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輸入他自己的自然冷憑證有的去查到他確實有沒有去連署或是有人冒用他的名字去連署這是不是未來我們要徹底的改革\n這個我們考慮到的第一個就是個人資料的一個保護恐怕需要再深入的討論那關於這個電子的部分我們現在就罷免的部分是罷免連署的電子罷免案的電子連署大概這個系統我們已經建立的差不多了\n如果認為說要開放個人的查詢的話可不可能在現有系統的情況之下架構之下來增加它的功能這個都要做進一步的討論\n我希望主委我們還是要擔當這個我們中選委一定要對民眾有一個交代民眾比較透明去了解說到底他有沒有去冒用有沒有被冒用或是臨時有沒有不實\n讓他們更為透明化這是本市的建議讓我們可以檢焦民眾的疑慮再來呢因為我早上我看我們中選會的經費我們的一倍金剩100萬那你未來這二接的罷免二接要即將邁入三接的\n的選舉,那你這個金會過嗎?這當然不過,當然不過我看到行政院的一倍金也剩差不多一千多萬那未來你要怎樣去辦這個選舉呢?\n這個一定要申請行政院准於動之第二預備金因為這個金額也相當龐大對啊對啊所以你那個經費你也是要先去處理啊是我們行政院也很關心我們經常保持聯繫對對好那再來就是問我新北市啦我新北市的選區\n現在我我我手上我看很多媒體都在報導說新莊新莊有7個議員他平均是一個議員是60457人那土室三英平均有\n有十個議員平均是六萬兩千四百八十人那一個議員還多了兩千人那媒體都在報導啊說我們山陰地區啊我們議員會少一席啊領口會增加一席啊那我看那個人口的結果裡面下去算的比例我們這邊還多了兩千多人啊那是不是請主委\n我們新北市誰負責的找他們來回覆好不好 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