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00:02:40,931\n所以說到今天還是沒有名單也沒有就是調查舉動那我們來請教一下是不是說我們政府已經主動放棄我們本國國民的司法管轄區呢還是說對我再進一步請教對於就是前晚柬埔寨緬甸這樣子的從事你們覺得是詐騙是不是國人這樣我們法務部有沒有任何的源頭的預防\n\n9\n00:02:42,918 --> 00:03:08,469\n有嗎跟委員報告那這份法務部已經透過兩岸共打協議管道是聯絡陸方那要求陸方就依照我們兩岸共打協議來進行通報來保障來國人的權益那這部分我想我們只在努力跟陸方再做一個聯絡我們希望能夠遣返\n\n10\n00:03:10,786 --> 00:03:31,986\n這我們問的是說你們有沒有掌握這個名單有沒有跨部會的調查有沒有說要求就是說我們的這些跟你們的就是台灣現在詐騙我們台灣的記錄的名單有沒有在裡面有沒有掌握我們的司法部這樣子都是就在調查在研議的話我們人民對\n\n11\n00:03:33,047 --> 00:03:50,920\n就是這個法務部真的信任度在哪裡我們一定要了解這不是在研議已經現在已經跟陸方在做一個透過兩岸共打協議管道在聯絡在一個洽商之中了嘛所以你們是有名單了這個名單還要叫陸方提供給我們嘛有嗎那現在還在聯絡還在協議\n\n12\n00:03:57,305 --> 00:04:14,581\n在接洽的時候所以協議到什麼時候這個我沒辦法去做跟那個保證就是等待嘛這邊神隊動不能主動這個我們主動跟人家聯繫怎麼不是呢對所以說我們就是主動但是還沒有明目嘛所以要問說都沒有明目\n\n13\n00:04:16,153 --> 00:04:39,355\n所以好再來我們就是就問也是沒有名目嘛所以我們希望說有名目這樣對我們一天被詐騙就是兩億的我們被詐騙的人民要有一個交代啦我們才能是真的是追回這個經費這樣才是我們要的這個騙的是因為是被害人是大陸人士啊\n\n14\n00:04:40,335 --> 00:04:50,420\n你明確這個是被害人都是大陸人數沒有我們的國民嗎?百分之百確定嗎?你百分之百確定這些嗎?你有沒有百分之百確定?他們詐騙是真的沒有我們的國民嗎?你有百分之百確定嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:01,496 --> 00:05:08,888\n你是猜測而已嘛這不是猜測這是一個訊息一個報導嘛報導所以你都看報導來辦事的不是你們整個團隊去辦事的\n\n16\n00:05:13,584 --> 00:05:37,829\n所以我們再來再問我們的警政署署長現在我們就是不只守住我們國人還有連台灣在我們的移工在台灣也成為詐騙集團的眼中的肥羊最近在臉書冒用我們勞動部職聘中心的名義對移工進行詐騙還有要求叫\n\n17\n00:05:40,730 --> 00:06:05,588\n這就是我們的證件費還有結果呢也是受害了就是財務損失所以呢我們要請教說這個案子我們的警政署有沒有真實的立案偵查還有說有沒有追查到的社團的經營的IP來源還有沒有掌握相關的金流還有我們有沒有啟動這樣子的監管這個部分\n\n18\n00:06:09,912 --> 00:06:38,673\n好這個部分我們發現有一些詐團有一些對車手的這個部分是去劣勢徵採國外的徵採或者是外籍的這個移工那我們經過這個訊息我們警方大概會了解這個源頭來做一個偵查那我們對於這個潮這個外籍的車子也是這個數量也是非常多也是非常多那目前這個狀況應該有初步的一個遏制\n\n19\n00:06:39,113 --> 00:06:41,595\n那我們也會跟隨時跟移民署跟勞動部來隨時聯繫的這個這相關的這個訊息未來會更加強這源頭的這個這個查集\n\n20\n00:06:51,091 --> 00:07:07,482\n但是我們就是說因為語言隔閡還有資訊不對等所以我們是假用我們政府的機關來去做一個陷阱所以面對那個假冒政府的單位我們也是一個若是被詐騙的案子\n\n21\n00:07:09,523 --> 00:07:31,756\n所以我們有沒有依照打詐事法列入這樣子的辦案有沒有說就是冒名這樣官方的網站官方的名義去詐騙所以我們是要如何去協助因為我們看到你們的有一個網站就是說為了國外的網站但是全部\n\n22\n00:07:33,243 --> 00:07:58,532\n都是中文連英文都沒有所以說這個是在台灣我們現在是我們國外的人很多所以在詐騙裡面的經費被詐騙的也包含在裡面但是說我們現在都面臨這樣子的一個不只是國內的人國外人只要居住台灣的都有被詐騙所以我們希望說有沒有具體的\n\n23\n00:08:01,216 --> 00:08:13,120\n委員的意思是什麼樣的就是具體的部位是哪個部位因為我們現在我們台灣已經說今天講的是我們是已經是很有名的國際有名的詐騙的一個管轄區\n\n24\n00:08:16,821 --> 00:08:20,623\n所以我們不能是讓說送去中國還沒有還沒有判的我們的國民還有移工被詐騙集團就變成是提款機我們政府現在的單位有沒有去研議所以說去了解我們的這次的職責我們聯合國也四度啊四度點名所以我們希望說我們不能再假裝不知道啦我們團隊是一直在努力沒有不知道啦\n\n25\n00:08:44,497 --> 00:09:04,353\n不要讓我們的詐騙集團他們的台灣是一個溫泉所以我們希望說我們台灣這邊是不是說真正的做事的政府所以我們台灣現在新住民有60萬人移工有85萬人僑生有十幾萬人還有投資的還沒有算\n\n26\n00:09:05,615 --> 00:09:23,677\n所以我希望我們的警政署是不是設一個國際打仗特別小組才能是誇部會誇國來合作的一個單位我報告一下這個是一個整體概念不是說腳痛一頭頭痛一腳那現在政府機關有\n\n27\n00:09:25,319 --> 00:09:40,435\n團隊的一個打炸的一個指揮中心包括各部會是團體在一起有法律的依據那也面對這個炸機的趨勢做聚焦的打擊我們不是完全都不知不知的話那這個我覺得這個講這個太沉重了那現在\n\n28\n00:09:41,636 --> 00:10:07,164\n炸機的這個趨勢也不斷的演變那我們也不斷的改變這個打炸的這個策略那從去年的打炸事法到目前為止我們已經對於案件的發生數跟案件的財損數已經有往下降的趨勢是有劣勁成效但是仍然有努力的空間我們是有有方法有團隊一起來做打炸我想這個我委員應該對我們應該有信心\n\n29\n00:10:08,544 --> 00:10:32,424\n有方法有團隊但是我們現在的就是我們已經被點名四次了所以我現在是我們要來的是協助解決問題不是說我們有很偉大的多少部門但是問題的效果我們要的效果我們效果現在已經有成熟了台灣有那麼多外國人別人可以利用\n\n30\n00:10:33,365 --> 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四度點名所以我們希望說我們不能再假裝不知道啦我們團隊是一直在努力沒有不知道啦\n524497\t544353\t不要讓我們的詐騙集團他們的台灣是一個溫泉所以我們希望說我們台灣這邊是不是說真正的做事的政府所以我們台灣現在新住民有60萬人移工有85萬人僑生有十幾萬人還有投資的還沒有算\n545615\t563677\t所以我希望我們的警政署是不是設一個國際打仗特別小組才能是誇部會誇國來合作的一個單位我報告一下這個是一個整體概念不是說腳痛一頭頭痛一腳那現在政府機關有\n565319\t580435\t團隊的一個打炸的一個指揮中心包括各部會是團體在一起有法律的依據那也面對這個炸機的趨勢做聚焦的打擊我們不是完全都不知不知的話那這個我覺得這個講這個太沉重了那現在\n581636\t607164\t炸機的這個趨勢也不斷的演變那我們也不斷的改變這個打炸的這個策略那從去年的打炸事法到目前為止我們已經對於案件的發生數跟案件的財損數已經有往下降的趨勢是有劣勁成效但是仍然有努力的空間我們是有有方法有團隊一起來做打炸我想這個我委員應該對我們應該有信心\n608544\t632424\t有方法有團隊但是我們現在的就是我們已經被點名四次了所以我現在是我們要來的是協助解決問題不是說我們有很偉大的多少部門但是問題的效果我們要的效果我們效果現在已經有成熟了台灣有那麼多外國人別人可以利用\n633365\t646183\t就是不同語言去詐騙不同國家的人在我們台灣但是我們呢我們有那麼多人在台灣為什麼我們不要去用一個國際打詐的一個小組團隊\n648426\t668652\t這群人來去協助你去打詐這樣子的話我們可以跨部會又可以有效的這樣子對我們的國民也好對海外的詐騙集團也好也有對我們國民有幫助嘛所以我們希望說我們要有這樣子的一個國際打詐的小組\n669732\t692643\t應用我們台灣有的資源有不同國家的語言這樣才更有效力啊我沒有說我們現在做的說多不好但是我們是建議說我們多一個管道多一個方法才對我們國民更有幫助希望我們的署長還有我們的法務部我們還有民民署我們跨部會的如何\n693203\t705851\t才不會讓說別人這樣子去點名我們就是東南亞的一個角色所以我們是要並說就是強化數位的政策希望是這樣因為時間有限所以我們希望說我們的各個部會要來跨部會來如何就是成立這樣子的一個多一個打架的小組對我們才真正的有幫助我的目的是這樣\n723305\t723325\t好 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所以說我們就是主動但是還沒有明目嘛所以要問說都沒有明目\n所以好再來我們就是就問也是沒有名目嘛所以我們希望說有名目這樣對我們一天被詐騙就是兩億的我們被詐騙的人民要有一個交代啦我們才能是真的是追回這個經費這樣才是我們要的這個騙的是因為是被害人是大陸人士啊\n你明確這個是被害人都是大陸人數沒有我們的國民嗎?百分之百確定嗎?你百分之百確定這些嗎?你有沒有百分之百確定?他們詐騙是真的沒有我們的國民嗎?你有百分之百確定嗎?\n你是猜測而已嘛這不是猜測 這是一個訊息 一個報導嘛報導 所以你都看報導來辦事的不是你們整個團隊去辦事的\n所以我們再來再問我們的警政署署長現在我們就是不只守住我們國人還有連台灣在我們的移工在台灣也成為詐騙集團的眼中的肥羊最近在臉書冒用我們勞動部職聘中心的名義對移工進行詐騙還有要求叫\n這就是我們的證件費還有結果呢也是受害了就是財務損失所以呢我們要請教說這個案子我們的警政署有沒有真實的立案偵查還有說有沒有追查到的社團的經營的IP來源還有沒有掌握相關的金流還有我們有沒有啟動這樣子的監管這個部分\n好 這個部分我們發現有一些詐團有一些對車手的這個部分是去劣勢徵採國外的徵採或者是外籍的這個移工那我們經過這個訊息我們警方大概會了解這個源頭來做一個偵查那我們對於這個潮這個外籍的車子也是這個數量也是非常多也是非常多那目前這個狀況應該有初步的一個遏制\n那我們也會跟隨時跟移民署跟勞動部來隨時聯繫的這個這相關的這個訊息未來會更加強這源頭的這個這個查集\n但是我們就是說因為語言隔閡還有資訊不對等所以我們是假用我們政府的機關來去做一個陷阱所以面對那個假冒政府的單位我們也是一個若是被詐騙的案子\n所以我們有沒有依照打詐事法列入這樣子的辦案有沒有說就是冒名這樣官方的網站官方的名義去詐騙所以我們是要如何去協助因為我們看到你們的有一個網站就是說為了國外的網站但是全部\n都是中文連英文都沒有所以說這個是在台灣我們現在是我們國外的人很多所以在詐騙裡面的經費被詐騙的也包含在裡面但是說我們現在都面臨這樣子的一個不只是國內的人國外人只要居住台灣的都有被詐騙所以我們希望說有沒有具體的\n委員的意思是什麼樣的就是具體的部位是哪個部位因為我們現在我們台灣已經說今天講的是我們是已經是很有名的國際有名的詐騙的一個管轄區\n所以我們不能是讓說送去中國還沒有還沒有判的我們的國民還有移工被詐騙集團就變成是提款機我們政府現在的單位有沒有去研議所以說去了解我們的這次的職責我們聯合國也四度啊 四度點名所以我們希望說我們不能再假裝不知道啦我們團隊是一直在努力沒有不知道啦\n不要讓我們的詐騙集團他們的台灣是一個溫泉所以我們希望說我們台灣這邊是不是說真正的做事的政府所以我們台灣現在新住民有60萬人移工有85萬人僑生有十幾萬人還有投資的還沒有算\n所以我希望我們的警政署是不是設一個國際打仗特別小組才能是誇部會誇國來合作的一個單位我報告一下這個是一個整體概念不是說腳痛一頭頭痛一腳那現在政府機關有\n團隊的一個打炸的一個指揮中心包括各部會是團體在一起有法律的依據那也面對這個炸機的趨勢做聚焦的打擊我們不是完全都不知不知的話那這個我覺得這個講這個太沉重了那現在\n炸機的這個趨勢也不斷的演變那我們也不斷的改變這個打炸的這個策略那從去年的打炸事法到目前為止我們已經對於案件的發生數跟案件的財損數已經有往下降的趨勢是有劣勁成效但是仍然有努力的空間我們是有有方法有團隊一起來做打炸我想這個我委員應該對我們應該有信心\n有方法有團隊但是我們現在的就是我們已經被點名四次了所以我現在是我們要來的是協助解決問題不是說我們有很偉大的多少部門但是問題的效果我們要的效果我們效果現在已經有成熟了台灣有那麼多外國人別人可以利用\n就是不同語言去詐騙不同國家的人在我們台灣但是我們呢我們有那麼多人在台灣為什麼我們不要去用一個國際打詐的一個小組團隊\n這群人來去協助你去打詐這樣子的話我們可以跨部會又可以有效的這樣子對我們的國民也好對海外的詐騙集團也好也有對我們國民有幫助嘛所以我們希望說我們要有這樣子的一個國際打詐的小組\n應用我們台灣有的資源有不同國家的語言這樣才更有效力啊我沒有說我們現在做的說多不好但是我們是建議說我們多一個管道多一個方法才對我們國民更有幫助希望我們的署長還有我們的法務部我們還有民民署我們跨部會的如何\n才不會讓說別人這樣子去點名我們就是東南亞的一個角色所以我們是要並說就是強化數位的政策希望是這樣因為時間有限所以我們希望說我們的各個部會要來跨部會來如何就是成立這樣子的一個多一個打架的小組對我們才真正的有幫助我的目的是這樣\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.437 --> 00:09.379\n主席好有請法務部長還有警政署署長署長委員好\n\n00:22.086 --> 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03:50.920\n就是這個法務部真的信任度在哪裡我們一定要了解這不是在研議已經現在已經跟陸方在做一個透過兩岸共打協議管道在聯絡在一個洽商之中了嘛所以你們是有名單了這個名單還要叫陸方提供給我們嘛有嗎那現在還在聯絡還在協議\n\n03:57.305 --> 04:14.581\n在接洽的時候所以協議到什麼時候這個我沒辦法去做跟那個保證就是等待嘛這邊神隊動不能主動這個我們主動跟人家聯繫怎麼不是呢對所以說我們就是主動但是還沒有明目嘛所以要問說都沒有明目\n\n04:16.153 --> 04:39.355\n所以好再來我們就是就問也是沒有名目嘛所以我們希望說有名目這樣對我們一天被詐騙就是兩億的我們被詐騙的人民要有一個交代啦我們才能是真的是追回這個經費這樣才是我們要的這個騙的是因為是被害人是大陸人士啊\n\n04:40.335 --> 04:50.420\n你明確這個是被害人都是大陸人數沒有我們的國民嗎?百分之百確定嗎?你百分之百確定這些嗎?你有沒有百分之百確定?他們詐騙是真的沒有我們的國民嗎?你有百分之百確定嗎?\n\n05:01.496 --> 05:08.888\n你是猜測而已嘛這不是猜測這是一個訊息一個報導嘛報導所以你都看報導來辦事的不是你們整個團隊去辦事的\n\n05:13.584 --> 05:37.829\n所以我們再來再問我們的警政署署長現在我們就是不只守住我們國人還有連台灣在我們的移工在台灣也成為詐騙集團的眼中的肥羊最近在臉書冒用我們勞動部職聘中心的名義對移工進行詐騙還有要求叫\n\n05:40.730 --> 06:05.588\n這就是我們的證件費還有結果呢也是受害了就是財務損失所以呢我們要請教說這個案子我們的警政署有沒有真實的立案偵查還有說有沒有追查到的社團的經營的IP來源還有沒有掌握相關的金流還有我們有沒有啟動這樣子的監管這個部分\n\n06:09.912 --> 06:38.673\n好這個部分我們發現有一些詐團有一些對車手的這個部分是去劣勢徵採國外的徵採或者是外籍的這個移工那我們經過這個訊息我們警方大概會了解這個源頭來做一個偵查那我們對於這個潮這個外籍的車子也是這個數量也是非常多也是非常多那目前這個狀況應該有初步的一個遏制\n\n06:39.113 --> 06:41.595\n那我們也會跟隨時跟移民署跟勞動部來隨時聯繫的這個這相關的這個訊息未來會更加強這源頭的這個這個查集\n\n06:51.091 --> 07:07.482\n但是我們就是說因為語言隔閡還有資訊不對等所以我們是假用我們政府的機關來去做一個陷阱所以面對那個假冒政府的單位我們也是一個若是被詐騙的案子\n\n07:09.523 --> 07:31.756\n所以我們有沒有依照打詐事法列入這樣子的辦案有沒有說就是冒名這樣官方的網站官方的名義去詐騙所以我們是要如何去協助因為我們看到你們的有一個網站就是說為了國外的網站但是全部\n\n07:33.243 --> 07:58.532\n都是中文連英文都沒有所以說這個是在台灣我們現在是我們國外的人很多所以在詐騙裡面的經費被詐騙的也包含在裡面但是說我們現在都面臨這樣子的一個不只是國內的人國外人只要居住台灣的都有被詐騙所以我們希望說有沒有具體的\n\n08:01.216 --> 08:13.120\n委員的意思是什麼樣的就是具體的部位是哪個部位因為我們現在我們台灣已經說今天講的是我們是已經是很有名的國際有名的詐騙的一個管轄區\n\n08:16.821 --> 08:20.623\n所以我們不能是讓說送去中國還沒有還沒有判的我們的國民還有移工被詐騙集團就變成是提款機我們政府現在的單位有沒有去研議所以說去了解我們的這次的職責我們聯合國也四度啊四度點名所以我們希望說我們不能再假裝不知道啦我們團隊是一直在努力沒有不知道啦\n\n08:44.497 --> 09:04.353\n不要讓我們的詐騙集團他們的台灣是一個溫泉所以我們希望說我們台灣這邊是不是說真正的做事的政府所以我們台灣現在新住民有60萬人移工有85萬人僑生有十幾萬人還有投資的還沒有算\n\n09:05.615 --> 09:23.677\n所以我希望我們的警政署是不是設一個國際打仗特別小組才能是誇部會誇國來合作的一個單位我報告一下這個是一個整體概念不是說腳痛一頭頭痛一腳那現在政府機關有\n\n09:25.319 --> 09:40.435\n團隊的一個打炸的一個指揮中心包括各部會是團體在一起有法律的依據那也面對這個炸機的趨勢做聚焦的打擊我們不是完全都不知不知的話那這個我覺得這個講這個太沉重了那現在\n\n09:41.636 --> 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