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00:02:34,201\n益善公司在台灣負責全部的這些活動我們當然是找益善好那我想問一下部長不知道是不是益善的資本多少這個我不曉得100萬是可是我大概算了一下以這個票價乘以它現在的一個座位數而且我不是以最低票價來算我不是以這個什麼7980塊這個票價我大概以一個5000塊的票價來去計算它的席次\n\n8\n00:02:41,184 --> 00:03:03,207\n他大概這個收入就會有1500萬那到時候如果說只有一個營業資本額只有100萬的公司第一個他有辦法去負責他有辦法賠償這1500萬的就分嗎第二個如果說他到時候說我只是一個協辦主辦是超級娛樂他推到超級娛樂身上的時候到底會不會最後不了了之呢\n\n9\n00:03:04,603 --> 00:03:17,334\n這個是我覺得部長我們可能需要來釐清到底誰要來承擔這些相關的責任因為這是影響到台灣的追星人的消費權益所以這個部分我們是要再跟議上確認嗎還是怎麼來處理呢\n\n10\n00:03:19,875 --> 00:03:34,960\n像我們有去跟經濟部了解剛剛講到這個超期他的股權結構他的資金等等然後意義上他所扮演的角色我們目前所知道就是負責全部台灣這個部分那這種事情我覺得\n\n11\n00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:58,753\n就是我們未來要很注意的就是一個灰色地帶我想我們現在就要非常的注意這個灰色地帶因為其實像這樣子的模式這個不是第一期今年已經去年也都有就是有非常多中資用這種方式他在台灣沒有落地他找了一個小型的公司那甚至網路上面有在傳這可能是個空殼公司可能就是在活動的前幾個月他才舉辦那有些資本額可能只有20萬\n\n12\n00:04:00,748 --> 00:04:19,715\n那這個就會變成是一個漏洞讓中資可以用漏洞的方式來台灣做這樣子的工作那甚至會不會除了消費爭議可能還會有這個逃漏稅等等的問題會不會甚至有詐騙我覺得這個是需要這個部長我們可能需要盡快的來針對這個方面來去做一些處置\n\n13\n00:04:21,175 --> 00:04:29,478\n這部分是不是可以請部長來盡快來幫我們做個研議呢這個對其實已經不是只有環流問題它可能涉及到國安等等我想說經濟部也好我們陸委會也好我們盡快跟各單位來協調對我們是不是可以跟陸委會經濟部想做是已經是到國安或者是中資進到台灣來換一個方式進到台灣來決定這些演唱會的內容等等這點的確是不只是環流了\n\n14\n00:04:50,964 --> 00:05:14,782\n好但是我先跟部長講因為這個票10號就要開賣了可是這個可能就已經有我們剛剛講的消費就很爭議存在我們是不是可以在這幾天跟文化部也還有一起來開個會來討論這件事情我們可以怎麼來處理其實我們可以接受個案來檢舉啦就是我們雖然在我們的文創法裡面有這一條譬如說見面會算不算是我們文化部但是我們可以接受個案來\n\n15\n00:05:15,703 --> 00:05:19,608\n個案來檢舉那我們也盡快的委員您剛剛講到的這種我們盡快來跟相關單位來好這個會後我們來約時間好不好因為我們還是要確保我們所消費者的權益啦讓他們追得到人找得到錢啦好不好那再來第二個部分就是說\n\n16\n00:05:31,142 --> 00:05:53,563\n見面會到底是不是用文創法我先跟部長有個簡單的概念喔其實在我小時候因為小時候就開始追星啦那時候叫做簽唱會那是對於歌手的部分但是大家可能部長也非常清楚對於演員的部分其實我們一直都沒有相關的形式過去在台灣沒有任何形式可以跟喜愛他的這個粉絲去做一些交流\n\n17\n00:05:53,943 --> 00:06:12,145\n所以這也是為什麼後來韓劇大夯之後我們可以看到韓國發展出了一個叫做見面會的形式其實它就是透過一個這樣子的形式來跟粉絲做互動那這些藝人本身他就是一個有名非常非常有名因為他的戲劇作品受到非常大的喜愛的一個\n\n18\n00:06:13,226 --> 00:06:33,615\n一個人物喔那可是我們現在的文創法裡面卻把這個東西不納入進去而導致我們不能抓黃牛欸可是我要跟部長講喔在這個見面會裡面其實都一定有歌舞表演欸都一定有歌舞表演而且這些見面會的營收是相當驚人的喔如果我們來看2023年這是我自己從網路上面\n\n19\n00:06:34,415 --> 00:06:52,910\n我們用工人聚會去手動去計算出的一些場次所以可能有一些沒有抓到的但是以2023年你看33場2024年40場2025年到4月而已已經11場了所以這個場次其實是越來越多的而且如果以席次而且以不是一個很大的館場以台大體育館一個\n\n20\n00:06:54,031 --> 00:07:16,432\n管大概兩千我算八成就好收入大概你看2023年就1.85億2024年就2.24億那2025年到現在4月就已經0.62億了所以這是一筆不小的錢耶而且他們的票價其實都是像剛剛你有看到嘛7980塊這個東西不納入文創法我覺得就是讓黃牛可以鑽漏洞啊這部分是不是可以來做一些處理呢\n\n21\n00:07:18,544 --> 00:07:46,248\n這部分是不是可以來研議把文創法來做一些調整我們可以討論一下因為那個黃流這個事情也許有的是在運動有的是在這種譯文那我想我們能夠做到的就是先接受個案的處理然後再下一步就是這個法案要不要修怎麼修我想這是我們要慎重的所以我聽起來部長其實您是開放的嘛對不對因為對於見面會因為這個其實這個形式是一直不停的在跟粉絲的交流跟互動其實是一直不停的在\n\n22\n00:07:46,668 --> 00:08:05,324\n各案每次到底做到什麼程度見面會本身到底有沒有唱歌剛才講賣票當然沒問題一定有賣票我們要怎麼樣去界定他是屬於文創法裡面可以管轄的這點我想我們要慎重的來考慮但是我們目前能做到就是各案來審查\n\n23\n00:08:07,475 --> 00:08:37,095\n那這個個案審查我到時候可能會再問一下到底要怎麼樣來提供相關的資訊來審查這個個案好不好是沒問題那再來就是一個部分我先問一個最重要的一個問題因為其實之前大家文化部都有講說如果有大咖要來台灣的時候你們一定會去先跟他做遊說希望他可以使用實名制我想要問一下七月GD這是震撼亞洲非常大的一個大咖他要來台灣了我們準備好了嗎我們跟他們接觸了嗎\n\n24\n00:08:38,741 --> 00:08:42,277\n可不可以做个说明请那个我们的司长回答\n\n25\n00:08:44,668 --> 00:09:08,303\n委員好那因為基本上其實民間辦理演唱會還是民間的自由機制那這一場委員提醒的我們來試著找一下它台灣是由哪一家公司來辦理我們會先試著能夠聯繫跟打電話提醒好那我們大概什麼時候可以追蹤這個進度呢因為這個東西一定到時候會有非常非常多的可能大家非常關注的啦大概什麼時候我們可以來追蹤後續的進度\n\n26\n00:09:08,843 --> 00:09:30,396\n委員因為我們現在真的不知道他現在台灣是找哪一間所以我們真的就只能是多方的去詢問看看願不願意先事先透露給我們那可不可以委員讓我們能夠有消息的時候就趕緊跟你這邊做說明不然這樣好不好我們五月底之前好不好五月底之前再來徵詢一下現在的進度那這邊我再做一個提醒因為其實之前在這個\n\n27\n00:09:32,093 --> 00:09:51,385\n周杰倫的時候蔡依林的時候這種非常大咖都有黃牛詐騙的問題那我非常擔心GD這一場也會有黃牛詐騙他們在網路上面說賣票可是最後其實他是用黃牛這個形式來做詐騙這個部分我們是不是可以跟我們的金管會還有這個不是金管會啦跟這個法務部\n\n28\n00:09:52,859 --> 00:10:15,625\n速發部一起來討論我們如何來預防這樣子的詐騙行為是不是可以來做這件事情部長是我們其實跟速發部那種已經有合作怎麼樣把那個詐騙下架等等我想我們會進一步來研究這個那這部分我一樣五月底來跟文化部再做進一步的討論好不好我們如何來預防這一場也變成黃牛因為這是一個犯罪行為好不好好謝謝\n\n29\n00:10:18,288 --> 00:10:22,039\n好謝謝張雅玲委員部長請回我們接下來請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1411\t3605\t謝謝主席 我們有請部長好 有請李部長\n11431\t33441\t委員你好部長好 今天我想要針對一個最近你們也看到網路上面有非常多的討論有關於一個泰國知名的居兒劇的組合Lingo他們現在要來台灣辦一個見面會但是這裡面有幾個疑點 可能今天要來跟部長做個討論第一個疑點就是這一場的主辦單位似乎是境外公司 是中資的超級娛樂\n35382\t53015\t我們可以看到這個資訊上面它登記在中國澳門總公司位於中國珠海那根據兩岸人民條例或是港澳條例或是公司法未經許可其實都不可以在台灣舉辦相關的活動營業那這可能會造成一些境外它是經流在境外那它會有很多的問題這樣子那我想先請教因為其實我們之前就已經來詢問文化部了\n62141\t80846\t但是文化部告訴我們這一場的主辦不是超級娛樂而是台灣的一間叫做藝尚的一個公司但是我們在iBone上面看到的主辦單位都還是超級娛樂所以到底是超級娛樂還是藝尚製作呢這一點可以先來幫我們做個釐清嗎\n89626\t104545\t剛剛我其實有回答過他們是一個合作的方式啦但是主辦到底是誰主辦他是藝善在台灣的部分是由他負責但是這個抄襲是在他是澳門公司嘛他有負責找藝人這樣子好我想先確認一下因為這個東西喔\n106147\t130815\t最主要就是說如果到時候發生了票務上的糾紛等等到底是誰要來去處理呢或者是說現場發生了一些狀況一些意外而需要求償的時候到底是向主辦求償還是向協辦來求償呢因為我們的認定他們是合作但是一定通常活動我們辦活動都會分這個主辦跟協辦所以到底到時候發生這些糾紛是跟誰來求償\n132950\t154201\t益善公司在台灣負責全部的這些活動我們當然是找益善好 那我想問一下部長不知道是不是益善的資本多少這個我不曉得100萬是可是我大概算了一下以這個票價乘以它現在的一個座位數而且我不是以最低票價來算我不是以這個什麼7980塊這個票價我大概以一個5000塊的票價來去計算它的席次\n161184\t183207\t他大概這個收入就會有1500萬那到時候如果說只有一個營業資本額只有100萬的公司第一個他有辦法去負責他有辦法賠償這1500萬的就分嗎第二個如果說他到時候說我只是一個協辦主辦是超級娛樂他推到超級娛樂身上的時候到底會不會最後不了了之呢\n184603\t197334\t這個是我覺得部長我們可能需要來釐清到底誰要來承擔這些相關的責任因為這是影響到台灣的追星人的消費權益所以這個部分我們是要再跟議上確認嗎還是怎麼來處理呢\n199875\t214960\t像我們有去跟經濟部了解剛剛講到這個超期他的股權結構他的資金等等然後意義上他所扮演的角色我們目前所知道就是負責全部台灣這個部分那這種事情我覺得\n215660\t238753\t就是我們未來要很注意的就是一個灰色地帶我想我們現在就要非常的注意這個灰色地帶因為其實像這樣子的模式這個不是第一期今年已經去年也都有就是有非常多中資用這種方式他在台灣沒有落地他找了一個小型的公司那甚至網路上面有在傳這可能是個空殼公司可能就是在活動的前幾個月他才舉辦那有些資本額可能只有20萬\n240748\t259715\t那這個就會變成是一個漏洞讓中資可以用漏洞的方式來台灣做這樣子的工作那甚至會不會除了消費爭議可能還會有這個逃漏稅等等的問題會不會甚至有詐騙我覺得這個是需要這個部長我們可能需要盡快的來針對這個方面來去做一些處置\n261175\t269478\t這部分是不是可以請部長來盡快來幫我們做個研議呢這個對其實已經不是只有環流問題它可能涉及到國安等等我想說經濟部也好我們陸委會也好我們盡快跟各單位來協調對我們是不是可以跟陸委會經濟部想做是已經是到國安或者是中資進到台灣來換一個方式進到台灣來決定這些演唱會的內容等等這點的確是不只是環流了\n290964\t314782\t好 但是我先跟部長講因為這個票10號就要開賣了可是這個可能就已經有我們剛剛講的消費就很爭議存在我們是不是可以在這幾天跟文化部也還有一起來開個會來討論這件事情我們可以怎麼來處理其實我們可以接受個案來檢舉啦就是我們雖然在我們的文創法裡面有這一條譬如說見面會算不算是我們文化部但是我們可以接受個案來\n315703\t319608\t個案來檢舉那我們也盡快的委員您剛剛講到的這種我們盡快來跟相關單位來好 這個會後我們來約時間好不好因為我們還是要確保我們所消費者的權益啦讓他們追得到人找得到錢啦好不好那再來第二個部分就是說\n331142\t353563\t見面會到底是不是用文創法我先跟部長有個簡單的概念喔其實在我小時候因為小時候就開始追星啦那時候叫做簽唱會那是對於歌手的部分但是大家可能部長也非常清楚對於演員的部分其實我們一直都沒有相關的形式過去在台灣沒有任何形式可以跟喜愛他的這個粉絲去做一些交流\n353943\t372145\t所以這也是為什麼後來韓劇大夯之後我們可以看到韓國發展出了一個叫做見面會的形式其實它就是透過一個這樣子的形式來跟粉絲做互動那這些藝人本身他就是一個有名非常非常有名因為他的戲劇作品受到非常大的喜愛的一個\n373226\t393615\t一個人物喔那可是我們現在的文創法裡面卻把這個東西不納入進去而導致我們不能抓黃牛欸可是我要跟部長講喔在這個見面會裡面其實都一定有歌舞表演欸都一定有歌舞表演而且這些見面會的營收是相當驚人的喔如果我們來看2023年這是我自己從網路上面\n394415\t412910\t我們用工人聚會去手動去計算出的一些場次所以可能有一些沒有抓到的但是以2023年你看33場2024年40場2025年到4月而已已經11場了所以這個場次其實是越來越多的而且如果以席次而且以不是一個很大的館場以台大體育館一個\n414031\t436432\t管大概兩千我算八成就好收入大概你看2023年就1.85億2024年就2.24億那2025年到現在4月就已經0.62億了所以這是一筆不小的錢耶而且他們的票價其實都是像剛剛你有看到嘛7980塊這個東西不納入文創法我覺得就是讓黃牛可以鑽漏洞啊這部分是不是可以來做一些處理呢\n438544\t466248\t這部分是不是可以來研議把文創法來做一些調整我們可以討論一下因為那個黃流這個事情也許有的是在運動有的是在這種譯文那我想我們能夠做到的就是先接受個案的處理然後再下一步就是這個法案要不要修怎麼修我想這是我們要慎重的所以我聽起來部長其實您是開放的嘛對不對因為對於見面會因為這個其實這個形式是一直不停的在跟粉絲的交流跟互動其實是一直不停的在\n466668\t485324\t各案每次到底做到什麼程度 見面會本身到底有沒有唱歌剛才講賣票當然沒問題 一定有賣票我們要怎麼樣去界定他是屬於文創法裡面可以管轄的這點我想我們要慎重的來考慮但是我們目前能做到就是各案來審查\n487475\t517095\t那這個個案審查我到時候可能會再問一下到底要怎麼樣來提供相關的資訊來審查這個個案好不好是沒問題那再來就是一個部分我先問一個最重要的一個問題因為其實之前大家文化部都有講說如果有大咖要來台灣的時候你們一定會去先跟他做遊說希望他可以使用實名制我想要問一下七月GD這是震撼亞洲非常大的一個大咖他要來台灣了我們準備好了嗎我們跟他們接觸了嗎\n518741\t522277\t可不可以做个说明请那个我们的司长回答\n524668\t548303\t委員好 那因為基本上其實民間辦理演唱會還是民間的自由機制那這一場委員提醒的我們來試著找一下它台灣是由哪一家公司來辦理我們會先試著能夠聯繫跟打電話提醒好 那我們大概什麼時候可以追蹤這個進度呢因為這個東西一定到時候會有非常非常多的可能大家非常關注的啦大概什麼時候我們可以來追蹤後續的進度\n548843\t570396\t委員因為我們現在真的不知道他現在台灣是找哪一間所以我們真的就只能是多方的去詢問看看願不願意先事先透露給我們那可不可以委員讓我們能夠有消息的時候就趕緊跟你這邊做說明不然這樣好不好我們五月底之前好不好五月底之前再來徵詢一下現在的進度那這邊我再做一個提醒因為其實之前在這個\n572093\t591385\t周杰倫的時候蔡依林的時候這種非常大咖都有黃牛詐騙的問題那我非常擔心GD這一場也會有黃牛詐騙他們在網路上面說賣票可是最後其實他是用黃牛這個形式來做詐騙這個部分我們是不是可以跟我們的金管會還有這個不是金管會啦跟這個法務部\n592859\t615625\t速發部一起來討論我們如何來預防這樣子的詐騙行為是不是可以來做這件事情 部長是 我們其實跟速發部那種已經有合作怎麼樣把那個詐騙下架等等我想我們會進一步來研究這個那這部分我一樣五月底來跟文化部再做進一步的討論好不好我們如何來預防這一場也變成黃牛因為這是一個犯罪行為好不好 好 謝謝\n618288\t622039\t好 謝謝張雅玲委員 部長請回我們接下來請\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請部長好 有請李部長\n委員你好部長好 今天我想要針對一個最近你們也看到網路上面有非常多的討論有關於一個泰國知名的居兒劇的組合Lingo他們現在要來台灣辦一個見面會但是這裡面有幾個疑點 可能今天要來跟部長做個討論第一個疑點就是這一場的主辦單位似乎是境外公司 是中資的超級娛樂\n我們可以看到這個資訊上面它登記在中國澳門總公司位於中國珠海那根據兩岸人民條例或是港澳條例或是公司法未經許可其實都不可以在台灣舉辦相關的活動營業那這可能會造成一些境外它是經流在境外那它會有很多的問題這樣子那我想先請教因為其實我們之前就已經來詢問文化部了\n但是文化部告訴我們這一場的主辦不是超級娛樂而是台灣的一間叫做藝尚的一個公司但是我們在iBone上面看到的主辦單位都還是超級娛樂所以到底是超級娛樂還是藝尚製作呢這一點可以先來幫我們做個釐清嗎\n剛剛我其實有回答過他們是一個合作的方式啦但是主辦到底是誰主辦他是藝善在台灣的部分是由他負責但是這個抄襲是在他是澳門公司嘛他有負責找藝人這樣子好我想先確認一下因為這個東西喔\n最主要就是說如果到時候發生了票務上的糾紛等等到底是誰要來去處理呢或者是說現場發生了一些狀況一些意外而需要求償的時候到底是向主辦求償還是向協辦來求償呢因為我們的認定他們是合作但是一定通常活動我們辦活動都會分這個主辦跟協辦所以到底到時候發生這些糾紛是跟誰來求償\n益善公司在台灣負責全部的這些活動我們當然是找益善好 那我想問一下部長不知道是不是益善的資本多少這個我不曉得100萬是可是我大概算了一下以這個票價乘以它現在的一個座位數而且我不是以最低票價來算我不是以這個什麼7980塊這個票價我大概以一個5000塊的票價來去計算它的席次\n他大概這個收入就會有1500萬那到時候如果說只有一個營業資本額只有100萬的公司第一個他有辦法去負責他有辦法賠償這1500萬的就分嗎第二個如果說他到時候說我只是一個協辦主辦是超級娛樂他推到超級娛樂身上的時候到底會不會最後不了了之呢\n這個是我覺得部長我們可能需要來釐清到底誰要來承擔這些相關的責任因為這是影響到台灣的追星人的消費權益所以這個部分我們是要再跟議上確認嗎還是怎麼來處理呢\n像我們有去跟經濟部了解剛剛講到這個超期他的股權結構他的資金等等然後意義上他所扮演的角色我們目前所知道就是負責全部台灣這個部分那這種事情我覺得\n就是我們未來要很注意的就是一個灰色地帶我想我們現在就要非常的注意這個灰色地帶因為其實像這樣子的模式這個不是第一期今年已經去年也都有就是有非常多中資用這種方式他在台灣沒有落地他找了一個小型的公司那甚至網路上面有在傳這可能是個空殼公司可能就是在活動的前幾個月他才舉辦那有些資本額可能只有20萬\n那這個就會變成是一個漏洞讓中資可以用漏洞的方式來台灣做這樣子的工作那甚至會不會除了消費爭議可能還會有這個逃漏稅等等的問題會不會甚至有詐騙我覺得這個是需要這個部長我們可能需要盡快的來針對這個方面來去做一些處置\n這部分是不是可以請部長來盡快來幫我們做個研議呢這個對其實已經不是只有環流問題它可能涉及到國安等等我想說經濟部也好我們陸委會也好我們盡快跟各單位來協調對我們是不是可以跟陸委會經濟部想做是已經是到國安或者是中資進到台灣來換一個方式進到台灣來決定這些演唱會的內容等等這點的確是不只是環流了\n好 但是我先跟部長講因為這個票10號就要開賣了可是這個可能就已經有我們剛剛講的消費就很爭議存在我們是不是可以在這幾天跟文化部也還有一起來開個會來討論這件事情我們可以怎麼來處理其實我們可以接受個案來檢舉啦就是我們雖然在我們的文創法裡面有這一條譬如說見面會算不算是我們文化部但是我們可以接受個案來\n個案來檢舉那我們也盡快的委員您剛剛講到的這種我們盡快來跟相關單位來好 這個會後我們來約時間好不好因為我們還是要確保我們所消費者的權益啦讓他們追得到人找得到錢啦好不好那再來第二個部分就是說\n見面會到底是不是用文創法我先跟部長有個簡單的概念喔其實在我小時候因為小時候就開始追星啦那時候叫做簽唱會那是對於歌手的部分但是大家可能部長也非常清楚對於演員的部分其實我們一直都沒有相關的形式過去在台灣沒有任何形式可以跟喜愛他的這個粉絲去做一些交流\n所以這也是為什麼後來韓劇大夯之後我們可以看到韓國發展出了一個叫做見面會的形式其實它就是透過一個這樣子的形式來跟粉絲做互動那這些藝人本身他就是一個有名非常非常有名因為他的戲劇作品受到非常大的喜愛的一個\n一個人物喔那可是我們現在的文創法裡面卻把這個東西不納入進去而導致我們不能抓黃牛欸可是我要跟部長講喔在這個見面會裡面其實都一定有歌舞表演欸都一定有歌舞表演而且這些見面會的營收是相當驚人的喔如果我們來看2023年這是我自己從網路上面\n我們用工人聚會去手動去計算出的一些場次所以可能有一些沒有抓到的但是以2023年你看33場2024年40場2025年到4月而已已經11場了所以這個場次其實是越來越多的而且如果以席次而且以不是一個很大的館場以台大體育館一個\n管大概兩千我算八成就好收入大概你看2023年就1.85億2024年就2.24億那2025年到現在4月就已經0.62億了所以這是一筆不小的錢耶而且他們的票價其實都是像剛剛你有看到嘛7980塊這個東西不納入文創法我覺得就是讓黃牛可以鑽漏洞啊這部分是不是可以來做一些處理呢\n這部分是不是可以來研議把文創法來做一些調整我們可以討論一下因為那個黃流這個事情也許有的是在運動有的是在這種譯文那我想我們能夠做到的就是先接受個案的處理然後再下一步就是這個法案要不要修怎麼修我想這是我們要慎重的所以我聽起來部長其實您是開放的嘛對不對因為對於見面會因為這個其實這個形式是一直不停的在跟粉絲的交流跟互動其實是一直不停的在\n各案每次到底做到什麼程度 見面會本身到底有沒有唱歌剛才講賣票當然沒問題 一定有賣票我們要怎麼樣去界定他是屬於文創法裡面可以管轄的這點我想我們要慎重的來考慮但是我們目前能做到就是各案來審查\n那這個個案審查我到時候可能會再問一下到底要怎麼樣來提供相關的資訊來審查這個個案好不好是沒問題那再來就是一個部分我先問一個最重要的一個問題因為其實之前大家文化部都有講說如果有大咖要來台灣的時候你們一定會去先跟他做遊說希望他可以使用實名制我想要問一下七月GD這是震撼亞洲非常大的一個大咖他要來台灣了我們準備好了嗎我們跟他們接觸了嗎\n可不可以做个说明请那个我们的司长回答\n委員好 那因為基本上其實民間辦理演唱會還是民間的自由機制那這一場委員提醒的我們來試著找一下它台灣是由哪一家公司來辦理我們會先試著能夠聯繫跟打電話提醒好 那我們大概什麼時候可以追蹤這個進度呢因為這個東西一定到時候會有非常非常多的可能大家非常關注的啦大概什麼時候我們可以來追蹤後續的進度\n委員因為我們現在真的不知道他現在台灣是找哪一間所以我們真的就只能是多方的去詢問看看願不願意先事先透露給我們那可不可以委員讓我們能夠有消息的時候就趕緊跟你這邊做說明不然這樣好不好我們五月底之前好不好五月底之前再來徵詢一下現在的進度那這邊我再做一個提醒因為其實之前在這個\n周杰倫的時候蔡依林的時候這種非常大咖都有黃牛詐騙的問題那我非常擔心GD這一場也會有黃牛詐騙他們在網路上面說賣票可是最後其實他是用黃牛這個形式來做詐騙這個部分我們是不是可以跟我們的金管會還有這個不是金管會啦跟這個法務部\n速發部一起來討論我們如何來預防這樣子的詐騙行為是不是可以來做這件事情 部長是 我們其實跟速發部那種已經有合作怎麼樣把那個詐騙下架等等我想我們會進一步來研究這個那這部分我一樣五月底來跟文化部再做進一步的討論好不好我們如何來預防這一場也變成黃牛因為這是一個犯罪行為好不好 好 謝謝\n好 謝謝張雅玲委員 部長請回我們接下來請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.411 --> 00:03.605\n謝謝主席我們有請部長好有請李部長\n\n00:11.431 --> 00:33.441\n委員你好部長好今天我想要針對一個最近你們也看到網路上面有非常多的討論有關於一個泰國知名的居兒劇的組合Lingo他們現在要來台灣辦一個見面會但是這裡面有幾個疑點可能今天要來跟部長做個討論第一個疑點就是這一場的主辦單位似乎是境外公司是中資的超級娛樂\n\n00:35.382 --> 00:53.015\n我們可以看到這個資訊上面它登記在中國澳門總公司位於中國珠海那根據兩岸人民條例或是港澳條例或是公司法未經許可其實都不可以在台灣舉辦相關的活動營業那這可能會造成一些境外它是經流在境外那它會有很多的問題這樣子那我想先請教因為其實我們之前就已經來詢問文化部了\n\n01:02.141 --> 01:20.846\n但是文化部告訴我們這一場的主辦不是超級娛樂而是台灣的一間叫做藝尚的一個公司但是我們在iBone上面看到的主辦單位都還是超級娛樂所以到底是超級娛樂還是藝尚製作呢這一點可以先來幫我們做個釐清嗎\n\n01:29.626 --> 01:44.545\n剛剛我其實有回答過他們是一個合作的方式啦但是主辦到底是誰主辦他是藝善在台灣的部分是由他負責但是這個抄襲是在他是澳門公司嘛他有負責找藝人這樣子好我想先確認一下因為這個東西喔\n\n01:46.147 --> 02:10.815\n最主要就是說如果到時候發生了票務上的糾紛等等到底是誰要來去處理呢或者是說現場發生了一些狀況一些意外而需要求償的時候到底是向主辦求償還是向協辦來求償呢因為我們的認定他們是合作但是一定通常活動我們辦活動都會分這個主辦跟協辦所以到底到時候發生這些糾紛是跟誰來求償\n\n02:12.950 --> 02:34.201\n益善公司在台灣負責全部的這些活動我們當然是找益善好那我想問一下部長不知道是不是益善的資本多少這個我不曉得100萬是可是我大概算了一下以這個票價乘以它現在的一個座位數而且我不是以最低票價來算我不是以這個什麼7980塊這個票價我大概以一個5000塊的票價來去計算它的席次\n\n02:41.184 --> 03:03.207\n他大概這個收入就會有1500萬那到時候如果說只有一個營業資本額只有100萬的公司第一個他有辦法去負責他有辦法賠償這1500萬的就分嗎第二個如果說他到時候說我只是一個協辦主辦是超級娛樂他推到超級娛樂身上的時候到底會不會最後不了了之呢\n\n03:04.603 --> 03:17.334\n這個是我覺得部長我們可能需要來釐清到底誰要來承擔這些相關的責任因為這是影響到台灣的追星人的消費權益所以這個部分我們是要再跟議上確認嗎還是怎麼來處理呢\n\n03:19.875 --> 03:34.960\n像我們有去跟經濟部了解剛剛講到這個超期他的股權結構他的資金等等然後意義上他所扮演的角色我們目前所知道就是負責全部台灣這個部分那這種事情我覺得\n\n03:35.660 --> 03:58.753\n就是我們未來要很注意的就是一個灰色地帶我想我們現在就要非常的注意這個灰色地帶因為其實像這樣子的模式這個不是第一期今年已經去年也都有就是有非常多中資用這種方式他在台灣沒有落地他找了一個小型的公司那甚至網路上面有在傳這可能是個空殼公司可能就是在活動的前幾個月他才舉辦那有些資本額可能只有20萬\n\n04:00.748 --> 04:19.715\n那這個就會變成是一個漏洞讓中資可以用漏洞的方式來台灣做這樣子的工作那甚至會不會除了消費爭議可能還會有這個逃漏稅等等的問題會不會甚至有詐騙我覺得這個是需要這個部長我們可能需要盡快的來針對這個方面來去做一些處置\n\n04:21.175 --> 04:29.478\n這部分是不是可以請部長來盡快來幫我們做個研議呢這個對其實已經不是只有環流問題它可能涉及到國安等等我想說經濟部也好我們陸委會也好我們盡快跟各單位來協調對我們是不是可以跟陸委會經濟部想做是已經是到國安或者是中資進到台灣來換一個方式進到台灣來決定這些演唱會的內容等等這點的確是不只是環流了\n\n04:50.964 --> 05:14.782\n好但是我先跟部長講因為這個票10號就要開賣了可是這個可能就已經有我們剛剛講的消費就很爭議存在我們是不是可以在這幾天跟文化部也還有一起來開個會來討論這件事情我們可以怎麼來處理其實我們可以接受個案來檢舉啦就是我們雖然在我們的文創法裡面有這一條譬如說見面會算不算是我們文化部但是我們可以接受個案來\n\n05:15.703 --> 05:19.608\n個案來檢舉那我們也盡快的委員您剛剛講到的這種我們盡快來跟相關單位來好這個會後我們來約時間好不好因為我們還是要確保我們所消費者的權益啦讓他們追得到人找得到錢啦好不好那再來第二個部分就是說\n\n05:31.142 --> 05:53.563\n見面會到底是不是用文創法我先跟部長有個簡單的概念喔其實在我小時候因為小時候就開始追星啦那時候叫做簽唱會那是對於歌手的部分但是大家可能部長也非常清楚對於演員的部分其實我們一直都沒有相關的形式過去在台灣沒有任何形式可以跟喜愛他的這個粉絲去做一些交流\n\n05:53.943 --> 06:12.145\n所以這也是為什麼後來韓劇大夯之後我們可以看到韓國發展出了一個叫做見面會的形式其實它就是透過一個這樣子的形式來跟粉絲做互動那這些藝人本身他就是一個有名非常非常有名因為他的戲劇作品受到非常大的喜愛的一個\n\n06:13.226 --> 06:33.615\n一個人物喔那可是我們現在的文創法裡面卻把這個東西不納入進去而導致我們不能抓黃牛欸可是我要跟部長講喔在這個見面會裡面其實都一定有歌舞表演欸都一定有歌舞表演而且這些見面會的營收是相當驚人的喔如果我們來看2023年這是我自己從網路上面\n\n06:34.415 --> 06:52.910\n我們用工人聚會去手動去計算出的一些場次所以可能有一些沒有抓到的但是以2023年你看33場2024年40場2025年到4月而已已經11場了所以這個場次其實是越來越多的而且如果以席次而且以不是一個很大的館場以台大體育館一個\n\n06:54.031 --> 07:16.432\n管大概兩千我算八成就好收入大概你看2023年就1.85億2024年就2.24億那2025年到現在4月就已經0.62億了所以這是一筆不小的錢耶而且他們的票價其實都是像剛剛你有看到嘛7980塊這個東西不納入文創法我覺得就是讓黃牛可以鑽漏洞啊這部分是不是可以來做一些處理呢\n\n07:18.544 --> 07:46.248\n這部分是不是可以來研議把文創法來做一些調整我們可以討論一下因為那個黃流這個事情也許有的是在運動有的是在這種譯文那我想我們能夠做到的就是先接受個案的處理然後再下一步就是這個法案要不要修怎麼修我想這是我們要慎重的所以我聽起來部長其實您是開放的嘛對不對因為對於見面會因為這個其實這個形式是一直不停的在跟粉絲的交流跟互動其實是一直不停的在\n\n07:46.668 --> 08:05.324\n各案每次到底做到什麼程度見面會本身到底有沒有唱歌剛才講賣票當然沒問題一定有賣票我們要怎麼樣去界定他是屬於文創法裡面可以管轄的這點我想我們要慎重的來考慮但是我們目前能做到就是各案來審查\n\n08:07.475 --> 08:37.095\n那這個個案審查我到時候可能會再問一下到底要怎麼樣來提供相關的資訊來審查這個個案好不好是沒問題那再來就是一個部分我先問一個最重要的一個問題因為其實之前大家文化部都有講說如果有大咖要來台灣的時候你們一定會去先跟他做遊說希望他可以使用實名制我想要問一下七月GD這是震撼亞洲非常大的一個大咖他要來台灣了我們準備好了嗎我們跟他們接觸了嗎\n\n08:38.741 --> 08:42.277\n可不可以做个说明请那个我们的司长回答\n\n08:44.668 --> 09:08.303\n委員好那因為基本上其實民間辦理演唱會還是民間的自由機制那這一場委員提醒的我們來試著找一下它台灣是由哪一家公司來辦理我們會先試著能夠聯繫跟打電話提醒好那我們大概什麼時候可以追蹤這個進度呢因為這個東西一定到時候會有非常非常多的可能大家非常關注的啦大概什麼時候我們可以來追蹤後續的進度\n\n09:08.843 --> 09:30.396\n委員因為我們現在真的不知道他現在台灣是找哪一間所以我們真的就只能是多方的去詢問看看願不願意先事先透露給我們那可不可以委員讓我們能夠有消息的時候就趕緊跟你這邊做說明不然這樣好不好我們五月底之前好不好五月底之前再來徵詢一下現在的進度那這邊我再做一個提醒因為其實之前在這個\n\n09:32.093 --> 09:51.385\n周杰倫的時候蔡依林的時候這種非常大咖都有黃牛詐騙的問題那我非常擔心GD這一場也會有黃牛詐騙他們在網路上面說賣票可是最後其實他是用黃牛這個形式來做詐騙這個部分我們是不是可以跟我們的金管會還有這個不是金管會啦跟這個法務部\n\n09:52.859 --> 10:15.625\n速發部一起來討論我們如何來預防這樣子的詐騙行為是不是可以來做這件事情部長是我們其實跟速發部那種已經有合作怎麼樣把那個詐騙下架等等我想我們會進一步來研究這個那這部分我一樣五月底來跟文化部再做進一步的討論好不好我們如何來預防這一場也變成黃牛因為這是一個犯罪行為好不好好謝謝\n\n10:18.288 --> 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那我想問一下部長不知道是不是益善的資本多少這個我不曉得100萬是可是我大概算了一下以這個票價乘以它現在的一個座位數而且我不是以最低票價來算我不是以這個什麼7980塊這個票價我大概以一個5000塊的票價來去計算它的席次"},{"start":161.184,"end":183.207,"text":"他大概這個收入就會有1500萬那到時候如果說只有一個營業資本額只有100萬的公司第一個他有辦法去負責他有辦法賠償這1500萬的就分嗎第二個如果說他到時候說我只是一個協辦主辦是超級娛樂他推到超級娛樂身上的時候到底會不會最後不了了之呢"},{"start":184.603,"end":197.334,"text":"這個是我覺得部長我們可能需要來釐清到底誰要來承擔這些相關的責任因為這是影響到台灣的追星人的消費權益所以這個部分我們是要再跟議上確認嗎還是怎麼來處理呢"},{"start":199.875,"end":214.96,"text":"像我們有去跟經濟部了解剛剛講到這個超期他的股權結構他的資金等等然後意義上他所扮演的角色我們目前所知道就是負責全部台灣這個部分那這種事情我覺得"},{"start":215.66,"end":238.753,"text":"就是我們未來要很注意的就是一個灰色地帶我想我們現在就要非常的注意這個灰色地帶因為其實像這樣子的模式這個不是第一期今年已經去年也都有就是有非常多中資用這種方式他在台灣沒有落地他找了一個小型的公司那甚至網路上面有在傳這可能是個空殼公司可能就是在活動的前幾個月他才舉辦那有些資本額可能只有20萬"},{"start":240.748,"end":259.715,"text":"那這個就會變成是一個漏洞讓中資可以用漏洞的方式來台灣做這樣子的工作那甚至會不會除了消費爭議可能還會有這個逃漏稅等等的問題會不會甚至有詐騙我覺得這個是需要這個部長我們可能需要盡快的來針對這個方面來去做一些處置"},{"start":261.175,"end":269.478,"text":"這部分是不是可以請部長來盡快來幫我們做個研議呢這個對其實已經不是只有環流問題它可能涉及到國安等等我想說經濟部也好我們陸委會也好我們盡快跟各單位來協調對我們是不是可以跟陸委會經濟部想做是已經是到國安或者是中資進到台灣來換一個方式進到台灣來決定這些演唱會的內容等等這點的確是不只是環流了"},{"start":290.964,"end":314.782,"text":"好 但是我先跟部長講因為這個票10號就要開賣了可是這個可能就已經有我們剛剛講的消費就很爭議存在我們是不是可以在這幾天跟文化部也還有一起來開個會來討論這件事情我們可以怎麼來處理其實我們可以接受個案來檢舉啦就是我們雖然在我們的文創法裡面有這一條譬如說見面會算不算是我們文化部但是我們可以接受個案來"},{"start":315.703,"end":319.608,"text":"個案來檢舉那我們也盡快的委員您剛剛講到的這種我們盡快來跟相關單位來好 這個會後我們來約時間好不好因為我們還是要確保我們所消費者的權益啦讓他們追得到人找得到錢啦好不好那再來第二個部分就是說"},{"start":331.142,"end":353.563,"text":"見面會到底是不是用文創法我先跟部長有個簡單的概念喔其實在我小時候因為小時候就開始追星啦那時候叫做簽唱會那是對於歌手的部分但是大家可能部長也非常清楚對於演員的部分其實我們一直都沒有相關的形式過去在台灣沒有任何形式可以跟喜愛他的這個粉絲去做一些交流"},{"start":353.943,"end":372.145,"text":"所以這也是為什麼後來韓劇大夯之後我們可以看到韓國發展出了一個叫做見面會的形式其實它就是透過一個這樣子的形式來跟粉絲做互動那這些藝人本身他就是一個有名非常非常有名因為他的戲劇作品受到非常大的喜愛的一個"},{"start":373.226,"end":393.615,"text":"一個人物喔那可是我們現在的文創法裡面卻把這個東西不納入進去而導致我們不能抓黃牛欸可是我要跟部長講喔在這個見面會裡面其實都一定有歌舞表演欸都一定有歌舞表演而且這些見面會的營收是相當驚人的喔如果我們來看2023年這是我自己從網路上面"},{"start":394.415,"end":412.91,"text":"我們用工人聚會去手動去計算出的一些場次所以可能有一些沒有抓到的但是以2023年你看33場2024年40場2025年到4月而已已經11場了所以這個場次其實是越來越多的而且如果以席次而且以不是一個很大的館場以台大體育館一個"},{"start":414.031,"end":436.432,"text":"管大概兩千我算八成就好收入大概你看2023年就1.85億2024年就2.24億那2025年到現在4月就已經0.62億了所以這是一筆不小的錢耶而且他們的票價其實都是像剛剛你有看到嘛7980塊這個東西不納入文創法我覺得就是讓黃牛可以鑽漏洞啊這部分是不是可以來做一些處理呢"},{"start":438.544,"end":466.248,"text":"這部分是不是可以來研議把文創法來做一些調整我們可以討論一下因為那個黃流這個事情也許有的是在運動有的是在這種譯文那我想我們能夠做到的就是先接受個案的處理然後再下一步就是這個法案要不要修怎麼修我想這是我們要慎重的所以我聽起來部長其實您是開放的嘛對不對因為對於見面會因為這個其實這個形式是一直不停的在跟粉絲的交流跟互動其實是一直不停的在"},{"start":466.668,"end":485.324,"text":"各案每次到底做到什麼程度 見面會本身到底有沒有唱歌剛才講賣票當然沒問題 一定有賣票我們要怎麼樣去界定他是屬於文創法裡面可以管轄的這點我想我們要慎重的來考慮但是我們目前能做到就是各案來審查"},{"start":487.475,"end":517.095,"text":"那這個個案審查我到時候可能會再問一下到底要怎麼樣來提供相關的資訊來審查這個個案好不好是沒問題那再來就是一個部分我先問一個最重要的一個問題因為其實之前大家文化部都有講說如果有大咖要來台灣的時候你們一定會去先跟他做遊說希望他可以使用實名制我想要問一下七月GD這是震撼亞洲非常大的一個大咖他要來台灣了我們準備好了嗎我們跟他們接觸了嗎"},{"start":518.741,"end":522.277,"text":"可不可以做个说明请那个我们的司长回答"},{"start":524.668,"end":548.303,"text":"委員好 那因為基本上其實民間辦理演唱會還是民間的自由機制那這一場委員提醒的我們來試著找一下它台灣是由哪一家公司來辦理我們會先試著能夠聯繫跟打電話提醒好 那我們大概什麼時候可以追蹤這個進度呢因為這個東西一定到時候會有非常非常多的可能大家非常關注的啦大概什麼時候我們可以來追蹤後續的進度"},{"start":548.843,"end":570.396,"text":"委員因為我們現在真的不知道他現在台灣是找哪一間所以我們真的就只能是多方的去詢問看看願不願意先事先透露給我們那可不可以委員讓我們能夠有消息的時候就趕緊跟你這邊做說明不然這樣好不好我們五月底之前好不好五月底之前再來徵詢一下現在的進度那這邊我再做一個提醒因為其實之前在這個"},{"start":572.093,"end":591.385,"text":"周杰倫的時候蔡依林的時候這種非常大咖都有黃牛詐騙的問題那我非常擔心GD這一場也會有黃牛詐騙他們在網路上面說賣票可是最後其實他是用黃牛這個形式來做詐騙這個部分我們是不是可以跟我們的金管會還有這個不是金管會啦跟這個法務部"},{"start":592.859,"end":615.625,"text":"速發部一起來討論我們如何來預防這樣子的詐騙行為是不是可以來做這件事情 部長是 我們其實跟速發部那種已經有合作怎麼樣把那個詐騙下架等等我想我們會進一步來研究這個那這部分我一樣五月底來跟文化部再做進一步的討論好不好我們如何來預防這一場也變成黃牛因為這是一個犯罪行為好不好 好 謝謝"},{"start":618.288,"end":622.039,"text":"好 謝謝張雅玲委員 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