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00:01:46,179\n我們現在看到,院長,我們桃園是一座持續發展的新興城市,人口逐年上升,以本席所服務的八德區為例,因為土地重劃,也帶動住宅用地的增加。我們看到人口隨之上升,從一百零五年的十八萬七千多人成長至一一四年三月的二十一萬五千四百多人,\n\n6\n00:01:46,579 --> 00:01:58,486\n那十年間我們看到就增加了兩萬七千六百五十人而且未來還有持續成長的趨勢那院長請問您知道我國所謂的八大行庫是指哪八家銀行\n\n7\n00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:23,230\n就是財政部所屬的八大行庫包括義營、台營、土營很多八大行庫沒錯這八大有台營院長您說的土地銀行還有義營兆豐、華南、彰化合作金庫以及台灣企營本席要再次向院長反映目前八大行庫中除了台灣銀行之外其餘七家都已經在巴德區設立了分行\n\n8\n00:02:24,891 --> 00:02:49,443\n也有很多巴德區的民眾不斷的向本席反映希望台銀能夠在巴德設立分行那向院長報告那本席也多次的跟台銀來進行協調嘛那因為台銀他受限於法規的關係要新設立分行確實有不少難度那在今年二月本席跟台銀我們討論出一個折衷的方案就是由台銀他們自行找尋地點在兩個\n\n9\n00:02:51,864 --> 00:03:11,755\n也向院長報告台穎已經在四月底跟巴德國民運動中心來達成協議預計五月就可以完成設置ATM本席在此也非常感謝台穎給予的協助感謝他們回應民眾的需求不過本席要強調的是設置ATM只是一個階段性只是一個折中的做法\n\n10\n00:03:12,975 --> 00:03:38,571\n本席還是希望能夠回應民眾的需求畢竟ATM它不能取代分行所能提供的完整的金融服務那麼本席剛剛有提到八大工股行庫中唯獨台銀沒有辦法設點那是因為金融機構國內分支機構管理辦法裡面在民國96年前它的規範相對寬鬆所以這法規它逐步趨延在\n\n11\n00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:58,473\n銀行新設分行的難度也相對的提高了嘛那又因為台銀跟一般的商業銀行不同他必須配合政府許多重大政策像是發行生肖紀念套幣所以在這個國內分支機構的管理辦法裡面呢他的第三條第二項第十款的規定那造成要新設立\n\n12\n00:03:59,659 --> 00:04:19,320\n分行的困難是極高的所以本席想要請卓院長協助與金管會演繹針對公股銀行看能不能適度地來放寬它的標準新設分行的標準讓台銀也能在巴德設立分行真正地回應民眾的期待以及需求院長您願意來促成嗎\n\n13\n00:04:20,317 --> 00:04:33,944\n謝謝委員的建議桃園是一個快速人口成長的地區而且是相當多的年輕人這是一個桃園市的一個特色那我們現在對金融除了對希望金融單位各個行庫公民營的行庫\n\n14\n00:04:35,355 --> 00:04:59,555\n做金融的創新之外另外有一點非常重要是普惠金融普惠金融另外意思也就是要普惠大眾所以我希望財政部台銀能夠重新的去思考不是站在競爭的角度而是站在服務的角度是不是能夠在適當的地區要普設他的分堂單位這樣才能夠在普惠大眾普惠照顧的情況底下去做更多的金融創新跟服務\n\n15\n00:05:00,194 --> 00:05:25,094\n尤其本席上次也提到賴清真總統他也實現了他的政見嘛現在正在推動桃園桃竹苗大矽谷計畫也啟動了嘛那我們希望不管是交通金融那尤其在金融然後還是文化教育醫療方面都可以全部來到位所以本席請院長在金管會進行研議好我會請財政部台銀都來研議這個議題OK謝謝院長那接下來我們看到交通的議題麻煩請交通部長\n\n16\n00:05:32,748 --> 00:05:52,263\n那本席也要先請問院長那中央政府針對新增的公共工程還有計劃的預算編列是不是要經過行政院核定之後才能夠編列預算的新增的公共工程預算原則是這樣子沒有錯嘛那也就是說原本沒有核定的計劃就算現在核定了他也不會壓縮到今年的預算院長對嗎\n\n17\n00:05:53,953 --> 00:06:14,108\n今年我們會想盡辦法來做最少的衝擊但未來如果牽扯到財政收支劃分法的話那我們必須要做重新的思考要嘛地方政府多做一些承擔分擔要嘛就是時間要拉很長我倒不希望時間拉長我希望中央地方可以拉長那院長我們來看捷運三一線延伸巴德一案\n\n18\n00:06:15,772 --> 00:06:26,077\n本席在去年的10月18日交通組質詢中就有要求行政院來計數核定本案院長您當時也承諾會盡快的來了解請問院長您知道距離本席上次質詢至今過了幾天嗎\n\n19\n00:06:28,103 --> 00:06:54,213\n天數沒有辦法計算但是過程是不是部長了解清楚已經過了197天了那本席也直接跟院長說那從交通部去年9月20日呈報行政院至今過了225天院長您知道目前三一線延伸巴的案子目前核定了嗎報告委員目前行政院還在審核當中還沒有核定是還在審核當中那院長我們來請看投影片\n\n20\n00:06:56,409 --> 00:07:10,448\n本席在一四預算審查時向行政院提出了加快核定三陰線延伸八德的主決議當時行政院與本席做溝通行政院給予本席兩個回覆主要為下列兩點我們來看到第一點\n\n21\n00:07:11,189 --> 00:07:36,591\n是近年桃園周邊有許多捷運的建設的計畫怕通過本案會互相排擠到其他捷運建設的所需要的經費那第二點是針對LB12ALB13站它進出人口以及運量不足的問題要求交通部督導地方政府針對這兩站來進行評估那院長請教您一個問題您知道目前山陰縣它的主體工程進度到哪裡了嗎\n\n22\n00:07:37,626 --> 00:08:04,801\n首先剛剛委員所說的那個理由應該是國發會在審議的時候所提出的相關的意見也是反映地方上的意見是不是部長說明一下我們三一線目前的主體工程進度到哪裡了它已經在試運轉是沒錯那這邊也向院長報告它目前的進度已經達82.87%並已經開始無人駕駛動態測試那按照今年的規劃它預計今年年底就可以完工明年\n\n23\n00:08:06,422 --> 00:08:28,753\n那在今年4月21日的時候新北市長侯友宜也帶著多位的市議員還有里長共同視察並且親自試乘列車代表地方市政府以及民意都非常的重視這條捷運的進度那再請教院長一個問題一項公共建設在綜合規劃之後他還需要經過哪一些流程建設計畫\n\n24\n00:08:30,219 --> 00:08:53,676\n建設計畫他通常還要經過細部細部設計發包施工動工才能完工嘛那代表合定之後還需要一段時間他才有機會進行公開招標進而動工那三一線他在這個綜合規劃合定之後經過了415天才開始動工那院長您知道我們桃園目前有幾條通過合定的捷運尚未動工嗎\n\n25\n00:08:56,543 --> 00:09:23,481\n其實蠻多的其實蠻多的就兩條因為現在捷運正在新建中嘛主要是捷運中線然後還有捷運綠線延伸到中壢還沒有動工那目前正在新建中的是捷運綠線然後還有基捷延伸到中壢那我們接著看就本席了解目前高雄捷運有兩項計畫正在新建中一項呢正在規劃中那高雄捷運它新建中跟規劃中的總經費我們看到\n\n26\n00:09:24,201 --> 00:09:47,319\n修正前金額是2278.37億元相較於桃園捷運系統的總經費1973.1億元高出了305.27億那在高雄的這些捷運計畫中呢中央負擔的比例是高於地方政府的那桃園剛好相反地方負擔的比例反而是比較高的本席以高雄的捷運來想\n\n27\n00:09:48,840 --> 00:10:14,354\n院長說明就是要向院長證明捷運三一線延伸巴德案它並不會排擠到其他的捷運工程那本席也詢問過桃園市政府會不會有排擠的可能那本席得到的答覆是不會有排擠的作用所以地方政府都已經明確的表態了可是在行政院院長卻還行政院卻還遲遲的不肯核定那再來我們還是要看到這條三一線的路線\n\n28\n00:10:15,575 --> 00:10:44,524\n它的起點設在LB12站沿線新增LB12A還有LB13站它兩座高架車站它的終點是與捷運綠線均嶺市採共購的方式設置LB14地下車站全長約4.3公里喔院長對於這個路線的規劃設置LB12A還有LB13站您是採什麼樣的態度和立場呢這個就是剛剛委員所說的國發會提出的這12A跟13這兩個站那您現在看到這個路線您是支持還是態度是有所保留的\n\n29\n00:10:45,979 --> 00:11:05,971\n對不起,我沒有辦法照這個圖來,我希望交通部能夠跟地方...沒關係,本席也藉這個機會讓院長您來了解嘛行政院國發會的答覆,那時候行政院給予本席的答覆是因為人口和運量的問題啊,必須要同時移除這兩站如果同時移除這兩站,院長您這樣看,部長您這樣看會有什麼樣的問題\n\n30\n00:11:07,318 --> 00:11:35,634\n報告委員這個其實是一個專業的判斷啦那當然車站跟車站之間的距離盡量不要太遠那是所有的捷運系統或輕軌系統的要求那這樣看起來是距離有稍微遠一點這邊部長本席也請教過您嘛那時候本席有問到你知道北捷目前站距之間站與站距離最長的是哪裡嗎是阪南線的龍山市站到江子翠站全長大概是三點\n\n31\n00:11:36,935 --> 00:11:56,174\n因為他過河因為他是屬於特殊地形的關係他必須穿越新店西河床他屬於他不是一般的市區常態那麼院長我們再來看簡報如果三陰線延伸八德段取消LB12ALB13這兩站您估計你這樣看他的站聚會是多長呢這樣看不出來\n\n32\n00:11:58,772 --> 00:12:17,577\n也看不出來沒關係它的站距是4.3公里很明顯的已經超出了北捷線有最長的3.97公里那院長我們要想到如果列車未來行駛在這麼長的距離內它沒有中途站一旦發生災害或是其他緊急狀況是否會增加乘客疏散的困難以及救援的困難\n\n33\n00:12:19,545 --> 00:12:33,361\n這個我希望將由這個專業的交通來做評估啦是漲占過遠或是有任何這個將來這本書也要舉例2014年北捷發生了令全國震驚的捷運殺人案\n\n34\n00:12:35,662 --> 00:13:01,568\n捷運殺人事件鄭捷案當時該案就是發生在龍山市道江子翠站這一段的距離經警方調查他刻意選在這一段區間來犯案就是因為佔據太長所以車廂內他難以及時應變以及疏散人潮嘛導致了重大的傷亡事故所以這段血淚的教訓告訴我們啊過長的佔據不只是交通便利系的問題他也可能會攸關到乘客的性命安全啊院長您認同嗎\n\n35\n00:13:03,342 --> 00:13:30,254\n是但是這還是我建議啦我們交通專業來評估但是委員所說的這些我們請部長在適當的時間要把它納到評估的過程裡面大家來討論我們要來做評估那我們本期也希望為了能夠有效因應各種突發事件所以三陰線延伸到八德段LB12到LB14它中間必須要設立站點如果LB12A跟LB13站拿掉的話它不只是佔據過長\n\n36\n00:13:31,454 --> 00:13:59,380\n它同時也會造成捷運的可及性大幅向低民眾上下車的便利性變差自然也會達成到達成意願一旦達成意願降低那北北桃的鐵公路運輸系統它的經濟效益也會大打折扣那我們要想到如果拿掉這兩站到時候我們又要重新LB重新評估LB14這個站體它是否能夠負荷這麼大的轉成人潮這都是除站體會帶來的連鎖效應所以不是單純拿掉兩個車站那麼簡單\n\n37\n00:14:01,448 --> 00:14:17,536\n那院長本身要提醒你慈愛已經卡在行政院225天了您的態度是今天聽委員這樣的建議我覺得內容上面有相當參考的價值那我會請交通部請國發會來考量這個事情儘速的來做一個定案後來延長一年到今年的6月19日如果後過期限一到\n\n38\n00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:47,984\n後過期限一到車輛耗製還有相關設備又必須被迫重新溢價那單價勢必會提高無疑是加重地方政府的財政負擔那院長您願意在6月19號之前來核定本案嗎報告委員我在這個會期我們會有一個答案跟委員報告能不能夠在6月19號之前核定呢在這個後過期限屆滿之前核定\n\n39\n00:14:48,926 --> 00:15:04,585\n我們在這個會期會跟委員報告所以6月19日之前應該是可以有答案是部長那本席也要提醒您當初蘇貞昌院長只花了15天就核定蘇校委會委員爭取的台鐵鳳鳴站那現在本席看到您花了225天\n\n40\n00:15:06,019 --> 00:15:26,100\n還沒有核定本案我們加速加速把它補上來好那期待院長您能在6月19號後過期限不要影響到工程的經費以及工程的進度是院長您能承諾嗎可以可以我們這個會期結束之前跟委員做一個合理的說明跟溝通這個案子如果能夠可以緊速的把它定下來好謝謝院長好謝謝邱樂華委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8549\t13312\t好謝謝主席主席有請行政院卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n22336\t45488\t市委員好院長好院長本期看了您的經歷您是在民國76年的時候投入政壇當時擔任時任台北市議員謝長廷的議會助理後來也擔任過民進黨主席政務委員行政院秘書長也做過市議員立法委員等重要職務所以本期想請教院長您當初是基於什麼樣的理念決定投入政治這條路\n46803\t64572\t因為大學念了法律之後我覺得國家的法律應該朝向一個更正常化的尤其那個時候是在戒嚴時期讓國家能夠更正常化脫離這種戒嚴體制是當時很多年輕人的想法所以我就投入那樣的工作\n65014\t84105\tOK 好 謝謝院長的分享本席認為當民意代表最重要的事就是反映鄉親的需求為地方爭取建設改善國人的生活品質並且進而讓國家變得更好本席今天依舊要向院長提出我們地方的需求雖然跟交通沒有直接的關係還是希望能夠得到院長的支持與協助\n85206\t106179\t我們現在看到,院長,我們桃園是一座持續發展的新興城市,人口逐年上升,以本席所服務的八德區為例,因為土地重劃,也帶動住宅用地的增加。我們看到人口隨之上升,從一百零五年的十八萬七千多人成長至一一四年三月的二十一萬五千四百多人,\n106579\t118486\t那十年間我們看到就增加了兩萬七千六百五十人而且未來還有持續成長的趨勢那院長請問您知道我國所謂的八大行庫是指哪八家銀行\n119600\t143230\t就是財政部所屬的八大行庫包括義營、台營、土營 很多八大行庫沒錯 這八大有台營 院長您說的土地銀行還有義營 兆豐、華南、彰化合作金庫以及台灣企營本席要再次向院長反映目前八大行庫中除了台灣銀行之外其餘七家都已經在巴德區設立了分行\n144891\t169443\t也有很多巴德區的民眾不斷的向本席反映希望台銀能夠在巴德設立分行那向院長報告那本席也多次的跟台銀來進行協調嘛那因為台銀他受限於法規的關係要新設立分行確實有不少難度那在今年二月本席跟台銀我們討論出一個折衷的方案就是由台銀他們自行找尋地點在兩個\n171864\t191755\t也向院長報告台穎已經在四月底跟巴德國民運動中心來達成協議預計五月就可以完成設置ATM本席在此也非常感謝台穎給予的協助感謝他們回應民眾的需求不過本席要強調的是設置ATM只是一個階段性只是一個折中的做法\n192975\t218571\t本席還是希望能夠回應民眾的需求畢竟ATM它不能取代分行所能提供的完整的金融服務那麼本席剛剛有提到八大工股行庫中唯獨台銀沒有辦法設點那是因為金融機構國內分支機構管理辦法裡面在民國96年前它的規範相對寬鬆所以這法規它逐步趨延在\n220120\t238473\t銀行新設分行的難度也相對的提高了嘛那又因為台銀跟一般的商業銀行不同他必須配合政府許多重大政策像是發行生肖紀念套幣所以在這個國內分支機構的管理辦法裡面呢他的第三條第二項第十款的規定那造成要新設立\n239659\t259320\t分行的困難是極高的所以本席想要請卓院長協助與金管會演繹針對公股銀行看能不能適度地來放寬它的標準新設分行的標準讓台銀也能在巴德設立分行真正地回應民眾的期待以及需求院長您願意來促成嗎\n260317\t273944\t謝謝委員的建議桃園是一個快速人口成長的地區而且是相當多的年輕人這是一個桃園市的一個特色那我們現在對金融除了對希望金融單位各個行庫公民營的行庫\n275355\t299555\t做金融的創新之外另外有一點非常重要是普惠金融普惠金融另外意思也就是要普惠大眾所以我希望財政部台銀能夠重新的去思考不是站在競爭的角度而是站在服務的角度是不是能夠在適當的地區要普設他的分堂單位這樣才能夠在普惠大眾普惠照顧的情況底下去做更多的金融創新跟服務\n300194\t325094\t尤其本席上次也提到賴清真總統他也實現了他的政見嘛現在正在推動桃園桃竹苗大矽谷計畫也啟動了嘛那我們希望不管是交通金融那尤其在金融然後還是文化教育醫療方面都可以全部來到位所以本席請院長在金管會進行研議好我會請財政部台銀都來研議這個議題OK謝謝院長那接下來我們看到交通的議題麻煩請交通部長\n332748\t352263\t那本席也要先請問院長那中央政府針對新增的公共工程還有計劃的預算編列是不是要經過行政院核定之後才能夠編列預算的新增的公共工程預算原則是這樣子沒有錯嘛那也就是說原本沒有核定的計劃就算現在核定了他也不會壓縮到今年的預算院長對嗎\n353953\t374108\t今年我們會想盡辦法來做最少的衝擊但未來如果牽扯到財政收支劃分法的話那我們必須要做重新的思考要嘛地方政府多做一些承擔 分擔要嘛就是時間要拉很長我倒不希望時間拉長我希望中央地方可以拉長那院長我們來看捷運三一線延伸巴德一案\n375772\t386077\t本席在去年的10月18日交通組質詢中就有要求行政院來計數核定本案院長您當時也承諾會盡快的來了解請問院長您知道距離本席上次質詢至今過了幾天嗎\n388103\t414213\t天數沒有辦法計算但是過程是不是部長了解清楚已經過了197天了那本席也直接跟院長說那從交通部去年9月20日呈報行政院至今過了225天院長您知道目前三一線延伸巴的案子目前核定了嗎報告委員目前行政院還在審核當中還沒有核定是還在審核當中那院長我們來請看投影片\n416409\t430448\t本席在一四預算審查時向行政院提出了加快核定三陰線延伸八德的主決議當時行政院與本席做溝通行政院給予本席兩個回覆主要為下列兩點我們來看到第一點\n431189\t456591\t是近年桃園周邊有許多捷運的建設的計畫怕通過本案會互相排擠到其他捷運建設的所需要的經費那第二點是針對LB12A LB13站它進出人口以及運量不足的問題要求交通部督導地方政府針對這兩站來進行評估那院長請教您一個問題您知道目前山陰縣它的主體工程進度到哪裡了嗎\n457626\t484801\t首先剛剛委員所說的那個理由應該是國發會在審議的時候所提出的相關的意見也是反映地方上的意見是不是部長說明一下我們三一線目前的主體工程進度到哪裡了它已經在試運轉是沒錯那這邊也向院長報告它目前的進度已經達82.87%並已經開始無人駕駛動態測試那按照今年的規劃它預計今年年底就可以完工明年\n486422\t508753\t那在今年4月21日的時候新北市長侯友宜也帶著多位的市議員還有里長共同視察並且親自試乘列車代表地方市政府以及民意都非常的重視這條捷運的進度那再請教院長一個問題一項公共建設在綜合規劃之後他還需要經過哪一些流程建設計畫\n510219\t533676\t建設計畫他通常還要經過細部細部設計發包施工動工才能完工嘛那代表合定之後還需要一段時間他才有機會進行公開招標進而動工那三一線他在這個綜合規劃合定之後經過了415天才開始動工那院長您知道我們桃園目前有幾條通過合定的捷運尚未動工嗎\n536543\t563481\t其實蠻多的其實蠻多的就兩條因為現在捷運正在新建中嘛主要是捷運中線然後還有捷運綠線延伸到中壢還沒有動工那目前正在新建中的是捷運綠線然後還有基捷延伸到中壢那我們接著看就本席了解目前高雄捷運有兩項計畫正在新建中一項呢正在規劃中那高雄捷運它新建中跟規劃中的總經費我們看到\n564201\t587319\t修正前金額是2278.37億元相較於桃園捷運系統的總經費1973.1億元高出了305.27億那在高雄的這些捷運計畫中呢中央負擔的比例是高於地方政府的那桃園剛好相反地方負擔的比例反而是比較高的本席以高雄的捷運來想\n588840\t614354\t院長說明就是要向院長證明捷運三一線延伸巴德案它並不會排擠到其他的捷運工程那本席也詢問過桃園市政府會不會有排擠的可能那本席得到的答覆是不會有排擠的作用所以地方政府都已經明確的表態了可是在行政院院長卻還行政院卻還遲遲的不肯核定那再來我們還是要看到這條三一線的路線\n615575\t644524\t它的起點設在LB12站沿線新增LB12A還有LB13站它兩座高架車站它的終點是與捷運綠線均嶺市採共購的方式設置LB14地下車站全長約4.3公里喔院長對於這個路線的規劃設置LB12A還有LB13站您是採什麼樣的態度和立場呢這個就是剛剛委員所說的國發會提出的這12A跟13這兩個站那您現在看到這個路線您是支持還是態度是有所保留的\n645979\t665971\t對不起,我沒有辦法照這個圖來,我希望交通部能夠跟地方...沒關係,本席也藉這個機會讓院長您來了解嘛行政院國發會的答覆,那時候行政院給予本席的答覆是因為人口和運量的問題啊,必須要同時移除這兩站如果同時移除這兩站,院長您這樣看,部長您這樣看會有什麼樣的問題\n667318\t695634\t報告委員這個其實是一個專業的判斷啦那當然車站跟車站之間的距離盡量不要太遠那是所有的捷運系統或輕軌系統的要求那這樣看起來是距離有稍微遠一點這邊部長本席也請教過您嘛那時候本席有問到你知道北捷目前站距之間站與站距離最長的是哪裡嗎是阪南線的龍山市站到江子翠站全長大概是三點\n696935\t716174\t因為他過河因為他是屬於特殊地形的關係他必須穿越新店西河床他屬於他不是一般的市區常態那麼院長我們再來看簡報如果三陰線延伸八德段取消LB12A LB13這兩站您估計你這樣看他的站聚會是多長呢這樣看不出來\n718772\t737577\t也看不出來 沒關係它的站距是4.3公里很明顯的已經超出了北捷線有最長的3.97公里那院長我們要想到如果列車未來行駛在這麼長的距離內它沒有中途站一旦發生災害或是其他緊急狀況是否會增加乘客疏散的困難以及救援的困難\n739545\t753361\t這個我希望將由這個專業的交通來做評估啦是漲占過遠或是有任何這個將來這本書也要舉例2014年北捷發生了令全國震驚的捷運殺人案\n755662\t781568\t捷運殺人事件 鄭捷案當時該案就是發生在龍山市道江子翠站這一段的距離經警方調查他刻意選在這一段區間來犯案就是因為 佔據太長所以車廂內他難以及時應變以及疏散人潮嘛導致了重大的傷亡事故所以這段血淚的教訓告訴我們啊過長的佔據不只是交通便利系的問題他也可能會攸關到乘客的性命安全啊院長您認同嗎\n783342\t810254\t是 但是這還是我建議啦我們交通專業來評估但是委員所說的這些我們請部長在適當的時間要把它納到評估的過程裡面大家來討論我們要來做評估那我們本期也希望為了能夠有效因應各種突發事件所以三陰線延伸到八德段LB12到LB14它中間必須要設立站點如果LB12A跟LB13站拿掉的話它不只是佔據過長\n811454\t839380\t它同時也會造成捷運的可及性大幅向低民眾上下車的便利性變差自然也會達成到達成意願一旦達成意願降低那北北桃的鐵公路運輸系統它的經濟效益也會大打折扣那我們要想到如果拿掉這兩站到時候我們又要重新LB重新評估LB14這個站體它是否能夠負荷這麼大的轉成人潮這都是除站體會帶來的連鎖效應所以不是單純拿掉兩個車站那麼簡單\n841448\t857536\t那院長 本身要提醒你 慈愛已經卡在行政院225天了您的態度是今天聽委員這樣的建議 我覺得內容上面有相當參考的價值那我會請交通部 請國發會來考量這個事情 儘速的來做一個定案後來延長一年到今年的6月19日如果後過期限一到\n865430\t887984\t後過期限一到車輛耗製還有相關設備又必須被迫重新溢價那單價勢必會提高無疑是加重地方政府的財政負擔那院長您願意在6月19號之前來核定本案嗎報告委員我在這個會期我們會有一個答案跟委員報告能不能夠在6月19號之前核定呢在這個後過期限屆滿之前核定\n888926\t904585\t我們在這個會期會跟委員報告所以6月19日之前應該是可以有答案是 部長 那本席也要提醒您當初蘇貞昌院長只花了15天就核定蘇校委會委員爭取的台鐵鳳鳴站那現在本席看到您花了225天\n906019\t926100\t還沒有核定本案我們加速 加速把它補上來好 那期待院長您能在6月19號後過期限不要影響到工程的經費以及工程的進度是院長您能承諾嗎可以 可以我們這個會期結束之前跟委員做一個合理的說明跟溝通這個案子如果能夠可以 緊速的把它定下來好 謝謝院長好 謝謝邱樂華委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席有請行政院卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n市委員好院長好院長本期看了您的經歷您是在民國76年的時候投入政壇當時擔任時任台北市議員謝長廷的議會助理後來也擔任過民進黨主席政務委員行政院秘書長也做過市議員立法委員等重要職務所以本期想請教院長您當初是基於什麼樣的理念決定投入政治這條路\n因為大學念了法律之後我覺得國家的法律應該朝向一個更正常化的尤其那個時候是在戒嚴時期讓國家能夠更正常化脫離這種戒嚴體制是當時很多年輕人的想法所以我就投入那樣的工作\nOK 好 謝謝院長的分享本席認為當民意代表最重要的事就是反映鄉親的需求為地方爭取建設改善國人的生活品質並且進而讓國家變得更好本席今天依舊要向院長提出我們地方的需求雖然跟交通沒有直接的關係還是希望能夠得到院長的支持與協助\n我們現在看到,院長,我們桃園是一座持續發展的新興城市,人口逐年上升,以本席所服務的八德區為例,因為土地重劃,也帶動住宅用地的增加。我們看到人口隨之上升,從一百零五年的十八萬七千多人成長至一一四年三月的二十一萬五千四百多人,\n那十年間我們看到就增加了兩萬七千六百五十人而且未來還有持續成長的趨勢那院長請問您知道我國所謂的八大行庫是指哪八家銀行\n就是財政部所屬的八大行庫包括義營、台營、土營 很多八大行庫沒錯 這八大有台營 院長您說的土地銀行還有義營 兆豐、華南、彰化合作金庫以及台灣企營本席要再次向院長反映目前八大行庫中除了台灣銀行之外其餘七家都已經在巴德區設立了分行\n也有很多巴德區的民眾不斷的向本席反映希望台銀能夠在巴德設立分行那向院長報告那本席也多次的跟台銀來進行協調嘛那因為台銀他受限於法規的關係要新設立分行確實有不少難度那在今年二月本席跟台銀我們討論出一個折衷的方案就是由台銀他們自行找尋地點在兩個\n也向院長報告台穎已經在四月底跟巴德國民運動中心來達成協議預計五月就可以完成設置ATM本席在此也非常感謝台穎給予的協助感謝他們回應民眾的需求不過本席要強調的是設置ATM只是一個階段性只是一個折中的做法\n本席還是希望能夠回應民眾的需求畢竟ATM它不能取代分行所能提供的完整的金融服務那麼本席剛剛有提到八大工股行庫中唯獨台銀沒有辦法設點那是因為金融機構國內分支機構管理辦法裡面在民國96年前它的規範相對寬鬆所以這法規它逐步趨延在\n銀行新設分行的難度也相對的提高了嘛那又因為台銀跟一般的商業銀行不同他必須配合政府許多重大政策像是發行生肖紀念套幣所以在這個國內分支機構的管理辦法裡面呢他的第三條第二項第十款的規定那造成要新設立\n分行的困難是極高的所以本席想要請卓院長協助與金管會演繹針對公股銀行看能不能適度地來放寬它的標準新設分行的標準讓台銀也能在巴德設立分行真正地回應民眾的期待以及需求院長您願意來促成嗎\n謝謝委員的建議桃園是一個快速人口成長的地區而且是相當多的年輕人這是一個桃園市的一個特色那我們現在對金融除了對希望金融單位各個行庫公民營的行庫\n做金融的創新之外另外有一點非常重要是普惠金融普惠金融另外意思也就是要普惠大眾所以我希望財政部台銀能夠重新的去思考不是站在競爭的角度而是站在服務的角度是不是能夠在適當的地區要普設他的分堂單位這樣才能夠在普惠大眾普惠照顧的情況底下去做更多的金融創新跟服務\n尤其本席上次也提到賴清真總統他也實現了他的政見嘛現在正在推動桃園桃竹苗大矽谷計畫也啟動了嘛那我們希望不管是交通金融那尤其在金融然後還是文化教育醫療方面都可以全部來到位所以本席請院長在金管會進行研議好我會請財政部台銀都來研議這個議題OK謝謝院長那接下來我們看到交通的議題麻煩請交通部長\n那本席也要先請問院長那中央政府針對新增的公共工程還有計劃的預算編列是不是要經過行政院核定之後才能夠編列預算的新增的公共工程預算原則是這樣子沒有錯嘛那也就是說原本沒有核定的計劃就算現在核定了他也不會壓縮到今年的預算院長對嗎\n今年我們會想盡辦法來做最少的衝擊但未來如果牽扯到財政收支劃分法的話那我們必須要做重新的思考要嘛地方政府多做一些承擔 分擔要嘛就是時間要拉很長我倒不希望時間拉長我希望中央地方可以拉長那院長我們來看捷運三一線延伸巴德一案\n本席在去年的10月18日交通組質詢中就有要求行政院來計數核定本案院長您當時也承諾會盡快的來了解請問院長您知道距離本席上次質詢至今過了幾天嗎\n天數沒有辦法計算但是過程是不是部長了解清楚已經過了197天了那本席也直接跟院長說那從交通部去年9月20日呈報行政院至今過了225天院長您知道目前三一線延伸巴的案子目前核定了嗎報告委員目前行政院還在審核當中還沒有核定是還在審核當中那院長我們來請看投影片\n本席在一四預算審查時向行政院提出了加快核定三陰線延伸八德的主決議當時行政院與本席做溝通行政院給予本席兩個回覆主要為下列兩點我們來看到第一點\n是近年桃園周邊有許多捷運的建設的計畫怕通過本案會互相排擠到其他捷運建設的所需要的經費那第二點是針對LB12A LB13站它進出人口以及運量不足的問題要求交通部督導地方政府針對這兩站來進行評估那院長請教您一個問題您知道目前山陰縣它的主體工程進度到哪裡了嗎\n首先剛剛委員所說的那個理由應該是國發會在審議的時候所提出的相關的意見也是反映地方上的意見是不是部長說明一下我們三一線目前的主體工程進度到哪裡了它已經在試運轉是沒錯那這邊也向院長報告它目前的進度已經達82.87%並已經開始無人駕駛動態測試那按照今年的規劃它預計今年年底就可以完工明年\n那在今年4月21日的時候新北市長侯友宜也帶著多位的市議員還有里長共同視察並且親自試乘列車代表地方市政府以及民意都非常的重視這條捷運的進度那再請教院長一個問題一項公共建設在綜合規劃之後他還需要經過哪一些流程建設計畫\n建設計畫他通常還要經過細部細部設計發包施工動工才能完工嘛那代表合定之後還需要一段時間他才有機會進行公開招標進而動工那三一線他在這個綜合規劃合定之後經過了415天才開始動工那院長您知道我們桃園目前有幾條通過合定的捷運尚未動工嗎\n其實蠻多的其實蠻多的就兩條因為現在捷運正在新建中嘛主要是捷運中線然後還有捷運綠線延伸到中壢還沒有動工那目前正在新建中的是捷運綠線然後還有基捷延伸到中壢那我們接著看就本席了解目前高雄捷運有兩項計畫正在新建中一項呢正在規劃中那高雄捷運它新建中跟規劃中的總經費我們看到\n修正前金額是2278.37億元相較於桃園捷運系統的總經費1973.1億元高出了305.27億那在高雄的這些捷運計畫中呢中央負擔的比例是高於地方政府的那桃園剛好相反地方負擔的比例反而是比較高的本席以高雄的捷運來想\n院長說明就是要向院長證明捷運三一線延伸巴德案它並不會排擠到其他的捷運工程那本席也詢問過桃園市政府會不會有排擠的可能那本席得到的答覆是不會有排擠的作用所以地方政府都已經明確的表態了可是在行政院院長卻還行政院卻還遲遲的不肯核定那再來我們還是要看到這條三一線的路線\n它的起點設在LB12站沿線新增LB12A還有LB13站它兩座高架車站它的終點是與捷運綠線均嶺市採共購的方式設置LB14地下車站全長約4.3公里喔院長對於這個路線的規劃設置LB12A還有LB13站您是採什麼樣的態度和立場呢這個就是剛剛委員所說的國發會提出的這12A跟13這兩個站那您現在看到這個路線您是支持還是態度是有所保留的\n對不起,我沒有辦法照這個圖來,我希望交通部能夠跟地方...沒關係,本席也藉這個機會讓院長您來了解嘛行政院國發會的答覆,那時候行政院給予本席的答覆是因為人口和運量的問題啊,必須要同時移除這兩站如果同時移除這兩站,院長您這樣看,部長您這樣看會有什麼樣的問題\n報告委員這個其實是一個專業的判斷啦那當然車站跟車站之間的距離盡量不要太遠那是所有的捷運系統或輕軌系統的要求那這樣看起來是距離有稍微遠一點這邊部長本席也請教過您嘛那時候本席有問到你知道北捷目前站距之間站與站距離最長的是哪裡嗎是阪南線的龍山市站到江子翠站全長大概是三點\n因為他過河因為他是屬於特殊地形的關係他必須穿越新店西河床他屬於他不是一般的市區常態那麼院長我們再來看簡報如果三陰線延伸八德段取消LB12A LB13這兩站您估計你這樣看他的站聚會是多長呢這樣看不出來\n也看不出來 沒關係它的站距是4.3公里很明顯的已經超出了北捷線有最長的3.97公里那院長我們要想到如果列車未來行駛在這麼長的距離內它沒有中途站一旦發生災害或是其他緊急狀況是否會增加乘客疏散的困難以及救援的困難\n這個我希望將由這個專業的交通來做評估啦是漲占過遠或是有任何這個將來這本書也要舉例2014年北捷發生了令全國震驚的捷運殺人案\n捷運殺人事件 鄭捷案當時該案就是發生在龍山市道江子翠站這一段的距離經警方調查他刻意選在這一段區間來犯案就是因為 佔據太長所以車廂內他難以及時應變以及疏散人潮嘛導致了重大的傷亡事故所以這段血淚的教訓告訴我們啊過長的佔據不只是交通便利系的問題他也可能會攸關到乘客的性命安全啊院長您認同嗎\n是 但是這還是我建議啦我們交通專業來評估但是委員所說的這些我們請部長在適當的時間要把它納到評估的過程裡面大家來討論我們要來做評估那我們本期也希望為了能夠有效因應各種突發事件所以三陰線延伸到八德段LB12到LB14它中間必須要設立站點如果LB12A跟LB13站拿掉的話它不只是佔據過長\n它同時也會造成捷運的可及性大幅向低民眾上下車的便利性變差自然也會達成到達成意願一旦達成意願降低那北北桃的鐵公路運輸系統它的經濟效益也會大打折扣那我們要想到如果拿掉這兩站到時候我們又要重新LB重新評估LB14這個站體它是否能夠負荷這麼大的轉成人潮這都是除站體會帶來的連鎖效應所以不是單純拿掉兩個車站那麼簡單\n那院長 本身要提醒你 慈愛已經卡在行政院225天了您的態度是今天聽委員這樣的建議 我覺得內容上面有相當參考的價值那我會請交通部 請國發會來考量這個事情 儘速的來做一個定案後來延長一年到今年的6月19日如果後過期限一到\n後過期限一到車輛耗製還有相關設備又必須被迫重新溢價那單價勢必會提高無疑是加重地方政府的財政負擔那院長您願意在6月19號之前來核定本案嗎報告委員我在這個會期我們會有一個答案跟委員報告能不能夠在6月19號之前核定呢在這個後過期限屆滿之前核定\n我們在這個會期會跟委員報告所以6月19日之前應該是可以有答案是 部長 那本席也要提醒您當初蘇貞昌院長只花了15天就核定蘇校委會委員爭取的台鐵鳳鳴站那現在本席看到您花了225天\n還沒有核定本案我們加速 加速把它補上來好 那期待院長您能在6月19號後過期限不要影響到工程的經費以及工程的進度是院長您能承諾嗎可以 可以我們這個會期結束之前跟委員做一個合理的說明跟溝通這個案子如果能夠可以 緊速的把它定下來好 謝謝院長好 謝謝邱樂華委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.549 --> 00:13.312\n好謝謝主席主席有請行政院卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n00:22.336 --> 00:45.488\n市委員好院長好院長本期看了您的經歷您是在民國76年的時候投入政壇當時擔任時任台北市議員謝長廷的議會助理後來也擔任過民進黨主席政務委員行政院秘書長也做過市議員立法委員等重要職務所以本期想請教院長您當初是基於什麼樣的理念決定投入政治這條路\n\n00:46.803 --> 01:04.572\n因為大學念了法律之後我覺得國家的法律應該朝向一個更正常化的尤其那個時候是在戒嚴時期讓國家能夠更正常化脫離這種戒嚴體制是當時很多年輕人的想法所以我就投入那樣的工作\n\n01:05.014 --> 01:24.105\nOK好謝謝院長的分享本席認為當民意代表最重要的事就是反映鄉親的需求為地方爭取建設改善國人的生活品質並且進而讓國家變得更好本席今天依舊要向院長提出我們地方的需求雖然跟交通沒有直接的關係還是希望能夠得到院長的支持與協助\n\n01:25.206 --> 01:46.179\n我們現在看到,院長,我們桃園是一座持續發展的新興城市,人口逐年上升,以本席所服務的八德區為例,因為土地重劃,也帶動住宅用地的增加。我們看到人口隨之上升,從一百零五年的十八萬七千多人成長至一一四年三月的二十一萬五千四百多人,\n\n01:46.579 --> 01:58.486\n那十年間我們看到就增加了兩萬七千六百五十人而且未來還有持續成長的趨勢那院長請問您知道我國所謂的八大行庫是指哪八家銀行\n\n01:59.600 --> 02:23.230\n就是財政部所屬的八大行庫包括義營、台營、土營很多八大行庫沒錯這八大有台營院長您說的土地銀行還有義營兆豐、華南、彰化合作金庫以及台灣企營本席要再次向院長反映目前八大行庫中除了台灣銀行之外其餘七家都已經在巴德區設立了分行\n\n02:24.891 --> 02:49.443\n也有很多巴德區的民眾不斷的向本席反映希望台銀能夠在巴德設立分行那向院長報告那本席也多次的跟台銀來進行協調嘛那因為台銀他受限於法規的關係要新設立分行確實有不少難度那在今年二月本席跟台銀我們討論出一個折衷的方案就是由台銀他們自行找尋地點在兩個\n\n02:51.864 --> 03:11.755\n也向院長報告台穎已經在四月底跟巴德國民運動中心來達成協議預計五月就可以完成設置ATM本席在此也非常感謝台穎給予的協助感謝他們回應民眾的需求不過本席要強調的是設置ATM只是一個階段性只是一個折中的做法\n\n03:12.975 --> 03:38.571\n本席還是希望能夠回應民眾的需求畢竟ATM它不能取代分行所能提供的完整的金融服務那麼本席剛剛有提到八大工股行庫中唯獨台銀沒有辦法設點那是因為金融機構國內分支機構管理辦法裡面在民國96年前它的規範相對寬鬆所以這法規它逐步趨延在\n\n03:40.120 --> 03:58.473\n銀行新設分行的難度也相對的提高了嘛那又因為台銀跟一般的商業銀行不同他必須配合政府許多重大政策像是發行生肖紀念套幣所以在這個國內分支機構的管理辦法裡面呢他的第三條第二項第十款的規定那造成要新設立\n\n03:59.659 --> 04:19.320\n分行的困難是極高的所以本席想要請卓院長協助與金管會演繹針對公股銀行看能不能適度地來放寬它的標準新設分行的標準讓台銀也能在巴德設立分行真正地回應民眾的期待以及需求院長您願意來促成嗎\n\n04:20.317 --> 04:33.944\n謝謝委員的建議桃園是一個快速人口成長的地區而且是相當多的年輕人這是一個桃園市的一個特色那我們現在對金融除了對希望金融單位各個行庫公民營的行庫\n\n04:35.355 --> 04:59.555\n做金融的創新之外另外有一點非常重要是普惠金融普惠金融另外意思也就是要普惠大眾所以我希望財政部台銀能夠重新的去思考不是站在競爭的角度而是站在服務的角度是不是能夠在適當的地區要普設他的分堂單位這樣才能夠在普惠大眾普惠照顧的情況底下去做更多的金融創新跟服務\n\n05:00.194 --> 05:25.094\n尤其本席上次也提到賴清真總統他也實現了他的政見嘛現在正在推動桃園桃竹苗大矽谷計畫也啟動了嘛那我們希望不管是交通金融那尤其在金融然後還是文化教育醫療方面都可以全部來到位所以本席請院長在金管會進行研議好我會請財政部台銀都來研議這個議題OK謝謝院長那接下來我們看到交通的議題麻煩請交通部長\n\n05:32.748 --> 05:52.263\n那本席也要先請問院長那中央政府針對新增的公共工程還有計劃的預算編列是不是要經過行政院核定之後才能夠編列預算的新增的公共工程預算原則是這樣子沒有錯嘛那也就是說原本沒有核定的計劃就算現在核定了他也不會壓縮到今年的預算院長對嗎\n\n05:53.953 --> 06:14.108\n今年我們會想盡辦法來做最少的衝擊但未來如果牽扯到財政收支劃分法的話那我們必須要做重新的思考要嘛地方政府多做一些承擔分擔要嘛就是時間要拉很長我倒不希望時間拉長我希望中央地方可以拉長那院長我們來看捷運三一線延伸巴德一案\n\n06:15.772 --> 06:26.077\n本席在去年的10月18日交通組質詢中就有要求行政院來計數核定本案院長您當時也承諾會盡快的來了解請問院長您知道距離本席上次質詢至今過了幾天嗎\n\n06:28.103 --> 06:54.213\n天數沒有辦法計算但是過程是不是部長了解清楚已經過了197天了那本席也直接跟院長說那從交通部去年9月20日呈報行政院至今過了225天院長您知道目前三一線延伸巴的案子目前核定了嗎報告委員目前行政院還在審核當中還沒有核定是還在審核當中那院長我們來請看投影片\n\n06:56.409 --> 07:10.448\n本席在一四預算審查時向行政院提出了加快核定三陰線延伸八德的主決議當時行政院與本席做溝通行政院給予本席兩個回覆主要為下列兩點我們來看到第一點\n\n07:11.189 --> 07:36.591\n是近年桃園周邊有許多捷運的建設的計畫怕通過本案會互相排擠到其他捷運建設的所需要的經費那第二點是針對LB12ALB13站它進出人口以及運量不足的問題要求交通部督導地方政府針對這兩站來進行評估那院長請教您一個問題您知道目前山陰縣它的主體工程進度到哪裡了嗎\n\n07:37.626 --> 08:04.801\n首先剛剛委員所說的那個理由應該是國發會在審議的時候所提出的相關的意見也是反映地方上的意見是不是部長說明一下我們三一線目前的主體工程進度到哪裡了它已經在試運轉是沒錯那這邊也向院長報告它目前的進度已經達82.87%並已經開始無人駕駛動態測試那按照今年的規劃它預計今年年底就可以完工明年\n\n08:06.422 --> 08:28.753\n那在今年4月21日的時候新北市長侯友宜也帶著多位的市議員還有里長共同視察並且親自試乘列車代表地方市政府以及民意都非常的重視這條捷運的進度那再請教院長一個問題一項公共建設在綜合規劃之後他還需要經過哪一些流程建設計畫\n\n08:30.219 --> 08:53.676\n建設計畫他通常還要經過細部細部設計發包施工動工才能完工嘛那代表合定之後還需要一段時間他才有機會進行公開招標進而動工那三一線他在這個綜合規劃合定之後經過了415天才開始動工那院長您知道我們桃園目前有幾條通過合定的捷運尚未動工嗎\n\n08:56.543 --> 09:23.481\n其實蠻多的其實蠻多的就兩條因為現在捷運正在新建中嘛主要是捷運中線然後還有捷運綠線延伸到中壢還沒有動工那目前正在新建中的是捷運綠線然後還有基捷延伸到中壢那我們接著看就本席了解目前高雄捷運有兩項計畫正在新建中一項呢正在規劃中那高雄捷運它新建中跟規劃中的總經費我們看到\n\n09:24.201 --> 09:47.319\n修正前金額是2278.37億元相較於桃園捷運系統的總經費1973.1億元高出了305.27億那在高雄的這些捷運計畫中呢中央負擔的比例是高於地方政府的那桃園剛好相反地方負擔的比例反而是比較高的本席以高雄的捷運來想\n\n09:48.840 --> 10:14.354\n院長說明就是要向院長證明捷運三一線延伸巴德案它並不會排擠到其他的捷運工程那本席也詢問過桃園市政府會不會有排擠的可能那本席得到的答覆是不會有排擠的作用所以地方政府都已經明確的表態了可是在行政院院長卻還行政院卻還遲遲的不肯核定那再來我們還是要看到這條三一線的路線\n\n10:15.575 --> 10:44.524\n它的起點設在LB12站沿線新增LB12A還有LB13站它兩座高架車站它的終點是與捷運綠線均嶺市採共購的方式設置LB14地下車站全長約4.3公里喔院長對於這個路線的規劃設置LB12A還有LB13站您是採什麼樣的態度和立場呢這個就是剛剛委員所說的國發會提出的這12A跟13這兩個站那您現在看到這個路線您是支持還是態度是有所保留的\n\n10:45.979 --> 11:05.971\n對不起,我沒有辦法照這個圖來,我希望交通部能夠跟地方...沒關係,本席也藉這個機會讓院長您來了解嘛行政院國發會的答覆,那時候行政院給予本席的答覆是因為人口和運量的問題啊,必須要同時移除這兩站如果同時移除這兩站,院長您這樣看,部長您這樣看會有什麼樣的問題\n\n11:07.318 --> 11:35.634\n報告委員這個其實是一個專業的判斷啦那當然車站跟車站之間的距離盡量不要太遠那是所有的捷運系統或輕軌系統的要求那這樣看起來是距離有稍微遠一點這邊部長本席也請教過您嘛那時候本席有問到你知道北捷目前站距之間站與站距離最長的是哪裡嗎是阪南線的龍山市站到江子翠站全長大概是三點\n\n11:36.935 --> 11:56.174\n因為他過河因為他是屬於特殊地形的關係他必須穿越新店西河床他屬於他不是一般的市區常態那麼院長我們再來看簡報如果三陰線延伸八德段取消LB12ALB13這兩站您估計你這樣看他的站聚會是多長呢這樣看不出來\n\n11:58.772 --> 12:17.577\n也看不出來沒關係它的站距是4.3公里很明顯的已經超出了北捷線有最長的3.97公里那院長我們要想到如果列車未來行駛在這麼長的距離內它沒有中途站一旦發生災害或是其他緊急狀況是否會增加乘客疏散的困難以及救援的困難\n\n12:19.545 --> 12:33.361\n這個我希望將由這個專業的交通來做評估啦是漲占過遠或是有任何這個將來這本書也要舉例2014年北捷發生了令全國震驚的捷運殺人案\n\n12:35.662 --> 13:01.568\n捷運殺人事件鄭捷案當時該案就是發生在龍山市道江子翠站這一段的距離經警方調查他刻意選在這一段區間來犯案就是因為佔據太長所以車廂內他難以及時應變以及疏散人潮嘛導致了重大的傷亡事故所以這段血淚的教訓告訴我們啊過長的佔據不只是交通便利系的問題他也可能會攸關到乘客的性命安全啊院長您認同嗎\n\n13:03.342 --> 13:30.254\n是但是這還是我建議啦我們交通專業來評估但是委員所說的這些我們請部長在適當的時間要把它納到評估的過程裡面大家來討論我們要來做評估那我們本期也希望為了能夠有效因應各種突發事件所以三陰線延伸到八德段LB12到LB14它中間必須要設立站點如果LB12A跟LB13站拿掉的話它不只是佔據過長\n\n13:31.454 --> 13:59.380\n它同時也會造成捷運的可及性大幅向低民眾上下車的便利性變差自然也會達成到達成意願一旦達成意願降低那北北桃的鐵公路運輸系統它的經濟效益也會大打折扣那我們要想到如果拿掉這兩站到時候我們又要重新LB重新評估LB14這個站體它是否能夠負荷這麼大的轉成人潮這都是除站體會帶來的連鎖效應所以不是單純拿掉兩個車站那麼簡單\n\n14:01.448 --> 14:17.536\n那院長本身要提醒你慈愛已經卡在行政院225天了您的態度是今天聽委員這樣的建議我覺得內容上面有相當參考的價值那我會請交通部請國發會來考量這個事情儘速的來做一個定案後來延長一年到今年的6月19日如果後過期限一到\n\n14:25.430 --> 14:47.984\n後過期限一到車輛耗製還有相關設備又必須被迫重新溢價那單價勢必會提高無疑是加重地方政府的財政負擔那院長您願意在6月19號之前來核定本案嗎報告委員我在這個會期我們會有一個答案跟委員報告能不能夠在6月19號之前核定呢在這個後過期限屆滿之前核定\n\n14:48.926 --> 15:04.585\n我們在這個會期會跟委員報告所以6月19日之前應該是可以有答案是部長那本席也要提醒您當初蘇貞昌院長只花了15天就核定蘇校委會委員爭取的台鐵鳳鳴站那現在本席看到您花了225天\n\n15:06.019 --> 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LB13這兩站您估計你這樣看他的站聚會是多長呢這樣看不出來"},{"start":718.772,"end":737.577,"text":"也看不出來 沒關係它的站距是4.3公里很明顯的已經超出了北捷線有最長的3.97公里那院長我們要想到如果列車未來行駛在這麼長的距離內它沒有中途站一旦發生災害或是其他緊急狀況是否會增加乘客疏散的困難以及救援的困難"},{"start":739.545,"end":753.361,"text":"這個我希望將由這個專業的交通來做評估啦是漲占過遠或是有任何這個將來這本書也要舉例2014年北捷發生了令全國震驚的捷運殺人案"},{"start":755.662,"end":781.568,"text":"捷運殺人事件 鄭捷案當時該案就是發生在龍山市道江子翠站這一段的距離經警方調查他刻意選在這一段區間來犯案就是因為 佔據太長所以車廂內他難以及時應變以及疏散人潮嘛導致了重大的傷亡事故所以這段血淚的教訓告訴我們啊過長的佔據不只是交通便利系的問題他也可能會攸關到乘客的性命安全啊院長您認同嗎"},{"start":783.342,"end":810.254,"text":"是 但是這還是我建議啦我們交通專業來評估但是委員所說的這些我們請部長在適當的時間要把它納到評估的過程裡面大家來討論我們要來做評估那我們本期也希望為了能夠有效因應各種突發事件所以三陰線延伸到八德段LB12到LB14它中間必須要設立站點如果LB12A跟LB13站拿掉的話它不只是佔據過長"},{"start":811.454,"end":839.38,"text":"它同時也會造成捷運的可及性大幅向低民眾上下車的便利性變差自然也會達成到達成意願一旦達成意願降低那北北桃的鐵公路運輸系統它的經濟效益也會大打折扣那我們要想到如果拿掉這兩站到時候我們又要重新LB重新評估LB14這個站體它是否能夠負荷這麼大的轉成人潮這都是除站體會帶來的連鎖效應所以不是單純拿掉兩個車站那麼簡單"},{"start":841.448,"end":857.536,"text":"那院長 本身要提醒你 慈愛已經卡在行政院225天了您的態度是今天聽委員這樣的建議 我覺得內容上面有相當參考的價值那我會請交通部 請國發會來考量這個事情 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"陳部長世凱：在6月19之前應該是可以有答案。"],["邱委員若華：是。部長，本席也要提醒您，當初蘇貞昌院長只花了15天就核定蘇巧慧委員爭取的臺鐵鳳鳴站；現在本席看到您花了225天還沒有核定本案。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會加速把它補上來，在這個會期結束之前跟委員做一個充分的說明、溝通。"],["邱委員若華：好，那期待院長您能在6月19號後擴期限……不要影響到工程的經費以及工程的進度，院長，您能承諾嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：可以。我們會在這個會期結束之前，跟委員做一個合理的說明跟溝通，這個案子如果可以做，會儘速把它定下來。"],["邱委員若華：好，謝謝院長及部長。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝邱若華委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、交通部長的備詢。","報告院會，本日質詢的委員均已詢答完畢，我們非常感謝卓院長跟相關列席的各閣員首長一起列席答詢。","報告院會，在休息之前，針對近日司法及法制委員會就本院幕僚長等幕僚人員未列席委員會專題報告予以譴責一事，本席近日發文給各委員會召委並發布新聞稿，多次說明，各委員會召委邀請本院秘書長列席進行報告，應確實依照本院各委員會組織法第二條之規定辦理排案。由於本週司法及法制委員會安排之議程，逾越上開規定，因此，本席請本院秘書長等幕僚人員毋庸列席。","依憲法第六十七條規定，本院常設委員會，固可邀請政府人員到委員會備詢，惟依照大法官釋字第461號解釋意旨，鑑於立法監督行政，行政向立法負責之憲政本旨，憲法第六十七條所稱政府人員係指行政院、各部會首長及其所屬人員。此觀該號大法官解釋即足明瞭。爰此，作以下宣告：本院配置院會、委員會及各單位之幕僚人員，係協助委員行使職權並辦理其他行政事項，依法受本席指揮監督，與憲法第六十七條所定政府人員，受立法監督有所不同。因此針對委員會召委未依本院各委員會組織法第二條規定辦理之專題報告排案，本院幕僚人員自無列席義務。","請議事人員將此宣告發文各委員會幕僚主管遵行。","本日會議進行到此為止，5月6日（星期二）上午9時繼續開會進行交通組之質詢，再次謝謝卓院長及各位閣員，謝謝。現在休息。","休息（17時8分）","� 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