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00:00:22,870\n黃牛上面的一個問題是否有所謂的境外的中資要透過港澳的空殼公司來到台灣來主辦相關的一些藝文的活動因為這一陣子我們接收到不少的相關的一些陳情我們當然也會擔心像類似這樣子的一些藝文活動它會有所謂的壟斷票源規避法規\n\n2\n00:00:25,092 --> 00:00:40,056\n甚至會破壞我們對於這個文化的治理跟消費者權益一些重大的一些漏洞啦那當然我們接獲到他們的成形是以近期喔就是這個LingOm的這個見面會為例那他的主辦單位是超級娛樂澳門文化傳播有限公司那這個活動呢他也宣布是在5月10號禮拜六才要在台灣正式來做這個售票喔\n\n3\n00:00:50,638 --> 00:01:09,985\n但是目前其實在網路上我們已經看到有很多的中國相關的一些境外的平台已經在預售大量的高價的票券甚至還可以附加選位或者是加價的一個服務那這樣子的一個做法其實是完全跳過台灣的票務的系統跟管道啦\n\n4\n00:01:10,385 --> 00:01:31,456\n那我想這是不是也會讓這個文化部原本應該有的所謂的監管的這樣子的一個功能會失去這樣子的效果那講白一點就是消費者其實他沒有的選擇那也沒有辦法保障自己的一個權益那我們的藝文產業是不是也有可能被這樣子的一個境外的資本牽著鼻子走那這是我們比較擔心的\n\n5\n00:01:32,276 --> 00:01:42,010\n過去其實我們碰到一些黃牛的部分大部分是用搶票的程式搶票的程式然後再來再釋放到網路上去做這樣子的一個轉賣但目前呢\n\n6\n00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:59,447\n我們都是用這個文創法的第十條之一來處罰跟開罰但是效果當然是有但畢竟還是抓到的部分可能還是有限那以我剛剛講的這個目前5月10號即將要來做這個見面會的這個售票的這樣子的一個狀況它如果它的操作是完全發生在境外我們是根本監管不到那如果發生了所謂的消費者的一些糾紛\n\n7\n00:02:14,394 --> 00:02:42,893\n會不會也申訴沒有任何的管道沒有任何的保障這形同權益都是真空的一個狀態我們知道其實文化部從去年的12月開始我們就要推廣所謂的票券的實名制也跟六都有開過會議但針對萬人以上的一些大型的活動來做相關的一些補助但如果從這一次的事件來看針對境外主辦繞過正規的售票甚至大規模的黃牛化的一個行為\n\n8\n00:02:43,873 --> 00:02:59,751\n我们文化部要怎么正视这个问题我们怎么补上这个缺口那将来是不是也会主动跟这个投审会还有陆委会来成立跨部门的一个集合的一个机制请教部长好谢谢委员问这个问题因为基本上\n\n9\n00:03:01,910 --> 00:03:13,722\n這個這次的事件真的是的確在過去沒有發生過我們也展開非常清楚的去了解像那個易上有限公司他本身是在台灣負責一些活動\n\n10\n00:03:15,623 --> 00:03:41,955\n然後另外那一家超級娛樂它是一個澳門公司它負責在境外負責找一些藝人的聯絡所以我們就去找經濟部來詢問超級娛樂並沒有在台灣設立分公司或子公司也沒有辦法得到它的股權結構所以它本身在台灣是不能經營這個的那根據我們這個文創法第十條之一我們文化部所管轄的這個\n\n11\n00:03:44,110 --> 00:03:48,296\n活動是非常具體的定義在有音樂戲劇舞蹈\n\n12\n00:03:50,632 --> 00:04:16,076\n這些形式的表演中間發生這種黃牛事件那這些事情我想委員知道我們這些年來已經花了很大力氣在阻止這個事情所以部長的意思是說在台灣正式售票是由益尚公司來做主導那也就是說現在目前粉絲在網路上看到的境外的售票的部分是不受保障的是這意思嗎\n\n13\n00:04:17,737 --> 00:04:39,331\n應該這樣講因為我們對於藝術公司在這邊辦這個活動見面會也好其他會也好我們可能要呼籲網路上叫大家不要去買這個網路上販售不明票券可能會是一個詐欺之外我們還有一個社會秩序維護法可以用來作為一個消費者權益的保障\n\n14\n00:04:40,250 --> 00:05:02,218\n那至於環牛票本身的檢舉案我們會看他這個個案來處理不過委員問到這個問題我覺得的確是一個灰色地帶因為我們不知道就是剛剛我所提到的這個超級娛樂澳門文化傳播公司雖然這個藝商公司是跟我們文化部來提及這個屬於澳門就是剛剛講的這個超級娛樂\n\n15\n00:05:04,179 --> 00:05:28,925\n他雖然沒有介入到票券的一個處理他是處理藝人的部分但我們怎麼知道說藝商公司跟這間公司有沒有相關聯性在網路上來做直接黃牛就直接檯面化了啦這個部分我們是不是應該要更嚴謹的去查核然後再來剛剛有提到所謂的粉絲見面會喔或者是我們現在其實規範的其實沒有包含粉絲見面會但是這個沒有見\n\n16\n00:05:30,925 --> 00:05:51,267\n但這個其實是蠻大的一塊需要被約束需要被查核的一塊我們的法規是不是應該文傳法要把這個類的部分的藝文的相關的表演的活動因為粉絲見面會當中其實還是會有表演的性質在裡面這個部分是不是應該之後也要與時俱進的一個來修法\n\n17\n00:05:53,417 --> 00:06:19,129\n當初我們設立文創法其實是本來是都是在鼓勵文創事業後來是因為黃流發生之後把它定在十條之一但是我剛剛有提到我們一直侷限在音樂戲劇舞蹈的正式表演那剛剛衍生出來非常多為了要吸引粉絲的見面會啊簽名會啊或者怎樣怎樣這些可能是社會秩序維護法之外我想我們\n\n18\n00:06:20,009 --> 00:06:27,055\n因為我們也擔心這些所謂的有中資背景的一些平台他們其實是會繞道來做操作等於是他們繞道做這個所謂的票券上的一個販賣的一個銷售掌控的一個操作所以這個部分這個灰色地帶我們想這個文化部可能我們還要再加把勁來杜絕\n\n19\n00:06:38,144 --> 00:06:52,472\n也就是說來保障更多的消費者的權益因為可想而知就算他是5月10號開始正式由這個藝商公司來做開賣的一個動作但可能在之前已經有很多人是在網路上用加價的方式來選位來做這樣子的一個\n\n20\n00:06:55,373 --> 00:07:14,599\n到時候如果真的產生所謂的消費者的糾紛那這個意商公司他可能講說這個不關我管啊這個其實是境外的這個公司的問題啊是你自己活該上當啊那如果這樣子的話其實在法規上的規避我們其實無法可管的一個情況之下其實就有可能會發生很多類似的糾紛這個部分我們文化部再來研議好嗎\n\n21\n00:07:15,564 --> 00:07:21,231\n沒問題我們再來去演繹像他這樣的行為好那這個時間有限我想這個最新的一個媒體報導就是川普他再次的拋出相當強硬的一個政策就主張對所謂的境外製作的一個電影要苛徵百分之百的一個關稅來保護好萊塢跟這個美國本土的一些內容的產業\n\n22\n00:07:36,588 --> 00:07:58,898\n但針對這一點我們有沒有因應的方法因為現在其實有很多的台灣的一些戲劇的一些作品或者是影音上的一個作品其實我們都是到美國去取景或者是跟美國相關的一些合作跟發行那也有很多部的戲劇或者是類似的這樣子的一個作品是跟這個ODT平台來做合作那如果說這類的作品將來也可能會面臨到這個部分的一個課稅的重稅的部分\n\n23\n00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:19,650\n會不會失去國際的競爭力我們有沒有因應之道其實基本上美國電影來台灣的比例遠遠高過我們台灣電影去美國的比例我們大概這五年大概只有五部電影去到美國但是未來的確會有很多國際合作\n\n24\n00:08:21,611 --> 00:08:34,008\n還有就是剛剛講OTT才是更嚴重比如Netflix它大部分都是在國外拍那我們已經其實我們這幾天已經進行了一個重新盤點所有未來的可能因為川普講這個100%之後他\n\n25\n00:08:36,511 --> 00:09:04,690\n附帶的其他細節包括OTT或者是合拍等等他還沒有講出來但是我想我們整個文化部因為不只是在那邊拍才叫做這個作品他有可能有很多的後製有可能很多的其他的部分其實都是在那個地方做的包括動畫在台灣後製也蠻多所以剛剛委員講的這些東西我們已經在盤點各單位我們自己部門未來萬一有新的狀況發生我們有些因應之道\n\n26\n00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:19,259\n所以其實如果我們現在開始來做盤點其實也不能做個靜觀其變因為我們永遠趕不上這個川普他隨時說的這些變化所以可能要隨時都要ready好隨時準備好好那今天因為時間的關係就問到這裡謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n349\t22870\t黃牛上面的一個問題是否有所謂的境外的中資要透過港澳的空殼公司來到台灣來主辦相關的一些藝文的活動因為這一陣子我們接收到不少的相關的一些陳情我們當然也會擔心像類似這樣子的一些藝文活動它會有所謂的壟斷票源 規避法規\n25092\t40056\t甚至會破壞我們對於這個文化的治理跟消費者權益一些重大的一些漏洞啦那當然我們接獲到他們的成形是以近期喔就是這個Ling Om的這個見面會為例那他的主辦單位是超級娛樂澳門文化傳播有限公司那這個活動呢他也宣布是在5月10號禮拜六才要在台灣正式來做這個售票喔\n50638\t69985\t但是目前其實在網路上我們已經看到有很多的中國相關的一些境外的平台已經在預售大量的高價的票券甚至還可以附加選位或者是加價的一個服務那這樣子的一個做法其實是完全跳過台灣的票務的系統跟管道啦\n70385\t91456\t那我想這是不是也會讓這個文化部原本應該有的所謂的監管的這樣子的一個功能會失去這樣子的效果那講白一點就是消費者其實他沒有的選擇那也沒有辦法保障自己的一個權益那我們的藝文產業是不是也有可能被這樣子的一個境外的資本牽著鼻子走那這是我們比較擔心的\n92276\t102010\t過去其實我們碰到一些黃牛的部分大部分是用搶票的程式搶票的程式然後再來再釋放到網路上去做這樣子的一個轉賣但目前呢\n104520\t119447\t我們都是用這個文創法的第十條之一來處罰跟開罰但是效果當然是有但畢竟還是抓到的部分可能還是有限那以我剛剛講的這個目前5月10號即將要來做這個見面會的這個售票的這樣子的一個狀況它如果它的操作是完全發生在境外我們是根本監管不到那如果發生了所謂的消費者的一些糾紛\n134394\t162893\t會不會也申訴沒有任何的管道沒有任何的保障這形同權益都是真空的一個狀態我們知道其實文化部從去年的12月開始我們就要推廣所謂的票券的實名制也跟六都有開過會議但針對萬人以上的一些大型的活動來做相關的一些補助但如果從這一次的事件來看針對境外主辦繞過正規的售票甚至大規模的黃牛化的一個行為\n163873\t179751\t我们文化部要怎么正视这个问题我们怎么补上这个缺口那将来是不是也会主动跟这个投审会还有陆委会来成立跨部门的一个集合的一个机制请教部长好 谢谢委员问这个问题因为基本上\n181910\t193722\t這個這次的事件真的是的確在過去沒有發生過我們也展開非常清楚的去了解像那個易上有限公司他本身是在台灣負責一些活動\n195623\t221955\t然後另外那一家超級娛樂它是一個澳門公司它負責在境外負責找一些藝人的聯絡所以我們就去找經濟部來詢問超級娛樂並沒有在台灣設立分公司或子公司也沒有辦法得到它的股權結構所以它本身在台灣是不能經營這個的那根據我們這個文創法第十條之一我們文化部所管轄的這個\n224110\t228296\t活動是非常具體的定義在有音樂戲劇舞蹈\n230632\t256076\t這些形式的表演中間發生這種黃牛事件那這些事情我想委員知道我們這些年來已經花了很大力氣在阻止這個事情所以部長的意思是說在台灣正式售票是由益尚公司來做主導那也就是說現在目前粉絲在網路上看到的境外的售票的部分是不受保障的是這意思嗎\n257737\t279331\t應該這樣講 因為我們對於藝術公司在這邊辦這個活動見面會也好 其他會也好我們可能要呼籲網路上叫大家不要去買這個網路上販售不明票券可能會是一個詐欺之外我們還有一個社會秩序維護法可以用來作為一個消費者權益的保障\n280250\t302218\t那至於環牛票本身的檢舉案我們會看他這個個案來處理不過委員問到這個問題我覺得的確是一個灰色地帶因為我們不知道就是剛剛我所提到的這個超級娛樂澳門文化傳播公司雖然這個藝商公司是跟我們文化部來提及這個屬於澳門就是剛剛講的這個超級娛樂\n304179\t328925\t他雖然沒有介入到票券的一個處理他是處理藝人的部分但我們怎麼知道說藝商公司跟這間公司有沒有相關聯性在網路上來做直接黃牛就直接檯面化了啦這個部分我們是不是應該要更嚴謹的去查核然後再來剛剛有提到所謂的粉絲見面會喔或者是我們現在其實規範的其實沒有包含粉絲見面會但是這個沒有見\n330925\t351267\t但這個其實是蠻大的一塊需要被約束需要被查核的一塊我們的法規是不是應該文傳法要把這個類的部分的藝文的相關的表演的活動因為粉絲見面會當中其實還是會有表演的性質在裡面這個部分是不是應該之後也要與時俱進的一個來修法\n353417\t379129\t當初我們設立文創法其實是本來是都是在鼓勵文創事業後來是因為黃流發生之後把它定在十條之一但是我剛剛有提到我們一直侷限在音樂戲劇舞蹈的正式表演那剛剛衍生出來非常多為了要吸引粉絲的見面會啊簽名會啊或者怎樣怎樣這些可能是社會秩序維護法之外我想我們\n380009\t387055\t因為我們也擔心這些所謂的有中資背景的一些平台他們其實是會繞道來做操作等於是他們繞道做這個所謂的票券上的一個販賣的一個銷售掌控的一個操作所以這個部分這個灰色地帶我們想這個文化部可能我們還要再加把勁來杜絕\n398144\t412472\t也就是說來保障更多的消費者的權益因為可想而知就算他是5月10號開始正式由這個藝商公司來做開賣的一個動作但可能在之前已經有很多人是在網路上用加價的方式來選位來做這樣子的一個\n415373\t434599\t到時候如果真的產生所謂的消費者的糾紛那這個意商公司他可能講說這個不關我管啊這個其實是境外的這個公司的問題啊是你自己活該上當啊那如果這樣子的話其實在法規上的規避我們其實無法可管的一個情況之下其實就有可能會發生很多類似的糾紛這個部分我們文化部再來研議好嗎\n435564\t441231\t沒問題 我們再來去演繹像他這樣的行為好 那這個時間有限我想這個最新的一個媒體報導就是川普他再次的拋出相當強硬的一個政策就主張對所謂的境外製作的一個電影要苛徵百分之百的一個關稅來保護好萊塢跟這個美國本土的一些內容的產業\n456588\t478898\t但針對這一點我們有沒有因應的方法因為現在其實有很多的台灣的一些戲劇的一些作品或者是影音上的一個作品其實我們都是到美國去取景或者是跟美國相關的一些合作跟發行那也有很多部的戲劇或者是類似的這樣子的一個作品是跟這個ODT平台來做合作那如果說這類的作品將來也可能會面臨到這個部分的一個課稅的重稅的部分\n484640\t499650\t會不會失去國際的競爭力我們有沒有因應之道其實基本上美國電影來台灣的比例遠遠高過我們台灣電影去美國的比例我們大概這五年大概只有五部電影去到美國但是未來的確會有很多國際合作\n501611\t514008\t還有就是剛剛講OTT才是更嚴重比如Netflix它大部分都是在國外拍那我們已經其實我們這幾天已經進行了一個重新盤點所有未來的可能因為川普講這個100%之後他\n516511\t544690\t附帶的其他細節包括OTT或者是合拍等等他還沒有講出來但是我想我們整個文化部因為不只是在那邊拍才叫做這個作品他有可能有很多的後製有可能很多的其他的部分其實都是在那個地方做的包括動畫在台灣後製也蠻多所以剛剛委員講的這些東西我們已經在盤點各單位我們自己部門未來萬一有新的狀況發生我們有些因應之道\n545660\t559259\t所以其實如果我們現在開始來做盤點其實也不能做個靜觀其變因為我們永遠趕不上這個川普他隨時說的這些變化所以可能要隨時都要ready好隨時準備好好那今天因為時間的關係就問到這裡謝謝\n","txt":"黃牛上面的一個問題是否有所謂的境外的中資要透過港澳的空殼公司來到台灣來主辦相關的一些藝文的活動因為這一陣子我們接收到不少的相關的一些陳情我們當然也會擔心像類似這樣子的一些藝文活動它會有所謂的壟斷票源 規避法規\n甚至會破壞我們對於這個文化的治理跟消費者權益一些重大的一些漏洞啦那當然我們接獲到他們的成形是以近期喔就是這個Ling Om的這個見面會為例那他的主辦單位是超級娛樂澳門文化傳播有限公司那這個活動呢他也宣布是在5月10號禮拜六才要在台灣正式來做這個售票喔\n但是目前其實在網路上我們已經看到有很多的中國相關的一些境外的平台已經在預售大量的高價的票券甚至還可以附加選位或者是加價的一個服務那這樣子的一個做法其實是完全跳過台灣的票務的系統跟管道啦\n那我想這是不是也會讓這個文化部原本應該有的所謂的監管的這樣子的一個功能會失去這樣子的效果那講白一點就是消費者其實他沒有的選擇那也沒有辦法保障自己的一個權益那我們的藝文產業是不是也有可能被這樣子的一個境外的資本牽著鼻子走那這是我們比較擔心的\n過去其實我們碰到一些黃牛的部分大部分是用搶票的程式搶票的程式然後再來再釋放到網路上去做這樣子的一個轉賣但目前呢\n我們都是用這個文創法的第十條之一來處罰跟開罰但是效果當然是有但畢竟還是抓到的部分可能還是有限那以我剛剛講的這個目前5月10號即將要來做這個見面會的這個售票的這樣子的一個狀況它如果它的操作是完全發生在境外我們是根本監管不到那如果發生了所謂的消費者的一些糾紛\n會不會也申訴沒有任何的管道沒有任何的保障這形同權益都是真空的一個狀態我們知道其實文化部從去年的12月開始我們就要推廣所謂的票券的實名制也跟六都有開過會議但針對萬人以上的一些大型的活動來做相關的一些補助但如果從這一次的事件來看針對境外主辦繞過正規的售票甚至大規模的黃牛化的一個行為\n我们文化部要怎么正视这个问题我们怎么补上这个缺口那将来是不是也会主动跟这个投审会还有陆委会来成立跨部门的一个集合的一个机制请教部长好 谢谢委员问这个问题因为基本上\n這個這次的事件真的是的確在過去沒有發生過我們也展開非常清楚的去了解像那個易上有限公司他本身是在台灣負責一些活動\n然後另外那一家超級娛樂它是一個澳門公司它負責在境外負責找一些藝人的聯絡所以我們就去找經濟部來詢問超級娛樂並沒有在台灣設立分公司或子公司也沒有辦法得到它的股權結構所以它本身在台灣是不能經營這個的那根據我們這個文創法第十條之一我們文化部所管轄的這個\n活動是非常具體的定義在有音樂戲劇舞蹈\n這些形式的表演中間發生這種黃牛事件那這些事情我想委員知道我們這些年來已經花了很大力氣在阻止這個事情所以部長的意思是說在台灣正式售票是由益尚公司來做主導那也就是說現在目前粉絲在網路上看到的境外的售票的部分是不受保障的是這意思嗎\n應該這樣講 因為我們對於藝術公司在這邊辦這個活動見面會也好 其他會也好我們可能要呼籲網路上叫大家不要去買這個網路上販售不明票券可能會是一個詐欺之外我們還有一個社會秩序維護法可以用來作為一個消費者權益的保障\n那至於環牛票本身的檢舉案我們會看他這個個案來處理不過委員問到這個問題我覺得的確是一個灰色地帶因為我們不知道就是剛剛我所提到的這個超級娛樂澳門文化傳播公司雖然這個藝商公司是跟我們文化部來提及這個屬於澳門就是剛剛講的這個超級娛樂\n他雖然沒有介入到票券的一個處理他是處理藝人的部分但我們怎麼知道說藝商公司跟這間公司有沒有相關聯性在網路上來做直接黃牛就直接檯面化了啦這個部分我們是不是應該要更嚴謹的去查核然後再來剛剛有提到所謂的粉絲見面會喔或者是我們現在其實規範的其實沒有包含粉絲見面會但是這個沒有見\n但這個其實是蠻大的一塊需要被約束需要被查核的一塊我們的法規是不是應該文傳法要把這個類的部分的藝文的相關的表演的活動因為粉絲見面會當中其實還是會有表演的性質在裡面這個部分是不是應該之後也要與時俱進的一個來修法\n當初我們設立文創法其實是本來是都是在鼓勵文創事業後來是因為黃流發生之後把它定在十條之一但是我剛剛有提到我們一直侷限在音樂戲劇舞蹈的正式表演那剛剛衍生出來非常多為了要吸引粉絲的見面會啊簽名會啊或者怎樣怎樣這些可能是社會秩序維護法之外我想我們\n因為我們也擔心這些所謂的有中資背景的一些平台他們其實是會繞道來做操作等於是他們繞道做這個所謂的票券上的一個販賣的一個銷售掌控的一個操作所以這個部分這個灰色地帶我們想這個文化部可能我們還要再加把勁來杜絕\n也就是說來保障更多的消費者的權益因為可想而知就算他是5月10號開始正式由這個藝商公司來做開賣的一個動作但可能在之前已經有很多人是在網路上用加價的方式來選位來做這樣子的一個\n到時候如果真的產生所謂的消費者的糾紛那這個意商公司他可能講說這個不關我管啊這個其實是境外的這個公司的問題啊是你自己活該上當啊那如果這樣子的話其實在法規上的規避我們其實無法可管的一個情況之下其實就有可能會發生很多類似的糾紛這個部分我們文化部再來研議好嗎\n沒問題 我們再來去演繹像他這樣的行為好 那這個時間有限我想這個最新的一個媒體報導就是川普他再次的拋出相當強硬的一個政策就主張對所謂的境外製作的一個電影要苛徵百分之百的一個關稅來保護好萊塢跟這個美國本土的一些內容的產業\n但針對這一點我們有沒有因應的方法因為現在其實有很多的台灣的一些戲劇的一些作品或者是影音上的一個作品其實我們都是到美國去取景或者是跟美國相關的一些合作跟發行那也有很多部的戲劇或者是類似的這樣子的一個作品是跟這個ODT平台來做合作那如果說這類的作品將來也可能會面臨到這個部分的一個課稅的重稅的部分\n會不會失去國際的競爭力我們有沒有因應之道其實基本上美國電影來台灣的比例遠遠高過我們台灣電影去美國的比例我們大概這五年大概只有五部電影去到美國但是未來的確會有很多國際合作\n還有就是剛剛講OTT才是更嚴重比如Netflix它大部分都是在國外拍那我們已經其實我們這幾天已經進行了一個重新盤點所有未來的可能因為川普講這個100%之後他\n附帶的其他細節包括OTT或者是合拍等等他還沒有講出來但是我想我們整個文化部因為不只是在那邊拍才叫做這個作品他有可能有很多的後製有可能很多的其他的部分其實都是在那個地方做的包括動畫在台灣後製也蠻多所以剛剛委員講的這些東西我們已經在盤點各單位我們自己部門未來萬一有新的狀況發生我們有些因應之道\n所以其實如果我們現在開始來做盤點其實也不能做個靜觀其變因為我們永遠趕不上這個川普他隨時說的這些變化所以可能要隨時都要ready好隨時準備好好那今天因為時間的關係就問到這裡謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:22.870\n黃牛上面的一個問題是否有所謂的境外的中資要透過港澳的空殼公司來到台灣來主辦相關的一些藝文的活動因為這一陣子我們接收到不少的相關的一些陳情我們當然也會擔心像類似這樣子的一些藝文活動它會有所謂的壟斷票源規避法規\n\n00:25.092 --> 00:40.056\n甚至會破壞我們對於這個文化的治理跟消費者權益一些重大的一些漏洞啦那當然我們接獲到他們的成形是以近期喔就是這個LingOm的這個見面會為例那他的主辦單位是超級娛樂澳門文化傳播有限公司那這個活動呢他也宣布是在5月10號禮拜六才要在台灣正式來做這個售票喔\n\n00:50.638 --> 01:09.985\n但是目前其實在網路上我們已經看到有很多的中國相關的一些境外的平台已經在預售大量的高價的票券甚至還可以附加選位或者是加價的一個服務那這樣子的一個做法其實是完全跳過台灣的票務的系統跟管道啦\n\n01:10.385 --> 01:31.456\n那我想這是不是也會讓這個文化部原本應該有的所謂的監管的這樣子的一個功能會失去這樣子的效果那講白一點就是消費者其實他沒有的選擇那也沒有辦法保障自己的一個權益那我們的藝文產業是不是也有可能被這樣子的一個境外的資本牽著鼻子走那這是我們比較擔心的\n\n01:32.276 --> 01:42.010\n過去其實我們碰到一些黃牛的部分大部分是用搶票的程式搶票的程式然後再來再釋放到網路上去做這樣子的一個轉賣但目前呢\n\n01:44.520 --> 01:59.447\n我們都是用這個文創法的第十條之一來處罰跟開罰但是效果當然是有但畢竟還是抓到的部分可能還是有限那以我剛剛講的這個目前5月10號即將要來做這個見面會的這個售票的這樣子的一個狀況它如果它的操作是完全發生在境外我們是根本監管不到那如果發生了所謂的消費者的一些糾紛\n\n02:14.394 --> 02:42.893\n會不會也申訴沒有任何的管道沒有任何的保障這形同權益都是真空的一個狀態我們知道其實文化部從去年的12月開始我們就要推廣所謂的票券的實名制也跟六都有開過會議但針對萬人以上的一些大型的活動來做相關的一些補助但如果從這一次的事件來看針對境外主辦繞過正規的售票甚至大規模的黃牛化的一個行為\n\n02:43.873 --> 02:59.751\n我们文化部要怎么正视这个问题我们怎么补上这个缺口那将来是不是也会主动跟这个投审会还有陆委会来成立跨部门的一个集合的一个机制请教部长好谢谢委员问这个问题因为基本上\n\n03:01.910 --> 03:13.722\n這個這次的事件真的是的確在過去沒有發生過我們也展開非常清楚的去了解像那個易上有限公司他本身是在台灣負責一些活動\n\n03:15.623 --> 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