變動當中那雖然說財化把每一年從中央拿走3700億對我們中央財政是有非常大的壓力跟衝擊但是軌道建設他真的是一個城市的命脈也與民眾每一日的生活日常非常之相關"},{"start":720.799,"end":742.151,"text":"所以我今天還是要特別來請命拜託希望我們中央對於北市的軌道建設的挹注可以持續的來進行因為呢就我們所知台北市在去年有提出萬大一期第三次的修正計畫就是希望我們中央在原先挹注的203億之外要再去增加"},{"start":743.432,"end":765.289,"text":"54億的補助那這個我的了解也是確實因為原物料上漲的關係真的有這個壓力所在那我知道我們中央去年11月的時候請台北市政府要去修正就是9月提案的時候我們第一次原則性是審查通過了是不是部長報告原事的"},{"start":765.609,"end":789.78,"text":"第一次提案我們是同意的但是請台北市政府要去修正再來送件那送進來了沒有應該已經送進來我們現在正在審查當中所以送進來這一次原則上我們審查通過如果修正的都是有符合我們就會來同意補助有沒有符合我們要的方向如果有符合的話我們原則上是同意的"},{"start":790.1,"end":806.56,"text":"好那這個真的是要拜託院長因為捷運萬大線這個在地人已經等了20年了很多人是從小的時候就在等這一條捷運台北市是我們未來這個首都圈黃金狼帶的核心中的核心所以現在的多元的建設都有"},{"start":806.96,"end":833.592,"text":"在現有的綿密的交通路網之上我們要讓它完整更精緻所以我們跟地方跟台北市政府的合作是勢必進行下去的只是未來真的如果財政收支發放法做這樣的這個變革的話我們必須跟地方政府在商談過去核定的地方負擔的金額要適度的來調整才有辦法在原來的年限當中來完成所以我也很希望財政收支發放法我們有機會再做合理的討論"},{"start":834.471,"end":859.472,"text":"是好那接下來呢也是要跟院長討論也是要感謝就是在萬華的萬華火車站這個我不知道院長有沒有來萬華搭過火車那對在地很多企業來講這個早期這裡都是鐵路火車站其實他們是一個重要的回憶但是以現代來講現代的火車站他必須要當代的功能所以呢去年我們跟交通部還有台鐵"},{"start":860.072,"end":864.735,"text":"也進行過多次的討論也謝謝部長一直非常的支持我們選定了萬華火車站作為台鐵年度美學改造車站之一去年五月的時候也特別謝謝台鐵到萬華來召開了在地居民的這個意見收集座談會我們地方參與的非常有樂包括對面的服飾商圈在地的文史團體很多的店家大家都是第一次可以"},{"start":886.829,"end":906.719,"text":"自己切身的來討論我們身邊的這個火車站它應該要有哪些功能它可以再呈現哪些在地的特色那我想要請教一下部長目前這一個萬華火車站的美學改造案我們的進度是如何呢我們目前正在設計規劃當中預計今年年底會完成設計規劃那明年的六月會完成整體的發包"},{"start":907.438,"end":925.198,"text":"明年六月之前就會進行發報好 非常感謝那我也希望在設計的過程當中要再次來到在地跟我們居民一起來討論我們非常的期待新的萬華火車站新的改造樣貌謝謝關於城市美學跟文化的底蘊在期委員多多的指教好 感謝 謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":202,"blocks":[["吳委員沛憶：（15時21分）謝謝主席，我請行政院院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：吳委員好。"],["吳委員沛憶：院長好。院長，你過去曾經說過，要讓臺灣不僅是科技島，同時也要是觀光大國。臺北市是許多國際旅客來到臺灣的第一站，所以臺北也是臺灣向世界遞出的一張名片。作為一個國際城市，臺北的文化、運動、交通都非常重要，因為我認為這是發展觀光的基礎，所以今天我想要跟院長討論的，也就是我們臺北市的水岸──淡水河流域治理。我們看到世界上很多國家的知名城市都是與它的河川共生，除了可以發展觀光以外，它也是城市一個很重要的地標，例如我們看到京都有鴨川，它貫穿了整個京都市；在倫敦，如果搭乘泰晤士河的遊船就可以看到倫敦鐵橋跟大笨鐘；巴黎奧運的時候，我們看到開幕式就在塞納河上舉辦，各國的代表團，包括臺灣的代表團，也都搭著船進場。所以我想河岸不只是城市景觀的一部分，也貫穿了一個城市的歷史。","接下來要跟院長討論的就是，淡水河流域跟我們臺北城的建城是息息相關的，以我的選區萬華來說，過去就是因為淡水河的貿易讓艋舺成為臺北市最早發展的區域，事實上，艋舺這個詞過去就是平埔族跟泰雅族語中「船」所翻譯過來的，所以大家也都熟知「一府二鹿三艋舺」這個說法。但是我讓院長看一下，我不知道院長有沒有來過我們萬華的河岸，左邊的照片就是我們萬華的河岸，右邊就是大稻埕的河岸，你可以看到兩者截然不同，當然除了市政府的水岸規劃以外，也在於水域水流的特性。","事實上，我看到經濟部水利署其實有做過相關的研究報告，在水利署的淡水河流域整體改善與調適規劃報告當中也提到了，對萬華來說，萬華很多耆老的生命記憶跟淡水河密不可分，因為我們最早的水憩生活就是從河岸開始；在報告當中也提到了，建議淡水河的主軸定位應該是魅力水都、大河新象，要配合沿岸的臺北市、新北市政府一起來做改造的意象。","在同樣的報告當中我們也看到，我們現在新的流域治理、治水概念應該不能像過往一樣，以前是遇到淹水才來治水，現在我們應該要從流域有一個整體規劃的思維，所以我非常肯定院長上任之後大力推動的行政院水及流域永續推動小組推動系統性的治理規劃，能不能跟我們說明一下什麼叫做系統性的水域治理規劃？"],["卓院長榮泰：一個城市如果有一條河流，會讓這個城市更美麗。我經常到大稻埕的河岸邊，也經常到基隆河的大佳公園去打球等等。我有一個形容，河岸會讓城市的倒影呈現出來，看得到城市的倒影，才能讓我們看到城市的歷史跟未來的發展。所以在系統性治水當中，我們今年編了550億的預算，比過去都還多，我們希望達到的是一個有水但是沒有災害，且用水是有節度的，另外就是要讓水清、讓生物能夠進來，也讓人能夠親近，這就是我們水及流域永續推動小組在辦理的系統性治水，我們希望在今年預算的執行底下，我們能夠補過去8年800億或是前瞻基礎建設當中所遺留下來的後面這一哩路，能夠把整個防災防洪的治水工程在最後補足，讓水跟人民是可以親近的，而且是可以利用的，我們可以用它發展更多的觀光產業，甚至發展更多的水資源。"],["吳委員沛憶：是，事實上我們也非常地期待，過去我在臺北市議會的時候也看到地方政府的努力，我們整個沿岸的休閒運動規劃設施是不斷在持續進步的，但是河岸的休憩跟水域的治水，我想這兩者是相輔相成而且必須要並進的，所以臺北市淡水河流域的進步還有很大的空間。我在水利署的報告裡面有看到，光是淡水河流域的整治，就涉及了超過21個政府單位，包括中央跟地方，像中央有內政部、經濟部，交通部氣象署是有納入，但事實上我認為觀光署也應該要納入，因為誠如剛剛前面所提到的，水域其實是一個城市觀光很重要的一部分。所以今天我想要特別邀請院長，關於淡水河流域的治理，我們可不可以由行政院出面召集與雙北市政府各個行政單位的一個討論平臺？我看到我們其實已經有相關的研究報告，現在就缺少了規劃，我們需要踏出執行行動的第一步，是不是可以先開啟、搭建這個討論協調的平臺，我們先開始來討論要怎麼樣把淡水河流域打造得更適合民眾、更親水、更友善？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的建議，我們可以這麼做，但是它一定需要臺北市、新北市雙方政府一起加入這個平臺，這個平臺才能發揮它的作用。"],["吳委員沛憶：是，我們也非常樂意協助邀集地方政府一起討論。同時，在你們的報告當中也提到，治水公私協力很重要，過去萬華社區大學已經長年在進行清水相關的工作坊、導覽活動，都有在進行當中，水利署跟我們在地的民間團體也有過多次的會議討論，所以我想民間的意見也非常重要，希望可以由行政院出面邀集地方政府跟民間團體，一起討論我們如何把淡水河流域打造成一條臺北市的觀光勝地景點。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我們一起請水利、交通、甚至觀光的部會機關都一起加入，我們弄一個專案來讓淡水河比現在更美麗。"],["吳委員沛憶：好，謝謝。接下來要跟院長討論的是，我想院長一定也很熟悉的一個地點，就是臺北車站。國外旅客來臺北，搭機捷第一站就是臺北車站，臺北車站是我們臺灣的國門，所以事實上我進立法院之後，第一場總質詢就跟行政院討論到臺北車站在國際旅客以及國人當中，它有一個外號，叫做「北車迷宮」，不知道院長有沒有聽過？"],["卓院長榮泰：以我早年的經驗，我要去搭高鐵的時候，我一定要走到臺北車站固定的東三門，我才能夠進去高鐵，我不敢從別的地方開始走，現在慢慢走、慢慢熟悉了。"],["吳委員沛憶：所以院長也知道北車真的是一座迷宮。部長有沒有聽過「北車迷宮」這個稱號？"],["陳部長世凱：有，我自己的感受也是跟院長類似。"],["吳委員沛憶：我們臺灣的主持人胡瓜（瓜哥）有做過一集節目，就是測試能不能在臺北車站裡面順利通過這個迷宮，結果當然不是很順利。過去其實跟行政院已經有討論了，臺鐵也已經動起來，我們在進行的是臺鐵的指標系統手冊更新案，113年9月啟動，我目前看到要直到115年6月才會完成，部長能不能跟我們說明一下，這是因為什麼樣的原因，我們需要這麼長期的時間？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，這是委外做的一個研究案子，他們當時設定的時間，這樣看其實也是有點長，這個部分我再跟臺鐵公司一起研究看有沒有辦法再縮短，因為這個是台灣設計研究院辦理的，它可能比較細緻做研究，但是我覺得這個時間一拖長，這一、兩年裡面沒有辦法快速解決問題也不是個好事，我們會來研商，看怎麼樣讓時程可以再縮短一些，等它研究做完之後，臺北車站跟板橋車站會優先來做示範區域，先來試行看看，如果可以的話，其他車站也一起納入。"],["吳委員沛憶：它之所以會是一個迷宮，就是因為它其實是四鐵共構，有臺鐵、高鐵、北捷、機捷，所以我們看到在很多節點的指標系統是不同套的，沒有把它統一，因此我可以了解，這次你們的更新是針對全國，不是只有這一座車站，所以我的具體建議是，我們的指標系統更新的工作，跟臺北車站及剛剛部長提到的板橋車站，因為我也邀請你們到現場會勘過，跟這兩座車站的改造其實可以同步來並行。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["吳委員沛憶：你要先開始盤點，因為我相信光是臺北車站哪一些地方未來必須要被更新、改造，光是盤點恐怕就需要時間，指標系統是全國性的系統，等到指標系統盤點完，再來進行現場的會勘，再去了解有哪些是需要改造的，所以我很擔心可能又過半年、又過一年了。我的具體建議是，這兩者我們同步來並行，一旦指標系統更新完成，馬上開始施作，我認為這是最快可以改善臺北車站，這是臺灣的國門，所以真的要拜託院長跟部長幫我們想一想，未來不只是國際旅客，連臺灣自己的國人，連臺北人在北車都會迷路，這一座迷宮什麼時候才可以關掉？什麼時候可以打開一個友善行人的車站？我們希望這一日早日到來。剛剛有具體建議的部分，指標系統改善的期間就先進行臺北車站跟板橋車站的改造、盤點，可不可以做到？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，已經是再一次提出北車指標系統的更新，在上次您建議之後，交通部、臺鐵已經在著手進行了，現在這個更新案已經在進行，到現在必須要有個場域讓它能夠實踐，所以用臺北車站、萬華車站來做實踐的場域，我想交通部要馬上著手，我希望我過去生活經驗的笑話不要再流傳下去了。"],["吳委員沛憶：也希望未來院長從西三門進場的時候也不會迷路。"],["卓院長榮泰：也可以找得到路。"],["吳委員沛憶：接下來，一樣是要感謝中央對於北市交通的軌道建設，因為這個我非常關注，從我當市議員的時候，當時就跟林昶佐委員一起到捷運萬大線的工程地，跟臺北市長蔣萬安一起進行會勘。現在中央其實挹注臺北市相當多的經費，尤其以軌道建設為例，目前捷運萬大線、南北環、東環、信義東延，中央核定補助的總共是1,000億，光是這條線總共1,000億，所以真的是要感謝，因為這幾年的原物料、工程都上漲，院長、部長都非常了解，所以它的工程經費都持續在變動當中。雖然財劃法每一年從中央要拿走3,700億，對中央財政是有非常大的壓力跟衝擊，但是軌道建設真的是一個城市的命脈，也與民眾每一日的生活日常非常相關，所以我今天還是要特別來請命、拜託，希望中央對北市軌道建設的挹注可以持續地進行，因為就我們所知，臺北市在去年有提出萬大線一期第三次的修正計畫，就是希望中央在原先挹注的203億之外，要再去增加54億的補助。這個部分就我的了解也是，確實因為原物料上漲的關係，真的有這個壓力所在，我知道中央去年11月的時候請臺北市政府要去修正，就是9月提案的時候，第一次原則性是審查通過了，是不是，部長？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，是的。"],["吳委員沛憶：第一次提案我們是……"],["陳部長世凱：當時我們原則是同意的。"],["吳委員沛憶：對，我們是同意的，但是請臺北市政府要去修正，再來送件，請問送進來了沒有？"],["陳部長世凱：應該已經送進來，我們現在正在審查當中。"],["吳委員沛憶：好，所以送進來的這一次，原則上我們審查通過，如果修正的都是有符合，我們就會來同意補助。"],["陳部長世凱：對，我們就看它修正的方向有沒有符合我們要的方向，如果有符合的話，我們原則上是同意的。"],["吳委員沛憶：好，這個真的是要拜託院長，因為捷運萬大線在地人已經等了二十年了，很多人是從小的時候就在等這一條捷運。"],["卓院長榮泰：臺北市是我們未來首都圈黃金廊帶核心中的核心，現在有多元的建設，在現有的綿密交通路網之上，我們要讓它更完整、更精緻，所以我們跟地方、跟臺北市政府的合作是勢必會進行下去的，只是未來如果財政收支劃分法真的做這樣的變革的話，我們必須跟地方政府再商談，過去核定由地方負擔的金額要適度調整，才有辦法在原來預定的年限當中完成，所以我也很希望財政收支劃分法我們有機會再做合理的討論。"],["吳委員沛憶：是。接下來要跟院長討論的是萬華火車站的部分，這也是要感謝。我不知道院長有沒有來萬華搭過火車？對在地很多耆老來講，早期這裡都是「鐵枝路」，所以火車站對他們來說其實是一個很重要的回憶，但是以現在來講，火車站必須要有當代的功能，所以去年我們跟交通部還有臺鐵進行過多次的討論，也謝謝部長一直非常的支持，選定了萬華火車站作為臺鐵年度美學改造車站之一。也特別謝謝臺鐵在去年5月的時候到萬華來，召開了在地居民的意見蒐集座談會，我們地方非常踴躍地參與，包括對面的服飾商圈、在地的文史團體，還有很多的店家，大家都是第一次可以切身地來討論我們身邊的火車站，它應該要有哪些功能，它可以再呈現哪些在地的特色。我想要請教一下部長，目前萬華火車站的美學改造案，進度是如何呢？"],["陳部長世凱：我們目前正在設計規劃當中，預計今年年底會完成設計規劃，明年6月會完成整體的發包。"],["吳委員沛憶：明年6月之前就會進行發包？"],["陳部長世凱：對。"],["吳委員沛憶：好，非常感謝！我也希望在設計的過程當中，要再次來到在地，跟我們居民一起來討論，我非常地期待新的萬華火車站新的改造樣貌。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝，關於城市美學跟文化的底蘊，再請委員多多指教。"],["吳委員沛憶：好，感謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝吳沛憶委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、交通部長備詢。","接下來，登記第14位陳素月委員、第15位楊曜委員之質詢均以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。"],["委員陳素月書面質詢：","案由：本院陳素月委員，針對「藥駕未獲相對重視致使交通事故頻傳」之民眾陳情案，特向交通部提出質詢。","說明：","刑法、道路交通安全規則（下稱道安規則）及處罰條例，現已規範處罰，汽機車、慢車駕駛人吸食毒品、迷幻藥、麻醉藥品或相類似管制藥品，以降低道路交通安全風險。","惟近年國人因不諳藥物效果與副作用，導致藥駕交通事故頻傳。","-2025/04/20彰化員林駕駛吃安眠藥，開車擦撞騎腳踏車母子並肇逃。","-2025/03/25南投名間駕駛疑似吃感冒藥，自撞電線杆傷重不治。","-2025/03/07高雄輕軌司機員吃感冒藥後睡著，於原地近9分鐘未行駛。","-2024/06/26高雄婦人因感冒藥，頭昏恍神導致開車闖進輕軌。","臺北市藥師公會2023年就300名計程車、遊覽車、大貨車之職業駕駛進行問卷調查結果，曾於駕駛前服用降血糖藥、安眠藥、肌肉鬆弛劑之駕駛占比達19.5%；臺北市立聯合醫院就駕駛人用藥行為進行問卷調查結果，受訪者有三分之一曾於駕駛前服用各種藥物，最多服用藥物依序為降血糖藥、安眠藥、肌肉鬆弛劑，該等藥物通常伴隨嗜睡、頭暈、注意力不集中、協調性下降，顯示國人對於藥駕之嚴重性普遍缺乏警覺，並對藥物副作用未具一定瞭解。目前民眾至醫療院所就醫後領取的藥袋上，雖有相關提醒，但若購買一般成藥，相關警語多半只寫在藥盒內的仿單（使用說明書）內，多數藥盒外觀並沒有明顯的警示圖文，而究竟多少民眾會在用藥前認真閱讀仿單，實在未定之天。","他山之石可以攻錯，法國自1999年實施影響安全駕駛藥物分級，稱為「醫藥駕駛風險標示制度（systeme de pictogrammes de conduite）」，三角形圖示分為3級（如圖示），就算是一般成藥，外盒上均有明確標示，若民眾買的藥屬於3級藥品，外包裝便有紅色三角形警示標誌，提醒民眾，用藥後千萬不要開車。","經查，臺北市藥師公會及臺北市立聯合醫院，2023年參考法國藥物分級作法，建立交通安全藥物分級制度（見圖示），並進行交通安全藥物分級宣導，以提高民眾對於藥駕行為之安全意識。","爰此，本席建請交通部協同衛生福利部研議參考國際交通安全藥物分級制度，完善藥駕管理機制暨防制作為，並透過醫療院所及藥局等管道，強化藥品安全宣導，以利國人對藥駕有更多認知與預防。"],["委員楊曜書面質詢：","一、請交通部積極投入資源，振興澎湖縣國內旅遊。","問題：今（114）年三月初，交通部觀光署表示，為振興國旅將朝四大方向推動，包含分眾活動要有亮點、交通優惠、善用AI以及推動區域旅遊，並希望提高2天1夜的國旅比例；澎湖縣同樣也面臨國旅困境，澎湖國旅相較於在臺灣本島旅遊，國旅必須負擔更高的交通成本，此外，澎湖縣在去年澎湖國際海上花火節結束後，入境澎湖旅遊人數銳減，且根據觀光署資料顯示，雖然進行國旅人數並無減少，但一日遊比例太高，恰好應對澎湖國旅所面臨的困境，為此，交通部應統整所屬機關之業務，針對如何振興澎湖縣國內旅遊提出澎湖觀光產業中長程升級計畫，如加強澎湖秋冬旅遊行銷、改善交通基礎建設，提升可及性、發展多元旅遊景點，提升澎湖旅遊深度等具體措施，來厚植澎湖國旅的廣度與深度，促進澎湖在地經濟發展。","二、請交通部研議如何提升國內航空之運輸量能及準點率","問題：民航局資料顯示，至112年底，國籍航空數為16家，但負責澎湖縣航空運輸業者僅華信與立榮二家業者，而這二家業者需同時擔負運輸馬祖、金門等離島偏鄉民眾之責任，又據民航局國籍航空器登記架數及機型的資料，立榮航空登記14架ATR72機型、華信航空登記12架ATR72機型共計26架可投入運輸行列，但因例行性維修或不可預期機械故障等因素，大幅降低運能，曾有民眾陳情，因某國籍航空班機故障，調度不及，在機場苦等一天之情事發生，為此，為維護澎湖民眾交通權益，請民航局於一個月內，提出如何提升國內航空運輸量能報告。","又民航局114年1月份國籍航空公司班機準點率及不正常取消統計表顯示，華信航空延誤40個班次，立榮航空延誤僅3個班次，二家業者出現明顯落差，也請民航局持續督促國籍航空提升準點率。","三、請交通部積極協助澎湖縣政府提升行人安全並改善道路基礎建設。","問題：日前，交通部部長接受媒體專訪曾表示，行人在斑馬線被撞傷或撞死是「國恥」，將啟動修法加嚴車輛不停讓行人的處罰，並提出道安3箭，包括評估車輛在路口的停止線與行人穿越線的距離加大為2到3公尺、提升路口照明、啟動汽車車窗及擋風玻璃隔熱紙可見光透過率檢測議題，制定安全指引，我認為除了修法重罰不遵守法規的駕駛人外，道路交通基礎建設也需一併改善，從號誌、標線到道路設計需因地制宜重新規劃，且澎湖縣截至113年底止人口數10萬7,901人，其中65歲以上老年人口數為2萬1,475人、占比19.90%，為全國老年人口占比第10名，更需維護長者的行人安全，為此，請交通部積極協助澎湖縣政府提升行人安全並改善道路基礎建設。"],["主席：再接下來請登記第16號羅明才委員質詢，徐巧芯委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":116,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-10","speakers":["韓國瑜","林思銘","蘇巧慧","林俊憲","王義川","蔡易餘","吳秉叡","許智傑","徐富癸","翁曉玲","王定宇","吳琪銘","黃秀芳","吳沛憶","陳素月","楊曜","羅明才","徐巧芯","吳宗憲","陳瑩","邱若華"],"page_start":47,"meetingDate":["2025-05-02"],"gazette_id":"1144201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144201_00002","1144201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第10次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1144201_00003"}}}