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00:00:33,578\n吳委員你好部長好國人呢對於黃牛票的查緝都相當的關心那我想請教部長因為依照我們文創法屬於文創產業的其實至少15項15項以上相當之廣泛現在有一種樣態是很多是國外的影集或電影的演員來台灣舉辦粉絲見面會像這樣類型的見面會屬不屬於是例如他是電影或電視產業相關的\n\n3\n00:00:49,884 --> 00:01:06,808\n你認為這一點我們完全釐清剛剛我也有講到文創法裡面限制要真正的表演舞蹈戲劇還有演唱會才歸文創法所管那你剛剛講到這種說見面會拍拍照\n\n4\n00:01:07,368 --> 00:01:26,294\n或者別的方式的見面他只能算是廠商在促銷增加他的粉絲的商業行為這真的不是屬於文化部的文篆法裡面規範的他應該是社會秩序維護法這點我們對文化部來講是非常清楚而具體的\n\n5\n00:01:27,076 --> 00:01:31,878\n這個呢我認為啦像針對這種影視電影的演員它相關衍生的這些活動裡面也包括有一些是表演我認為它屬不屬於我們文創法所歸納的範疇這應該是在文化部裁量認定的範圍之內也就是說法規並沒有限制但是在我們的裁量權之內所以我認為文化部應該要跟上時代\n\n6\n00:01:53,306 --> 00:01:59,047\n這種影視演員的粉絲見面會其實它數量越來越多尤其是很多是國外的特別來到台灣舉辦這對我們來講也是我們很重要的一個文創產業所以部長你知道最近有一個個案嗎這個個案現在就出現了有民眾發現可能疑似有黃牛票這樣的行為\n\n7\n00:02:17,532 --> 00:02:18,314\n部長你認為這能不能夠來未來研議納入我們文創法規範的範圍之內\n\n8\n00:02:23,939 --> 00:02:49,979\n目前我們的進度是按照原來的文創法裡面剛剛規定的是一定要有表演過程我剛剛一再強調音樂舞蹈等等要表演過程才屬於文創法但是如果剛剛委員講到那個現象我們也可以接受個案的檢舉來做判斷那至於要修文創法這件事情是知識非常體大因為我剛剛一再強調官司把黃流這件事情是是部長你聽清楚我剛剛講的\n\n9\n00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,984\n所以我認為目前其實按照既有法規我們在認定裁量上如你剛所說的依個案來看嘛它裡面如果確實有表演的活動行為我們就可以納入文創法來規範目的是什麼文創法當初的設立就是為了來能夠去防堵黃牛票對不對所以呢我希望文化部\n\n10\n00:03:11,616 --> 00:03:18,383\n可以按照現行文創法的法規更去仔細的去分析跟了解我們現在這種影視產業所衍生活動的樣態倘若是屬於我們文創法的範圍我們應當在有黃牛票一律的時候就要開始來關注部長這可不可以做到\n\n11\n00:03:31,215 --> 00:03:49,678\n環流票本身如果它是一個還是回到剛才那個三頁行為它自己有票捐的話它違反的不是我們文創法它違反的是它三頁行為我們可以接受個別檢舉在檢舉中我們再慢慢去了解這個算不算文創所以在個案的檢舉當中如果你們認定它裡面的這個活動確實屬於我們文創產業相關的母花不就可以來關注嗎是不是這個樣子如果說它跟那個\n\n12\n00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:14,253\n那我就告訴部長我希望未來這些個案你們不要說還沒有開始了解個案就直接說這不屬於文創法的範圍你必須要了解嘛如同剛剛部長所說那了解裡面的內容再來看是不是屬於文創法的範圍倘若屬於我們範圍文化部就當然要來專心好不好譬如說簽名會有沒有唱歌啊唱一首啊兩首啊等等我們會來了解我就是這個意思所以希望文化部要更廣泛跟細節的來了解\n\n13\n00:04:24,141 --> 00:04:42,980\n除了個案以外黃牛票的查緝文化部給我們數字今年三月底我們總共收到檢舉案件是將近一萬件那最後呢這個處於文創法管轄範圍又完備是兩千多件這個比例大概就是四分之一也就是說事件裡面有三件是不符合我們的範圍的\n\n14\n00:04:44,542 --> 00:04:56,565\n那這個不符合當中呢有很多最大宗的你們是認為說他的這個資料不完備不全啊這個部分我們在行政的措施上面能不能透過再來加強的宣導然後讓民眾提供完備的資料讓確實有收到黃牛票影響受害的個案他能夠有一個申訴的空間\n\n15\n00:05:09,540 --> 00:05:24,263\n你是說我們好像只能加強宣導對啊我的意思就是說我認為你們宣導不足啊就是在這一萬件裡面有這麼大量的都是因為資料不全所以根本沒有辦法申訴跟究竟\n\n16\n00:05:24,764 --> 00:05:34,950\n那這個當中有可能是可以救回來的個案有可能民眾是真的因為黃牛票而受害只是資料不全這部分我希望文化部跟我們地方政府可以再來加強好那關於這個預算的解凍案我們今天要處理的解凍案總共有49案\n\n17\n00:05:41,494 --> 00:05:58,525\n那我覺得呢其中最嚴重的是我們當時在委員會只刪除了兩千萬凍結了五億但是跑到院會去了之後凍結立刻膨脹到了六倍刪除更是這個膨脹的數字更是達數十倍這個我認為簡直是亂山亂洞一通\n\n18\n00:06:02,538 --> 00:06:06,781\n這樣子的結果其實等於我們委員會中心主義整個心痛虛設因為我們在委員會是經過仔細的來討論的其中我舉兩個最不合理的這個公視今年被凍結5億凍結理由是因為台灣plus\n\n19\n00:06:18,403 --> 00:06:46,965\n這個可以說是根本是走錯棚三錯筆動錯筆太陽PLUS有另外一筆預算那造成什麼的影響呢不只是公視台本身包括台語台小公視的營運一併受影響然後呢我們今年有一些新的節目新的動畫在預算解凍前到現在不敢來啟動那我們公視有很多相關的協力團隊例如跨年度的專案像什麼書畫等等這些到現在都受到影響那事實上真正到院會去\n\n20\n00:06:48,165 --> 00:07:02,294\n這個當時提案的委員是國民黨陳玉珍委員然後後來由國民黨黨團提案凍結事實上真正跟台灣安排是引以有相關的是另外一筆預算嘛是發展國際數位傳播嘛這怎麼會這個理由跟預算科目根本倒不起來這我覺得非常的可惡\n\n21\n00:07:03,214 --> 00:07:06,476\n不應該出現這種錯誤那真正在這筆預算呢原列是10億最後呢被刪減跟凍結加走是6億多也就是有7乘57乘5都是要刪凍造成什麼影響這個台灣PLUS本來是由公司跟文化部簽約嘛到現在簽約了沒有還沒\n\n22\n00:07:22,103 --> 00:07:29,065\n沒簽約會造成什麼影響台灣Plus不敢做新節目啊都還沒簽約怎麼去跟廠商簽約所以更不敢台灣Plus也不敢去找廠商不敢簽約然後呢這個我們每日台灣Plus總是要每日新聞常常新內容這些日常營運經費嘛結果甚至有由公視先行墊付的情況所以這個我認為立法院我們對於這個文化部預算尤其我剛剛覺得這兩筆我覺得最荒謬的\n\n23\n00:07:50,370 --> 00:08:09,691\n不成比例不合比例原則的煽動它造成的不是幾個數字的改變而是連日常的營運然後整個我們執行過去的這個節奏通通都受到影響今年已經過到五月了到現在今年度的計畫還沒有簽約\n\n24\n00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:36,021\n這可想而知受到的影響之大所以呢我希望台灣Plus它的定位目前是我們台灣唯一對國際發聲的全英語平台我個人也認為台灣Plus它有很多改進的空間但是我希望我們委員會在針對預算的動山的時候第一個理由跟預算科目至少要合一\n\n25\n00:08:37,102 --> 00:08:51,961\n怎麼會去出現理由根本跟預算科目不合的情況相當之荒謬對不起國人對我們的期待第二個要提出具體可改善的理由依我現在看到的情況去年對文化部這預算的動山造成的結果不是讓我們業務的\n\n26\n00:08:53,983 --> 00:09:03,670\n進步成長反而是造成我們業務的阻礙所以我希望文化部你們也有責任未來再加強跟立法院再加強跟國人的說明在預算審查的時候就不只要跟委員說明我期待你們在預算審查的期間就可以更積極的向社會來說明為什麼文化部需要這些預算我們打算為國家台灣帶來怎麼樣的文化的進步\n\n27\n00:09:21,121 --> 00:09:39,411\n不只跟委員說明要跟民眾說明因為他們是真正的民意不希望說之後再有已經預算被錯誤的被立法院動山之後社會才開始了解到原來我們哪些的文化預算已經遭受到災難性的動山好不好\n\n28\n00:09:41,801 --> 00:09:59,984\n委員說得非常好就是他三道的項目是不相同的那這個是非常荒謬的他去三道公共電視的所有頻道的錢你剛才講的就是真的最荒謬那我們文化部也努力的去跟所有本來對文化部\n\n29\n00:10:00,985 --> 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如同剛剛部長所說那了解裡面的內容再來看是不是屬於文創法的範圍倘若屬於我們範圍文化部就當然要來專心好不好譬如說簽名會有沒有唱歌啊唱一首啊兩首啊等等我們會來了解我就是這個意思所以希望文化部要更廣泛跟細節的來了解\n264141\t282980\t除了個案以外黃牛票的查緝文化部給我們數字今年三月底我們總共收到檢舉案件是將近一萬件那最後呢這個處於文創法管轄範圍又完備是兩千多件這個比例大概就是四分之一也就是說事件裡面有三件是不符合我們的範圍的\n284542\t296565\t那這個不符合當中呢有很多最大宗的你們是認為說他的這個資料不完備不全啊這個部分我們在行政的措施上面能不能透過再來加強的宣導然後讓民眾提供完備的資料讓確實有收到黃牛票影響受害的個案他能夠有一個申訴的空間\n309540\t324263\t你是說我們好像只能加強宣導對啊我的意思就是說我認為你們宣導不足啊就是在這一萬件裡面有這麼大量的都是因為資料不全所以根本沒有辦法申訴跟究竟\n324764\t334950\t那這個當中有可能是可以救回來的個案有可能民眾是真的因為黃牛票而受害只是資料不全這部分我希望文化部跟我們地方政府可以再來加強好 那關於這個預算的解凍案我們今天要處理的解凍案總共有49案\n341494\t358525\t那我覺得呢其中最嚴重的是我們當時在委員會只刪除了兩千萬凍結了五億但是跑到院會去了之後凍結立刻膨脹到了六倍刪除更是這個膨脹的數字更是達數十倍這個我認為簡直是亂山亂洞一通\n362538\t366781\t這樣子的結果其實等於我們委員會中心主義整個心痛虛設因為我們在委員會是經過仔細的來討論的其中我舉兩個最不合理的這個公視今年被凍結5億凍結理由是因為台灣plus\n378403\t406965\t這個可以說是根本是走錯棚三錯筆 動錯筆太陽PLUS有另外一筆預算那造成什麼的影響呢不只是公視台本身包括台語台小公視的營運一併受影響然後呢我們今年有一些新的節目新的動畫在預算解凍前到現在不敢來啟動那我們公視有很多相關的協力團隊例如跨年度的專案像什麼書畫等等這些到現在都受到影響那事實上真正到院會去\n408165\t422294\t這個當時提案的委員是國民黨陳玉珍委員然後後來由國民黨黨團提案 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好不好\n581801\t599984\t委員說得非常好就是他三道的項目是不相同的那這個是非常荒謬的他去三道公共電視的所有頻道的錢你剛才講的就是真的最荒謬那我們文化部也努力的去跟所有本來對文化部\n600985\t614302\t預算結構不太懂的民眾其實我非常努力的去解釋到底什麼是文化預算到底要怎麼用這點我們導致在這一次因為被刪減的這一次的機會 我們的確有努力對外宣導解釋\n617290\t641688\t是那我的期待就是未来我们可以在审查的期间在委员会审查期间我们可以再积极的跟民众来说明因为其实很多国人都相当关心我们的政府的预算到底是如何被运用他们也相当关心立委当然是要监督预算但是监督的理由要合理这是国人的标准所以我们可以更积极的向民众来说明好不好好谢谢好谢谢谢谢好谢谢谢谢吴佩奕\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我請文化部部長有請李部長\n吳委員你好部長好國人呢對於黃牛票的查緝都相當的關心那我想請教部長因為依照我們文創法屬於文創產業的其實至少15項15項以上相當之廣泛現在有一種樣態是很多是國外的影集或電影的演員來台灣舉辦粉絲見面會像這樣類型的見面會屬不屬於是例如他是電影或電視產業相關的\n你認為這一點我們完全釐清剛剛我也有講到文創法裡面限制要真正的表演舞蹈戲劇還有演唱會才歸文創法所管那你剛剛講到這種說見面會拍拍照\n或者別的方式的見面他只能算是廠商在促銷增加他的粉絲的商業行為這真的不是屬於文化部的文篆法裡面規範的他應該是社會秩序維護法這點我們對文化部來講是非常清楚而具體的\n這個呢 我認為啦像針對這種影視 電影的演員它相關衍生的這些活動裡面也包括有一些是表演我認為它屬不屬於我們文創法所歸納的範疇這應該是在文化部裁量認定的範圍之內也就是說法規並沒有限制但是在我們的裁量權之內所以我認為文化部應該要跟上時代\n這種影視演員的粉絲見面會其實它數量越來越多尤其是很多是國外的特別來到台灣舉辦這對我們來講也是我們很重要的一個文創產業所以部長你知道最近有一個個案嗎這個個案現在就出現了有民眾發現可能疑似有黃牛票這樣的行為\n部長你認為這能不能夠來未來研議納入我們文創法規範的範圍之內\n目前我們的進度是按照原來的文創法裡面剛剛規定的是一定要有表演過程我剛剛一再強調音樂舞蹈等等要表演過程才屬於文創法但是如果剛剛委員講到那個現象我們也可以接受個案的檢舉來做判斷那至於要修文創法這件事情是知識非常體大因為我剛剛一再強調官司把黃流這件事情是是部長你聽清楚我剛剛講的\n所以我認為目前其實按照既有法規我們在認定裁量上如你剛所說的依個案來看嘛它裡面如果確實有表演的活動行為我們就可以納入文創法來規範目的是什麼文創法當初的設立就是為了來能夠去防堵黃牛票對不對所以呢我希望文化部\n可以按照現行文創法的法規更去仔細的去分析跟了解我們現在這種影視產業所衍生活動的樣態倘若是屬於我們文創法的範圍我們應當在有黃牛票一律的時候就要開始來關注部長這可不可以做到\n環流票本身如果它是一個還是回到剛才那個三頁行為它自己有票捐的話它違反的不是我們文創法它違反的是它三頁行為我們可以接受個別檢舉在檢舉中我們再慢慢去了解這個算不算文創所以在個案的檢舉當中如果你們認定它裡面的這個活動確實屬於我們文創產業相關的母花不就可以來關注嗎是不是這個樣子如果說它跟那個\n那我就告訴部長我希望未來這些個案你們不要說還沒有開始了解個案就直接說這不屬於文創法的範圍你必須要了解嘛 如同剛剛部長所說那了解裡面的內容再來看是不是屬於文創法的範圍倘若屬於我們範圍文化部就當然要來專心好不好譬如說簽名會有沒有唱歌啊唱一首啊兩首啊等等我們會來了解我就是這個意思所以希望文化部要更廣泛跟細節的來了解\n除了個案以外黃牛票的查緝文化部給我們數字今年三月底我們總共收到檢舉案件是將近一萬件那最後呢這個處於文創法管轄範圍又完備是兩千多件這個比例大概就是四分之一也就是說事件裡面有三件是不符合我們的範圍的\n那這個不符合當中呢有很多最大宗的你們是認為說他的這個資料不完備不全啊這個部分我們在行政的措施上面能不能透過再來加強的宣導然後讓民眾提供完備的資料讓確實有收到黃牛票影響受害的個案他能夠有一個申訴的空間\n你是說我們好像只能加強宣導對啊我的意思就是說我認為你們宣導不足啊就是在這一萬件裡面有這麼大量的都是因為資料不全所以根本沒有辦法申訴跟究竟\n那這個當中有可能是可以救回來的個案有可能民眾是真的因為黃牛票而受害只是資料不全這部分我希望文化部跟我們地方政府可以再來加強好 那關於這個預算的解凍案我們今天要處理的解凍案總共有49案\n那我覺得呢其中最嚴重的是我們當時在委員會只刪除了兩千萬凍結了五億但是跑到院會去了之後凍結立刻膨脹到了六倍刪除更是這個膨脹的數字更是達數十倍這個我認為簡直是亂山亂洞一通\n這樣子的結果其實等於我們委員會中心主義整個心痛虛設因為我們在委員會是經過仔細的來討論的其中我舉兩個最不合理的這個公視今年被凍結5億凍結理由是因為台灣plus\n這個可以說是根本是走錯棚三錯筆 動錯筆太陽PLUS有另外一筆預算那造成什麼的影響呢不只是公視台本身包括台語台小公視的營運一併受影響然後呢我們今年有一些新的節目新的動畫在預算解凍前到現在不敢來啟動那我們公視有很多相關的協力團隊例如跨年度的專案像什麼書畫等等這些到現在都受到影響那事實上真正到院會去\n這個當時提案的委員是國民黨陳玉珍委員然後後來由國民黨黨團提案 凍結事實上真正跟台灣安排是引以有相關的是另外一筆預算嘛是發展國際數位傳播嘛這怎麼會這個理由跟預算科目根本倒不起來這我覺得非常的可惡\n不應該出現這種錯誤那真正在這筆預算呢 原列是10億最後呢 被刪減跟凍結加走是6億多 也就是有7乘57乘5 都是要刪凍造成什麼影響這個台灣PLUS本來是由公司跟文化部簽約嘛到現在簽約了沒有 還沒\n沒簽約會造成什麼影響 台灣Plus不敢做新節目啊都還沒簽約 怎麼去跟廠商簽約所以更不敢 台灣Plus也不敢去找廠商 不敢簽約然後呢 這個我們每日 台灣Plus總是要每日新聞常常新內容這些日常營運經費嘛結果甚至有由公視先行墊付的情況所以這個我認為立法院我們對於這個文化部預算 尤其我剛剛覺得這兩筆我覺得最荒謬的\n不成比例不合比例原則的煽動它造成的不是幾個數字的改變而是連日常的營運然後整個我們執行過去的這個節奏通通都受到影響今年已經過到五月了到現在今年度的計畫還沒有簽約\n這可想而知受到的影響之大所以呢我希望台灣Plus它的定位目前是我們台灣唯一對國際發聲的全英語平台我個人也認為台灣Plus它有很多改進的空間但是我希望我們委員會在針對預算的動山的時候第一個理由跟預算科目至少要合一\n怎麼會去出現理由根本跟預算科目不合的情況相當之荒謬 對不起國人對我們的期待第二個 要提出具體可改善的理由依我現在看到的情況去年對文化部這預算的動山造成的結果不是讓我們業務的\n進步成長反而是造成我們業務的阻礙所以我希望文化部你們也有責任未來再加強跟立法院再加強跟國人的說明在預算審查的時候就不只要跟委員說明我期待你們在預算審查的期間就可以更積極的向社會來說明為什麼文化部需要這些預算我們打算為國家台灣帶來怎麼樣的文化的進步\n不只跟委員說明 要跟民眾說明因為他們是真正的民意不希望說之後再有已經預算被錯誤的被立法院動山之後社會才開始了解到原來我們哪些的文化預算已經遭受到災難性的動山 好不好\n委員說得非常好就是他三道的項目是不相同的那這個是非常荒謬的他去三道公共電視的所有頻道的錢你剛才講的就是真的最荒謬那我們文化部也努力的去跟所有本來對文化部\n預算結構不太懂的民眾其實我非常努力的去解釋到底什麼是文化預算到底要怎麼用這點我們導致在這一次因為被刪減的這一次的機會 我們的確有努力對外宣導解釋\n是那我的期待就是未来我们可以在审查的期间在委员会审查期间我们可以再积极的跟民众来说明因为其实很多国人都相当关心我们的政府的预算到底是如何被运用他们也相当关心立委当然是要监督预算但是监督的理由要合理这是国人的标准所以我们可以更积极的向民众来说明好不好好谢谢好谢谢谢谢好谢谢谢谢吴佩奕\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.291 --> 00:14.113\n謝謝主席我請文化部部長有請李部長\n\n00:20.633 --> 00:33.578\n吳委員你好部長好國人呢對於黃牛票的查緝都相當的關心那我想請教部長因為依照我們文創法屬於文創產業的其實至少15項15項以上相當之廣泛現在有一種樣態是很多是國外的影集或電影的演員來台灣舉辦粉絲見面會像這樣類型的見面會屬不屬於是例如他是電影或電視產業相關的\n\n00:49.884 --> 01:06.808\n你認為這一點我們完全釐清剛剛我也有講到文創法裡面限制要真正的表演舞蹈戲劇還有演唱會才歸文創法所管那你剛剛講到這種說見面會拍拍照\n\n01:07.368 --> 01:26.294\n或者別的方式的見面他只能算是廠商在促銷增加他的粉絲的商業行為這真的不是屬於文化部的文篆法裡面規範的他應該是社會秩序維護法這點我們對文化部來講是非常清楚而具體的\n\n01:27.076 --> 01:31.878\n這個呢我認為啦像針對這種影視電影的演員它相關衍生的這些活動裡面也包括有一些是表演我認為它屬不屬於我們文創法所歸納的範疇這應該是在文化部裁量認定的範圍之內也就是說法規並沒有限制但是在我們的裁量權之內所以我認為文化部應該要跟上時代\n\n01:53.306 --> 01:59.047\n這種影視演員的粉絲見面會其實它數量越來越多尤其是很多是國外的特別來到台灣舉辦這對我們來講也是我們很重要的一個文創產業所以部長你知道最近有一個個案嗎這個個案現在就出現了有民眾發現可能疑似有黃牛票這樣的行為\n\n02:17.532 --> 02:18.314\n部長你認為這能不能夠來未來研議納入我們文創法規範的範圍之內\n\n02:23.939 --> 02:49.979\n目前我們的進度是按照原來的文創法裡面剛剛規定的是一定要有表演過程我剛剛一再強調音樂舞蹈等等要表演過程才屬於文創法但是如果剛剛委員講到那個現象我們也可以接受個案的檢舉來做判斷那至於要修文創法這件事情是知識非常體大因為我剛剛一再強調官司把黃流這件事情是是部長你聽清楚我剛剛講的\n\n02:50.720 --> 02:55.984\n所以我認為目前其實按照既有法規我們在認定裁量上如你剛所說的依個案來看嘛它裡面如果確實有表演的活動行為我們就可以納入文創法來規範目的是什麼文創法當初的設立就是為了來能夠去防堵黃牛票對不對所以呢我希望文化部\n\n03:11.616 --> 03:18.383\n可以按照現行文創法的法規更去仔細的去分析跟了解我們現在這種影視產業所衍生活動的樣態倘若是屬於我們文創法的範圍我們應當在有黃牛票一律的時候就要開始來關注部長這可不可以做到\n\n03:31.215 --> 03:49.678\n環流票本身如果它是一個還是回到剛才那個三頁行為它自己有票捐的話它違反的不是我們文創法它違反的是它三頁行為我們可以接受個別檢舉在檢舉中我們再慢慢去了解這個算不算文創所以在個案的檢舉當中如果你們認定它裡面的這個活動確實屬於我們文創產業相關的母花不就可以來關注嗎是不是這個樣子如果說它跟那個\n\n03:58.780 --> 04:14.253\n那我就告訴部長我希望未來這些個案你們不要說還沒有開始了解個案就直接說這不屬於文創法的範圍你必須要了解嘛如同剛剛部長所說那了解裡面的內容再來看是不是屬於文創法的範圍倘若屬於我們範圍文化部就當然要來專心好不好譬如說簽名會有沒有唱歌啊唱一首啊兩首啊等等我們會來了解我就是這個意思所以希望文化部要更廣泛跟細節的來了解\n\n04:24.141 --> 04:42.980\n除了個案以外黃牛票的查緝文化部給我們數字今年三月底我們總共收到檢舉案件是將近一萬件那最後呢這個處於文創法管轄範圍又完備是兩千多件這個比例大概就是四分之一也就是說事件裡面有三件是不符合我們的範圍的\n\n04:44.542 --> 04:56.565\n那這個不符合當中呢有很多最大宗的你們是認為說他的這個資料不完備不全啊這個部分我們在行政的措施上面能不能透過再來加強的宣導然後讓民眾提供完備的資料讓確實有收到黃牛票影響受害的個案他能夠有一個申訴的空間\n\n05:09.540 --> 05:24.263\n你是說我們好像只能加強宣導對啊我的意思就是說我認為你們宣導不足啊就是在這一萬件裡面有這麼大量的都是因為資料不全所以根本沒有辦法申訴跟究竟\n\n05:24.764 --> 05:34.950\n那這個當中有可能是可以救回來的個案有可能民眾是真的因為黃牛票而受害只是資料不全這部分我希望文化部跟我們地方政府可以再來加強好那關於這個預算的解凍案我們今天要處理的解凍案總共有49案\n\n05:41.494 --> 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