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00:00:32,642\n謝主席我也請鄭部長然後也請我們指揮官請正院打擊詐欺指揮中心馬指揮官委員早那肅發部的代表也準備一下好我今天的主題非常的明確喔台灣要打架國家隊台灣成立打詐國家隊但是在野黨卻在扯後腿嗎\n\n2\n00:00:34,485 --> 00:00:53,777\n口口聲聲說要打炸要防炸那今天質詢的委員呢回去之後就可以剪影片做圖卡發文說自己好關心打炸可是呢省預算的時候大砍預算大動預算讓我們的打炸政策作為\n\n3\n00:00:55,258 --> 00:01:19,143\n綁手綁腳動彈不折下一頁喔這個是速發布喔速發布是這一次政府總預算這個受災戶最嚴重的山洞合併超過七成也就是剩下三成的錢可以花當中對於監管網路平台落實廣告實名制要打炸就受阻了\n\n4\n00:01:20,043 --> 00:01:44,598\n然後我們要開發AI的分析網路詐騙的這個系統然後來減少人力的負擔自動化可以通報只剩下三成的錢可以用了我們要出國交流國際的這個情報能夠互相的匯報要司法互助我們要資安技術的合作預算剩三成我看下一個\n\n5\n00:01:48,107 --> 00:02:12,023\n內政部警政署也是重災戶啊在打詐相關預算裡頭大山大洞超過兩成所以呢你的影響就是協助人民要懂得視詐辯視詐騙這資訊傳播管道我們要宣傳我們要政策的配套我們要人力我們要物力還有網路流量記錄資料庫\n\n6\n00:02:14,404 --> 00:02:33,861\n要對打詐、毒品、槍砲、兒少性侵犯罪業務的推廣難道因為預算只剩就打八折了嗎再來我請指揮官喔還據說你們指揮中心的預算更慘到底有多慘來說一下\n\n7\n00:02:36,636 --> 00:03:00,704\n跟委員報告其實指揮中心我們所用到的預算不多但是大部分都是在我們的會議所需要因為是行政院的業務費被刪那也跟委員報告我們從去年九月份成立到現在我們現在總共各式會議我們召開了九十二次九十二場但是我們現在的預算就是每個月剩下九千塊可以租影音機那其他的預算都沒有了Pardonme\n\n8\n00:03:01,806 --> 00:03:24,899\n你的指揮中心每個月預算剩9000塊只可以租引印機那你要開92場會今年就沒得開啦我們就是開但是用我們各自複審的方式所以大家聽聽看喔請大家告訴大家行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心的預算被砍到每個月剩9000塊\n\n9\n00:03:27,694 --> 00:03:46,583\n我們到底是要支持政府打詐防詐還是要讓政府沒有辦法打詐防詐然後乾脆向詐騙集團投降好了書發布我剛剛說你們的預算七成被煽動難道你們的業務以後就打三折了嗎怎麼辦啊\n\n10\n00:03:47,879 --> 00:04:09,573\n是報告委員雖然我們的預算確實是有收到影響影響打架非常嚴重嘛對不對尤其在網路那一塊是的那但是呢因為我們還是透過公司協力的部分來跟我們的網路廣告平台業者一起來做一個努力喔所以讓你們要加倍努力啊事倍公辦啊去總結啊去合作啊去拜託民間啊做回來做\n\n11\n00:04:10,615 --> 00:04:18,462\n是我想其實民間應該也有網路廣告平台業者也有這樣的義務好警政署署長就你們怎麼辦啊\n\n12\n00:04:20,697 --> 00:04:49,459\n你們以後預算就請在野黨的委員不要來argue你們的預算你們的政策來對我覺得就是有一些我們推動的就是在宣導讓全民房災的意識能夠再做提升所以這個部分就是刪跟動的比較嚴重一點然後你的網路流量網路流量的一個這件事就是要去追源頭的這些相關的設備也是動的比較多一點動了大概8.81\n\n13\n00:04:50,820 --> 00:05:13,308\n所以啊8.8億嘛對不對我現在看到你們內政部在打詐業務光凍結就是10.8億嘛是天啊如果說在野黨的委員關心打詐要向詐騙集團宣戰結果來砍來刪來動預算那我要說在野黨就是台灣政治圈最大的詐騙集團我們看下一頁\n\n14\n00:05:18,069 --> 00:05:34,980\n今天呢主席排的這個會議主題是引用聯合國的這個毒品跟打架辦公室的一個報告剛剛我聽到前面您的回答部長的回答是說其實他的真實性還帶確認因為他不是官方確認的文件\n\n15\n00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:48,934\n但即便如此雖然不能盡信但是一些揭露的事項我們也是可以來納入參考政策的研議包括這個報告告訴了我們跨國組織犯罪的生態系已經轉型了由傳統的毒品轉向工業化的網路詐騙跟資安犯罪\n\n16\n00:05:55,861 --> 00:06:17,188\n這個報告也告訴我們詐騙集團高度的整合化跟企業化的運作虛擬資產洗錢人口販運地下金融AI都一起這個磨高一尺道就要高一丈喔第三呢這個報告也告訴我們整個犯罪據點是轉向無政府管控或是非國家武裝\n\n17\n00:06:18,769 --> 00:06:44,866\n控制的地區就是東南亞的地區這個報告告訴了我們詐騙金額實在是嚇死人光東亞東南亞就損失就這個去年度的報告370億美元這是這個報告告訴我們的下一頁可以參考的地方參考但是不能盡信也就是說不能輕易的採信的地方也請大家不要去渲染\n\n18\n00:06:46,295 --> 00:07:00,354\n這個報告有把台灣打成是詐騙之島嗎剛剛我還看在野黨的文章說恭喜喔恭喜喔台灣登上世界舞台天啊用這種幸災樂禍的心情來看待我們的國家打架的作為\n\n19\n00:07:01,616 --> 00:07:21,012\n部長您要回答之前我來提醒一下這個報告我讀到的是他們在東亞觀察出特殊經濟詐騙源區就是金三角有緬甸柬埔寨跟寮國而台灣的角色我們是受害者來源國之一就是我們是受害國家而且當然台灣跟個案的關聯有關\n\n20\n00:07:23,914 --> 00:07:37,031\n但是台灣絕對不是這個報告的主體我就以我整理了報告內的各國出現的頻率中國最高在整篇報告當中中國被提到102次台灣被提到26次\n\n21\n00:07:41,394 --> 00:08:07,985\n泰國、日本、寮國、緬甸、柬埔寨、菲律賓被提到的次數都高於台灣所以如果在野黨的委員來說這個報告你看國際證實了台灣就是全球最嚴重東南亞最慘的詐騙之島這是事實嗎?部長這個不是這個報告雖然是對我們非常的不友善但這個報告其實它的來源這個來源也是我們也是\n\n22\n00:08:09,093 --> 00:08:30,791\n他搞不好也是一個詐騙那另外他裡面的話最主要的講的就是一個東亞跟東寮各國的一個情形那當然把台灣也寫進去但是最主要的他是講說有四個案例有四個案件他有一些的主要的嫌犯或者什麼他曾經跟台灣有關聯譬如說他以前20年前或幾十年前在台灣居住後那個人來自台灣但是他已經\n\n23\n00:08:35,454 --> 00:08:59,129\n已經是落實在那些東南亞的國家了因為個案有被提及台灣的關聯但是台灣在這整個通篇報導當中告訴我們台灣其實在報告當中的身份是受害者來源國之一台灣被提及的頻率26次中國被提到102次其他國家的防詐\n\n24\n00:09:00,663 --> 00:09:16,355\n恐怕他們面對的情勢比我們更險峻但是我們台灣絕對要加強因為詐騙集團就是人民共同心中承受非常大的壓力我們必須做下一頁所以說對應於這個防詐報告的五大建議\n\n25\n00:09:17,236 --> 00:09:24,078\n我沒有時間講事實上從提高政治層級的關注行政院做到了卓院長宣告成立了防炸行動綱領2.0我們成立了打炸國家隊第二個這個報告提出要強化制度跟監管的工具以及第三點執法跟技術的能力要upgrade我們就是修了打炸四法有新的武器M化車GPS追蹤然後網路流量紀錄可以調取我們都做到\n\n26\n00:09:44,205 --> 00:10:13,391\n然後呢這個報告希望能推動整合性的回應機制台灣建立了打炸儀表板上路了還有要深化區域跟國際合作台灣努力在做包括法務部的司法互助但是很遺憾出國的預算都被在野黨的委員山根砍誰在扯台灣打炸的後腿在野黨的委員要反求諸己啊為什麼要跟自己的國家為敵啊下一頁\n\n27\n00:10:14,659 --> 00:10:27,045\n那去年我們努力的在司法法治委員會通過了打炸司法所以在法治的健全我們努力做到有了法治才能夠有政策精良的武器下一頁\n\n28\n00:10:28,194 --> 00:10:41,302\n即便我們預算被砍成這樣這些數字我精準的來整理如果我有錯部長可以指正從去年11月到今年4月我們的打炸的財損金額減少39.9%從126.6億減少到76.2億雖然76.2億還是很高啦\n\n29\n00:10:51,789 --> 00:11:07,779\n我們還是要向詐騙集團宣戰啦但是有努力有效果第二個受理的案件減少百分之十一點五也就是過去一一三年十一月有一萬八千多件的詐騙案件到今年四月已經\n\n30\n00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:36,757\n減到一萬五千九百六十一件但是還不還是讓人家很痛啊我們還是要繼續努力但是請讓我們團隊打炸國家隊努力的成果要告訴社會政府努力在做在詐騙案件跟財損金額逐步降低我的陳述正確嗎正確所以請給政府支持跟力量如果預算沒有被刪被動我相信我們可以做得更好\n\n31\n00:11:37,987 --> 00:11:43,329\n我們可以全面向詐騙集團宣戰而不是現在綁手綁腳預算解凍還要等立法院後續的程序在下一頁而以網路詐騙的猩猩犯罪裡頭因為我們推動了網路的廣告實名制這速發部的業務所以這半年來的網路詐騙的下降假投資廣告下降了31.3%網路購物下降了12.2%假買家\n\n32\n00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:13,502\n的詐騙賣家下降了17.2%假中獎通知也下降了9.27%假交友徵詐騙也下降了24.4%即便我們預算被砍被動但是速發布我們努力做到請問我的數字速發布正確嗎是的報告委員正確但是我們還是不滿意本席也不滿意下一頁\n\n33\n00:12:34,642 --> 00:12:58,551\n你們現在防堵網路平台詐騙三個階段第一個我們做到的是落實了廣告實名制今年1月1號上路但是未來要強要擴大對於平台的責任包括要求Meta、Line、Google、YT來訂定他們的防詐防欺的計畫以及要求各個平台提出年度的透明度報告你們現在磋商的如何啊\n\n34\n00:12:59,091 --> 00:13:09,903\n是報告委員有關於廣告實名制的這個部分呢各平台都已經開始在做而且已經送給我們去做合規的審查我知道但是後面你要求他們做房地房價計畫是房地房價計畫的部分呢我們五月底前會審查\n\n35\n00:13:14,268 --> 00:13:34,111\n會現在也陸續送到粉署來太好了是的這是好消息平台願意配合是是他們願意配合那並且依照這樣的一個房價計畫裡面相關的一個風險的評估跟對應的模式的處理我們也會輔導他們要去合乎他們的房價計畫來做一個進行那到年底的時候就會有一個透明度的報告出來好\n\n36\n00:13:35,632 --> 00:13:57,740\n這是好消息這麼多壞消息當中的好消息我們終於強化跟平台責任的互相公私的協力我期待你們五月提出來的好最後一點喔因為因為預算被刪被動我要提醒你們速發部現在我們我們現在的打架的兩大檢舉平台一個是速發部主管的一個是警政署的165\n\n37\n00:13:59,561 --> 00:14:26,621\n兩個當中其實案件量都很高可是你們人力有限速發部是要用AIAI去做但是預算被砍然後警政署是用人力你們人力很吃力但是兩大平台來收受這個檢舉喔雖然強強聯手可是我覺得你們的借接跟合作不夠多可能都在重複受理同樣的案件所以你們可不可以請指揮中心指揮官來匯整整合一下這兩個平台讓\n\n38\n00:14:28,923 --> 00:14:44,518\n因為也要因應預算被刪被凍速發不就沒頂沒檔啦警政署也一樣啦所以我也認為制度上讓兩大檢舉平台每個月八萬件想辦法讓他們可以合作分流而不是彼此重疊互相打架這樣可以嗎\n\n39\n00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,883\n可以的沒問題謝謝委員好我們一起努力我們無論如何向詐騙集團宣戰我們要行動預算被刪被砍但是我們的法治已經健全了就做眼前能夠做的事我們要加重300%的努力才能夠補回我們預算被刪被砍人民持續的被詐騙受害的這個狀況我給你們無限的祝福跟打氣加油謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7269\t32642\t謝主席 我也請鄭部長然後也請我們指揮官請正院打擊詐欺指揮中心馬指揮官委員早那肅發部的代表也準備一下好 我今天的主題非常的明確喔台灣要打架國家隊台灣成立打詐國家隊但是在野黨卻在扯後腿嗎\n34485\t53777\t口口聲聲說要打炸要防炸那今天質詢的委員呢回去之後就可以剪影片做圖卡發文說自己好關心打炸可是呢省預算的時候大砍預算大動預算讓我們的打炸政策作為\n55258\t79143\t綁手綁腳 動彈不折 下一頁喔這個是速發布喔 速發布是這一次政府總預算這個受災戶最嚴重的山洞合併超過七成 也就是剩下三成的錢可以花當中對於監管網路平台 落實廣告實名制要打炸就受阻了\n80043\t104598\t然後我們要開發AI的分析網路詐騙的這個系統然後來減少人力的負擔自動化可以通報只剩下三成的錢可以用了我們要出國交流國際的這個情報能夠互相的匯報要司法互助我們要資安技術的合作預算剩三成我看下一個\n108107\t132023\t內政部警政署也是重災戶啊在打詐相關預算裡頭大山大洞超過兩成所以呢你的影響就是協助人民要懂得視詐辯視詐騙這資訊傳播管道我們要宣傳我們要政策的配套我們要人力我們要物力還有網路流量記錄資料庫\n134404\t153861\t要對打詐、毒品、槍砲、兒少性侵犯罪業務的推廣難道因為預算只剩就打八折了嗎再來我請指揮官喔還據說你們指揮中心的預算更慘到底有多慘 來說一下\n156636\t180704\t跟委員報告其實指揮中心我們所用到的預算不多但是大部分都是在我們的會議所需要因為是行政院的業務費被刪那也跟委員報告我們從去年九月份成立到現在我們現在總共各式會議我們召開了九十二次九十二場但是我們現在的預算就是每個月剩下九千塊可以租影音機那其他的預算都沒有了Pardon me\n181806\t204899\t你的指揮中心每個月預算剩9000塊只可以租引印機那你要開92場會今年就沒得開啦我們就是開但是用我們各自複審的方式所以大家聽聽看喔請大家告訴大家行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心的預算被砍到每個月剩9000塊\n207694\t226583\t我們到底是要支持政府打詐防詐還是要讓政府沒有辦法打詐防詐然後乾脆向詐騙集團投降好了書發布我剛剛說你們的預算七成被煽動難道你們的業務以後就打三折了嗎 怎麼辦啊\n227879\t249573\t是 報告委員 雖然我們的預算確實是有收到影響影響打架非常嚴重嘛 對不對 尤其在網路那一塊是的 那但是呢 因為我們還是透過公司協力的部分來跟我們的網路廣告平台業者一起來做一個努力喔所以讓你們要加倍努力啊 事倍公辦啊去總結啊 去合作啊 去拜託民間啊 做回來做\n250615\t258462\t是 我想其實民間應該也有網路廣告平台業者也有這樣的義務好 警政署署長就你們怎麼辦啊\n260697\t289459\t你們以後預算就請在野黨的委員不要來argue你們的預算你們的政策來對 我覺得就是有一些我們推動的就是在宣導讓全民房災的意識能夠再做提升所以這個部分就是刪跟動的比較嚴重一點然後你的網路流量網路流量的一個這件事就是要去追源頭的這些相關的設備也是動的比較多一點動了大概8.81\n290820\t313308\t所以啊 8.8億嘛 對不對我現在看到你們內政部在打詐業務光凍結就是10.8億嘛 是天啊如果說在野黨的委員關心打詐 要向詐騙集團宣戰結果來砍 來刪 來動預算 那我要說在野黨就是台灣政治圈最大的詐騙集團我們看下一頁\n318069\t334980\t今天呢主席排的這個會議主題是引用聯合國的這個毒品跟打架辦公室的一個報告剛剛我聽到前面您的回答部長的回答是說其實他的真實性還帶確認因為他不是官方確認的文件\n335760\t348934\t但即便如此 雖然不能盡信 但是一些揭露的事項 我們也是可以來納入參考政策的研議包括這個報告告訴了我們 跨國組織犯罪的生態系已經轉型了由傳統的毒品轉向工業化的網路詐騙跟資安犯罪\n355861\t377188\t這個報告也告訴我們詐騙集團高度的整合化跟企業化的運作虛擬資產洗錢人口販運地下金融AI都一起這個磨高一尺道就要高一丈喔第三呢這個報告也告訴我們整個犯罪據點是轉向無政府管控或是非國家武裝\n378769\t404866\t控制的地區就是東南亞的地區這個報告告訴了我們詐騙金額實在是嚇死人光東亞東南亞就損失就這個去年度的報告370億美元這是這個報告告訴我們的下一頁可以參考的地方參考但是不能盡信也就是說不能輕易的採信的地方也請大家不要去渲染\n406295\t420354\t這個報告有把台灣打成是詐騙之島嗎剛剛我還看在野黨的文章說恭喜喔 恭喜喔 台灣登上世界舞台天啊 用這種幸災樂禍的心情來看待我們的國家打架的作為\n421616\t441012\t部長您要回答之前我來提醒一下這個報告我讀到的是他們在東亞觀察出特殊經濟詐騙源區就是金三角有緬甸柬埔寨跟寮國而台灣的角色我們是受害者來源國之一就是我們是受害國家而且當然台灣跟個案的關聯有關\n443914\t457031\t但是台灣絕對不是這個報告的主體我就以我整理了報告內的各國出現的頻率中國最高在整篇報告當中中國被提到102次台灣被提到26次\n461394\t487985\t泰國、日本、寮國、緬甸、柬埔寨、菲律賓被提到的次數都高於台灣所以如果在野黨的委員來說這個報告你看國際證實了台灣就是全球最嚴重東南亞最慘的詐騙之島這是事實嗎?部長這個不是這個報告雖然是對我們非常的不友善但這個報告其實它的來源這個來源也是我們也是\n489093\t510791\t他搞不好也是一個詐騙那另外他裡面的話最主要的講的就是一個東亞跟東寮各國的一個情形那當然把台灣也寫進去但是最主要的他是講說有四個案例有四個案件他有一些的主要的嫌犯或者什麼他曾經跟台灣有關聯譬如說他以前20年前或幾十年前在台灣居住後那個人來自台灣但是他已經\n515454\t539129\t已經是落實在那些東南亞的國家了因為個案有被提及台灣的關聯但是台灣在這整個通篇報導當中告訴我們台灣其實在報告當中的身份是受害者來源國之一台灣被提及的頻率26次中國被提到102次其他國家的防詐\n540663\t556355\t恐怕他們面對的情勢比我們更險峻但是我們台灣絕對要加強因為詐騙集團就是人民共同心中承受非常大的壓力我們必須做 下一頁所以說對應於這個防詐報告的五大建議\n557236\t564078\t我沒有時間講事實上從提高政治層級的關注行政院做到了卓院長宣告成立了防炸行動綱領2.0我們成立了打炸國家隊第二個這個報告提出要強化制度跟監管的工具以及第三點執法跟技術的能力要upgrade我們就是修了打炸四法有新的武器M化車GPS追蹤然後網路流量紀錄可以調取我們都做到\n584205\t613391\t然後呢這個報告希望能推動整合性的回應機制台灣建立了打炸儀表板上路了還有要深化區域跟國際合作台灣努力在做包括法務部的司法互助但是很遺憾出國的預算都被在野黨的委員山根砍誰在扯台灣打炸的後腿在野黨的委員要反求諸己啊為什麼要跟自己的國家為敵啊下一頁\n614659\t627045\t那去年我們努力的在司法法治委員會通過了打炸司法所以在法治的健全我們努力做到有了法治才能夠有政策精良的武器下一頁\n628194\t641302\t即便我們預算被砍成這樣這些數字我精準的來整理如果我有錯部長可以指正從去年11月到今年4月我們的打炸的財損金額減少39.9%從126.6億減少到76.2億雖然76.2億還是很高啦\n651789\t667779\t我們還是要向詐騙集團宣戰啦但是有努力有效果第二個受理的案件減少百分之十一點五也就是過去一一三年十一月有一萬八千多件的詐騙案件到今年四月已經\n669300\t696757\t減到一萬五千九百六十一件但是還不還是讓人家很痛啊我們還是要繼續努力但是請讓我們團隊打炸國家隊努力的成果要告訴社會政府努力在做在詐騙案件跟財損金額逐步降低我的陳述正確嗎正確所以請給政府支持跟力量如果預算沒有被刪被動我相信我們可以做得更好\n697987\t703329\t我們可以全面向詐騙集團宣戰而不是現在綁手綁腳預算解凍還要等立法院後續的程序在下一頁而以網路詐騙的猩猩犯罪裡頭因為我們推動了網路的廣告實名制這速發部的業務所以這半年來的網路詐騙的下降假投資廣告下降了31.3%網路購物下降了12.2%假買家\n727760\t733502\t的詐騙賣家下降了17.2%假中獎通知也下降了9.27%假交友徵詐騙也下降了24.4%即便我們預算被砍被動但是速發布我們努力做到請問我的數字速發布正確嗎是的 報告委員正確但是我們還是不滿意本席也不滿意 下一頁\n754642\t778551\t你們現在防堵網路平台詐騙三個階段第一個我們做到的是落實了廣告實名制今年1月1號上路但是未來要強要擴大對於平台的責任包括要求Meta、Line、Google、YT來訂定他們的防詐防欺的計畫以及要求各個平台提出年度的透明度報告你們現在磋商的如何啊\n779091\t789903\t是 報告委員有關於廣告實名制的這個部分呢各平台都已經開始在做而且已經送給我們去做合規的審查我知道 但是後面你要求他們做房地房價計畫是 房地房價計畫的部分呢我們五月底前會審查\n794268\t814111\t會現在也陸續送到粉署來太好了 是的這是好消息 平台願意配合是 是 他們願意配合那並且依照這樣的一個房價計畫裡面相關的一個風險的評估跟對應的模式的處理我們也會輔導他們要去合乎他們的房價計畫來做一個進行那到年底的時候就會有一個透明度的報告出來好\n815632\t837740\t這是好消息這麼多壞消息當中的好消息我們終於強化跟平台責任的互相公私的協力我期待你們五月提出來的好最後一點喔因為因為預算被刪被動我要提醒你們速發部現在我們我們現在的打架的兩大檢舉平台一個是速發部主管的一個是警政署的165\n839561\t866621\t兩個當中其實案件量都很高可是你們人力有限速發部是要用AIAI去做但是預算被砍然後警政署是用人力你們人力很吃力但是兩大平台來收受這個檢舉喔雖然強強聯手可是我覺得你們的借接跟合作不夠多可能都在重複受理同樣的案件所以你們可不可以請指揮中心指揮官來匯整整合一下這兩個平台讓\n868923\t884518\t因為也要因應預算 被刪 被凍 速發不就沒頂沒檔啦警政署也一樣啦所以我也認為制度上讓兩大檢舉平台每個月八萬件 想辦法讓他們可以合作分流而不是彼此重疊互相打架 這樣可以嗎\n885520\t889883\t可以的沒問題謝謝委員好我們一起努力我們無論如何向詐騙集團宣戰我們要行動預算被刪被砍但是我們的法治已經健全了就做眼前能夠做的事我們要加重300%的努力才能夠補回我們預算被刪被砍人民持續的被詐騙受害的這個狀況我給你們無限的祝福跟打氣加油謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝主席 我也請鄭部長然後也請我們指揮官請正院打擊詐欺指揮中心馬指揮官委員早那肅發部的代表也準備一下好 我今天的主題非常的明確喔台灣要打架國家隊台灣成立打詐國家隊但是在野黨卻在扯後腿嗎\n口口聲聲說要打炸要防炸那今天質詢的委員呢回去之後就可以剪影片做圖卡發文說自己好關心打炸可是呢省預算的時候大砍預算大動預算讓我們的打炸政策作為\n綁手綁腳 動彈不折 下一頁喔這個是速發布喔 速發布是這一次政府總預算這個受災戶最嚴重的山洞合併超過七成 也就是剩下三成的錢可以花當中對於監管網路平台 落實廣告實名制要打炸就受阻了\n然後我們要開發AI的分析網路詐騙的這個系統然後來減少人力的負擔自動化可以通報只剩下三成的錢可以用了我們要出國交流國際的這個情報能夠互相的匯報要司法互助我們要資安技術的合作預算剩三成我看下一個\n內政部警政署也是重災戶啊在打詐相關預算裡頭大山大洞超過兩成所以呢你的影響就是協助人民要懂得視詐辯視詐騙這資訊傳播管道我們要宣傳我們要政策的配套我們要人力我們要物力還有網路流量記錄資料庫\n要對打詐、毒品、槍砲、兒少性侵犯罪業務的推廣難道因為預算只剩就打八折了嗎再來我請指揮官喔還據說你們指揮中心的預算更慘到底有多慘 來說一下\n跟委員報告其實指揮中心我們所用到的預算不多但是大部分都是在我們的會議所需要因為是行政院的業務費被刪那也跟委員報告我們從去年九月份成立到現在我們現在總共各式會議我們召開了九十二次九十二場但是我們現在的預算就是每個月剩下九千塊可以租影音機那其他的預算都沒有了Pardon me\n你的指揮中心每個月預算剩9000塊只可以租引印機那你要開92場會今年就沒得開啦我們就是開但是用我們各自複審的方式所以大家聽聽看喔請大家告訴大家行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心的預算被砍到每個月剩9000塊\n我們到底是要支持政府打詐防詐還是要讓政府沒有辦法打詐防詐然後乾脆向詐騙集團投降好了書發布我剛剛說你們的預算七成被煽動難道你們的業務以後就打三折了嗎 怎麼辦啊\n是 報告委員 雖然我們的預算確實是有收到影響影響打架非常嚴重嘛 對不對 尤其在網路那一塊是的 那但是呢 因為我們還是透過公司協力的部分來跟我們的網路廣告平台業者一起來做一個努力喔所以讓你們要加倍努力啊 事倍公辦啊去總結啊 去合作啊 去拜託民間啊 做回來做\n是 我想其實民間應該也有網路廣告平台業者也有這樣的義務好 警政署署長就你們怎麼辦啊\n你們以後預算就請在野黨的委員不要來argue你們的預算你們的政策來對 我覺得就是有一些我們推動的就是在宣導讓全民房災的意識能夠再做提升所以這個部分就是刪跟動的比較嚴重一點然後你的網路流量網路流量的一個這件事就是要去追源頭的這些相關的設備也是動的比較多一點動了大概8.81\n所以啊 8.8億嘛 對不對我現在看到你們內政部在打詐業務光凍結就是10.8億嘛 是天啊如果說在野黨的委員關心打詐 要向詐騙集團宣戰結果來砍 來刪 來動預算 那我要說在野黨就是台灣政治圈最大的詐騙集團我們看下一頁\n今天呢主席排的這個會議主題是引用聯合國的這個毒品跟打架辦公室的一個報告剛剛我聽到前面您的回答部長的回答是說其實他的真實性還帶確認因為他不是官方確認的文件\n但即便如此 雖然不能盡信 但是一些揭露的事項 我們也是可以來納入參考政策的研議包括這個報告告訴了我們 跨國組織犯罪的生態系已經轉型了由傳統的毒品轉向工業化的網路詐騙跟資安犯罪\n這個報告也告訴我們詐騙集團高度的整合化跟企業化的運作虛擬資產洗錢人口販運地下金融AI都一起這個磨高一尺道就要高一丈喔第三呢這個報告也告訴我們整個犯罪據點是轉向無政府管控或是非國家武裝\n控制的地區就是東南亞的地區這個報告告訴了我們詐騙金額實在是嚇死人光東亞東南亞就損失就這個去年度的報告370億美元這是這個報告告訴我們的下一頁可以參考的地方參考但是不能盡信也就是說不能輕易的採信的地方也請大家不要去渲染\n這個報告有把台灣打成是詐騙之島嗎剛剛我還看在野黨的文章說恭喜喔 恭喜喔 台灣登上世界舞台天啊 用這種幸災樂禍的心情來看待我們的國家打架的作為\n部長您要回答之前我來提醒一下這個報告我讀到的是他們在東亞觀察出特殊經濟詐騙源區就是金三角有緬甸柬埔寨跟寮國而台灣的角色我們是受害者來源國之一就是我們是受害國家而且當然台灣跟個案的關聯有關\n但是台灣絕對不是這個報告的主體我就以我整理了報告內的各國出現的頻率中國最高在整篇報告當中中國被提到102次台灣被提到26次\n泰國、日本、寮國、緬甸、柬埔寨、菲律賓被提到的次數都高於台灣所以如果在野黨的委員來說這個報告你看國際證實了台灣就是全球最嚴重東南亞最慘的詐騙之島這是事實嗎?部長這個不是這個報告雖然是對我們非常的不友善但這個報告其實它的來源這個來源也是我們也是\n他搞不好也是一個詐騙那另外他裡面的話最主要的講的就是一個東亞跟東寮各國的一個情形那當然把台灣也寫進去但是最主要的他是講說有四個案例有四個案件他有一些的主要的嫌犯或者什麼他曾經跟台灣有關聯譬如說他以前20年前或幾十年前在台灣居住後那個人來自台灣但是他已經\n已經是落實在那些東南亞的國家了因為個案有被提及台灣的關聯但是台灣在這整個通篇報導當中告訴我們台灣其實在報告當中的身份是受害者來源國之一台灣被提及的頻率26次中國被提到102次其他國家的防詐\n恐怕他們面對的情勢比我們更險峻但是我們台灣絕對要加強因為詐騙集團就是人民共同心中承受非常大的壓力我們必須做 下一頁所以說對應於這個防詐報告的五大建議\n我沒有時間講事實上從提高政治層級的關注行政院做到了卓院長宣告成立了防炸行動綱領2.0我們成立了打炸國家隊第二個這個報告提出要強化制度跟監管的工具以及第三點執法跟技術的能力要upgrade我們就是修了打炸四法有新的武器M化車GPS追蹤然後網路流量紀錄可以調取我們都做到\n然後呢這個報告希望能推動整合性的回應機制台灣建立了打炸儀表板上路了還有要深化區域跟國際合作台灣努力在做包括法務部的司法互助但是很遺憾出國的預算都被在野黨的委員山根砍誰在扯台灣打炸的後腿在野黨的委員要反求諸己啊為什麼要跟自己的國家為敵啊下一頁\n那去年我們努力的在司法法治委員會通過了打炸司法所以在法治的健全我們努力做到有了法治才能夠有政策精良的武器下一頁\n即便我們預算被砍成這樣這些數字我精準的來整理如果我有錯部長可以指正從去年11月到今年4月我們的打炸的財損金額減少39.9%從126.6億減少到76.2億雖然76.2億還是很高啦\n我們還是要向詐騙集團宣戰啦但是有努力有效果第二個受理的案件減少百分之十一點五也就是過去一一三年十一月有一萬八千多件的詐騙案件到今年四月已經\n減到一萬五千九百六十一件但是還不還是讓人家很痛啊我們還是要繼續努力但是請讓我們團隊打炸國家隊努力的成果要告訴社會政府努力在做在詐騙案件跟財損金額逐步降低我的陳述正確嗎正確所以請給政府支持跟力量如果預算沒有被刪被動我相信我們可以做得更好\n我們可以全面向詐騙集團宣戰而不是現在綁手綁腳預算解凍還要等立法院後續的程序在下一頁而以網路詐騙的猩猩犯罪裡頭因為我們推動了網路的廣告實名制這速發部的業務所以這半年來的網路詐騙的下降假投資廣告下降了31.3%網路購物下降了12.2%假買家\n的詐騙賣家下降了17.2%假中獎通知也下降了9.27%假交友徵詐騙也下降了24.4%即便我們預算被砍被動但是速發布我們努力做到請問我的數字速發布正確嗎是的 報告委員正確但是我們還是不滿意本席也不滿意 下一頁\n你們現在防堵網路平台詐騙三個階段第一個我們做到的是落實了廣告實名制今年1月1號上路但是未來要強要擴大對於平台的責任包括要求Meta、Line、Google、YT來訂定他們的防詐防欺的計畫以及要求各個平台提出年度的透明度報告你們現在磋商的如何啊\n是 報告委員有關於廣告實名制的這個部分呢各平台都已經開始在做而且已經送給我們去做合規的審查我知道 但是後面你要求他們做房地房價計畫是 房地房價計畫的部分呢我們五月底前會審查\n會現在也陸續送到粉署來太好了 是的這是好消息 平台願意配合是 是 他們願意配合那並且依照這樣的一個房價計畫裡面相關的一個風險的評估跟對應的模式的處理我們也會輔導他們要去合乎他們的房價計畫來做一個進行那到年底的時候就會有一個透明度的報告出來好\n這是好消息這麼多壞消息當中的好消息我們終於強化跟平台責任的互相公私的協力我期待你們五月提出來的好最後一點喔因為因為預算被刪被動我要提醒你們速發部現在我們我們現在的打架的兩大檢舉平台一個是速發部主管的一個是警政署的165\n兩個當中其實案件量都很高可是你們人力有限速發部是要用AIAI去做但是預算被砍然後警政署是用人力你們人力很吃力但是兩大平台來收受這個檢舉喔雖然強強聯手可是我覺得你們的借接跟合作不夠多可能都在重複受理同樣的案件所以你們可不可以請指揮中心指揮官來匯整整合一下這兩個平台讓\n因為也要因應預算 被刪 被凍 速發不就沒頂沒檔啦警政署也一樣啦所以我也認為制度上讓兩大檢舉平台每個月八萬件 想辦法讓他們可以合作分流而不是彼此重疊互相打架 這樣可以嗎\n可以的沒問題謝謝委員好我們一起努力我們無論如何向詐騙集團宣戰我們要行動預算被刪被砍但是我們的法治已經健全了就做眼前能夠做的事我們要加重300%的努力才能夠補回我們預算被刪被砍人民持續的被詐騙受害的這個狀況我給你們無限的祝福跟打氣加油謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.269 --> 00:32.642\n謝主席我也請鄭部長然後也請我們指揮官請正院打擊詐欺指揮中心馬指揮官委員早那肅發部的代表也準備一下好我今天的主題非常的明確喔台灣要打架國家隊台灣成立打詐國家隊但是在野黨卻在扯後腿嗎\n\n00:34.485 --> 00:53.777\n口口聲聲說要打炸要防炸那今天質詢的委員呢回去之後就可以剪影片做圖卡發文說自己好關心打炸可是呢省預算的時候大砍預算大動預算讓我們的打炸政策作為\n\n00:55.258 --> 01:19.143\n綁手綁腳動彈不折下一頁喔這個是速發布喔速發布是這一次政府總預算這個受災戶最嚴重的山洞合併超過七成也就是剩下三成的錢可以花當中對於監管網路平台落實廣告實名制要打炸就受阻了\n\n01:20.043 --> 01:44.598\n然後我們要開發AI的分析網路詐騙的這個系統然後來減少人力的負擔自動化可以通報只剩下三成的錢可以用了我們要出國交流國際的這個情報能夠互相的匯報要司法互助我們要資安技術的合作預算剩三成我看下一個\n\n01:48.107 --> 02:12.023\n內政部警政署也是重災戶啊在打詐相關預算裡頭大山大洞超過兩成所以呢你的影響就是協助人民要懂得視詐辯視詐騙這資訊傳播管道我們要宣傳我們要政策的配套我們要人力我們要物力還有網路流量記錄資料庫\n\n02:14.404 --> 02:33.861\n要對打詐、毒品、槍砲、兒少性侵犯罪業務的推廣難道因為預算只剩就打八折了嗎再來我請指揮官喔還據說你們指揮中心的預算更慘到底有多慘來說一下\n\n02:36.636 --> 03:00.704\n跟委員報告其實指揮中心我們所用到的預算不多但是大部分都是在我們的會議所需要因為是行政院的業務費被刪那也跟委員報告我們從去年九月份成立到現在我們現在總共各式會議我們召開了九十二次九十二場但是我們現在的預算就是每個月剩下九千塊可以租影音機那其他的預算都沒有了Pardonme\n\n03:01.806 --> 03:24.899\n你的指揮中心每個月預算剩9000塊只可以租引印機那你要開92場會今年就沒得開啦我們就是開但是用我們各自複審的方式所以大家聽聽看喔請大家告訴大家行政院打擊詐欺指揮中心的預算被砍到每個月剩9000塊\n\n03:27.694 --> 03:46.583\n我們到底是要支持政府打詐防詐還是要讓政府沒有辦法打詐防詐然後乾脆向詐騙集團投降好了書發布我剛剛說你們的預算七成被煽動難道你們的業務以後就打三折了嗎怎麼辦啊\n\n03:47.879 --> 04:09.573\n是報告委員雖然我們的預算確實是有收到影響影響打架非常嚴重嘛對不對尤其在網路那一塊是的那但是呢因為我們還是透過公司協力的部分來跟我們的網路廣告平台業者一起來做一個努力喔所以讓你們要加倍努力啊事倍公辦啊去總結啊去合作啊去拜託民間啊做回來做\n\n04:10.615 --> 04:18.462\n是我想其實民間應該也有網路廣告平台業者也有這樣的義務好警政署署長就你們怎麼辦啊\n\n04:20.697 --> 04:49.459\n你們以後預算就請在野黨的委員不要來argue你們的預算你們的政策來對我覺得就是有一些我們推動的就是在宣導讓全民房災的意識能夠再做提升所以這個部分就是刪跟動的比較嚴重一點然後你的網路流量網路流量的一個這件事就是要去追源頭的這些相關的設備也是動的比較多一點動了大概8.81\n\n04:50.820 --> 05:13.308\n所以啊8.8億嘛對不對我現在看到你們內政部在打詐業務光凍結就是10.8億嘛是天啊如果說在野黨的委員關心打詐要向詐騙集團宣戰結果來砍來刪來動預算那我要說在野黨就是台灣政治圈最大的詐騙集團我們看下一頁\n\n05:18.069 --> 05:34.980\n今天呢主席排的這個會議主題是引用聯合國的這個毒品跟打架辦公室的一個報告剛剛我聽到前面您的回答部長的回答是說其實他的真實性還帶確認因為他不是官方確認的文件\n\n05:35.760 --> 05:48.934\n但即便如此雖然不能盡信但是一些揭露的事項我們也是可以來納入參考政策的研議包括這個報告告訴了我們跨國組織犯罪的生態系已經轉型了由傳統的毒品轉向工業化的網路詐騙跟資安犯罪\n\n05:55.861 --> 06:17.188\n這個報告也告訴我們詐騙集團高度的整合化跟企業化的運作虛擬資產洗錢人口販運地下金融AI都一起這個磨高一尺道就要高一丈喔第三呢這個報告也告訴我們整個犯罪據點是轉向無政府管控或是非國家武裝\n\n06:18.769 --> 06:44.866\n控制的地區就是東南亞的地區這個報告告訴了我們詐騙金額實在是嚇死人光東亞東南亞就損失就這個去年度的報告370億美元這是這個報告告訴我們的下一頁可以參考的地方參考但是不能盡信也就是說不能輕易的採信的地方也請大家不要去渲染\n\n06:46.295 --> 07:00.354\n這個報告有把台灣打成是詐騙之島嗎剛剛我還看在野黨的文章說恭喜喔恭喜喔台灣登上世界舞台天啊用這種幸災樂禍的心情來看待我們的國家打架的作為\n\n07:01.616 --> 07:21.012\n部長您要回答之前我來提醒一下這個報告我讀到的是他們在東亞觀察出特殊經濟詐騙源區就是金三角有緬甸柬埔寨跟寮國而台灣的角色我們是受害者來源國之一就是我們是受害國家而且當然台灣跟個案的關聯有關\n\n07:23.914 --> 07:37.031\n但是台灣絕對不是這個報告的主體我就以我整理了報告內的各國出現的頻率中國最高在整篇報告當中中國被提到102次台灣被提到26次\n\n07:41.394 --> 08:07.985\n泰國、日本、寮國、緬甸、柬埔寨、菲律賓被提到的次數都高於台灣所以如果在野黨的委員來說這個報告你看國際證實了台灣就是全球最嚴重東南亞最慘的詐騙之島這是事實嗎?部長這個不是這個報告雖然是對我們非常的不友善但這個報告其實它的來源這個來源也是我們也是\n\n08:09.093 --> 08:30.791\n他搞不好也是一個詐騙那另外他裡面的話最主要的講的就是一個東亞跟東寮各國的一個情形那當然把台灣也寫進去但是最主要的他是講說有四個案例有四個案件他有一些的主要的嫌犯或者什麼他曾經跟台灣有關聯譬如說他以前20年前或幾十年前在台灣居住後那個人來自台灣但是他已經\n\n08:35.454 --> 08:59.129\n已經是落實在那些東南亞的國家了因為個案有被提及台灣的關聯但是台灣在這整個通篇報導當中告訴我們台灣其實在報告當中的身份是受害者來源國之一台灣被提及的頻率26次中國被提到102次其他國家的防詐\n\n09:00.663 --> 09:16.355\n恐怕他們面對的情勢比我們更險峻但是我們台灣絕對要加強因為詐騙集團就是人民共同心中承受非常大的壓力我們必須做下一頁所以說對應於這個防詐報告的五大建議\n\n09:17.236 --> 09:24.078\n我沒有時間講事實上從提高政治層級的關注行政院做到了卓院長宣告成立了防炸行動綱領2.0我們成立了打炸國家隊第二個這個報告提出要強化制度跟監管的工具以及第三點執法跟技術的能力要upgrade我們就是修了打炸四法有新的武器M化車GPS追蹤然後網路流量紀錄可以調取我們都做到\n\n09:44.205 --> 10:13.391\n然後呢這個報告希望能推動整合性的回應機制台灣建立了打炸儀表板上路了還有要深化區域跟國際合作台灣努力在做包括法務部的司法互助但是很遺憾出國的預算都被在野黨的委員山根砍誰在扯台灣打炸的後腿在野黨的委員要反求諸己啊為什麼要跟自己的國家為敵啊下一頁\n\n10:14.659 --> 10:27.045\n那去年我們努力的在司法法治委員會通過了打炸司法所以在法治的健全我們努力做到有了法治才能夠有政策精良的武器下一頁\n\n10:28.194 --> 10:41.302\n即便我們預算被砍成這樣這些數字我精準的來整理如果我有錯部長可以指正從去年11月到今年4月我們的打炸的財損金額減少39.9%從126.6億減少到76.2億雖然76.2億還是很高啦\n\n10:51.789 --> 11:07.779\n我們還是要向詐騙集團宣戰啦但是有努力有效果第二個受理的案件減少百分之十一點五也就是過去一一三年十一月有一萬八千多件的詐騙案件到今年四月已經\n\n11:09.300 --> 11:36.757\n減到一萬五千九百六十一件但是還不還是讓人家很痛啊我們還是要繼續努力但是請讓我們團隊打炸國家隊努力的成果要告訴社會政府努力在做在詐騙案件跟財損金額逐步降低我的陳述正確嗎正確所以請給政府支持跟力量如果預算沒有被刪被動我相信我們可以做得更好\n\n11:37.987 --> 11:43.329\n我們可以全面向詐騙集團宣戰而不是現在綁手綁腳預算解凍還要等立法院後續的程序在下一頁而以網路詐騙的猩猩犯罪裡頭因為我們推動了網路的廣告實名制這速發部的業務所以這半年來的網路詐騙的下降假投資廣告下降了31.3%網路購物下降了12.2%假買家\n\n12:07.760 --> 12:13.502\n的詐騙賣家下降了17.2%假中獎通知也下降了9.27%假交友徵詐騙也下降了24.4%即便我們預算被砍被動但是速發布我們努力做到請問我的數字速發布正確嗎是的報告委員正確但是我們還是不滿意本席也不滿意下一頁\n\n12:34.642 --> 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