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00:02:42,931\n私冤下旬有一個人落軌然後被截肢那我想請教部長這個大概還要多久才能夠在全國各地設置完畢謝謝報告委員我們現在正在試辦的過程而已那這一組目前你所看到的這個大概明年的\n\n8\n00:02:43,532 --> 00:02:56,348\n二三月份就會正式來上線來使用那目前我們先測試看一下因為如您剛剛所說的我之前向您報告過因為它的門每一個車車的門的位置不一樣所以只好用這一種纜繩式的這個柵門這個柵欄\n\n9\n00:03:00,813 --> 00:03:24,943\n我們現在正在試辦試辦完之後我們會先挑因為台鐵的車站實在是非常多現在試辦這一側就要1.5億當然試辦價格會比較高但實際在做就不會那麼貴的狀態不過我們還是會挑第一安全比較有疑慮例如說人比較擁擠或者是那邊相對是事故的比例比較高的地方我們會優先來設置\n\n10\n00:03:26,343 --> 00:03:45,141\n那陸續會來推動我想因為日本的新幹線它早就有這樣的設置那我覺得一路以來我還是蠻希望說這個月台安全是很重要的因為我以前當檢察官的時候我自己外勤就願意過被火車碾斃了其實那個對家族來說因為那個是支離破碎對家族來說是很大的打擊\n\n11\n00:03:45,902 --> 00:04:08,342\n那我想說部長這個速度這個能加速趕快處理這個絕對是福國利民這個沒有任何的值得懷疑的地方再麻煩您加速當然1.5億這確實金額不低那當然在金額上面再麻煩部長也能多用心盡量讓這個我們國人繳的稅能夠用在該用的地方那接下來我再請教一下就是高鐵那個\n\n12\n00:04:09,062 --> 00:04:37,187\n宜蘭的延伸案件我在禮拜三的時候有跟部長有討論過這個議題啦那我想說齁現在這個問題還是出在說目前雖然說鐵道局公布有79.6的那個居民希望說能夠趕快過當然啦他還是有一些不一樣的聲音所以這個溝通上面其實是非常重要就像上一次公聽會的時候我全程都有在場那我們去現刊的時候當時那個二龍村的村長那個林村長他到場\n\n13\n00:04:37,867 --> 00:04:52,282\n他就還在那邊不高興說他完全沒有得到通知他是看到突然那一天來了很多警察他才知道要到那邊現刊然後現場就有非常多的抱怨所以我想說所以我才會在禮拜三的時候我請教部長說這個\n\n14\n00:04:54,163 --> 00:05:10,169\n這個目前還是有很多疑義啦我們都希望這個交通建設能夠趕快完成但是還是有很多民眾有一些不一樣的聲音那我們只能透過多溝通然後的方式然後讓他們能夠安心嘛就像交西的那個\n\n15\n00:05:11,229 --> 00:05:11,249\n那呃\n\n16\n00:05:42,058 --> 00:05:59,931\n之前那個環境部部長其實那個彭部長他其實也有提到就是說跟地方上面很多的衝突不應該由這個環評會來解決他其實是希望交通部這裡就要處理我不知道部長你有什麼想法在部長答覆之前跟我有報告因為這個事情牽涉到交通部還有環境部如果是環評的狀況\n\n17\n00:06:01,192 --> 00:06:29,693\n所以我日前我有請工程會曾經的主委也要進行協調來統合這個部分我想經的主委他會了解很多的事情但是細節請交通部長好謝謝院長部長好報告委員這個溝通的部分不只是公聽會我們其實在法定上面的公聽會當然辦過三場那之後我們還有環評的會議但是我們的鐵道局平常時有需要溝通的時候我們隨時都可以到地方下去溝通甚至是說明\n\n18\n00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:52,495\n我的意思是說不一定公聽會才是一種形式啦各種的說明方案其實我們也都陸續在進行那包含我們經德政委他其實也到地方溝通過非常多次那陳俊宇委員其實也協助我們在地方上做不一樣的溝通跟各個鄉鎮之間的溝通其實我們不斷在進行所以不是只有公聽會這種形式啦\n\n19\n00:06:53,095 --> 00:07:09,388\n各種形式我們都在進行沒關係那這個因為我們禮拜三的臨時動議的時候其實提案已經有提到了嘛那部長也有提到有關這個部分因為我自己是回過頭去想事情陳副主委說明一下沒關係就是因為最近有一些狀況的發生其實都是源自於溝通不良\n\n20\n00:07:10,109 --> 00:07:34,251\n包括我覺得最近有一些民生議題或者是一些反對的聲音出來其實都是就是有人會批評說政府傲慢或是不聽人民的聲音我想就是因為這個原因所以我才希望說交通部能夠跟地方能夠多溝通當然我也知道政委也很努力在撮合這件事這個我也是滿感謝政委的能夠為我們宜蘭人能夠做這麼大的努力\n\n21\n00:07:34,992 --> 00:07:51,131\n我也知道大家都努力在這件事情上面但是拜託溝通上面一定要我們都要盡全力去處理那如果說本期這邊如果有需要的情況下我們也有可能會辦一些說明會那到時候可能在\n\n22\n00:07:51,755 --> 00:08:11,432\n邀請看部長願不願意一起出席啦如果有必要的話那我再請教部長就是國道五號塞車的問題因為國道五號塞車這個已經講了十年了大家也煩十年了啦那這個國道五號塞車這個會影響到觀光客而且會影響到在地人的生活品質\n\n23\n00:08:12,389 --> 00:08:41,143\n那我自己這樣常跑宜蘭包括我以前常來當立委之前也常帶家人去宜蘭玩那我們發現一個狀況就是我發現有兩個關卡這我個人的潛見覺得有兩個關卡第一個就是說你在平面上面在管制的時段內你平面上面要上高速公路的那個閘道儀控就會卡很久我們會在平面上面卡很久那平面上卡很久也會影響到宜蘭在地人的那個交通的順暢度\n\n24\n00:08:41,983 --> 00:08:59,415\n那第二個就是在高速公路上面他在投誠交流道國道警察局前面還有一支紅燈那一支紅燈也常常讓後面國道5號上面南向那個北上就是由南往北那邊大塞車我想部長你一定知道這個狀況對吧\n\n25\n00:09:00,996 --> 00:09:26,787\n那現在是這樣啦我想請教一下就是因為設置這個移道控管的這個其實他會不會變成是只是讓那個主線過雪隧過去看起來沒塞車可是其他地方就塞爆了呢會不會有這個東西部長報告委員其實高速公路的這個移控閘道的管制其實是一個智慧化的管制啦那這個部分其實是很科學的他們有計算過\n\n26\n00:09:27,507 --> 00:09:45,579\n你讓他全部上去塞其實整體在那個時間比如說五個小時好了能夠通過的車流是少的那如果讓上面不塞塞在下面五個小時之後整體的車流是多的那我們當然是希望更多車可以順利通過嘛所以這是一個很科學的一個技藝\n\n27\n00:09:45,979 --> 00:10:12,292\n我想說我們就是點出問題啦當然我個人的個性也是會尊重專業但是專業就是我覺得要滾動式的一直不停的研究看有沒有更新的想法就像上面那一支紅綠燈的那個控管我想請教部長它是固定秒數還是浮動的秒數我想現在都有智慧移控不只是砸到跟地方政府的這個我是說那個高速公路上面那一支紅綠燈是固定秒數嗎\n\n28\n00:10:14,215 --> 00:10:42,804\n應該是智慧的那沒關係我在這邊提醒因為部長你沒有辦法肯定答案那我是想我是個人是覺得啦如果他還是固定秒數的話那是不是我們可以利用一些大數據的方式或是同時去了解高速公路上面的車流量以及高速公路底下路那個平面道路的車流量去有效的去做出最好的秒數控管好嗎報告委員這個都是智慧移控智慧移控它不會是固定秒數對我意思就是說\n\n29\n00:10:43,504 --> 00:11:02,879\n所以我剛請教嘛因為部長沒有辦法確定是或不是嘛那如果說應該不是固定秒數它是智慧引擎對你不能跟我說應該啦那沒關係所以我今天的講法就是說再麻煩您了解一下如果它是固定秒數或者是如果它的那個控管的方式是它的控管的\n\n30\n00:11:03,499 --> 00:11:24,188\n模式是比較早期的那是不是我們能夠再優化更現代化進步一點好嗎因為我們的同時控管可以包括高速公路上面以及平面道路的車流狀況好那另外我要請教一個問題啦就是有關慢速車控制的問題因為我其實這段時間我有行文去給一些相關的單位我想請教一下\n\n31\n00:11:24,568 --> 00:11:40,758\n就是國道5號有沒有可能限速拉高當然他們給我回覆的都是蠻專業的說法他們認為說因為國道5號他是面臨一些環境比較敏感還有施工一些難度等等的問題所以他還有就是那個車速限制拉高對\n\n32\n00:11:41,978 --> 00:11:56,611\n塞車的有效果的那個幫助其實沒有那麼大這個是他們專業給我的答覆沒關係我姑且相信信賴這個專業的判斷如果在沒有辦法調高限速的情況下\n\n33\n00:11:58,452 --> 00:12:12,816\n有沒有可能做一些浮動的限速調整或者是能夠對於慢速車的加強管制因為我手上一個資料就是113年這個血稅入段總共發出19.4萬次慢速車的試警它佔總車流的1.78%但是實際開罰的只有605件今年4月甚至是0開罰\n\n34\n00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:37,701\n到底這個原因是什麼部長您知道嗎報告委員他只要是慢速我們在血稅裡面其實會有廣播系統去通知他希望他能夠快速一點所以這個部分他如果有加速了大概就不會開罰\n\n35\n00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:59,675\n那我再跟您說另外一個問題那我知道您的意思我再跟你說另外一個問題目前高速公路高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里但是警政署開發的標準是70公里因為這兩個單位都公家單位那民眾也搞不清楚所以這個部分是不是麻煩部長能夠協助去協調因為一個是屬於內政部\n\n36\n00:13:02,896 --> 00:13:22,004\n可不可以去協調一下對於慢速車這個認定的標準是什麼我再重複一次就是高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里那警政署認定是70公里那如果兩個公家單位有不同的認定那本來在開罰上面或者是管制上面就會有一些比較麻煩的地方因為這是我去調研相關資料之後發現的\n\n37\n00:13:23,737 --> 00:13:42,393\n我們剛剛說的你要拉高限速可能有一些技術上面的風險那這個我可以理解但是呢是不是我們至少要求在國道上面大家時速能夠維持一定的要求那這樣可以減少塞車的可能性部長你願不願意去做跟內政部去做一些協調\n\n38\n00:13:43,363 --> 00:14:00,827\n如果需要溝通我們會來溝通但是我所理解的現在會開罰他都會有個容許值例如說我們最高限數在110但是開到120才會開罰開到120他才會測速照相才會照那可能是因為那個容許值的問題那委員你既然提到我就去\n\n39\n00:14:01,547 --> 00:14:25,661\n好這部分再麻煩部長因為那個比例齁我剛剛講的19.4萬次的慢速車市景但是開罰只有605件那個差距是蠻大那我們其實所作所為我其實我就說我的理想啦我們希望好好改善宜蘭的交通以及宜蘭對外的交通我們希望讓宜蘭人能夠大家能夠提早15分鐘回家陪家人這是我們對於宜蘭的交通上面的想法那\n\n40\n00:14:27,182 --> 00:14:51,975\n因為打這段時間我覺得國道5號擁栽其實這不是宜蘭人的錯啦但是卻變成宜蘭人的痛那因為這國道5號其實長期是宜蘭的命脈所以我希望說還能夠趕緊的把它加強因為院長在新村的時候也有說到要把宜蘭打造成一個科技跟觀光的雙廊道我相信說一定我們一起努力為這個事情去做好嗎\n\n41\n00:14:52,635 --> 00:15:21,756\n北極乙包括宜蘭是我們的首都圈黃金藍帶而且東部漫和城鄉我也希望把宜蘭放進去因為國道五號不是只有宜蘭它包括花東都有可能會運用到那最後幾秒鐘我跟院長報告一件事院長因為上次我跟院長報告說那個郭部長總是把我們經濟部給我們的數據當我們質詢他他又說我們數據哪裡來那在他家最近他有一些很奇怪的言論是不是麻煩院長能夠跟部長好好溝通一下好不好\n\n42\n00:15:22,276 --> 00:15:23,741\n我會跟他互相檢討鼓勵好謝謝吳宗憲委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4529\t23611\t謝院長那我們請卓院長以及陳部長交通部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢卓院長那個陳部長你辛苦了午安部委員好兩位好\n25911\t49541\t那個院長我先跟你請教一下因為剛剛那個本來我問的問題然後剛好那個徐曉新委員也有提到就經濟學的那篇文章那因為剛剛院長有跟徐曉新委員回答說因為這文章您還沒看過所以說細節部分我就不多討論但是他所提到的三個變數的其中一個其實是有討論到台灣內部的問題\n52242\t74715\t他當然是提到就是說賴總統他的一些施政的方向其實讓我們內部其實產生一些分裂那這個部分呢還是回過頭到回到之前我跟院長有報告過兩次其實兩次我都有提到其實我們台灣需要的真的是大團結不是大罷免那全台灣2350萬人其實就算40%\n79209\t97904\t可能就一千萬人嘛那難道我們要用一千萬人跟另外一千多萬人就彼此就不是一家人嗎所以這是我一直希望說我們台灣應該走向團結只有團結我們才有力量一致對外好 那先謝謝院長好 那院長我想請教幾個問題那也順便先請教部長好了部長\n103368\t123266\t我其實之前有跟您諮詢過兩次就是有關月台啊火車月台設置這個柵欄的問題嘛那以前部長是跟我提到說因為火車它的門的位置設置不一樣所以那個月台門變成它設計上會有一些問題但是我最近看到那個高雄站設置的那個纜繩式的\n124847\t146273\t那那個就不會受到火車規格的影響嘛那我不知道說因為接下來我們還有三個特等站就是台北台中花蓮那還有28個一等站跟25個二等站那大概什麼時候可以設置完畢因為我跟部長報告一下這光四月份就四月上旬有一個人落軌死亡\n146733\t162931\t私冤下旬有一個人落軌然後被截肢那我想請教部長這個大概還要多久才能夠在全國各地設置完畢謝謝報告委員我們現在正在試辦的過程而已那這一組目前你所看到的這個大概明年的\n163532\t176348\t二三月份就會正式來上線來使用那目前我們先測試看一下因為如您剛剛所說的我之前向您報告過因為它的門每一個車車的門的位置不一樣所以只好用這一種纜繩式的這個柵門這個柵欄\n180813\t204943\t我們現在正在試辦 試辦完之後我們會先挑因為台鐵的車站實在是非常多現在試辦這一側就要1.5億當然試辦價格會比較高但實際在做就不會那麼貴的狀態不過我們還是會挑第一 安全比較有疑慮例如說人比較擁擠或者是那邊相對是事故的比例比較高的地方我們會優先來設置\n206343\t225141\t那陸續會來推動我想因為日本的新幹線它早就有這樣的設置那我覺得一路以來我還是蠻希望說這個月台安全是很重要的因為我以前當檢察官的時候我自己外勤就願意過被火車碾斃了其實那個對家族來說因為那個是支離破碎對家族來說是很大的打擊\n225902\t248342\t那我想說部長這個速度這個能加速趕快處理這個絕對是福國利民這個沒有任何的值得懷疑的地方再麻煩您加速當然1.5億這確實金額不低那當然在金額上面再麻煩部長也能多用心盡量讓這個我們國人繳的稅能夠用在該用的地方那接下來我再請教一下就是高鐵那個\n249062\t277187\t宜蘭的延伸案件我在禮拜三的時候有跟部長有討論過這個議題啦那我想說齁現在這個問題還是出在說目前雖然說鐵道局公布有79.6的那個居民希望說能夠趕快過當然啦他還是有一些不一樣的聲音所以這個溝通上面其實是非常重要就像上一次公聽會的時候我全程都有在場那我們去現刊的時候當時那個二龍村的村長那個林村長他到場\n277867\t292282\t他就還在那邊不高興說他完全沒有得到通知他是看到突然那一天來了很多警察他才知道要到那邊現刊然後現場就有非常多的抱怨所以我想說所以我才會在禮拜三的時候我請教部長說這個\n294163\t310169\t這個目前還是有很多疑義啦我們都希望這個交通建設能夠趕快完成但是還是有很多民眾有一些不一樣的聲音那我們只能透過多溝通然後的方式然後讓他們能夠安心嘛就像交西的那個\n311229\t311249\t那 呃\n342058\t359931\t之前那個環境部部長其實那個彭部長他其實也有提到就是說跟地方上面很多的衝突不應該由這個環評會來解決他其實是希望交通部這裡就要處理我不知道部長你有什麼想法在部長答覆之前跟我有報告因為這個事情牽涉到交通部還有環境部如果是環評的狀況\n361192\t389693\t所以我日前我有請工程會曾經的主委也要進行協調來統合這個部分我想經的主委他會了解很多的事情但是細節請交通部長好 謝謝院長部長好 報告委員這個溝通的部分不只是公聽會我們其實在法定上面的公聽會當然辦過三場那之後我們還有環評的會議但是我們的鐵道局平常時有需要溝通的時候我們隨時都可以到地方下去溝通甚至是說明\n390473\t412495\t我的意思是說不一定公聽會才是一種形式啦各種的說明方案其實我們也都陸續在進行那包含我們經德政委他其實也到地方溝通過非常多次那陳俊宇委員其實也協助我們在地方上做不一樣的溝通跟各個鄉鎮之間的溝通其實我們不斷在進行所以不是只有公聽會這種形式啦\n413095\t429388\t各種形式我們都在進行沒關係 那這個因為我們禮拜三的臨時動議的時候其實提案已經有提到了嘛那部長也有提到有關這個部分因為我自己是回過頭去想事情陳副主委說明一下沒關係 就是因為最近有一些狀況的發生其實都是源自於溝通不良\n430109\t454251\t包括我覺得最近有一些民生議題或者是一些反對的聲音出來其實都是就是有人會批評說政府傲慢或是不聽人民的聲音我想就是因為這個原因所以我才希望說交通部能夠跟地方能夠多溝通當然我也知道政委也很努力在撮合這件事這個我也是滿感謝政委的能夠為我們宜蘭人能夠做這麼大的努力\n454992\t471131\t我也知道大家都努力在這件事情上面但是拜託溝通上面一定要我們都要盡全力去處理那如果說本期這邊如果有需要的情況下我們也有可能會辦一些說明會那到時候可能在\n471755\t491432\t邀請看部長願不願意一起出席啦如果有必要的話那我再請教部長就是國道五號塞車的問題因為國道五號塞車這個已經講了十年了大家也煩十年了啦那這個國道五號塞車這個會影響到觀光客而且會影響到在地人的生活品質\n492389\t521143\t那我自己這樣常跑宜蘭包括我以前常來當立委之前也常帶家人去宜蘭玩那我們發現一個狀況就是我發現有兩個關卡這我個人的潛見覺得有兩個關卡第一個就是說你在平面上面在管制的時段內你平面上面要上高速公路的那個閘道儀控就會卡很久我們會在平面上面卡很久那平面上卡很久也會影響到宜蘭在地人的那個交通的順暢度\n521983\t539415\t那第二個就是在高速公路上面他在投誠交流道國道警察局前面還有一支紅燈那一支紅燈也常常讓後面國道5號上面南向那個北上就是由南往北那邊大塞車我想部長你一定知道這個狀況對吧\n540996\t566787\t那現在是這樣啦我想請教一下就是因為設置這個移道控管的這個其實他會不會變成是只是讓那個主線過雪隧過去看起來沒塞車可是其他地方就塞爆了呢會不會有這個東西 部長報告委員其實高速公路的這個移控閘道的管制其實是一個智慧化的管制啦那這個部分其實是很科學的他們有計算過\n567507\t585579\t你讓他全部上去塞其實整體在那個時間比如說五個小時好了能夠通過的車流是少的那如果讓上面不塞塞在下面五個小時之後整體的車流是多的那我們當然是希望更多車可以順利通過嘛所以這是一個很科學的一個技藝\n585979\t612292\t我想說我們就是點出問題啦當然我個人的個性也是會尊重專業但是專業就是我覺得要滾動式的一直不停的研究看有沒有更新的想法就像上面那一支紅綠燈的那個控管我想請教部長它是固定秒數還是浮動的秒數我想現在都有智慧移控不只是砸到跟地方政府的這個我是說那個高速公路上面那一支紅綠燈是固定秒數嗎\n614215\t642804\t應該是智慧的那沒關係我在這邊提醒因為部長你沒有辦法肯定答案那我是想我是個人是覺得啦如果他還是固定秒數的話那是不是我們可以利用一些大數據的方式或是同時去了解高速公路上面的車流量以及高速公路底下路那個平面道路的車流量去有效的去做出最好的秒數控管好嗎報告委員這個都是智慧移控智慧移控它不會是固定秒數對我意思就是說\n643504\t662879\t所以我剛請教嘛 因為部長沒有辦法確定是或不是嘛那如果說 應該不是固定秒數 它是智慧引擎對 你不能跟我說應該啦那沒關係 所以我今天的講法就是說再麻煩您了解一下 如果它是固定秒數或者是如果它的那個控管的方式是它的控管的\n663499\t684188\t模式是比較早期的那是不是我們能夠再優化更現代化進步一點好嗎因為我們的同時控管可以包括高速公路上面以及平面道路的車流狀況好那另外我要請教一個問題啦就是有關慢速車控制的問題因為我其實這段時間我有行文去給一些相關的單位我想請教一下\n684568\t700758\t就是國道5號有沒有可能限速拉高當然他們給我回覆的都是蠻專業的說法他們認為說因為國道5號他是面臨一些環境比較敏感還有施工一些難度等等的問題所以他還有就是那個車速限制拉高對\n701978\t716611\t塞車的有效果的那個幫助其實沒有那麼大這個是他們專業給我的答覆沒關係我姑且相信信賴這個專業的判斷如果在沒有辦法調高限速的情況下\n718452\t732816\t有沒有可能做一些浮動的限速調整或者是能夠對於慢速車的加強管制因為我手上一個資料就是113年這個血稅入段總共發出19.4萬次慢速車的試警它佔總車流的1.78%但是實際開罰的只有605件今年4月甚至是0開罰\n745570\t757701\t到底這個原因是什麼部長您知道嗎報告委員他只要是慢速我們在血稅裡面其實會有廣播系統去通知他希望他能夠快速一點所以這個部分他如果有加速了大概就不會開罰\n758966\t779675\t那我再跟您說另外一個問題那我知道您的意思我再跟你說另外一個問題目前高速公路高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里但是警政署開發的標準是70公里因為這兩個單位都公家單位那民眾也搞不清楚所以這個部分是不是麻煩部長能夠協助去協調因為一個是屬於內政部\n782896\t802004\t可不可以去協調一下對於慢速車這個認定的標準是什麼我再重複一次就是高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里那警政署認定是70公里那如果兩個公家單位有不同的認定那本來在開罰上面或者是管制上面就會有一些比較麻煩的地方因為這是我去調研相關資料之後發現的\n803737\t822393\t我們剛剛說的你要拉高限速可能有一些技術上面的風險那這個我可以理解但是呢是不是我們至少要求在國道上面大家時速能夠維持一定的要求那這樣可以減少塞車的可能性部長你願不願意去做跟內政部去做一些協調\n823363\t840827\t如果需要溝通我們會來溝通但是我所理解的現在會開罰他都會有個容許值例如說我們最高限數在110但是開到120才會開罰開到120他才會測速照相才會照那可能是因為那個容許值的問題那委員你既然提到我就去\n841547\t865661\t好 這部分再麻煩部長 因為那個比例齁 我剛剛講的19.4萬次的慢速車市景 但是開罰只有605件那個差距是蠻大 那我們其實所作所為 我其實我就說我的理想啦 我們希望好好改善宜蘭的交通以及宜蘭對外的交通 我們希望讓宜蘭人能夠大家能夠提早15分鐘回家陪家人這是我們對於宜蘭的交通上面的想法那\n867182\t891975\t因為打這段時間我覺得國道5號擁栽其實這不是宜蘭人的錯啦但是卻變成宜蘭人的痛那因為這國道5號其實長期是宜蘭的命脈所以我希望說還能夠趕緊的把它加強因為院長在新村的時候也有說到要把宜蘭打造成一個科技跟觀光的雙廊道我相信說一定我們一起努力為這個事情去做 好嗎\n892635\t921756\t北極乙包括宜蘭是我們的首都圈黃金藍帶而且東部漫和城鄉我也希望把宜蘭放進去因為國道五號不是只有宜蘭它包括花東都有可能會運用到那最後幾秒鐘我跟院長報告一件事院長因為上次我跟院長報告說那個郭部長總是把我們經濟部給我們的數據當我們質詢他他又說我們數據哪裡來那在他家最近他有一些很奇怪的言論是不是麻煩院長能夠跟部長好好溝通一下 好不好\n922276\t923741\t我會跟他互相檢討鼓勵好謝謝吳宗憲委員\n","txt":"謝院長那我們請卓院長以及陳部長交通部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢卓院長那個陳部長你辛苦了午安部委員好兩位好\n那個院長我先跟你請教一下因為剛剛那個本來我問的問題然後剛好那個徐曉新委員也有提到就經濟學的那篇文章那因為剛剛院長有跟徐曉新委員回答說因為這文章您還沒看過所以說細節部分我就不多討論但是他所提到的三個變數的其中一個其實是有討論到台灣內部的問題\n他當然是提到就是說賴總統他的一些施政的方向其實讓我們內部其實產生一些分裂那這個部分呢還是回過頭到回到之前我跟院長有報告過兩次其實兩次我都有提到其實我們台灣需要的真的是大團結不是大罷免那全台灣2350萬人其實就算40%\n可能就一千萬人嘛那難道我們要用一千萬人跟另外一千多萬人就彼此就不是一家人嗎所以這是我一直希望說我們台灣應該走向團結只有團結我們才有力量一致對外好 那先謝謝院長好 那院長我想請教幾個問題那也順便先請教部長好了部長\n我其實之前有跟您諮詢過兩次就是有關月台啊火車月台設置這個柵欄的問題嘛那以前部長是跟我提到說因為火車它的門的位置設置不一樣所以那個月台門變成它設計上會有一些問題但是我最近看到那個高雄站設置的那個纜繩式的\n那那個就不會受到火車規格的影響嘛那我不知道說因為接下來我們還有三個特等站就是台北台中花蓮那還有28個一等站跟25個二等站那大概什麼時候可以設置完畢因為我跟部長報告一下這光四月份就四月上旬有一個人落軌死亡\n私冤下旬有一個人落軌然後被截肢那我想請教部長這個大概還要多久才能夠在全國各地設置完畢謝謝報告委員我們現在正在試辦的過程而已那這一組目前你所看到的這個大概明年的\n二三月份就會正式來上線來使用那目前我們先測試看一下因為如您剛剛所說的我之前向您報告過因為它的門每一個車車的門的位置不一樣所以只好用這一種纜繩式的這個柵門這個柵欄\n我們現在正在試辦 試辦完之後我們會先挑因為台鐵的車站實在是非常多現在試辦這一側就要1.5億當然試辦價格會比較高但實際在做就不會那麼貴的狀態不過我們還是會挑第一 安全比較有疑慮例如說人比較擁擠或者是那邊相對是事故的比例比較高的地方我們會優先來設置\n那陸續會來推動我想因為日本的新幹線它早就有這樣的設置那我覺得一路以來我還是蠻希望說這個月台安全是很重要的因為我以前當檢察官的時候我自己外勤就願意過被火車碾斃了其實那個對家族來說因為那個是支離破碎對家族來說是很大的打擊\n那我想說部長這個速度這個能加速趕快處理這個絕對是福國利民這個沒有任何的值得懷疑的地方再麻煩您加速當然1.5億這確實金額不低那當然在金額上面再麻煩部長也能多用心盡量讓這個我們國人繳的稅能夠用在該用的地方那接下來我再請教一下就是高鐵那個\n宜蘭的延伸案件我在禮拜三的時候有跟部長有討論過這個議題啦那我想說齁現在這個問題還是出在說目前雖然說鐵道局公布有79.6的那個居民希望說能夠趕快過當然啦他還是有一些不一樣的聲音所以這個溝通上面其實是非常重要就像上一次公聽會的時候我全程都有在場那我們去現刊的時候當時那個二龍村的村長那個林村長他到場\n他就還在那邊不高興說他完全沒有得到通知他是看到突然那一天來了很多警察他才知道要到那邊現刊然後現場就有非常多的抱怨所以我想說所以我才會在禮拜三的時候我請教部長說這個\n這個目前還是有很多疑義啦我們都希望這個交通建設能夠趕快完成但是還是有很多民眾有一些不一樣的聲音那我們只能透過多溝通然後的方式然後讓他們能夠安心嘛就像交西的那個\n那 呃\n之前那個環境部部長其實那個彭部長他其實也有提到就是說跟地方上面很多的衝突不應該由這個環評會來解決他其實是希望交通部這裡就要處理我不知道部長你有什麼想法在部長答覆之前跟我有報告因為這個事情牽涉到交通部還有環境部如果是環評的狀況\n所以我日前我有請工程會曾經的主委也要進行協調來統合這個部分我想經的主委他會了解很多的事情但是細節請交通部長好 謝謝院長部長好 報告委員這個溝通的部分不只是公聽會我們其實在法定上面的公聽會當然辦過三場那之後我們還有環評的會議但是我們的鐵道局平常時有需要溝通的時候我們隨時都可以到地方下去溝通甚至是說明\n我的意思是說不一定公聽會才是一種形式啦各種的說明方案其實我們也都陸續在進行那包含我們經德政委他其實也到地方溝通過非常多次那陳俊宇委員其實也協助我們在地方上做不一樣的溝通跟各個鄉鎮之間的溝通其實我們不斷在進行所以不是只有公聽會這種形式啦\n各種形式我們都在進行沒關係 那這個因為我們禮拜三的臨時動議的時候其實提案已經有提到了嘛那部長也有提到有關這個部分因為我自己是回過頭去想事情陳副主委說明一下沒關係 就是因為最近有一些狀況的發生其實都是源自於溝通不良\n包括我覺得最近有一些民生議題或者是一些反對的聲音出來其實都是就是有人會批評說政府傲慢或是不聽人民的聲音我想就是因為這個原因所以我才希望說交通部能夠跟地方能夠多溝通當然我也知道政委也很努力在撮合這件事這個我也是滿感謝政委的能夠為我們宜蘭人能夠做這麼大的努力\n我也知道大家都努力在這件事情上面但是拜託溝通上面一定要我們都要盡全力去處理那如果說本期這邊如果有需要的情況下我們也有可能會辦一些說明會那到時候可能在\n邀請看部長願不願意一起出席啦如果有必要的話那我再請教部長就是國道五號塞車的問題因為國道五號塞車這個已經講了十年了大家也煩十年了啦那這個國道五號塞車這個會影響到觀光客而且會影響到在地人的生活品質\n那我自己這樣常跑宜蘭包括我以前常來當立委之前也常帶家人去宜蘭玩那我們發現一個狀況就是我發現有兩個關卡這我個人的潛見覺得有兩個關卡第一個就是說你在平面上面在管制的時段內你平面上面要上高速公路的那個閘道儀控就會卡很久我們會在平面上面卡很久那平面上卡很久也會影響到宜蘭在地人的那個交通的順暢度\n那第二個就是在高速公路上面他在投誠交流道國道警察局前面還有一支紅燈那一支紅燈也常常讓後面國道5號上面南向那個北上就是由南往北那邊大塞車我想部長你一定知道這個狀況對吧\n那現在是這樣啦我想請教一下就是因為設置這個移道控管的這個其實他會不會變成是只是讓那個主線過雪隧過去看起來沒塞車可是其他地方就塞爆了呢會不會有這個東西 部長報告委員其實高速公路的這個移控閘道的管制其實是一個智慧化的管制啦那這個部分其實是很科學的他們有計算過\n你讓他全部上去塞其實整體在那個時間比如說五個小時好了能夠通過的車流是少的那如果讓上面不塞塞在下面五個小時之後整體的車流是多的那我們當然是希望更多車可以順利通過嘛所以這是一個很科學的一個技藝\n我想說我們就是點出問題啦當然我個人的個性也是會尊重專業但是專業就是我覺得要滾動式的一直不停的研究看有沒有更新的想法就像上面那一支紅綠燈的那個控管我想請教部長它是固定秒數還是浮動的秒數我想現在都有智慧移控不只是砸到跟地方政府的這個我是說那個高速公路上面那一支紅綠燈是固定秒數嗎\n應該是智慧的那沒關係我在這邊提醒因為部長你沒有辦法肯定答案那我是想我是個人是覺得啦如果他還是固定秒數的話那是不是我們可以利用一些大數據的方式或是同時去了解高速公路上面的車流量以及高速公路底下路那個平面道路的車流量去有效的去做出最好的秒數控管好嗎報告委員這個都是智慧移控智慧移控它不會是固定秒數對我意思就是說\n所以我剛請教嘛 因為部長沒有辦法確定是或不是嘛那如果說 應該不是固定秒數 它是智慧引擎對 你不能跟我說應該啦那沒關係 所以我今天的講法就是說再麻煩您了解一下 如果它是固定秒數或者是如果它的那個控管的方式是它的控管的\n模式是比較早期的那是不是我們能夠再優化更現代化進步一點好嗎因為我們的同時控管可以包括高速公路上面以及平面道路的車流狀況好那另外我要請教一個問題啦就是有關慢速車控制的問題因為我其實這段時間我有行文去給一些相關的單位我想請教一下\n就是國道5號有沒有可能限速拉高當然他們給我回覆的都是蠻專業的說法他們認為說因為國道5號他是面臨一些環境比較敏感還有施工一些難度等等的問題所以他還有就是那個車速限制拉高對\n塞車的有效果的那個幫助其實沒有那麼大這個是他們專業給我的答覆沒關係我姑且相信信賴這個專業的判斷如果在沒有辦法調高限速的情況下\n有沒有可能做一些浮動的限速調整或者是能夠對於慢速車的加強管制因為我手上一個資料就是113年這個血稅入段總共發出19.4萬次慢速車的試警它佔總車流的1.78%但是實際開罰的只有605件今年4月甚至是0開罰\n到底這個原因是什麼部長您知道嗎報告委員他只要是慢速我們在血稅裡面其實會有廣播系統去通知他希望他能夠快速一點所以這個部分他如果有加速了大概就不會開罰\n那我再跟您說另外一個問題那我知道您的意思我再跟你說另外一個問題目前高速公路高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里但是警政署開發的標準是70公里因為這兩個單位都公家單位那民眾也搞不清楚所以這個部分是不是麻煩部長能夠協助去協調因為一個是屬於內政部\n可不可以去協調一下對於慢速車這個認定的標準是什麼我再重複一次就是高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里那警政署認定是70公里那如果兩個公家單位有不同的認定那本來在開罰上面或者是管制上面就會有一些比較麻煩的地方因為這是我去調研相關資料之後發現的\n我們剛剛說的你要拉高限速可能有一些技術上面的風險那這個我可以理解但是呢是不是我們至少要求在國道上面大家時速能夠維持一定的要求那這樣可以減少塞車的可能性部長你願不願意去做跟內政部去做一些協調\n如果需要溝通我們會來溝通但是我所理解的現在會開罰他都會有個容許值例如說我們最高限數在110但是開到120才會開罰開到120他才會測速照相才會照那可能是因為那個容許值的問題那委員你既然提到我就去\n好 這部分再麻煩部長 因為那個比例齁 我剛剛講的19.4萬次的慢速車市景 但是開罰只有605件那個差距是蠻大 那我們其實所作所為 我其實我就說我的理想啦 我們希望好好改善宜蘭的交通以及宜蘭對外的交通 我們希望讓宜蘭人能夠大家能夠提早15分鐘回家陪家人這是我們對於宜蘭的交通上面的想法那\n因為打這段時間我覺得國道5號擁栽其實這不是宜蘭人的錯啦但是卻變成宜蘭人的痛那因為這國道5號其實長期是宜蘭的命脈所以我希望說還能夠趕緊的把它加強因為院長在新村的時候也有說到要把宜蘭打造成一個科技跟觀光的雙廊道我相信說一定我們一起努力為這個事情去做 好嗎\n北極乙包括宜蘭是我們的首都圈黃金藍帶而且東部漫和城鄉我也希望把宜蘭放進去因為國道五號不是只有宜蘭它包括花東都有可能會運用到那最後幾秒鐘我跟院長報告一件事院長因為上次我跟院長報告說那個郭部長總是把我們經濟部給我們的數據當我們質詢他他又說我們數據哪裡來那在他家最近他有一些很奇怪的言論是不是麻煩院長能夠跟部長好好溝通一下 好不好\n我會跟他互相檢討鼓勵好謝謝吳宗憲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.529 --> 00:23.611\n謝院長那我們請卓院長以及陳部長交通部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢卓院長那個陳部長你辛苦了午安部委員好兩位好\n\n00:25.911 --> 00:49.541\n那個院長我先跟你請教一下因為剛剛那個本來我問的問題然後剛好那個徐曉新委員也有提到就經濟學的那篇文章那因為剛剛院長有跟徐曉新委員回答說因為這文章您還沒看過所以說細節部分我就不多討論但是他所提到的三個變數的其中一個其實是有討論到台灣內部的問題\n\n00:52.242 --> 01:14.715\n他當然是提到就是說賴總統他的一些施政的方向其實讓我們內部其實產生一些分裂那這個部分呢還是回過頭到回到之前我跟院長有報告過兩次其實兩次我都有提到其實我們台灣需要的真的是大團結不是大罷免那全台灣2350萬人其實就算40%\n\n01:19.209 --> 01:37.904\n可能就一千萬人嘛那難道我們要用一千萬人跟另外一千多萬人就彼此就不是一家人嗎所以這是我一直希望說我們台灣應該走向團結只有團結我們才有力量一致對外好那先謝謝院長好那院長我想請教幾個問題那也順便先請教部長好了部長\n\n01:43.368 --> 02:03.266\n我其實之前有跟您諮詢過兩次就是有關月台啊火車月台設置這個柵欄的問題嘛那以前部長是跟我提到說因為火車它的門的位置設置不一樣所以那個月台門變成它設計上會有一些問題但是我最近看到那個高雄站設置的那個纜繩式的\n\n02:04.847 --> 02:26.273\n那那個就不會受到火車規格的影響嘛那我不知道說因為接下來我們還有三個特等站就是台北台中花蓮那還有28個一等站跟25個二等站那大概什麼時候可以設置完畢因為我跟部長報告一下這光四月份就四月上旬有一個人落軌死亡\n\n02:26.733 --> 02:42.931\n私冤下旬有一個人落軌然後被截肢那我想請教部長這個大概還要多久才能夠在全國各地設置完畢謝謝報告委員我們現在正在試辦的過程而已那這一組目前你所看到的這個大概明年的\n\n02:43.532 --> 02:56.348\n二三月份就會正式來上線來使用那目前我們先測試看一下因為如您剛剛所說的我之前向您報告過因為它的門每一個車車的門的位置不一樣所以只好用這一種纜繩式的這個柵門這個柵欄\n\n03:00.813 --> 03:24.943\n我們現在正在試辦試辦完之後我們會先挑因為台鐵的車站實在是非常多現在試辦這一側就要1.5億當然試辦價格會比較高但實際在做就不會那麼貴的狀態不過我們還是會挑第一安全比較有疑慮例如說人比較擁擠或者是那邊相對是事故的比例比較高的地方我們會優先來設置\n\n03:26.343 --> 03:45.141\n那陸續會來推動我想因為日本的新幹線它早就有這樣的設置那我覺得一路以來我還是蠻希望說這個月台安全是很重要的因為我以前當檢察官的時候我自己外勤就願意過被火車碾斃了其實那個對家族來說因為那個是支離破碎對家族來說是很大的打擊\n\n03:45.902 --> 04:08.342\n那我想說部長這個速度這個能加速趕快處理這個絕對是福國利民這個沒有任何的值得懷疑的地方再麻煩您加速當然1.5億這確實金額不低那當然在金額上面再麻煩部長也能多用心盡量讓這個我們國人繳的稅能夠用在該用的地方那接下來我再請教一下就是高鐵那個\n\n04:09.062 --> 04:37.187\n宜蘭的延伸案件我在禮拜三的時候有跟部長有討論過這個議題啦那我想說齁現在這個問題還是出在說目前雖然說鐵道局公布有79.6的那個居民希望說能夠趕快過當然啦他還是有一些不一樣的聲音所以這個溝通上面其實是非常重要就像上一次公聽會的時候我全程都有在場那我們去現刊的時候當時那個二龍村的村長那個林村長他到場\n\n04:37.867 --> 04:52.282\n他就還在那邊不高興說他完全沒有得到通知他是看到突然那一天來了很多警察他才知道要到那邊現刊然後現場就有非常多的抱怨所以我想說所以我才會在禮拜三的時候我請教部長說這個\n\n04:54.163 --> 05:10.169\n這個目前還是有很多疑義啦我們都希望這個交通建設能夠趕快完成但是還是有很多民眾有一些不一樣的聲音那我們只能透過多溝通然後的方式然後讓他們能夠安心嘛就像交西的那個\n\n05:11.229 --> 05:11.249\n那呃\n\n05:42.058 --> 05:59.931\n之前那個環境部部長其實那個彭部長他其實也有提到就是說跟地方上面很多的衝突不應該由這個環評會來解決他其實是希望交通部這裡就要處理我不知道部長你有什麼想法在部長答覆之前跟我有報告因為這個事情牽涉到交通部還有環境部如果是環評的狀況\n\n06:01.192 --> 06:29.693\n所以我日前我有請工程會曾經的主委也要進行協調來統合這個部分我想經的主委他會了解很多的事情但是細節請交通部長好謝謝院長部長好報告委員這個溝通的部分不只是公聽會我們其實在法定上面的公聽會當然辦過三場那之後我們還有環評的會議但是我們的鐵道局平常時有需要溝通的時候我們隨時都可以到地方下去溝通甚至是說明\n\n06:30.473 --> 06:52.495\n我的意思是說不一定公聽會才是一種形式啦各種的說明方案其實我們也都陸續在進行那包含我們經德政委他其實也到地方溝通過非常多次那陳俊宇委員其實也協助我們在地方上做不一樣的溝通跟各個鄉鎮之間的溝通其實我們不斷在進行所以不是只有公聽會這種形式啦\n\n06:53.095 --> 07:09.388\n各種形式我們都在進行沒關係那這個因為我們禮拜三的臨時動議的時候其實提案已經有提到了嘛那部長也有提到有關這個部分因為我自己是回過頭去想事情陳副主委說明一下沒關係就是因為最近有一些狀況的發生其實都是源自於溝通不良\n\n07:10.109 --> 07:34.251\n包括我覺得最近有一些民生議題或者是一些反對的聲音出來其實都是就是有人會批評說政府傲慢或是不聽人民的聲音我想就是因為這個原因所以我才希望說交通部能夠跟地方能夠多溝通當然我也知道政委也很努力在撮合這件事這個我也是滿感謝政委的能夠為我們宜蘭人能夠做這麼大的努力\n\n07:34.992 --> 07:51.131\n我也知道大家都努力在這件事情上面但是拜託溝通上面一定要我們都要盡全力去處理那如果說本期這邊如果有需要的情況下我們也有可能會辦一些說明會那到時候可能在\n\n07:51.755 --> 08:11.432\n邀請看部長願不願意一起出席啦如果有必要的話那我再請教部長就是國道五號塞車的問題因為國道五號塞車這個已經講了十年了大家也煩十年了啦那這個國道五號塞車這個會影響到觀光客而且會影響到在地人的生活品質\n\n08:12.389 --> 08:41.143\n那我自己這樣常跑宜蘭包括我以前常來當立委之前也常帶家人去宜蘭玩那我們發現一個狀況就是我發現有兩個關卡這我個人的潛見覺得有兩個關卡第一個就是說你在平面上面在管制的時段內你平面上面要上高速公路的那個閘道儀控就會卡很久我們會在平面上面卡很久那平面上卡很久也會影響到宜蘭在地人的那個交通的順暢度\n\n08:41.983 --> 08:59.415\n那第二個就是在高速公路上面他在投誠交流道國道警察局前面還有一支紅燈那一支紅燈也常常讓後面國道5號上面南向那個北上就是由南往北那邊大塞車我想部長你一定知道這個狀況對吧\n\n09:00.996 --> 09:26.787\n那現在是這樣啦我想請教一下就是因為設置這個移道控管的這個其實他會不會變成是只是讓那個主線過雪隧過去看起來沒塞車可是其他地方就塞爆了呢會不會有這個東西部長報告委員其實高速公路的這個移控閘道的管制其實是一個智慧化的管制啦那這個部分其實是很科學的他們有計算過\n\n09:27.507 --> 09:45.579\n你讓他全部上去塞其實整體在那個時間比如說五個小時好了能夠通過的車流是少的那如果讓上面不塞塞在下面五個小時之後整體的車流是多的那我們當然是希望更多車可以順利通過嘛所以這是一個很科學的一個技藝\n\n09:45.979 --> 10:12.292\n我想說我們就是點出問題啦當然我個人的個性也是會尊重專業但是專業就是我覺得要滾動式的一直不停的研究看有沒有更新的想法就像上面那一支紅綠燈的那個控管我想請教部長它是固定秒數還是浮動的秒數我想現在都有智慧移控不只是砸到跟地方政府的這個我是說那個高速公路上面那一支紅綠燈是固定秒數嗎\n\n10:14.215 --> 10:42.804\n應該是智慧的那沒關係我在這邊提醒因為部長你沒有辦法肯定答案那我是想我是個人是覺得啦如果他還是固定秒數的話那是不是我們可以利用一些大數據的方式或是同時去了解高速公路上面的車流量以及高速公路底下路那個平面道路的車流量去有效的去做出最好的秒數控管好嗎報告委員這個都是智慧移控智慧移控它不會是固定秒數對我意思就是說\n\n10:43.504 --> 11:02.879\n所以我剛請教嘛因為部長沒有辦法確定是或不是嘛那如果說應該不是固定秒數它是智慧引擎對你不能跟我說應該啦那沒關係所以我今天的講法就是說再麻煩您了解一下如果它是固定秒數或者是如果它的那個控管的方式是它的控管的\n\n11:03.499 --> 11:24.188\n模式是比較早期的那是不是我們能夠再優化更現代化進步一點好嗎因為我們的同時控管可以包括高速公路上面以及平面道路的車流狀況好那另外我要請教一個問題啦就是有關慢速車控制的問題因為我其實這段時間我有行文去給一些相關的單位我想請教一下\n\n11:24.568 --> 11:40.758\n就是國道5號有沒有可能限速拉高當然他們給我回覆的都是蠻專業的說法他們認為說因為國道5號他是面臨一些環境比較敏感還有施工一些難度等等的問題所以他還有就是那個車速限制拉高對\n\n11:41.978 --> 11:56.611\n塞車的有效果的那個幫助其實沒有那麼大這個是他們專業給我的答覆沒關係我姑且相信信賴這個專業的判斷如果在沒有辦法調高限速的情況下\n\n11:58.452 --> 12:12.816\n有沒有可能做一些浮動的限速調整或者是能夠對於慢速車的加強管制因為我手上一個資料就是113年這個血稅入段總共發出19.4萬次慢速車的試警它佔總車流的1.78%但是實際開罰的只有605件今年4月甚至是0開罰\n\n12:25.570 --> 12:37.701\n到底這個原因是什麼部長您知道嗎報告委員他只要是慢速我們在血稅裡面其實會有廣播系統去通知他希望他能夠快速一點所以這個部分他如果有加速了大概就不會開罰\n\n12:38.966 --> 12:59.675\n那我再跟您說另外一個問題那我知道您的意思我再跟你說另外一個問題目前高速公路高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里但是警政署開發的標準是70公里因為這兩個單位都公家單位那民眾也搞不清楚所以這個部分是不是麻煩部長能夠協助去協調因為一個是屬於內政部\n\n13:02.896 --> 13:22.004\n可不可以去協調一下對於慢速車這個認定的標準是什麼我再重複一次就是高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里那警政署認定是70公里那如果兩個公家單位有不同的認定那本來在開罰上面或者是管制上面就會有一些比較麻煩的地方因為這是我去調研相關資料之後發現的\n\n13:23.737 --> 13:42.393\n我們剛剛說的你要拉高限速可能有一些技術上面的風險那這個我可以理解但是呢是不是我們至少要求在國道上面大家時速能夠維持一定的要求那這樣可以減少塞車的可能性部長你願不願意去做跟內政部去做一些協調\n\n13:43.363 --> 14:00.827\n如果需要溝通我們會來溝通但是我所理解的現在會開罰他都會有個容許值例如說我們最高限數在110但是開到120才會開罰開到120他才會測速照相才會照那可能是因為那個容許值的問題那委員你既然提到我就去\n\n14:01.547 --> 14:25.661\n好這部分再麻煩部長因為那個比例齁我剛剛講的19.4萬次的慢速車市景但是開罰只有605件那個差距是蠻大那我們其實所作所為我其實我就說我的理想啦我們希望好好改善宜蘭的交通以及宜蘭對外的交通我們希望讓宜蘭人能夠大家能夠提早15分鐘回家陪家人這是我們對於宜蘭的交通上面的想法那\n\n14:27.182 --> 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部長報告委員其實高速公路的這個移控閘道的管制其實是一個智慧化的管制啦那這個部分其實是很科學的他們有計算過"},{"start":567.507,"end":585.579,"text":"你讓他全部上去塞其實整體在那個時間比如說五個小時好了能夠通過的車流是少的那如果讓上面不塞塞在下面五個小時之後整體的車流是多的那我們當然是希望更多車可以順利通過嘛所以這是一個很科學的一個技藝"},{"start":585.979,"end":612.292,"text":"我想說我們就是點出問題啦當然我個人的個性也是會尊重專業但是專業就是我覺得要滾動式的一直不停的研究看有沒有更新的想法就像上面那一支紅綠燈的那個控管我想請教部長它是固定秒數還是浮動的秒數我想現在都有智慧移控不只是砸到跟地方政府的這個我是說那個高速公路上面那一支紅綠燈是固定秒數嗎"},{"start":614.215,"end":642.804,"text":"應該是智慧的那沒關係我在這邊提醒因為部長你沒有辦法肯定答案那我是想我是個人是覺得啦如果他還是固定秒數的話那是不是我們可以利用一些大數據的方式或是同時去了解高速公路上面的車流量以及高速公路底下路那個平面道路的車流量去有效的去做出最好的秒數控管好嗎報告委員這個都是智慧移控智慧移控它不會是固定秒數對我意思就是說"},{"start":643.504,"end":662.879,"text":"所以我剛請教嘛 因為部長沒有辦法確定是或不是嘛那如果說 應該不是固定秒數 它是智慧引擎對 你不能跟我說應該啦那沒關係 所以我今天的講法就是說再麻煩您了解一下 如果它是固定秒數或者是如果它的那個控管的方式是它的控管的"},{"start":663.499,"end":684.188,"text":"模式是比較早期的那是不是我們能夠再優化更現代化進步一點好嗎因為我們的同時控管可以包括高速公路上面以及平面道路的車流狀況好那另外我要請教一個問題啦就是有關慢速車控制的問題因為我其實這段時間我有行文去給一些相關的單位我想請教一下"},{"start":684.568,"end":700.758,"text":"就是國道5號有沒有可能限速拉高當然他們給我回覆的都是蠻專業的說法他們認為說因為國道5號他是面臨一些環境比較敏感還有施工一些難度等等的問題所以他還有就是那個車速限制拉高對"},{"start":701.978,"end":716.611,"text":"塞車的有效果的那個幫助其實沒有那麼大這個是他們專業給我的答覆沒關係我姑且相信信賴這個專業的判斷如果在沒有辦法調高限速的情況下"},{"start":718.452,"end":732.816,"text":"有沒有可能做一些浮動的限速調整或者是能夠對於慢速車的加強管制因為我手上一個資料就是113年這個血稅入段總共發出19.4萬次慢速車的試警它佔總車流的1.78%但是實際開罰的只有605件今年4月甚至是0開罰"},{"start":745.57,"end":757.701,"text":"到底這個原因是什麼部長您知道嗎報告委員他只要是慢速我們在血稅裡面其實會有廣播系統去通知他希望他能夠快速一點所以這個部分他如果有加速了大概就不會開罰"},{"start":758.966,"end":779.675,"text":"那我再跟您說另外一個問題那我知道您的意思我再跟你說另外一個問題目前高速公路高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里但是警政署開發的標準是70公里因為這兩個單位都公家單位那民眾也搞不清楚所以這個部分是不是麻煩部長能夠協助去協調因為一個是屬於內政部"},{"start":782.896,"end":802.004,"text":"可不可以去協調一下對於慢速車這個認定的標準是什麼我再重複一次就是高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里那警政署認定是70公里那如果兩個公家單位有不同的認定那本來在開罰上面或者是管制上面就會有一些比較麻煩的地方因為這是我去調研相關資料之後發現的"},{"start":803.737,"end":822.393,"text":"我們剛剛說的你要拉高限速可能有一些技術上面的風險那這個我可以理解但是呢是不是我們至少要求在國道上面大家時速能夠維持一定的要求那這樣可以減少塞車的可能性部長你願不願意去做跟內政部去做一些協調"},{"start":823.363,"end":840.827,"text":"如果需要溝通我們會來溝通但是我所理解的現在會開罰他都會有個容許值例如說我們最高限數在110但是開到120才會開罰開到120他才會測速照相才會照那可能是因為那個容許值的問題那委員你既然提到我就去"},{"start":841.547,"end":865.661,"text":"好 這部分再麻煩部長 因為那個比例齁 我剛剛講的19.4萬次的慢速車市景 但是開罰只有605件那個差距是蠻大 那我們其實所作所為 我其實我就說我的理想啦 我們希望好好改善宜蘭的交通以及宜蘭對外的交通 我們希望讓宜蘭人能夠大家能夠提早15分鐘回家陪家人這是我們對於宜蘭的交通上面的想法那"},{"start":867.182,"end":891.975,"text":"因為打這段時間我覺得國道5號擁栽其實這不是宜蘭人的錯啦但是卻變成宜蘭人的痛那因為這國道5號其實長期是宜蘭的命脈所以我希望說還能夠趕緊的把它加強因為院長在新村的時候也有說到要把宜蘭打造成一個科技跟觀光的雙廊道我相信說一定我們一起努力為這個事情去做 好嗎"},{"start":892.635,"end":921.756,"text":"北極乙包括宜蘭是我們的首都圈黃金藍帶而且東部漫和城鄉我也希望把宜蘭放進去因為國道五號不是只有宜蘭它包括花東都有可能會運用到那最後幾秒鐘我跟院長報告一件事院長因為上次我跟院長報告說那個郭部長總是把我們經濟部給我們的數據當我們質詢他他又說我們數據哪裡來那在他家最近他有一些很奇怪的言論是不是麻煩院長能夠跟部長好好溝通一下 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委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、交通部長備詢，謝謝。","接下來我們請陳瑩委員質詢，邱若華委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":116,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-10","speakers":["韓國瑜","林思銘","蘇巧慧","林俊憲","王義川","蔡易餘","吳秉叡","許智傑","徐富癸","翁曉玲","王定宇","吳琪銘","黃秀芳","吳沛憶","陳素月","楊曜","羅明才","徐巧芯","吳宗憲","陳瑩","邱若華"],"page_start":47,"meetingDate":["2025-05-02"],"gazette_id":"1144201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144201_00002","1144201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第10次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1144201_00003"}}}