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00:01:13,677\n解凍案的那個不復翼那畢竟早日審查這個解凍案其實是大家的共識那民進黨當然沒有反對的理由那同時也是國民黨在本會期每次質詢都強烈要求你們要趕快送出這個解凍案的那可是在國民黨上個禮拜五下班後才簽出不復翼的同意書那\n\n4\n00:01:17,297 --> 00:01:40,726\n這個禮拜一又把不附議書抽回那直到昨天教委會才正式收到公文說他們同意不附議的同意書所以確定這個今天可以來解凍文化部的預算其實是考量到諸多的不確定性那所以本席才會用這個黃牛的專報來當預備的議程我想透過這個機會跟大家說明一下\n\n5\n00:01:45,247 --> 00:02:02,064\n文化部我們的預算解凍案49案那其中有29案就是要求提出書面報告20案是要提出專案報告那剛剛我們書面報告已經處理完畢那我們等一下來處理所謂的專案報告的部分\n\n6\n00:02:02,745 --> 00:02:22,963\n那我想total剛剛部長也有報告我們這次的解凍案的總金額是34億其中有5億2400多萬是在委員會凍結的那其他的28億8千多萬是在院會被凍結的所以其實想到這個就覺得說其實我們\n\n7\n00:02:24,707 --> 00:02:50,364\n今年度教育委員會在審查預算的時候其實我們是零案保留也就是說我們沒有一個任何的預算案是要進到協商程序那這是我們不分黨派所有教育委員會的最大的共識而且花了一整個會期努力的討論努力的這個大家研究之下的結果可是換句話說在院會被凍結將近29億的預算等於是\n\n8\n00:02:55,387 --> 00:03:20,078\n這個被本委員會同意的那所以這個其實我們是覺得很當然對這個過程覺得很不滿那當然今天我們還是要呼籲一下我們一定要無條件攜手來支持這個解凍案全數可以解凍那第二點我是希望大家能考量是說文化部除了預算被凍結了34億另外我們還被刪掉11億那\n\n9\n00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:47,079\n不只文化部的宣傳費被刪掉作為第四權的公共電視喔台灣Plus也被刪了2.4億那中央社也被刪了1600萬喔所以連最基本的文化部的事務費、旅費、水電費這些行政的必要資源也都被刪了5.9億所以今天處理的解凍案其實就算是委員會\n\n10\n00:03:48,160 --> 00:04:17,310\n解凍的部分我們也希望說大家能夠評估綜合評估我國這個文化預算的整體損失然後做最大程度的給予解凍因為其實也是解一時的燃眉之急而已好那我想針對剛剛部長其實當然也有提到說在報告有提到說今天面對這樣的解凍的那個態度是不是你再請你說明一下跟所有委員做一些呼籲關於今天的解凍案\n\n11\n00:04:20,475 --> 00:04:44,220\n謝謝委員其實我剛一直強調本來我們在我們的委員會裡只被三兩千萬然後動五億左右我本來以為這樣子一個是蠻合理的後來得到這樣一個結果那其實這個結果對我們來講影響太大譬如說我們每一個管所他的錢都用在一些像業務費這種都是一個水電清潔保全景觀等等還有\n\n12\n00:04:45,020 --> 00:05:09,603\n我們很多的錢如果在不解凍的情況下在8月之後就完全沒有辦法營運了還有一些是跟國際簽約這些合約我們也沒辦法付款其實我講一個蠻實際的就是當我們被刪以後被凍以後其實我們有些活動已經透過企業募款才能夠出去因為\n\n13\n00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:34,996\n所有的活動都從去年就開始簽約所以我們不可能等到錢下來所以我們開始跟企業募款包括在台中那個那一場那個跟龐貝都的一個展覽我們也是透過企業募款所以講到這裡我就覺得說我們大家都很努力所以請求大家一定要把這個這個錢要給我們不然我們八月份以後真的是會停擺\n\n14\n00:05:36,383 --> 00:06:03,462\n當然啦剛剛部長有提到其實我們所有的這個所謂的文化部轄下的藝文管社也都被無差別凍結了30%那當然今天因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一一請這個藝文管社這些館長或主任上台那可是我想還是要請部長代表說明如果這30%的業務費沒有順利解凍的話那這些管社的影響部長\n\n15\n00:06:05,765 --> 00:06:23,005\n其實每一個管事他都有一定的功能譬如說有一些是保存一些很重要的史料他需要的經費還有就是他每一檔每一檔的活動都排下去如果你這個錢不給的話我們那個檔可能要縮減然後對民眾來講他會覺得我們一直在變動其實說穿了\n\n16\n00:06:27,591 --> 00:06:42,096\n文化部的預算非常的緊他每一筆錢都用在剛剛好所以而且全世界的國家都會把錢用在文化部所以為什麼我們這次文化部被砍這些錢或者凍這些錢整個文化界會覺得非常\n\n17\n00:06:42,987 --> 00:06:59,247\n那個驚訝就是因為這個錢尤其是這些管所都分布在每一個縣市直接跟每一個地方上每一個人的禁用是切身關係的所以我剛才解釋了每一個管的要付的錢\n\n18\n00:07:00,589 --> 00:07:09,475\n你聽起來好像說保全清潔什麼要那麼少錢包括薪水很多都是我們的外部人員基本的那個維勻費用啊對這個都發不出來那我這樣講其實是真的所以希望大家給我們趕快過好那我們再來先請教一下公共電視胡董事長\n\n19\n00:07:18,061 --> 00:07:44,928\n就公共電視跟TownPlus的預算遭刪除跟凍結的數目相加總共有10億多想要請董事長說明就少了這些預算在目前為止在目前為止就你在媒體經營上遇到什麼樣的困難跟挑戰還有就是另外就你服務與這個媒體跟學業的學界的專業也請你說明一下就什麼叫做政治與媒體互動的必據原則\n\n20\n00:07:48,157 --> 00:08:07,942\n謝謝委員的關心這一次我們在凍結的部分台灣Plus大概有四億三千多萬那麼在公視小公視還有台語台的部分大概凍結了有六億三千多萬那這些比例呢事實上對我們影響是很大的\n\n21\n00:08:08,402 --> 00:08:26,350\n那以舉例來講我們幾乎所有要新開發的項目因為這樣的凍結我們都很多都已經把它暫停或者取消那對立場的業務來講其實它會構成很大的一個影響就是說我們很多的作業您知道影視的產品它是分年期在進行\n\n22\n00:08:27,190 --> 00:08:49,231\n所以我們對於在未來要如何進行下一期的作為我們都非常謹慎所以這一塊我們要小心那有關於這個必據原則的部分謝謝委員的關心那當然在一般運用到媒體領域最簡單的說法就是因為媒體跟政治力的關係非常密切但是因為這樣的密切所以它需要\n\n23\n00:08:49,952 --> 00:09:11,065\n政府對於媒體有一定的尊重跟這個保障他的自由所以在這個角度上來講就好像類似我們的幣手幣看起來就幣巨之搖但事實上他一定要有這樣的一個距離來保持政治跟媒體之間敏感的那種微妙關係對公共電視來講尤其如此因為任何一個作業的\n\n24\n00:09:12,066 --> 00:09:37,506\n副作用它是很微妙的所以這種政治上的BG原則對我們來講也是全球民主國家的公共媒體都在重視的一個基本原則跟慧恩報告一下好謝謝董事長的說明所以就是說其實這個不能用政治去干涉剛剛部長在報告的時候也有說就不能用政治去干涉我們這個G要怎麼樣做這個G不能這樣做對不對\n\n25\n00:09:40,049 --> 00:09:51,562\n這個某個程度就是說我們媒體跟戲劇這個的角色是這樣就是說政治跟媒體其實這個距離其實就是一個手臂的距離可是這個手臂的距離雖然不長可是它確實是有一定的距離對不對\n\n26\n00:09:57,248 --> 00:10:12,530\n其實自從黨政軍退出媒體之後我個人在這些年當評審從來沒有人干預過要選哪一部或者怎樣新聞要怎麼報這點外界一直誤會我們這點做得非常好\n\n27\n00:10:13,351 --> 00:10:41,802\n就至少我個人的經驗從來沒有干預過任何一個戲任何一則新聞我實際上在最後才看到哪些戲要拍通過了我們的補助等等這點是我在這裡保證我們其實這方面從戒嚴以後解除戒嚴以後走到今天算是一個自由民主的國家所有的媒體都謹守分寸文化部也絕對謹守分寸不會去干預到跟政治意識形態等等都不會干預\n\n28\n00:10:42,762 --> 00:10:59,281\n所以因為這樣被成為凍結的理由其實我們會覺得其實是非常的不合理啦好另外30秒的時間不好意思就是說跟部長討論的是說在台南喔這個國家美術館籌備處揭牌的那天我們包括陳承波啊\n\n29\n00:11:00,683 --> 00:11:23,155\n郭雪狐在內很多台灣的前輩藝術家的後代都有共同簽署這些前輩藝術家的作品的捐贈的這個典藏的意象那其實這是台南人的榮幸也是台灣人的幸福喔那可是我們現在遇到一個很嚴重的問題是說就典藏空間不足那新成立的這個台南國家美術館的庫房其實非常的不足\n\n30\n00:11:23,675 --> 00:11:48,567\n所以我們為了解決這個問題文化部有決定要在台南首府大學的這個退場的這個校地要興建一個聯航聯合的典藏中心那也編了一筆預算總共一億多那可是要做清洗的規劃可是這個一億多現在被全部刪掉那請問部長因為面對這些珍貴的藝術品那這個經費又被刪掉那你打算要怎麼因應的怎麼解決這點其實我們很著急因為\n\n31\n00:11:52,810 --> 00:12:10,569\n很多很多前輩藝術家都在這幾年宣布他們願意把他的後代願意把他的父母親啊或者祖父母的精彩作品捐給我們我們必須有責任保存所以我們其實如果還沒有南北館之前我們就不太夠\n\n32\n00:12:11,710 --> 00:12:32,544\n然後每蓋一個這個管設要非常長的時間規劃到設計到蓋那這點真的是我們心裡很著急只能去盤點現在現有的空間看能不能夠保存或者甚至於有一些還是保存在家屬那一邊他們用他們的庫房再保存我們付錢這樣子\n\n33\n00:12:34,525 --> 00:12:41,950\n好那就期待明年再續編把這個先行規劃再把它做好是好謝謝部長謝謝董事長謝謝謝謝主席好我們再來請郭育晴委員謝謝主席有請部長好有請李部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5632\t14438\t首先請登記發言第一位林一綺委員謝謝 謝謝主席有請李遠部長跟公共電視胡元輝董事長請部長 董事長\n25140\t48107\t委員好部長好進入質詢前我想首先還是要跟大家說明一下為什麼本週的議程直到禮拜一才終於正式決定那這其實就跟黨團簽預算解斷不附議同意書的進度有關那本來預期上週五就能確定各黨的同意可以同意\n48687\t73677\t解凍案的那個不復翼那畢竟早日審查這個解凍案其實是大家的共識那民進黨當然沒有反對的理由那同時也是國民黨在本會期每次質詢都強烈要求你們要趕快送出這個解凍案的那可是在國民黨上個禮拜五下班後才簽出不復翼的同意書那\n77297\t100726\t這個禮拜一又把不附議書抽回那直到昨天教委會才正式收到公文說他們同意不附議的同意書所以確定這個今天可以來解凍文化部的預算其實是考量到諸多的不確定性那所以本席才會用這個黃牛的專報來當預備的議程我想透過這個機會跟大家說明一下\n105247\t122064\t文化部我們的預算解凍案49案那其中有29案就是要求提出書面報告20案是要提出專案報告那剛剛我們書面報告已經處理完畢那我們等一下來處理所謂的專案報告的部分\n122745\t142963\t那我想total剛剛部長也有報告我們這次的解凍案的總金額是34億其中有5億2400多萬是在委員會凍結的那其他的28億8千多萬是在院會被凍結的所以其實想到這個就覺得說其實我們\n144707\t170364\t今年度教育委員會在審查預算的時候其實我們是零案保留也就是說我們沒有一個任何的預算案是要進到協商程序那這是我們不分黨派所有教育委員會的最大的共識而且花了一整個會期努力的討論努力的這個大家研究之下的結果可是換句話說在院會被凍結將近29億的預算等於是\n175387\t200078\t這個被本委員會同意的那所以這個其實我們是覺得很當然對這個過程覺得很不滿那當然今天我們還是要呼籲一下我們一定要無條件攜手來支持這個解凍案全數可以解凍那第二點我是希望大家能考量是說文化部除了預算被凍結了34億另外我們還被刪掉11億那\n202319\t227079\t不只文化部的宣傳費被刪掉作為第四權的公共電視喔台灣Plus也被刪了2.4億那中央社也被刪了1600萬喔所以連最基本的文化部的事務費、旅費、水電費這些行政的必要資源也都被刪了5.9億所以今天處理的解凍案其實就算是委員會\n228160\t257310\t解凍的部分我們也希望說大家能夠評估綜合評估我國這個文化預算的整體損失然後做最大程度的給予解凍因為其實也是解一時的燃眉之急而已好 那我想針對剛剛部長其實當然也有提到說在報告有提到說今天面對這樣的解凍的那個態度是不是你再請你說明一下跟所有委員做一些呼籲關於今天的解凍案\n260475\t284220\t謝謝委員其實我剛一直強調本來我們在我們的委員會裡只被三兩千萬然後動五億左右我本來以為這樣子一個是蠻合理的後來得到這樣一個結果那其實這個結果對我們來講影響太大譬如說我們每一個管所他的錢都用在一些像業務費這種都是一個水電清潔保全景觀等等還有\n285020\t309603\t我們很多的錢如果在不解凍的情況下在8月之後就完全沒有辦法營運了還有一些是跟國際簽約這些合約我們也沒辦法付款其實我講一個蠻實際的就是當我們被刪以後被凍以後其實我們有些活動已經透過企業募款才能夠出去因為\n310911\t334996\t所有的活動都從去年就開始簽約所以我們不可能等到錢下來所以我們開始跟企業募款包括在台中那個那一場那個跟龐貝都的一個展覽我們也是透過企業募款所以講到這裡我就覺得說我們大家都很努力所以請求大家一定要把這個這個錢要給我們不然我們八月份以後真的是會停擺\n336383\t363462\t當然啦剛剛部長有提到其實我們所有的這個所謂的文化部轄下的藝文管社也都被無差別凍結了30%那當然今天因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一一請這個藝文管社這些館長或主任上台那可是我想還是要請部長代表說明如果這30%的業務費沒有順利解凍的話那這些管社的影響部長\n365765\t383005\t其實每一個管事他都有一定的功能譬如說有一些是保存一些很重要的史料他需要的經費還有就是他每一檔每一檔的活動都排下去如果你這個錢不給的話我們那個檔可能要縮減然後對民眾來講他會覺得我們一直在變動其實說穿了\n387591\t402096\t文化部的預算非常的緊他每一筆錢都用在剛剛好所以而且全世界的國家都會把錢用在文化部所以為什麼我們這次文化部被砍這些錢或者凍這些錢整個文化界會覺得非常\n402987\t419247\t那個驚訝就是因為這個錢尤其是這些管所都分布在每一個縣市直接跟每一個地方上每一個人的禁用是切身關係的所以我剛才解釋了每一個管的要付的錢\n420589\t429475\t你聽起來好像說保全 清潔什麼要那麼少錢包括薪水 很多都是我們的外部人員基本的那個維勻費用啊對 這個都發不出來那我這樣講其實是真的所以希望大家給我們趕快過好 那我們再來先請教一下公共電視胡董事長\n438061\t464928\t就公共電視跟Town Plus的預算遭刪除跟凍結的數目相加總共有10億多想要請董事長說明就少了這些預算在目前為止在目前為止就你在媒體經營上遇到什麼樣的困難跟挑戰還有就是另外就你服務與這個媒體跟學業的學界的專業也請你說明一下就什麼叫做政治與媒體互動的必據原則\n468157\t487942\t謝謝委員的關心這一次我們在凍結的部分台灣Plus大概有四億三千多萬那麼在公視小公視還有台語台的部分大概凍結了有六億三千多萬那這些比例呢事實上對我們影響是很大的\n488402\t506350\t那以舉例來講我們幾乎所有要新開發的項目因為這樣的凍結我們都很多都已經把它暫停或者取消那對立場的業務來講其實它會構成很大的一個影響就是說我們很多的作業您知道影視的產品它是分年期在進行\n507190\t529231\t所以我們對於在未來要如何進行下一期的作為我們都非常謹慎所以這一塊我們要小心那有關於這個必據原則的部分謝謝委員的關心那當然在一般運用到媒體領域最簡單的說法就是因為媒體跟政治力的關係非常密切但是因為這樣的密切所以它需要\n529952\t551065\t政府對於媒體有一定的尊重跟這個保障他的自由所以在這個角度上來講就好像類似我們的幣手幣看起來就幣巨之搖但事實上他一定要有這樣的一個距離來保持政治跟媒體之間敏感的那種微妙關係對公共電視來講尤其如此因為任何一個作業的\n552066\t577506\t副作用它是很微妙的所以這種政治上的BG原則對我們來講也是全球民主國家的公共媒體都在重視的一個基本原則跟慧恩報告一下好 謝謝董事長的說明所以就是說其實這個不能用政治去干涉剛剛部長在報告的時候也有說就不能用政治去干涉我們這個G要怎麼樣做這個G不能這樣做 對不對\n580049\t591562\t這個某個程度就是說我們媒體跟戲劇這個的角色是這樣就是說政治跟媒體其實這個距離其實就是一個手臂的距離可是這個手臂的距離雖然不長可是它確實是有一定的距離對不對\n597248\t612530\t其實自從黨政軍退出媒體之後我個人在這些年當評審從來沒有人干預過要選哪一部或者怎樣新聞要怎麼報這點外界一直誤會我們這點做得非常好\n613351\t641802\t就至少我個人的經驗從來沒有干預過任何一個戲任何一則新聞我實際上在最後才看到哪些戲要拍通過了我們的補助等等這點是我在這裡保證我們其實這方面從戒嚴以後解除戒嚴以後走到今天算是一個自由民主的國家所有的媒體都謹守分寸文化部也絕對謹守分寸不會去干預到跟政治意識形態等等都不會干預\n642762\t659281\t所以因為這樣被成為凍結的理由其實我們會覺得其實是非常的不合理啦好 另外30秒的時間不好意思就是說跟部長討論的是說在台南喔這個國家美術館籌備處揭牌的那天我們包括陳承波啊\n660683\t683155\t郭雪狐在內很多台灣的前輩藝術家的後代都有共同簽署這些前輩藝術家的作品的捐贈的這個典藏的意象那其實這是台南人的榮幸也是台灣人的幸福喔那可是我們現在遇到一個很嚴重的問題是說就典藏空間不足那新成立的這個台南國家美術館的庫房其實非常的不足\n683675\t708567\t所以我們為了解決這個問題文化部有決定要在台南首府大學的這個退場的這個校地要興建一個聯航聯合的典藏中心那也編了一筆預算總共一億多那可是要做清洗的規劃可是這個一億多現在被全部刪掉那請問部長因為面對這些珍貴的藝術品那這個經費又被刪掉那你打算要怎麼因應的怎麼解決這點其實我們很著急因為\n712810\t730569\t很多很多前輩藝術家都在這幾年宣布他們願意把他的後代願意把他的父母親啊或者祖父母的精彩作品捐給我們我們必須有責任保存所以我們其實如果還沒有南北館之前我們就不太夠\n731710\t752544\t然後每蓋一個這個管設要非常長的時間規劃到設計到蓋那這點真的是我們心裡很著急只能去盤點現在現有的空間看能不能夠保存或者甚至於有一些還是保存在家屬那一邊他們用他們的庫房再保存我們付錢這樣子\n754525\t761950\t好 那就期待明年再續編把這個先行規劃再把它做好是好 謝謝部長 謝謝董事長 謝謝謝謝主席好 我們再來請郭育晴委員謝謝主席 有請部長好 有請李部長\n","txt":"首先請登記發言第一位林一綺委員謝謝 謝謝主席有請李遠部長跟公共電視胡元輝董事長請部長 董事長\n委員好部長好進入質詢前我想首先還是要跟大家說明一下為什麼本週的議程直到禮拜一才終於正式決定那這其實就跟黨團簽預算解斷不附議同意書的進度有關那本來預期上週五就能確定各黨的同意可以同意\n解凍案的那個不復翼那畢竟早日審查這個解凍案其實是大家的共識那民進黨當然沒有反對的理由那同時也是國民黨在本會期每次質詢都強烈要求你們要趕快送出這個解凍案的那可是在國民黨上個禮拜五下班後才簽出不復翼的同意書那\n這個禮拜一又把不附議書抽回那直到昨天教委會才正式收到公文說他們同意不附議的同意書所以確定這個今天可以來解凍文化部的預算其實是考量到諸多的不確定性那所以本席才會用這個黃牛的專報來當預備的議程我想透過這個機會跟大家說明一下\n文化部我們的預算解凍案49案那其中有29案就是要求提出書面報告20案是要提出專案報告那剛剛我們書面報告已經處理完畢那我們等一下來處理所謂的專案報告的部分\n那我想total剛剛部長也有報告我們這次的解凍案的總金額是34億其中有5億2400多萬是在委員會凍結的那其他的28億8千多萬是在院會被凍結的所以其實想到這個就覺得說其實我們\n今年度教育委員會在審查預算的時候其實我們是零案保留也就是說我們沒有一個任何的預算案是要進到協商程序那這是我們不分黨派所有教育委員會的最大的共識而且花了一整個會期努力的討論努力的這個大家研究之下的結果可是換句話說在院會被凍結將近29億的預算等於是\n這個被本委員會同意的那所以這個其實我們是覺得很當然對這個過程覺得很不滿那當然今天我們還是要呼籲一下我們一定要無條件攜手來支持這個解凍案全數可以解凍那第二點我是希望大家能考量是說文化部除了預算被凍結了34億另外我們還被刪掉11億那\n不只文化部的宣傳費被刪掉作為第四權的公共電視喔台灣Plus也被刪了2.4億那中央社也被刪了1600萬喔所以連最基本的文化部的事務費、旅費、水電費這些行政的必要資源也都被刪了5.9億所以今天處理的解凍案其實就算是委員會\n解凍的部分我們也希望說大家能夠評估綜合評估我國這個文化預算的整體損失然後做最大程度的給予解凍因為其實也是解一時的燃眉之急而已好 那我想針對剛剛部長其實當然也有提到說在報告有提到說今天面對這樣的解凍的那個態度是不是你再請你說明一下跟所有委員做一些呼籲關於今天的解凍案\n謝謝委員其實我剛一直強調本來我們在我們的委員會裡只被三兩千萬然後動五億左右我本來以為這樣子一個是蠻合理的後來得到這樣一個結果那其實這個結果對我們來講影響太大譬如說我們每一個管所他的錢都用在一些像業務費這種都是一個水電清潔保全景觀等等還有\n我們很多的錢如果在不解凍的情況下在8月之後就完全沒有辦法營運了還有一些是跟國際簽約這些合約我們也沒辦法付款其實我講一個蠻實際的就是當我們被刪以後被凍以後其實我們有些活動已經透過企業募款才能夠出去因為\n所有的活動都從去年就開始簽約所以我們不可能等到錢下來所以我們開始跟企業募款包括在台中那個那一場那個跟龐貝都的一個展覽我們也是透過企業募款所以講到這裡我就覺得說我們大家都很努力所以請求大家一定要把這個這個錢要給我們不然我們八月份以後真的是會停擺\n當然啦剛剛部長有提到其實我們所有的這個所謂的文化部轄下的藝文管社也都被無差別凍結了30%那當然今天因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一一請這個藝文管社這些館長或主任上台那可是我想還是要請部長代表說明如果這30%的業務費沒有順利解凍的話那這些管社的影響部長\n其實每一個管事他都有一定的功能譬如說有一些是保存一些很重要的史料他需要的經費還有就是他每一檔每一檔的活動都排下去如果你這個錢不給的話我們那個檔可能要縮減然後對民眾來講他會覺得我們一直在變動其實說穿了\n文化部的預算非常的緊他每一筆錢都用在剛剛好所以而且全世界的國家都會把錢用在文化部所以為什麼我們這次文化部被砍這些錢或者凍這些錢整個文化界會覺得非常\n那個驚訝就是因為這個錢尤其是這些管所都分布在每一個縣市直接跟每一個地方上每一個人的禁用是切身關係的所以我剛才解釋了每一個管的要付的錢\n你聽起來好像說保全 清潔什麼要那麼少錢包括薪水 很多都是我們的外部人員基本的那個維勻費用啊對 這個都發不出來那我這樣講其實是真的所以希望大家給我們趕快過好 那我們再來先請教一下公共電視胡董事長\n就公共電視跟Town Plus的預算遭刪除跟凍結的數目相加總共有10億多想要請董事長說明就少了這些預算在目前為止在目前為止就你在媒體經營上遇到什麼樣的困難跟挑戰還有就是另外就你服務與這個媒體跟學業的學界的專業也請你說明一下就什麼叫做政治與媒體互動的必據原則\n謝謝委員的關心這一次我們在凍結的部分台灣Plus大概有四億三千多萬那麼在公視小公視還有台語台的部分大概凍結了有六億三千多萬那這些比例呢事實上對我們影響是很大的\n那以舉例來講我們幾乎所有要新開發的項目因為這樣的凍結我們都很多都已經把它暫停或者取消那對立場的業務來講其實它會構成很大的一個影響就是說我們很多的作業您知道影視的產品它是分年期在進行\n所以我們對於在未來要如何進行下一期的作為我們都非常謹慎所以這一塊我們要小心那有關於這個必據原則的部分謝謝委員的關心那當然在一般運用到媒體領域最簡單的說法就是因為媒體跟政治力的關係非常密切但是因為這樣的密切所以它需要\n政府對於媒體有一定的尊重跟這個保障他的自由所以在這個角度上來講就好像類似我們的幣手幣看起來就幣巨之搖但事實上他一定要有這樣的一個距離來保持政治跟媒體之間敏感的那種微妙關係對公共電視來講尤其如此因為任何一個作業的\n副作用它是很微妙的所以這種政治上的BG原則對我們來講也是全球民主國家的公共媒體都在重視的一個基本原則跟慧恩報告一下好 謝謝董事長的說明所以就是說其實這個不能用政治去干涉剛剛部長在報告的時候也有說就不能用政治去干涉我們這個G要怎麼樣做這個G不能這樣做 對不對\n這個某個程度就是說我們媒體跟戲劇這個的角色是這樣就是說政治跟媒體其實這個距離其實就是一個手臂的距離可是這個手臂的距離雖然不長可是它確實是有一定的距離對不對\n其實自從黨政軍退出媒體之後我個人在這些年當評審從來沒有人干預過要選哪一部或者怎樣新聞要怎麼報這點外界一直誤會我們這點做得非常好\n就至少我個人的經驗從來沒有干預過任何一個戲任何一則新聞我實際上在最後才看到哪些戲要拍通過了我們的補助等等這點是我在這裡保證我們其實這方面從戒嚴以後解除戒嚴以後走到今天算是一個自由民主的國家所有的媒體都謹守分寸文化部也絕對謹守分寸不會去干預到跟政治意識形態等等都不會干預\n所以因為這樣被成為凍結的理由其實我們會覺得其實是非常的不合理啦好 另外30秒的時間不好意思就是說跟部長討論的是說在台南喔這個國家美術館籌備處揭牌的那天我們包括陳承波啊\n郭雪狐在內很多台灣的前輩藝術家的後代都有共同簽署這些前輩藝術家的作品的捐贈的這個典藏的意象那其實這是台南人的榮幸也是台灣人的幸福喔那可是我們現在遇到一個很嚴重的問題是說就典藏空間不足那新成立的這個台南國家美術館的庫房其實非常的不足\n所以我們為了解決這個問題文化部有決定要在台南首府大學的這個退場的這個校地要興建一個聯航聯合的典藏中心那也編了一筆預算總共一億多那可是要做清洗的規劃可是這個一億多現在被全部刪掉那請問部長因為面對這些珍貴的藝術品那這個經費又被刪掉那你打算要怎麼因應的怎麼解決這點其實我們很著急因為\n很多很多前輩藝術家都在這幾年宣布他們願意把他的後代願意把他的父母親啊或者祖父母的精彩作品捐給我們我們必須有責任保存所以我們其實如果還沒有南北館之前我們就不太夠\n然後每蓋一個這個管設要非常長的時間規劃到設計到蓋那這點真的是我們心裡很著急只能去盤點現在現有的空間看能不能夠保存或者甚至於有一些還是保存在家屬那一邊他們用他們的庫房再保存我們付錢這樣子\n好 那就期待明年再續編把這個先行規劃再把它做好是好 謝謝部長 謝謝董事長 謝謝謝謝主席好 我們再來請郭育晴委員謝謝主席 有請部長好 有請李部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.632 --> 00:14.438\n首先請登記發言第一位林一綺委員謝謝謝謝主席有請李遠部長跟公共電視胡元輝董事長請部長董事長\n\n00:25.140 --> 00:48.107\n委員好部長好進入質詢前我想首先還是要跟大家說明一下為什麼本週的議程直到禮拜一才終於正式決定那這其實就跟黨團簽預算解斷不附議同意書的進度有關那本來預期上週五就能確定各黨的同意可以同意\n\n00:48.687 --> 01:13.677\n解凍案的那個不復翼那畢竟早日審查這個解凍案其實是大家的共識那民進黨當然沒有反對的理由那同時也是國民黨在本會期每次質詢都強烈要求你們要趕快送出這個解凍案的那可是在國民黨上個禮拜五下班後才簽出不復翼的同意書那\n\n01:17.297 --> 01:40.726\n這個禮拜一又把不附議書抽回那直到昨天教委會才正式收到公文說他們同意不附議的同意書所以確定這個今天可以來解凍文化部的預算其實是考量到諸多的不確定性那所以本席才會用這個黃牛的專報來當預備的議程我想透過這個機會跟大家說明一下\n\n01:45.247 --> 02:02.064\n文化部我們的預算解凍案49案那其中有29案就是要求提出書面報告20案是要提出專案報告那剛剛我們書面報告已經處理完畢那我們等一下來處理所謂的專案報告的部分\n\n02:02.745 --> 02:22.963\n那我想total剛剛部長也有報告我們這次的解凍案的總金額是34億其中有5億2400多萬是在委員會凍結的那其他的28億8千多萬是在院會被凍結的所以其實想到這個就覺得說其實我們\n\n02:24.707 --> 02:50.364\n今年度教育委員會在審查預算的時候其實我們是零案保留也就是說我們沒有一個任何的預算案是要進到協商程序那這是我們不分黨派所有教育委員會的最大的共識而且花了一整個會期努力的討論努力的這個大家研究之下的結果可是換句話說在院會被凍結將近29億的預算等於是\n\n02:55.387 --> 03:20.078\n這個被本委員會同意的那所以這個其實我們是覺得很當然對這個過程覺得很不滿那當然今天我們還是要呼籲一下我們一定要無條件攜手來支持這個解凍案全數可以解凍那第二點我是希望大家能考量是說文化部除了預算被凍結了34億另外我們還被刪掉11億那\n\n03:22.319 --> 03:47.079\n不只文化部的宣傳費被刪掉作為第四權的公共電視喔台灣Plus也被刪了2.4億那中央社也被刪了1600萬喔所以連最基本的文化部的事務費、旅費、水電費這些行政的必要資源也都被刪了5.9億所以今天處理的解凍案其實就算是委員會\n\n03:48.160 --> 04:17.310\n解凍的部分我們也希望說大家能夠評估綜合評估我國這個文化預算的整體損失然後做最大程度的給予解凍因為其實也是解一時的燃眉之急而已好那我想針對剛剛部長其實當然也有提到說在報告有提到說今天面對這樣的解凍的那個態度是不是你再請你說明一下跟所有委員做一些呼籲關於今天的解凍案\n\n04:20.475 --> 04:44.220\n謝謝委員其實我剛一直強調本來我們在我們的委員會裡只被三兩千萬然後動五億左右我本來以為這樣子一個是蠻合理的後來得到這樣一個結果那其實這個結果對我們來講影響太大譬如說我們每一個管所他的錢都用在一些像業務費這種都是一個水電清潔保全景觀等等還有\n\n04:45.020 --> 05:09.603\n我們很多的錢如果在不解凍的情況下在8月之後就完全沒有辦法營運了還有一些是跟國際簽約這些合約我們也沒辦法付款其實我講一個蠻實際的就是當我們被刪以後被凍以後其實我們有些活動已經透過企業募款才能夠出去因為\n\n05:10.911 --> 05:34.996\n所有的活動都從去年就開始簽約所以我們不可能等到錢下來所以我們開始跟企業募款包括在台中那個那一場那個跟龐貝都的一個展覽我們也是透過企業募款所以講到這裡我就覺得說我們大家都很努力所以請求大家一定要把這個這個錢要給我們不然我們八月份以後真的是會停擺\n\n05:36.383 --> 06:03.462\n當然啦剛剛部長有提到其實我們所有的這個所謂的文化部轄下的藝文管社也都被無差別凍結了30%那當然今天因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一一請這個藝文管社這些館長或主任上台那可是我想還是要請部長代表說明如果這30%的業務費沒有順利解凍的話那這些管社的影響部長\n\n06:05.765 --> 06:23.005\n其實每一個管事他都有一定的功能譬如說有一些是保存一些很重要的史料他需要的經費還有就是他每一檔每一檔的活動都排下去如果你這個錢不給的話我們那個檔可能要縮減然後對民眾來講他會覺得我們一直在變動其實說穿了\n\n06:27.591 --> 06:42.096\n文化部的預算非常的緊他每一筆錢都用在剛剛好所以而且全世界的國家都會把錢用在文化部所以為什麼我們這次文化部被砍這些錢或者凍這些錢整個文化界會覺得非常\n\n06:42.987 --> 06:59.247\n那個驚訝就是因為這個錢尤其是這些管所都分布在每一個縣市直接跟每一個地方上每一個人的禁用是切身關係的所以我剛才解釋了每一個管的要付的錢\n\n07:00.589 --> 07:09.475\n你聽起來好像說保全清潔什麼要那麼少錢包括薪水很多都是我們的外部人員基本的那個維勻費用啊對這個都發不出來那我這樣講其實是真的所以希望大家給我們趕快過好那我們再來先請教一下公共電視胡董事長\n\n07:18.061 --> 07:44.928\n就公共電視跟TownPlus的預算遭刪除跟凍結的數目相加總共有10億多想要請董事長說明就少了這些預算在目前為止在目前為止就你在媒體經營上遇到什麼樣的困難跟挑戰還有就是另外就你服務與這個媒體跟學業的學界的專業也請你說明一下就什麼叫做政治與媒體互動的必據原則\n\n07:48.157 --> 08:07.942\n謝謝委員的關心這一次我們在凍結的部分台灣Plus大概有四億三千多萬那麼在公視小公視還有台語台的部分大概凍結了有六億三千多萬那這些比例呢事實上對我們影響是很大的\n\n08:08.402 --> 08:26.350\n那以舉例來講我們幾乎所有要新開發的項目因為這樣的凍結我們都很多都已經把它暫停或者取消那對立場的業務來講其實它會構成很大的一個影響就是說我們很多的作業您知道影視的產品它是分年期在進行\n\n08:27.190 --> 08:49.231\n所以我們對於在未來要如何進行下一期的作為我們都非常謹慎所以這一塊我們要小心那有關於這個必據原則的部分謝謝委員的關心那當然在一般運用到媒體領域最簡單的說法就是因為媒體跟政治力的關係非常密切但是因為這樣的密切所以它需要\n\n08:49.952 --> 09:11.065\n政府對於媒體有一定的尊重跟這個保障他的自由所以在這個角度上來講就好像類似我們的幣手幣看起來就幣巨之搖但事實上他一定要有這樣的一個距離來保持政治跟媒體之間敏感的那種微妙關係對公共電視來講尤其如此因為任何一個作業的\n\n09:12.066 --> 09:37.506\n副作用它是很微妙的所以這種政治上的BG原則對我們來講也是全球民主國家的公共媒體都在重視的一個基本原則跟慧恩報告一下好謝謝董事長的說明所以就是說其實這個不能用政治去干涉剛剛部長在報告的時候也有說就不能用政治去干涉我們這個G要怎麼樣做這個G不能這樣做對不對\n\n09:40.049 --> 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