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00:01:22,010\n第一,美國對中共的嚇阻力下降,中共認為關稅戰,自己可以承受更大的痛苦。第二,中共的灰色地帶戰術配合外交攻勢,提供中共封鎖台灣的國際掩護。\n\n5\n00:01:24,131 --> 00:01:46,909\n第三台灣政界長期以來的功能失調陷入極化及自滿的惡性循環我特別要提一下這個剛才的第三點因為第一點跟第二點屬於國際趨勢那我們即使是非常的努力那也難以自外於國際社會可是第三點呢是跟我們台灣自己有關係的\n\n6\n00:01:47,890 --> 00:02:10,580\n也就是呢所謂台灣政界的長期功能失調陷入了這個極化跟惡性的循環裡面非常清楚的提到了賴清德賴總統那他怎麼講的呢他說總統賴清德必須跟國民黨以及新興的第三勢力共同運作導致這個政治的僵局\n\n7\n00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:33,886\n那他談到的是說賴清德對於中國大陸滲透的強硬反制也進一步加深了社會的對立以及政治的分裂也就是說我們要談討的是賴清德總統還有或者是我們行政院我們在講團結的時候但卻造成了社會的更加的分裂卓院長你怎麼看這件事\n\n8\n00:02:34,537 --> 00:02:47,970\n一個專業的經濟性的雜誌所引用的資訊我們當然應該要重視啦但是裡面所提到的說政府的功能失能我覺得我們彼此都有責任我們彼此都有責任那你認為應該要怎麼樣去改善呢\n\n9\n00:02:53,390 --> 00:03:14,241\n我們現在就是希望能夠在面對國際貿易秩序重整當中如果我們展現出讓國際看到台灣的朝野一致朝野一致有包括現在包含你們自己卓榮泰院長你也在什麼人民是頭家上面去宣講去宣講的時候在強調這個大罷免\n\n10\n00:03:16,042 --> 00:03:43,022\n所以我想要問你整場裡面包含是其他的人這就是一個大罷免的活動你們只是從預算的角度從你自己的角度去講但從人民的角度看來這就是在分裂台灣製造更多的對立而且我們也感受到最近有更多越來越多的這個對立在台灣發生跟您剛剛所講的團結有很大的差異上一次呢我跟您在質詢的過程當中我就講過了\n\n11\n00:03:45,643 --> 00:04:12,537\n對於產業的支持我們是完全認同的而且呢880億我們也說了希望能夠對產業的扶持提高更多能夠幫助我們的這些中小企業那您也給我一個正面的回覆這個叫做團結可是問題是在我們立法院這個殿堂之外的這些大罷免他就是在製造更多的對立那剛才呢羅明財委員也講到了有關匯率的這個問題喔\n\n12\n00:04:14,238 --> 00:04:34,008\n央行總裁楊金龍他有說呢台幣沒有受到美國的壓力可是台幣今天一天升九角如果每天這樣子升的話呢那請問我們的底線在哪裡什麼時候央行才會出手那讓今天的低點30.93不要再繼續滑落下去\n\n13\n00:04:34,994 --> 00:04:47,787\n我們還是要持續的觀察國際間的貨幣市場的這個國際的情勢那台灣長期以來我們是屬於比較穩定的貨幣我問一下我們上一次跌到30.93是什麼時候\n\n14\n00:04:51,962 --> 00:05:19,428\n時間請委員來做我也不知道啊你要回答我啊上一次30.93是什麼時候啊回去查一下正確的資料因為我的意思是說你們作為你剛剛講的我們對於關稅我們對於匯率還有羅明才剛剛委員問了這麼多的問題你們都說你們有做評估你們都說你們有準備你們都說呢關於匯率我們是一個出口七成的貿易的國家你們都這麼告訴我們的時候我問你\n\n15\n00:05:20,248 --> 00:05:36,790\n上一次跌到今天的低點30.93是什麼時候上一次發生這樣的狀況是什麼時候的時候你竟然質問我你自己不知道我不是質問你我說請委員質問我啦不是質問我不好意思質問我那你自己不知道\n\n16\n00:05:37,570 --> 00:05:56,814\n我們可以去查正確的資料告訴委員只是我跟委員報告一件事情央行總裁是定時都會向行政院也會向總統報告我國的整體經濟的行情我知道啊你剛剛已經回答過羅明財委員的你就不用再重複回覆了因為我們現在都有網路的直播我想要問這兩天的變化跌到30.93會不會繼續下跌\n\n17\n00:06:03,295 --> 00:06:17,598\n這兩天的變化或許下週央行總裁就會有一份報告過來給我們看我們會再跟央行總裁有報告之後所以要等到下一個禮拜或許因為明天我們就會休兩天下禮拜應該會央行總裁會來報告所以我想要請問一下我們現在的規劃如果跌到27塊的話是我們現在政府能夠接受的嗎\n\n18\n00:06:29,701 --> 00:06:33,383\n27比1我們能夠接受嗎這個對產業的調適能力應該是很大的衝擊但是我們認為現在我們沒有做這樣的一個評估啦所以請問您能夠保證30.93已經是稅低點了嗎不會再往下了嗎\n\n19\n00:06:50,066 --> 00:07:18,328\n我再重複我國並不是一個這個政治去操控匯率的國家所以所以跌到27是有可能發生的事情嗎我現在是說有或是沒有對這個大家的心理狀況會產生很大的變化因為大家都在擔心所以我必須要問你啊我只能說這兩天的半天如果今天跌到了27塊錢的話你也知道對產業的影響是有多麼的大嘛所以我們既然要救這個國家也要先救市啊\n\n20\n00:07:19,068 --> 00:07:44,459\n否則的話我們出口我們對股市股市我們有幾套的做三套的措施穩定股市那如果這兩天的變化央行會認為我們應該做投資一些什麼樣的因應措施的話那麼這一點一定現在就要去做了因為我們過去是到33甚至有到34現在呢31.1然後最低還跌到30.93這是很久沒有出現的這個情況\n\n21\n00:07:45,720 --> 00:08:02,405\n非常非常的重要你們一定要注意不然我們的出口產業我們出口產業倒了我們進口產業沒降價這個時候對所有台灣人民造成的影響那是不可逆的好我要問的是有關於郭志輝的這個部長經濟部長\n\n22\n00:08:07,433 --> 00:08:35,926\n經濟部長他已經有非常多次的發言爭議我不一一的說因為太多了最近的是台電如果員工看不下去可以離開那您也說了你會找他談談再來以蒙古鎮比喻台積電跟英特爾的合資案再來他說電價不是越便宜越好而且還說不必每一個房間都裝冷氣我想要請問一下院長你們家每一個房間都有裝冷氣嗎\n\n23\n00:08:37,616 --> 00:09:02,864\n也沒有你就是裝這個客廳啊臥室等等的好我今天因為那個經理部長不在不然我也想問他不必每房都裝冷氣然後呢也被批評說你沒有同理心那如果有人家裡想要裝冷氣的話你管他這麼多要做什麼呢還有我們在台灣晶片被課稅百分之百的時候郭志輝院長表示不一定不合理啊\n\n24\n00:09:03,624 --> 00:09:18,141\n被柯真晶片百分之百關稅要講說不一定不合理被問到這個問題的時候那呢被認為他沒有去捍衛台灣的產業利益可能會對談判造成不好的影響甚至\n\n25\n00:09:18,541 --> 00:09:34,594\n排骨暴跌的時候他說這是景氣循環的一部分我們都知道當時的這個暴跌是因為川普的政策而不是說這是景氣的一部分喔所以大家覺得你沒有提出解決的方案這裡我就想講囉\n\n26\n00:09:35,675 --> 00:09:56,785\n郭志輝部長從他上任以來我還不談他菲律賓綠電沒有經過你們的了解就已經公然宣布這樣子的一個事情引發外界嘩然我想要問的是他如果說看不下去可以離開那請問我們人民看不下去郭志輝部長的時候他是不是應該要離開經濟部長的位置了\n\n27\n00:09:59,188 --> 00:10:13,648\n跟委員說明我會邀郭部長一起用具體的行動去關懷我們包括國營世界戰略的所有勞工夥伴表達政府把勞工當作政府重要資源也珍惜他們為國家的奉獻\n\n28\n00:10:14,229 --> 00:10:35,914\n他的話已經說出口傷害到很多人了而且我剛剛我們再看一下這上面每一個每一個都是他的相關的爭議那所以我們很多人都已經認為郭志輝是一個不合格的經濟部的部長所以卓榮泰院長你身為院長底下的部長做得好做得不好\n\n29\n00:10:36,334 --> 00:10:59,703\n你也應該要負起責任如果像郭志輝這樣子他說做不好那就不想做可以離開那人民看不下去認為他做不好的時候是不是經濟部長也應該要準備下台了院長您的意思呢是郭部長是來自民間企業的主持人他把民間企業的效率帶進政府這一點我是值得肯定的\n\n30\n00:11:00,083 --> 00:11:17,979\n所以你覺得現在的經濟部非常有效率嗎大的企業他有自己調適的能力身為一個部長更應該廣泛照顧到所有的企業在政府的部會所長的情況底下應該更廣泛去提出整體面的政策不是啊這不是提出整體面啦\n\n31\n00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:39,500\n經濟我們的關稅如果被課百分之百的話晶片不一定不合理大家問你是哪一國人啊怎麼站在美國的立場講話沒有幫台灣人講話台電的勞工站出來反抗的時候你說不想做不要做也不是代表大家的聲音再來有非常多電價不是越便宜越好\n\n32\n00:11:40,260 --> 00:12:01,204\n對我們的人民來說電價當然是越便宜越好啊當我們的這個經濟部長已經失能的時候你還在為他講話為他開脫難道他不應該下台嗎他就是在我的眼裡或許部長你院長你不這麼想但在我的眼裡郭志輝部長就是應該要下台了我們繼續下一個討論有關於監理站的這個遷移問題\n\n33\n00:12:06,109 --> 00:12:31,590\n我們也請交通部長我們在台北市的監理所也就是八德路的監理所院長你也坐過我們松山的市議員那大概知道監理站的位置我也曾經坐過光復北路11線所以你應該知道現在這個八德監理所它在整個市中心裡面對於我們整個南松山的發展的前景造成了一些困擾\n\n34\n00:12:32,290 --> 00:13:00,823\n那尤其是呢市議會已經多次的決議希望這個監理站可以搬遷可是每年一年一遷到現在都沒有搬走這個是市議會做出的決議所以我們看到監理站的現況問題包含了交通擁捨周邊發展受限以及停車困難跟多處市府公設老舊海沙屋的問題所以我們很希望就是說能夠將監理站你看喔\n\n35\n00:13:01,563 --> 00:13:20,576\n這麼大的一塊土地裡面它只有四層樓後面全部都是空地其實這是浪費了很多台北市精華地段的空間所以我想要請問一下我想要請問一下什麼時候我們的監理站才會正式的搬遷讓這個地方其實台北市政府都已經規劃好了\n\n36\n00:13:20,916 --> 00:13:49,718\n要做一個13層樓的大樓包含是可能我們的相關的市政機關的遷入還有包含民眾的休憩空間但現在就在於說千里站一直卡在這個地方沒有按照原本的期程去搬遷所以我想要請問一下千里站什麼時候我們才會按照預定的計畫搬遷完畢30年前我住光復北路11巷的時候那時候有一個瓦斯球我們希望他搬走他已經搬走了\n\n37\n00:13:50,779 --> 00:14:10,279\n那個時候我就認為監理站這個地方如果能夠大街過的都市的更新開發對當地地區的發展是有效的我們看一下下一張團片交通部現在有沒有進一步的計畫包委員這個計畫已經有在景美有做一個規劃希望搬遷的地方那現在在做變更的設計當中\n\n38\n00:14:12,481 --> 00:14:38,317\n那再跟地方溝通我們會盡速啦盡速可以可以多快因為我之前一直問的時候就是不斷的拖延不是你們拖延我在台北市政府市議會的時候我問然後他們來問中央都拖了一年又一年又一年所以請問可不可以給我們一個答覆到底在什麼時候呢現在至少已經有一個計畫要搬遷到景美啦那這個部分如果我們可以加速的話我們會趕快加速趕快搬過去\n\n39\n00:14:38,877 --> 00:15:00,425\n那最後因為時間不太夠我要問一下淨零承諾的問題那賴清澤總統他有說過要有這個淨零的承諾那我想要請問一下我們在這個關於電動機車跟電動汽車的部分電動機車按照我們先前的這個評估跟規劃那我們有達到我們的目標嗎\n\n40\n00:15:03,797 --> 00:15:23,509\n電動機車的目標確實是我們今年蠻擔心的因為只有10.5%差了一倍左右因為時間不夠我就直接講所以希望我們能夠針對油電銷售比的制度讓車商逐年販售的電動車跟混合比汽機車都一樣有明確的獎勵\n\n41\n00:15:43,207 --> 00:15:44,348\n好謝謝徐小溪\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6308\t10418\t謝謝韓院長 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台灣政界長期以來的功能失調陷入極化及自滿的惡性循環我特別要提一下這個剛才的第三點因為第一點跟第二點屬於國際趨勢那我們即使是非常的努力那也難以自外於國際社會可是第三點呢是跟我們台灣自己有關係的\n107890\t130580\t也就是呢所謂台灣政界的長期功能失調陷入了這個極化跟惡性的循環裡面非常清楚的提到了賴清德賴總統那他怎麼講的呢他說總統賴清德必須跟國民黨以及新興的第三勢力共同運作導致這個政治的僵局\n131320\t153886\t那他談到的是說賴清德對於中國大陸滲透的強硬反制也進一步加深了社會的對立以及政治的分裂也就是說我們要談討的是賴清德總統還有或者是我們行政院我們在講團結的時候但卻造成了社會的更加的分裂卓院長你怎麼看這件事\n154537\t167970\t一個專業的經濟性的雜誌所引用的資訊我們當然應該要重視啦但是裡面所提到的說政府的功能失能我覺得我們彼此都有責任我們彼此都有責任那你認為應該要怎麼樣去改善呢\n173390\t194241\t我們現在就是希望能夠在面對國際貿易秩序重整當中如果我們展現出讓國際看到台灣的朝野一致朝野一致有包括現在包含你們自己卓榮泰院長你也在什麼人民是頭家上面去宣講去宣講的時候在強調這個大罷免\n196042\t223022\t所以我想要問你整場裡面包含是其他的人這就是一個大罷免的活動你們只是從預算的角度從你自己的角度去講但從人民的角度看來這就是在分裂台灣製造更多的對立而且我們也感受到最近有更多越來越多的這個對立在台灣發生跟您剛剛所講的團結有很大的差異上一次呢我跟您在質詢的過程當中我就講過了\n225643\t252537\t對於產業的支持我們是完全認同的而且呢880億我們也說了希望能夠對產業的扶持提高更多能夠幫助我們的這些中小企業那您也給我一個正面的回覆這個叫做團結可是問題是在我們立法院這個殿堂之外的這些大罷免他就是在製造更多的對立那剛才呢羅明財委員也講到了有關匯率的這個問題喔\n254238\t274008\t央行總裁楊金龍他有說呢台幣沒有受到美國的壓力可是台幣今天一天升九角如果每天這樣子升的話呢那請問我們的底線在哪裡什麼時候央行才會出手那讓今天的低點30.93不要再繼續滑落下去\n274994\t287787\t我們還是要持續的觀察國際間的貨幣市場的這個國際的情勢那台灣長期以來我們是屬於比較穩定的貨幣我問一下我們上一次跌到30.93是什麼時候\n291962\t319428\t時間請委員來做我也不知道啊你要回答我啊上一次30.93是什麼時候啊回去查一下正確的資料因為我的意思是說你們作為你剛剛講的我們對於關稅我們對於匯率還有羅明才剛剛委員問了這麼多的問題你們都說你們有做評估你們都說你們有準備你們都說呢關於匯率我們是一個出口七成的貿易的國家你們都這麼告訴我們的時候我問你\n320248\t336790\t上一次跌到今天的低點30.93是什麼時候上一次發生這樣的狀況是什麼時候的時候你竟然質問我你自己不知道我不是質問你我說請委員質問我啦不是質問我不好意思質問我那你自己不知道\n337570\t356814\t我們可以去查正確的資料告訴委員只是我跟委員報告一件事情央行總裁是定時都會向行政院也會向總統報告我國的整體經濟的行情我知道啊 你剛剛已經回答過羅明財委員的你就不用再重複回覆了因為我們現在都有網路的直播我想要問這兩天的變化跌到30.93會不會繼續下跌\n363295\t377598\t這兩天的變化或許下週央行總裁就會有一份報告過來給我們看我們會再跟央行總裁有報告之後所以要等到下一個禮拜或許因為明天我們就會休兩天下禮拜應該會央行總裁會來報告所以我想要請問一下我們現在的規劃如果跌到27塊的話是我們現在政府能夠接受的嗎\n389701\t393383\t27比1我們能夠接受嗎這個對產業的調適能力應該是很大的衝擊但是我們認為現在我們沒有做這樣的一個評估啦所以請問您能夠保證30.93已經是稅低點了嗎不會再往下了嗎\n410066\t438328\t我再重複我國並不是一個這個政治去操控匯率的國家所以所以跌到27是有可能發生的事情嗎我現在是說有或是沒有對這個大家的心理狀況會產生很大的變化因為大家都在擔心所以我必須要問你啊我只能說這兩天的半天如果今天跌到了27塊錢的話你也知道對產業的影響是有多麼的大嘛所以我們既然要救這個國家也要先救市啊\n439068\t464459\t否則的話我們出口我們對股市股市我們有幾套的做三套的措施穩定股市那如果這兩天的變化央行會認為我們應該做投資一些什麼樣的因應措施的話那麼這一點一定現在就要去做了因為我們過去是到33甚至有到34現在呢31.1然後最低還跌到30.93這是很久沒有出現的這個情況\n465720\t482405\t非常非常的重要你們一定要注意不然我們的出口產業我們出口產業倒了我們進口產業沒降價這個時候對所有台灣人民造成的影響那是不可逆的好我要問的是有關於郭志輝的這個部長經濟部長\n487433\t515926\t經濟部長他已經有非常多次的發言爭議我不一一的說因為太多了最近的是台電如果員工看不下去可以離開那您也說了你會找他談談再來以蒙古鎮比喻台積電跟英特爾的合資案再來他說電價不是越便宜越好而且還說不必每一個房間都裝冷氣我想要請問一下院長你們家每一個房間都有裝冷氣嗎\n517616\t542864\t也沒有 你就是裝這個客廳啊 臥室等等的好 我今天因為那個經理部長不在不然我也想問他不必每房都裝冷氣然後呢 也被批評說你沒有同理心那如果有人家裡想要裝冷氣的話你管他這麼多要做什麼呢還有 我們在台灣晶片被課稅百分之百的時候郭志輝院長表示不一定不合理啊\n543624\t558141\t被柯真晶片百分之百關稅要講說不一定不合理被問到這個問題的時候那呢被認為他沒有去捍衛台灣的產業利益可能會對談判造成不好的影響甚至\n558541\t574594\t排骨暴跌的時候他說這是景氣循環的一部分我們都知道當時的這個暴跌是因為川普的政策而不是說這是景氣的一部分喔所以大家覺得你沒有提出解決的方案這裡我就想講囉\n575675\t596785\t郭志輝部長從他上任以來我還不談他菲律賓綠電沒有經過你們的了解就已經公然宣布這樣子的一個事情引發外界嘩然我想要問的是他如果說看不下去可以離開那請問我們人民看不下去郭志輝部長的時候他是不是應該要離開經濟部長的位置了\n599188\t613648\t跟委員說明我會邀郭部長一起用具體的行動去關懷我們包括國營世界戰略的所有勞工夥伴表達政府把勞工當作政府重要資源也珍惜他們為國家的奉獻\n614229\t635914\t他的話已經說出口傷害到很多人了而且我剛剛我們再看一下這上面每一個每一個都是他的相關的爭議那所以我們很多人都已經認為郭志輝是一個不合格的經濟部的部長所以卓榮泰院長你身為院長底下的部長做得好做得不好\n636334\t659703\t你也應該要負起責任如果像郭志輝這樣子他說做不好那就不想做可以離開那人民看不下去認為他做不好的時候是不是經濟部長也應該要準備下台了院長您的意思呢是 郭部長是來自民間企業的主持人他把民間企業的效率帶進政府這一點我是值得肯定的\n660083\t677979\t所以你覺得現在的經濟部非常有效率嗎大的企業他有自己調適的能力身為一個部長更應該廣泛照顧到所有的企業在政府的部會所長的情況底下應該更廣泛去提出整體面的政策不是啊 這不是提出整體面啦\n679380\t699500\t經濟我們的關稅如果被課百分之百的話晶片不一定不合理大家問你是哪一國人啊怎麼站在美國的立場講話沒有幫台灣人講話台電的勞工站出來反抗的時候你說不想做不要做也不是代表大家的聲音再來有非常多電價不是越便宜越好\n700260\t721204\t對我們的人民來說電價當然是越便宜越好啊當我們的這個經濟部長已經失能的時候你還在為他講話為他開脫難道他不應該下台嗎他就是在我的眼裡或許部長你院長你不這麼想但在我的眼裡郭志輝部長就是應該要下台了我們繼續下一個討論有關於監理站的這個遷移問題\n726109\t751590\t我們也請交通部長我們在台北市的監理所也就是八德路的監理所院長你也坐過我們松山的市議員那大概知道監理站的位置我也曾經坐過光復北路11線所以你應該知道現在這個八德監理所它在整個市中心裡面對於我們整個南松山的發展的前景造成了一些困擾\n752290\t780823\t那尤其是呢市議會已經多次的決議希望這個監理站可以搬遷可是每年一年一遷到現在都沒有搬走這個是市議會做出的決議所以我們看到監理站的現況問題包含了交通擁捨周邊發展受限以及停車困難跟多處市府公設老舊海沙屋的問題所以我們很希望就是說能夠將監理站你看喔\n781563\t800576\t這麼大的一塊土地裡面它只有四層樓後面全部都是空地其實這是浪費了很多台北市精華地段的空間所以我想要請問一下我想要請問一下什麼時候我們的監理站才會正式的搬遷讓這個地方其實台北市政府都已經規劃好了\n800916\t829718\t要做一個13層樓的大樓包含是可能我們的相關的市政機關的遷入還有包含民眾的休憩空間但現在就在於說千里站一直卡在這個地方沒有按照原本的期程去搬遷所以我想要請問一下千里站什麼時候我們才會按照預定的計畫搬遷完畢30年前我住光復北路11巷的時候那時候有一個瓦斯球我們希望他搬走 他已經搬走了\n830779\t850279\t那個時候我就認為監理站這個地方如果能夠大街過的都市的更新開發對當地地區的發展是有效的我們看一下下一張團片交通部現在有沒有進一步的計畫包委員 這個計畫已經有在景美有做一個規劃希望搬遷的地方那現在在做變更的設計當中\n852481\t878317\t那再跟地方溝通 我們會盡速啦盡速 可以可以多快 因為我之前一直問的時候就是不斷的拖延 不是你們拖延我在台北市政府市議會的時候我問然後他們來問中央都拖了一年又一年又一年所以請問可不可以給我們一個答覆到底在什麼時候呢現在至少已經有一個計畫要搬遷到景美啦那這個部分如果我們可以加速的話我們會趕快加速 趕快搬過去\n878877\t900425\t那最後因為時間不太夠我要問一下淨零承諾的問題那賴清澤總統他有說過要有這個淨零的承諾那我想要請問一下我們在這個關於電動機車跟電動汽車的部分電動機車按照我們先前的這個評估跟規劃那我們有達到我們的目標嗎\n903797\t923509\t電動機車的目標確實是我們今年蠻擔心的因為只有10.5%差了一倍左右因為時間不夠我就直接講所以希望我們能夠針對油電銷售比的制度讓車商逐年販售的電動車跟混合比汽機車都一樣有明確的獎勵\n943207\t944348\t好 謝謝徐小溪\n","txt":"謝謝韓院長 那我們想有請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n學員好抱歉我還沒有看到\n從昨天到今天所有台灣人民很多都在討論的文章你還沒有看到那你是不是覺得你應該作為行政院長要趕緊去看一下經濟學人裡面對川普相關的評估嗎那我本來要問你說呢這個文章裡面有提到台灣面臨的三個新變化但既然你連看都沒有看我只好直接告訴你好的 謝謝\n第一,美國對中共的嚇阻力下降,中共認為關稅戰,自己可以承受更大的痛苦。第二,中共的灰色地帶戰術配合外交攻勢,提供中共封鎖台灣的國際掩護。\n第三 台灣政界長期以來的功能失調陷入極化及自滿的惡性循環我特別要提一下這個剛才的第三點因為第一點跟第二點屬於國際趨勢那我們即使是非常的努力那也難以自外於國際社會可是第三點呢是跟我們台灣自己有關係的\n也就是呢所謂台灣政界的長期功能失調陷入了這個極化跟惡性的循環裡面非常清楚的提到了賴清德賴總統那他怎麼講的呢他說總統賴清德必須跟國民黨以及新興的第三勢力共同運作導致這個政治的僵局\n那他談到的是說賴清德對於中國大陸滲透的強硬反制也進一步加深了社會的對立以及政治的分裂也就是說我們要談討的是賴清德總統還有或者是我們行政院我們在講團結的時候但卻造成了社會的更加的分裂卓院長你怎麼看這件事\n一個專業的經濟性的雜誌所引用的資訊我們當然應該要重視啦但是裡面所提到的說政府的功能失能我覺得我們彼此都有責任我們彼此都有責任那你認為應該要怎麼樣去改善呢\n我們現在就是希望能夠在面對國際貿易秩序重整當中如果我們展現出讓國際看到台灣的朝野一致朝野一致有包括現在包含你們自己卓榮泰院長你也在什麼人民是頭家上面去宣講去宣講的時候在強調這個大罷免\n所以我想要問你整場裡面包含是其他的人這就是一個大罷免的活動你們只是從預算的角度從你自己的角度去講但從人民的角度看來這就是在分裂台灣製造更多的對立而且我們也感受到最近有更多越來越多的這個對立在台灣發生跟您剛剛所講的團結有很大的差異上一次呢我跟您在質詢的過程當中我就講過了\n對於產業的支持我們是完全認同的而且呢880億我們也說了希望能夠對產業的扶持提高更多能夠幫助我們的這些中小企業那您也給我一個正面的回覆這個叫做團結可是問題是在我們立法院這個殿堂之外的這些大罷免他就是在製造更多的對立那剛才呢羅明財委員也講到了有關匯率的這個問題喔\n央行總裁楊金龍他有說呢台幣沒有受到美國的壓力可是台幣今天一天升九角如果每天這樣子升的話呢那請問我們的底線在哪裡什麼時候央行才會出手那讓今天的低點30.93不要再繼續滑落下去\n我們還是要持續的觀察國際間的貨幣市場的這個國際的情勢那台灣長期以來我們是屬於比較穩定的貨幣我問一下我們上一次跌到30.93是什麼時候\n時間請委員來做我也不知道啊你要回答我啊上一次30.93是什麼時候啊回去查一下正確的資料因為我的意思是說你們作為你剛剛講的我們對於關稅我們對於匯率還有羅明才剛剛委員問了這麼多的問題你們都說你們有做評估你們都說你們有準備你們都說呢關於匯率我們是一個出口七成的貿易的國家你們都這麼告訴我們的時候我問你\n上一次跌到今天的低點30.93是什麼時候上一次發生這樣的狀況是什麼時候的時候你竟然質問我你自己不知道我不是質問你我說請委員質問我啦不是質問我不好意思質問我那你自己不知道\n我們可以去查正確的資料告訴委員只是我跟委員報告一件事情央行總裁是定時都會向行政院也會向總統報告我國的整體經濟的行情我知道啊 你剛剛已經回答過羅明財委員的你就不用再重複回覆了因為我們現在都有網路的直播我想要問這兩天的變化跌到30.93會不會繼續下跌\n這兩天的變化或許下週央行總裁就會有一份報告過來給我們看我們會再跟央行總裁有報告之後所以要等到下一個禮拜或許因為明天我們就會休兩天下禮拜應該會央行總裁會來報告所以我想要請問一下我們現在的規劃如果跌到27塊的話是我們現在政府能夠接受的嗎\n27比1我們能夠接受嗎這個對產業的調適能力應該是很大的衝擊但是我們認為現在我們沒有做這樣的一個評估啦所以請問您能夠保證30.93已經是稅低點了嗎不會再往下了嗎\n我再重複我國並不是一個這個政治去操控匯率的國家所以所以跌到27是有可能發生的事情嗎我現在是說有或是沒有對這個大家的心理狀況會產生很大的變化因為大家都在擔心所以我必須要問你啊我只能說這兩天的半天如果今天跌到了27塊錢的話你也知道對產業的影響是有多麼的大嘛所以我們既然要救這個國家也要先救市啊\n否則的話我們出口我們對股市股市我們有幾套的做三套的措施穩定股市那如果這兩天的變化央行會認為我們應該做投資一些什麼樣的因應措施的話那麼這一點一定現在就要去做了因為我們過去是到33甚至有到34現在呢31.1然後最低還跌到30.93這是很久沒有出現的這個情況\n非常非常的重要你們一定要注意不然我們的出口產業我們出口產業倒了我們進口產業沒降價這個時候對所有台灣人民造成的影響那是不可逆的好我要問的是有關於郭志輝的這個部長經濟部長\n經濟部長他已經有非常多次的發言爭議我不一一的說因為太多了最近的是台電如果員工看不下去可以離開那您也說了你會找他談談再來以蒙古鎮比喻台積電跟英特爾的合資案再來他說電價不是越便宜越好而且還說不必每一個房間都裝冷氣我想要請問一下院長你們家每一個房間都有裝冷氣嗎\n也沒有 你就是裝這個客廳啊 臥室等等的好 我今天因為那個經理部長不在不然我也想問他不必每房都裝冷氣然後呢 也被批評說你沒有同理心那如果有人家裡想要裝冷氣的話你管他這麼多要做什麼呢還有 我們在台灣晶片被課稅百分之百的時候郭志輝院長表示不一定不合理啊\n被柯真晶片百分之百關稅要講說不一定不合理被問到這個問題的時候那呢被認為他沒有去捍衛台灣的產業利益可能會對談判造成不好的影響甚至\n排骨暴跌的時候他說這是景氣循環的一部分我們都知道當時的這個暴跌是因為川普的政策而不是說這是景氣的一部分喔所以大家覺得你沒有提出解決的方案這裡我就想講囉\n郭志輝部長從他上任以來我還不談他菲律賓綠電沒有經過你們的了解就已經公然宣布這樣子的一個事情引發外界嘩然我想要問的是他如果說看不下去可以離開那請問我們人民看不下去郭志輝部長的時候他是不是應該要離開經濟部長的位置了\n跟委員說明我會邀郭部長一起用具體的行動去關懷我們包括國營世界戰略的所有勞工夥伴表達政府把勞工當作政府重要資源也珍惜他們為國家的奉獻\n他的話已經說出口傷害到很多人了而且我剛剛我們再看一下這上面每一個每一個都是他的相關的爭議那所以我們很多人都已經認為郭志輝是一個不合格的經濟部的部長所以卓榮泰院長你身為院長底下的部長做得好做得不好\n你也應該要負起責任如果像郭志輝這樣子他說做不好那就不想做可以離開那人民看不下去認為他做不好的時候是不是經濟部長也應該要準備下台了院長您的意思呢是 郭部長是來自民間企業的主持人他把民間企業的效率帶進政府這一點我是值得肯定的\n所以你覺得現在的經濟部非常有效率嗎大的企業他有自己調適的能力身為一個部長更應該廣泛照顧到所有的企業在政府的部會所長的情況底下應該更廣泛去提出整體面的政策不是啊 這不是提出整體面啦\n經濟我們的關稅如果被課百分之百的話晶片不一定不合理大家問你是哪一國人啊怎麼站在美國的立場講話沒有幫台灣人講話台電的勞工站出來反抗的時候你說不想做不要做也不是代表大家的聲音再來有非常多電價不是越便宜越好\n對我們的人民來說電價當然是越便宜越好啊當我們的這個經濟部長已經失能的時候你還在為他講話為他開脫難道他不應該下台嗎他就是在我的眼裡或許部長你院長你不這麼想但在我的眼裡郭志輝部長就是應該要下台了我們繼續下一個討論有關於監理站的這個遷移問題\n我們也請交通部長我們在台北市的監理所也就是八德路的監理所院長你也坐過我們松山的市議員那大概知道監理站的位置我也曾經坐過光復北路11線所以你應該知道現在這個八德監理所它在整個市中心裡面對於我們整個南松山的發展的前景造成了一些困擾\n那尤其是呢市議會已經多次的決議希望這個監理站可以搬遷可是每年一年一遷到現在都沒有搬走這個是市議會做出的決議所以我們看到監理站的現況問題包含了交通擁捨周邊發展受限以及停車困難跟多處市府公設老舊海沙屋的問題所以我們很希望就是說能夠將監理站你看喔\n這麼大的一塊土地裡面它只有四層樓後面全部都是空地其實這是浪費了很多台北市精華地段的空間所以我想要請問一下我想要請問一下什麼時候我們的監理站才會正式的搬遷讓這個地方其實台北市政府都已經規劃好了\n要做一個13層樓的大樓包含是可能我們的相關的市政機關的遷入還有包含民眾的休憩空間但現在就在於說千里站一直卡在這個地方沒有按照原本的期程去搬遷所以我想要請問一下千里站什麼時候我們才會按照預定的計畫搬遷完畢30年前我住光復北路11巷的時候那時候有一個瓦斯球我們希望他搬走 他已經搬走了\n那個時候我就認為監理站這個地方如果能夠大街過的都市的更新開發對當地地區的發展是有效的我們看一下下一張團片交通部現在有沒有進一步的計畫包委員 這個計畫已經有在景美有做一個規劃希望搬遷的地方那現在在做變更的設計當中\n那再跟地方溝通 我們會盡速啦盡速 可以可以多快 因為我之前一直問的時候就是不斷的拖延 不是你們拖延我在台北市政府市議會的時候我問然後他們來問中央都拖了一年又一年又一年所以請問可不可以給我們一個答覆到底在什麼時候呢現在至少已經有一個計畫要搬遷到景美啦那這個部分如果我們可以加速的話我們會趕快加速 趕快搬過去\n那最後因為時間不太夠我要問一下淨零承諾的問題那賴清澤總統他有說過要有這個淨零的承諾那我想要請問一下我們在這個關於電動機車跟電動汽車的部分電動機車按照我們先前的這個評估跟規劃那我們有達到我們的目標嗎\n電動機車的目標確實是我們今年蠻擔心的因為只有10.5%差了一倍左右因為時間不夠我就直接講所以希望我們能夠針對油電銷售比的制度讓車商逐年販售的電動車跟混合比汽機車都一樣有明確的獎勵\n好 謝謝徐小溪\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.308 --> 00:10.418\n謝謝韓院長那我們想有請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n00:20.229 --> 00:21.511\n學員好抱歉我還沒有看到\n\n00:36.731 --> 01:03.819\n從昨天到今天所有台灣人民很多都在討論的文章你還沒有看到那你是不是覺得你應該作為行政院長要趕緊去看一下經濟學人裡面對川普相關的評估嗎那我本來要問你說呢這個文章裡面有提到台灣面臨的三個新變化但既然你連看都沒有看我只好直接告訴你好的謝謝\n\n01:05.319 --> 01:22.010\n第一,美國對中共的嚇阻力下降,中共認為關稅戰,自己可以承受更大的痛苦。第二,中共的灰色地帶戰術配合外交攻勢,提供中共封鎖台灣的國際掩護。\n\n01:24.131 --> 01:46.909\n第三台灣政界長期以來的功能失調陷入極化及自滿的惡性循環我特別要提一下這個剛才的第三點因為第一點跟第二點屬於國際趨勢那我們即使是非常的努力那也難以自外於國際社會可是第三點呢是跟我們台灣自己有關係的\n\n01:47.890 --> 02:10.580\n也就是呢所謂台灣政界的長期功能失調陷入了這個極化跟惡性的循環裡面非常清楚的提到了賴清德賴總統那他怎麼講的呢他說總統賴清德必須跟國民黨以及新興的第三勢力共同運作導致這個政治的僵局\n\n02:11.320 --> 02:33.886\n那他談到的是說賴清德對於中國大陸滲透的強硬反制也進一步加深了社會的對立以及政治的分裂也就是說我們要談討的是賴清德總統還有或者是我們行政院我們在講團結的時候但卻造成了社會的更加的分裂卓院長你怎麼看這件事\n\n02:34.537 --> 02:47.970\n一個專業的經濟性的雜誌所引用的資訊我們當然應該要重視啦但是裡面所提到的說政府的功能失能我覺得我們彼此都有責任我們彼此都有責任那你認為應該要怎麼樣去改善呢\n\n02:53.390 --> 03:14.241\n我們現在就是希望能夠在面對國際貿易秩序重整當中如果我們展現出讓國際看到台灣的朝野一致朝野一致有包括現在包含你們自己卓榮泰院長你也在什麼人民是頭家上面去宣講去宣講的時候在強調這個大罷免\n\n03:16.042 --> 03:43.022\n所以我想要問你整場裡面包含是其他的人這就是一個大罷免的活動你們只是從預算的角度從你自己的角度去講但從人民的角度看來這就是在分裂台灣製造更多的對立而且我們也感受到最近有更多越來越多的這個對立在台灣發生跟您剛剛所講的團結有很大的差異上一次呢我跟您在質詢的過程當中我就講過了\n\n03:45.643 --> 04:12.537\n對於產業的支持我們是完全認同的而且呢880億我們也說了希望能夠對產業的扶持提高更多能夠幫助我們的這些中小企業那您也給我一個正面的回覆這個叫做團結可是問題是在我們立法院這個殿堂之外的這些大罷免他就是在製造更多的對立那剛才呢羅明財委員也講到了有關匯率的這個問題喔\n\n04:14.238 --> 04:34.008\n央行總裁楊金龍他有說呢台幣沒有受到美國的壓力可是台幣今天一天升九角如果每天這樣子升的話呢那請問我們的底線在哪裡什麼時候央行才會出手那讓今天的低點30.93不要再繼續滑落下去\n\n04:34.994 --> 04:47.787\n我們還是要持續的觀察國際間的貨幣市場的這個國際的情勢那台灣長期以來我們是屬於比較穩定的貨幣我問一下我們上一次跌到30.93是什麼時候\n\n04:51.962 --> 05:19.428\n時間請委員來做我也不知道啊你要回答我啊上一次30.93是什麼時候啊回去查一下正確的資料因為我的意思是說你們作為你剛剛講的我們對於關稅我們對於匯率還有羅明才剛剛委員問了這麼多的問題你們都說你們有做評估你們都說你們有準備你們都說呢關於匯率我們是一個出口七成的貿易的國家你們都這麼告訴我們的時候我問你\n\n05:20.248 --> 05:36.790\n上一次跌到今天的低點30.93是什麼時候上一次發生這樣的狀況是什麼時候的時候你竟然質問我你自己不知道我不是質問你我說請委員質問我啦不是質問我不好意思質問我那你自己不知道\n\n05:37.570 --> 05:56.814\n我們可以去查正確的資料告訴委員只是我跟委員報告一件事情央行總裁是定時都會向行政院也會向總統報告我國的整體經濟的行情我知道啊你剛剛已經回答過羅明財委員的你就不用再重複回覆了因為我們現在都有網路的直播我想要問這兩天的變化跌到30.93會不會繼續下跌\n\n06:03.295 --> 06:17.598\n這兩天的變化或許下週央行總裁就會有一份報告過來給我們看我們會再跟央行總裁有報告之後所以要等到下一個禮拜或許因為明天我們就會休兩天下禮拜應該會央行總裁會來報告所以我想要請問一下我們現在的規劃如果跌到27塊的話是我們現在政府能夠接受的嗎\n\n06:29.701 --> 06:33.383\n27比1我們能夠接受嗎這個對產業的調適能力應該是很大的衝擊但是我們認為現在我們沒有做這樣的一個評估啦所以請問您能夠保證30.93已經是稅低點了嗎不會再往下了嗎\n\n06:50.066 --> 07:18.328\n我再重複我國並不是一個這個政治去操控匯率的國家所以所以跌到27是有可能發生的事情嗎我現在是說有或是沒有對這個大家的心理狀況會產生很大的變化因為大家都在擔心所以我必須要問你啊我只能說這兩天的半天如果今天跌到了27塊錢的話你也知道對產業的影響是有多麼的大嘛所以我們既然要救這個國家也要先救市啊\n\n07:19.068 --> 07:44.459\n否則的話我們出口我們對股市股市我們有幾套的做三套的措施穩定股市那如果這兩天的變化央行會認為我們應該做投資一些什麼樣的因應措施的話那麼這一點一定現在就要去做了因為我們過去是到33甚至有到34現在呢31.1然後最低還跌到30.93這是很久沒有出現的這個情況\n\n07:45.720 --> 08:02.405\n非常非常的重要你們一定要注意不然我們的出口產業我們出口產業倒了我們進口產業沒降價這個時候對所有台灣人民造成的影響那是不可逆的好我要問的是有關於郭志輝的這個部長經濟部長\n\n08:07.433 --> 08:35.926\n經濟部長他已經有非常多次的發言爭議我不一一的說因為太多了最近的是台電如果員工看不下去可以離開那您也說了你會找他談談再來以蒙古鎮比喻台積電跟英特爾的合資案再來他說電價不是越便宜越好而且還說不必每一個房間都裝冷氣我想要請問一下院長你們家每一個房間都有裝冷氣嗎\n\n08:37.616 --> 09:02.864\n也沒有你就是裝這個客廳啊臥室等等的好我今天因為那個經理部長不在不然我也想問他不必每房都裝冷氣然後呢也被批評說你沒有同理心那如果有人家裡想要裝冷氣的話你管他這麼多要做什麼呢還有我們在台灣晶片被課稅百分之百的時候郭志輝院長表示不一定不合理啊\n\n09:03.624 --> 09:18.141\n被柯真晶片百分之百關稅要講說不一定不合理被問到這個問題的時候那呢被認為他沒有去捍衛台灣的產業利益可能會對談判造成不好的影響甚至\n\n09:18.541 --> 09:34.594\n排骨暴跌的時候他說這是景氣循環的一部分我們都知道當時的這個暴跌是因為川普的政策而不是說這是景氣的一部分喔所以大家覺得你沒有提出解決的方案這裡我就想講囉\n\n09:35.675 --> 09:56.785\n郭志輝部長從他上任以來我還不談他菲律賓綠電沒有經過你們的了解就已經公然宣布這樣子的一個事情引發外界嘩然我想要問的是他如果說看不下去可以離開那請問我們人民看不下去郭志輝部長的時候他是不是應該要離開經濟部長的位置了\n\n09:59.188 --> 10:13.648\n跟委員說明我會邀郭部長一起用具體的行動去關懷我們包括國營世界戰略的所有勞工夥伴表達政府把勞工當作政府重要資源也珍惜他們為國家的奉獻\n\n10:14.229 --> 10:35.914\n他的話已經說出口傷害到很多人了而且我剛剛我們再看一下這上面每一個每一個都是他的相關的爭議那所以我們很多人都已經認為郭志輝是一個不合格的經濟部的部長所以卓榮泰院長你身為院長底下的部長做得好做得不好\n\n10:36.334 --> 10:59.703\n你也應該要負起責任如果像郭志輝這樣子他說做不好那就不想做可以離開那人民看不下去認為他做不好的時候是不是經濟部長也應該要準備下台了院長您的意思呢是郭部長是來自民間企業的主持人他把民間企業的效率帶進政府這一點我是值得肯定的\n\n11:00.083 --> 11:17.979\n所以你覺得現在的經濟部非常有效率嗎大的企業他有自己調適的能力身為一個部長更應該廣泛照顧到所有的企業在政府的部會所長的情況底下應該更廣泛去提出整體面的政策不是啊這不是提出整體面啦\n\n11:19.380 --> 11:39.500\n經濟我們的關稅如果被課百分之百的話晶片不一定不合理大家問你是哪一國人啊怎麼站在美國的立場講話沒有幫台灣人講話台電的勞工站出來反抗的時候你說不想做不要做也不是代表大家的聲音再來有非常多電價不是越便宜越好\n\n11:40.260 --> 12:01.204\n對我們的人民來說電價當然是越便宜越好啊當我們的這個經濟部長已經失能的時候你還在為他講話為他開脫難道他不應該下台嗎他就是在我的眼裡或許部長你院長你不這麼想但在我的眼裡郭志輝部長就是應該要下台了我們繼續下一個討論有關於監理站的這個遷移問題\n\n12:06.109 --> 12:31.590\n我們也請交通部長我們在台北市的監理所也就是八德路的監理所院長你也坐過我們松山的市議員那大概知道監理站的位置我也曾經坐過光復北路11線所以你應該知道現在這個八德監理所它在整個市中心裡面對於我們整個南松山的發展的前景造成了一些困擾\n\n12:32.290 --> 13:00.823\n那尤其是呢市議會已經多次的決議希望這個監理站可以搬遷可是每年一年一遷到現在都沒有搬走這個是市議會做出的決議所以我們看到監理站的現況問題包含了交通擁捨周邊發展受限以及停車困難跟多處市府公設老舊海沙屋的問題所以我們很希望就是說能夠將監理站你看喔\n\n13:01.563 --> 13:20.576\n這麼大的一塊土地裡面它只有四層樓後面全部都是空地其實這是浪費了很多台北市精華地段的空間所以我想要請問一下我想要請問一下什麼時候我們的監理站才會正式的搬遷讓這個地方其實台北市政府都已經規劃好了\n\n13:20.916 --> 13:49.718\n要做一個13層樓的大樓包含是可能我們的相關的市政機關的遷入還有包含民眾的休憩空間但現在就在於說千里站一直卡在這個地方沒有按照原本的期程去搬遷所以我想要請問一下千里站什麼時候我們才會按照預定的計畫搬遷完畢30年前我住光復北路11巷的時候那時候有一個瓦斯球我們希望他搬走他已經搬走了\n\n13:50.779 --> 14:10.279\n那個時候我就認為監理站這個地方如果能夠大街過的都市的更新開發對當地地區的發展是有效的我們看一下下一張團片交通部現在有沒有進一步的計畫包委員這個計畫已經有在景美有做一個規劃希望搬遷的地方那現在在做變更的設計當中\n\n14:12.481 --> 14:38.317\n那再跟地方溝通我們會盡速啦盡速可以可以多快因為我之前一直問的時候就是不斷的拖延不是你們拖延我在台北市政府市議會的時候我問然後他們來問中央都拖了一年又一年又一年所以請問可不可以給我們一個答覆到底在什麼時候呢現在至少已經有一個計畫要搬遷到景美啦那這個部分如果我們可以加速的話我們會趕快加速趕快搬過去\n\n14:38.877 --> 15:00.425\n那最後因為時間不太夠我要問一下淨零承諾的問題那賴清澤總統他有說過要有這個淨零的承諾那我想要請問一下我們在這個關於電動機車跟電動汽車的部分電動機車按照我們先前的這個評估跟規劃那我們有達到我們的目標嗎\n\n15:03.797 --> 15:23.509\n電動機車的目標確實是我們今年蠻擔心的因為只有10.5%差了一倍左右因為時間不夠我就直接講所以希望我們能夠針對油電銷售比的制度讓車商逐年販售的電動車跟混合比汽機車都一樣有明確的獎勵\n\n15:43.207 --> 15:44.348\n好謝謝徐小溪\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.308,"end":10.418,"text":"謝謝韓院長 那我們想有請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢"},{"start":20.229,"end":21.511,"text":"學員好抱歉我還沒有看到"},{"start":36.731,"end":63.819,"text":"從昨天到今天所有台灣人民很多都在討論的文章你還沒有看到那你是不是覺得你應該作為行政院長要趕緊去看一下經濟學人裡面對川普相關的評估嗎那我本來要問你說呢這個文章裡面有提到台灣面臨的三個新變化但既然你連看都沒有看我只好直接告訴你好的 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台灣政界長期以來的功能失調陷入極化及自滿的惡性循環我特別要提一下這個剛才的第三點因為第一點跟第二點屬於國際趨勢那我們即使是非常的努力那也難以自外於國際社會可是第三點呢是跟我們台灣自己有關係的"},{"start":107.89,"end":130.58,"text":"也就是呢所謂台灣政界的長期功能失調陷入了這個極化跟惡性的循環裡面非常清楚的提到了賴清德賴總統那他怎麼講的呢他說總統賴清德必須跟國民黨以及新興的第三勢力共同運作導致這個政治的僵局"},{"start":131.32,"end":153.886,"text":"那他談到的是說賴清德對於中國大陸滲透的強硬反制也進一步加深了社會的對立以及政治的分裂也就是說我們要談討的是賴清德總統還有或者是我們行政院我們在講團結的時候但卻造成了社會的更加的分裂卓院長你怎麼看這件事"},{"start":154.537,"end":167.97,"text":"一個專業的經濟性的雜誌所引用的資訊我們當然應該要重視啦但是裡面所提到的說政府的功能失能我覺得我們彼此都有責任我們彼此都有責任那你認為應該要怎麼樣去改善呢"},{"start":173.39,"end":194.241,"text":"我們現在就是希望能夠在面對國際貿易秩序重整當中如果我們展現出讓國際看到台灣的朝野一致朝野一致有包括現在包含你們自己卓榮泰院長你也在什麼人民是頭家上面去宣講去宣講的時候在強調這個大罷免"},{"start":196.042,"end":223.022,"text":"所以我想要問你整場裡面包含是其他的人這就是一個大罷免的活動你們只是從預算的角度從你自己的角度去講但從人民的角度看來這就是在分裂台灣製造更多的對立而且我們也感受到最近有更多越來越多的這個對立在台灣發生跟您剛剛所講的團結有很大的差異上一次呢我跟您在質詢的過程當中我就講過了"},{"start":225.643,"end":252.537,"text":"對於產業的支持我們是完全認同的而且呢880億我們也說了希望能夠對產業的扶持提高更多能夠幫助我們的這些中小企業那您也給我一個正面的回覆這個叫做團結可是問題是在我們立法院這個殿堂之外的這些大罷免他就是在製造更多的對立那剛才呢羅明財委員也講到了有關匯率的這個問題喔"},{"start":254.238,"end":274.008,"text":"央行總裁楊金龍他有說呢台幣沒有受到美國的壓力可是台幣今天一天升九角如果每天這樣子升的話呢那請問我們的底線在哪裡什麼時候央行才會出手那讓今天的低點30.93不要再繼續滑落下去"},{"start":274.994,"end":287.787,"text":"我們還是要持續的觀察國際間的貨幣市場的這個國際的情勢那台灣長期以來我們是屬於比較穩定的貨幣我問一下我們上一次跌到30.93是什麼時候"},{"start":291.962,"end":319.428,"text":"時間請委員來做我也不知道啊你要回答我啊上一次30.93是什麼時候啊回去查一下正確的資料因為我的意思是說你們作為你剛剛講的我們對於關稅我們對於匯率還有羅明才剛剛委員問了這麼多的問題你們都說你們有做評估你們都說你們有準備你們都說呢關於匯率我們是一個出口七成的貿易的國家你們都這麼告訴我們的時候我問你"},{"start":320.248,"end":336.79,"text":"上一次跌到今天的低點30.93是什麼時候上一次發生這樣的狀況是什麼時候的時候你竟然質問我你自己不知道我不是質問你我說請委員質問我啦不是質問我不好意思質問我那你自己不知道"},{"start":337.57,"end":356.814,"text":"我們可以去查正確的資料告訴委員只是我跟委員報告一件事情央行總裁是定時都會向行政院也會向總統報告我國的整體經濟的行情我知道啊 你剛剛已經回答過羅明財委員的你就不用再重複回覆了因為我們現在都有網路的直播我想要問這兩天的變化跌到30.93會不會繼續下跌"},{"start":363.295,"end":377.598,"text":"這兩天的變化或許下週央行總裁就會有一份報告過來給我們看我們會再跟央行總裁有報告之後所以要等到下一個禮拜或許因為明天我們就會休兩天下禮拜應該會央行總裁會來報告所以我想要請問一下我們現在的規劃如果跌到27塊的話是我們現在政府能夠接受的嗎"},{"start":389.701,"end":393.383,"text":"27比1我們能夠接受嗎這個對產業的調適能力應該是很大的衝擊但是我們認為現在我們沒有做這樣的一個評估啦所以請問您能夠保證30.93已經是稅低點了嗎不會再往下了嗎"},{"start":410.066,"end":438.328,"text":"我再重複我國並不是一個這個政治去操控匯率的國家所以所以跌到27是有可能發生的事情嗎我現在是說有或是沒有對這個大家的心理狀況會產生很大的變化因為大家都在擔心所以我必須要問你啊我只能說這兩天的半天如果今天跌到了27塊錢的話你也知道對產業的影響是有多麼的大嘛所以我們既然要救這個國家也要先救市啊"},{"start":439.068,"end":464.459,"text":"否則的話我們出口我們對股市股市我們有幾套的做三套的措施穩定股市那如果這兩天的變化央行會認為我們應該做投資一些什麼樣的因應措施的話那麼這一點一定現在就要去做了因為我們過去是到33甚至有到34現在呢31.1然後最低還跌到30.93這是很久沒有出現的這個情況"},{"start":465.72,"end":482.405,"text":"非常非常的重要你們一定要注意不然我們的出口產業我們出口產業倒了我們進口產業沒降價這個時候對所有台灣人民造成的影響那是不可逆的好我要問的是有關於郭志輝的這個部長經濟部長"},{"start":487.433,"end":515.926,"text":"經濟部長他已經有非常多次的發言爭議我不一一的說因為太多了最近的是台電如果員工看不下去可以離開那您也說了你會找他談談再來以蒙古鎮比喻台積電跟英特爾的合資案再來他說電價不是越便宜越好而且還說不必每一個房間都裝冷氣我想要請問一下院長你們家每一個房間都有裝冷氣嗎"},{"start":517.616,"end":542.864,"text":"也沒有 你就是裝這個客廳啊 臥室等等的好 我今天因為那個經理部長不在不然我也想問他不必每房都裝冷氣然後呢 也被批評說你沒有同理心那如果有人家裡想要裝冷氣的話你管他這麼多要做什麼呢還有 我們在台灣晶片被課稅百分之百的時候郭志輝院長表示不一定不合理啊"},{"start":543.624,"end":558.141,"text":"被柯真晶片百分之百關稅要講說不一定不合理被問到這個問題的時候那呢被認為他沒有去捍衛台灣的產業利益可能會對談判造成不好的影響甚至"},{"start":558.541,"end":574.594,"text":"排骨暴跌的時候他說這是景氣循環的一部分我們都知道當時的這個暴跌是因為川普的政策而不是說這是景氣的一部分喔所以大家覺得你沒有提出解決的方案這裡我就想講囉"},{"start":575.675,"end":596.785,"text":"郭志輝部長從他上任以來我還不談他菲律賓綠電沒有經過你們的了解就已經公然宣布這樣子的一個事情引發外界嘩然我想要問的是他如果說看不下去可以離開那請問我們人民看不下去郭志輝部長的時候他是不是應該要離開經濟部長的位置了"},{"start":599.188,"end":613.648,"text":"跟委員說明我會邀郭部長一起用具體的行動去關懷我們包括國營世界戰略的所有勞工夥伴表達政府把勞工當作政府重要資源也珍惜他們為國家的奉獻"},{"start":614.229,"end":635.914,"text":"他的話已經說出口傷害到很多人了而且我剛剛我們再看一下這上面每一個每一個都是他的相關的爭議那所以我們很多人都已經認為郭志輝是一個不合格的經濟部的部長所以卓榮泰院長你身為院長底下的部長做得好做得不好"},{"start":636.334,"end":659.703,"text":"你也應該要負起責任如果像郭志輝這樣子他說做不好那就不想做可以離開那人民看不下去認為他做不好的時候是不是經濟部長也應該要準備下台了院長您的意思呢是 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這不是提出整體面啦"},{"start":679.38,"end":699.5,"text":"經濟我們的關稅如果被課百分之百的話晶片不一定不合理大家問你是哪一國人啊怎麼站在美國的立場講話沒有幫台灣人講話台電的勞工站出來反抗的時候你說不想做不要做也不是代表大家的聲音再來有非常多電價不是越便宜越好"},{"start":700.26,"end":721.204,"text":"對我們的人民來說電價當然是越便宜越好啊當我們的這個經濟部長已經失能的時候你還在為他講話為他開脫難道他不應該下台嗎他就是在我的眼裡或許部長你院長你不這麼想但在我的眼裡郭志輝部長就是應該要下台了我們繼續下一個討論有關於監理站的這個遷移問題"},{"start":726.109,"end":751.59,"text":"我們也請交通部長我們在台北市的監理所也就是八德路的監理所院長你也坐過我們松山的市議員那大概知道監理站的位置我也曾經坐過光復北路11線所以你應該知道現在這個八德監理所它在整個市中心裡面對於我們整個南松山的發展的前景造成了一些困擾"},{"start":752.29,"end":780.823,"text":"那尤其是呢市議會已經多次的決議希望這個監理站可以搬遷可是每年一年一遷到現在都沒有搬走這個是市議會做出的決議所以我們看到監理站的現況問題包含了交通擁捨周邊發展受限以及停車困難跟多處市府公設老舊海沙屋的問題所以我們很希望就是說能夠將監理站你看喔"},{"start":781.563,"end":800.576,"text":"這麼大的一塊土地裡面它只有四層樓後面全部都是空地其實這是浪費了很多台北市精華地段的空間所以我想要請問一下我想要請問一下什麼時候我們的監理站才會正式的搬遷讓這個地方其實台北市政府都已經規劃好了"},{"start":800.916,"end":829.718,"text":"要做一個13層樓的大樓包含是可能我們的相關的市政機關的遷入還有包含民眾的休憩空間但現在就在於說千里站一直卡在這個地方沒有按照原本的期程去搬遷所以我想要請問一下千里站什麼時候我們才會按照預定的計畫搬遷完畢30年前我住光復北路11巷的時候那時候有一個瓦斯球我們希望他搬走 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又一年，所以請問可不可以給我們一個答復，到底在什麼時候呢？"],["陳部長世凱：現在至少已經有一個計畫要搬遷到景美，這部分如果可以加速的話，我們會趕快加速、趕快搬過去。"],["徐委員巧芯：好。最後，因為時間不太夠，我要問一下淨零承諾的問題。賴清德總統說過要有淨零承諾，我想要請問一下，我們在關於電動機車跟電動汽車的部分，電動機車按照我們先前的評估跟規劃，我們有達到我們的目標嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，電動機車的目標，確實我們今年蠻擔心的，電動汽車有達到，電動機車有比較難。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，因為只有10.5%，差了一倍左右。因為時間不夠，我就直接講。希望我們能夠針對油電銷售比的制度，讓車商逐年販售的電動車跟混合比，汽機車都一樣，有明確的獎勵制度，讓民眾有購買的意願，讓更多的電動機車能夠被市民所接納，不要讓電動機車跟一般機車的價格是差不多的，這樣對我們的淨零排放來說會有很大的影響跟問題，可以做到嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們來努力。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝徐巧芯委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、交通部長的備詢，謝謝。","報告院會，我們現在休息10分鐘，10分鐘之後我們繼續進行質詢，現在休息。","休息（16時9分）","繼續開會（16時19分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":116,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-10","speakers":["韓國瑜","林思銘","蘇巧慧","林俊憲","王義川","蔡易餘","吳秉叡","許智傑","徐富癸","翁曉玲","王定宇","吳琪銘","黃秀芳","吳沛憶","陳素月","楊曜","羅明才","徐巧芯","吳宗憲","陳瑩","邱若華"],"page_start":47,"meetingDate":["2025-05-02"],"gazette_id":"1144201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144201_00002","1144201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第10次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1144201_00003"}}}