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00:01:15,957\n可是花蓮縣政府說因為這個錢國發基金來的不容易爭取很怕如果沒有往下蓋這個錢就不見了但是我們看到相關的文資審議跟辦法裡頭其實文化部應該可以有一些作為應該不要放任地方政府就做出倉促的決定在之前2018年南投埔里鄉為了設置鎮長歡迎您的一個電子看板\n\n5\n00:01:21,258 --> 00:01:34,287\n就破壞了當地的文資那已經無可挽回那我們很希望最近這個新的案例文化部可以有一些角色可不可以請部長回應一下就其實這個東西因為他全力在\n\n6\n00:01:35,273 --> 00:01:59,547\n那個地方政府所以我們其實已經知道這個事情我們請花蓮縣政府要按照文資法相關規定來辦理然後尊重審議會因為他會成立一個審議會專業審議這是在法令上但是在我個人來講這個真的是非常重要的一個發現六千年到四千三百年這個對台灣的歷史來講是非常重要的新時期時代\n\n7\n00:02:00,367 --> 00:02:26,274\n所以我想在我們權力範圍內我們會要求花蓮縣政府慎重處理這個好那因為我很怕花蓮縣政府只是被查報請文化部被查不管是審議會的專家委員夠不夠或者是可信任度夠不夠或者是有沒有請聽民意請聽當地議員的聲音我都希望文化部可以在合法規範的情況下積極的督導跟協助地方政府\n\n8\n00:02:26,914 --> 00:02:37,901\n好謝謝那接下來跟部長快速討論一下文化幣已經上路兩年了那感謝文化部今年開始把年齡向下延伸到13歲這個事情非常重要可是相關政策我們都要來看現在實行的狀況第一個我們來看文化幣的消費點的分類我覺得有\n\n9\n00:02:43,784 --> 00:03:07,753\n值得討論的地方現在把所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗框在一起全台灣的體驗點一萬五千多也就是佔百分之八十幾可是到底什麼叫表演藝術什麼叫文化體驗說實話現在的分類是不清不楚的根據文化部你們給我們的說明說所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗含了音樂表演視覺等藝術展演及文化體驗活動的\n\n10\n00:03:10,414 --> 00:03:34,202\n據點周邊展會市集活動票券售票平台可是如果我們要把這個文化幣消費的資料跟消費者的喜好變成未來產業發展或是文化部在擬定相關政策這些數據絕對是重要參考但是因為現在都混在一起了其實我認為光是你們文化部未來做政策規劃你們都會覺得很困擾到底這所謂的\n\n11\n00:03:36,143 --> 00:03:57,542\n15000多個點混在一起到底是什麼狀況好所以我認為這樣的統計沒有問題但是這個分類有問題所以才會得到這個統計數字這是第一個我覺得分類有問題第二個我們可以看到目前文化幣的消費點跟主要消費區域集中在台北台中高雄接下來才是另外三都新北桃園跟台南這是目前你們給我們的數據\n\n12\n00:03:58,823 --> 00:04:11,389\n那我們來看一下在不同縣市的消費點我來抓一個最大的好了最大消費族群在圖書出版跟點位最多的表演文化藝術體驗這個變化量都不大可是表演藝術文化體驗的變化量比較大\n\n13\n00:04:15,111 --> 00:04:38,643\n怎麼說因為縣市落差實在太大例如說在台北跟嘉義的獨立書店台中跟新竹的表演藝術文化部長這個相關數字你都看得見這些現象我認為剛好文化幣上路兩年了我們應該要用這些珍貴的數字來看未來台灣在做圖書出版也好表演藝術及文化體驗不管是考慮到城鄉差距考慮到\n\n14\n00:04:40,764 --> 00:05:05,589\n補助扶植產業各式各樣我們都要回過頭來看這些數據這是第二個方向提供給部長參考第三個我們來看領取率因為領取率其實對文化部應該最重要因為你們要知道達成率現在各縣市的領取率全台灣是86%我們如果把不足80的標出來部長你這邊有看到台北市是不足80的可是我覺得有一個點很有趣部長你看一下台東\n\n15\n00:05:07,009 --> 00:05:12,115\n是全台灣第三台灣台東台東他有全台灣第三多的文化幣消費點他有2090個消費點僅次於台北4180個台中6796個第三名他的消費點是第三多\n\n16\n00:05:25,711 --> 00:05:43,491\n可是它的領取率卻只有56%如果我們希望文化幣的發放是促成改善偏鄉跟城鄉差距的話我們應該要回過頭問台東有這麼多個點可是為什麼台東的青年領取率很低\n\n17\n00:05:44,492 --> 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我想要跟部長討論有一個案子是最近發生在花蓮的新城因為他們要蓋一個新建大樓是用國發基金結果在蓋大樓的過程當中發現有非常少見的大分科文化城市目前台灣最早的新石器時代群\n33576\t56153\t那當地的議員跟文化局進而開了相關的考察會議很多專家學者說不要倉促搶救要嚴謹評估主要是因為在我們的相關辦法裡面呢如果有發現考古遺址在新建的大樓原地我們可以幾個方法一個是原地保留變更設計搶救發掘那目前可能最好的方法是原地保留\n56673\t75957\t可是花蓮縣政府說因為這個錢國發基金來的不容易爭取很怕如果沒有往下蓋這個錢就不見了但是我們看到相關的文資審議跟辦法裡頭其實文化部應該可以有一些作為應該不要放任地方政府就做出倉促的決定在之前2018年南投埔里鄉為了設置鎮長歡迎您的一個電子看板\n81258\t94287\t就破壞了當地的文資那已經無可挽回那我們很希望最近這個新的案例文化部可以有一些角色可不可以請部長回應一下就其實這個東西因為他全力在\n95273\t119547\t那個地方政府所以我們其實已經知道這個事情我們請花蓮縣政府要按照文資法相關規定來辦理然後尊重審議會因為他會成立一個審議會專業審議這是在法令上但是在我個人來講這個真的是非常重要的一個發現六千年到四千三百年這個對台灣的歷史來講是非常重要的新時期時代\n120367\t146274\t所以我想在我們權力範圍內我們會要求花蓮縣政府慎重處理這個好那因為我很怕花蓮縣政府只是被查報請文化部被查不管是審議會的專家委員夠不夠或者是可信任度夠不夠或者是有沒有請聽民意請聽當地議員的聲音我都希望文化部可以在合法規範的情況下積極的督導跟協助地方政府\n146914\t157901\t好謝謝那接下來跟部長快速討論一下文化幣已經上路兩年了那感謝文化部今年開始把年齡向下延伸到13歲這個事情非常重要可是相關政策我們都要來看現在實行的狀況第一個我們來看文化幣的消費點的分類我覺得有\n163784\t187753\t值得討論的地方現在把所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗框在一起全台灣的體驗點一萬五千多也就是佔百分之八十幾可是到底什麼叫表演藝術什麼叫文化體驗說實話現在的分類是不清不楚的根據文化部你們給我們的說明說所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗含了音樂表演視覺等藝術展演及文化體驗活動的\n190414\t214202\t據點周邊展會市集活動票券售票平台可是如果我們要把這個文化幣消費的資料跟消費者的喜好變成未來產業發展或是文化部在擬定相關政策這些數據絕對是重要參考但是因為現在都混在一起了其實我認為光是你們文化部未來做政策規劃你們都會覺得很困擾到底這所謂的\n216143\t237542\t15000多個點混在一起到底是什麼狀況好所以我認為這樣的統計沒有問題但是這個分類有問題所以才會得到這個統計數字這是第一個我覺得分類有問題第二個我們可以看到目前文化幣的消費點跟主要消費區域集中在台北台中高雄接下來才是另外三都新北桃園跟台南這是目前你們給我們的數據\n238823\t251389\t那我們來看一下在不同縣市的消費點我來抓一個最大的好了最大消費族群在圖書出版跟點位最多的表演文化藝術體驗這個變化量都不大可是表演藝術文化體驗的變化量比較大\n255111\t278643\t怎麼說因為縣市落差實在太大例如說在台北跟嘉義的獨立書店台中跟新竹的表演藝術文化部長這個相關數字你都看得見這些現象我認為剛好文化幣上路兩年了我們應該要用這些珍貴的數字來看未來台灣在做圖書出版也好表演藝術及文化體驗不管是考慮到城鄉差距考慮到\n280764\t305589\t補助扶植產業各式各樣我們都要回過頭來看這些數據這是第二個方向提供給部長參考第三個我們來看領取率因為領取率其實對文化部應該最重要因為你們要知道達成率現在各縣市的領取率全台灣是86%我們如果把不足80的標出來部長你這邊有看到台北市是不足80的可是我覺得有一個點很有趣部長你看一下台東\n307009\t312115\t是全台灣第三台灣台東台東他有全台灣第三多的文化幣消費點他有2090個消費點僅次於台北4180個台中6796個第三名他的消費點是第三多\n325711\t343491\t可是它的領取率卻只有56%如果我們希望文化幣的發放是促成改善偏鄉跟城鄉差距的話我們應該要回過頭問台東有這麼多個點可是為什麼台東的青年領取率很低\n344492\t359584\t我覺得我們有沒有機會來做這個分析跟研究或者是我們去做相關問卷去傾聽一下台東戶籍在台東那他可能是沒有下載也可能是他不知道或是他下載了之後他發現這兩千多個點他都不好用\n360365\t374903\t因為我覺得很奇怪它的點這麼多是全台灣第三多但是它的領取率卻非常非常低幾乎是最低56%所以我剛剛以上講了這麼多我想要快速給文化部一些建議第一個我想請文化部把表演藝術跟視覺藝術單獨拉出來統計\n378787\t387930\t而文化體驗所含括的市集活動票券消費平台要應該標示出來並且應該在文化幣的網站使用報告上說明各類別的商家定義種類等重要資訊給藝文界參考也給文化部部內自己做政策規劃的參考還有我認為要設計相關的使用回饋問卷\n401334\t417935\t因為已經上路兩年了錢已經花這麼多我認為相關的問卷會讓我們更加理解領文化幣的青年13到22歲他們的需求跟這些政策如何更靠近他們好 以上那部長可不可以給我們這個報告兩個月內我剛提了這麼多的問題\n421445\t431358\t可以有兩個月內我們會往下追蹤謝謝你剛才提的非常有意思我們來做一個報告一定需要的因為你們後續也需要做政策規劃好不好謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝陳培宇委員部長請回再來我們請黃婕委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 那有請部長 謝謝好 我們請李部長\n好 謝謝部長好 委員好好 部長我們絕對沒有年齡歧視的問題我要再次重申這個立場非常的嚴肅好 我想要跟部長討論有一個案子是最近發生在花蓮的新城因為他們要蓋一個新建大樓是用國發基金結果在蓋大樓的過程當中發現有非常少見的大分科文化城市目前台灣最早的新石器時代群\n那當地的議員跟文化局進而開了相關的考察會議很多專家學者說不要倉促搶救要嚴謹評估主要是因為在我們的相關辦法裡面呢如果有發現考古遺址在新建的大樓原地我們可以幾個方法一個是原地保留變更設計搶救發掘那目前可能最好的方法是原地保留\n可是花蓮縣政府說因為這個錢國發基金來的不容易爭取很怕如果沒有往下蓋這個錢就不見了但是我們看到相關的文資審議跟辦法裡頭其實文化部應該可以有一些作為應該不要放任地方政府就做出倉促的決定在之前2018年南投埔里鄉為了設置鎮長歡迎您的一個電子看板\n就破壞了當地的文資那已經無可挽回那我們很希望最近這個新的案例文化部可以有一些角色可不可以請部長回應一下就其實這個東西因為他全力在\n那個地方政府所以我們其實已經知道這個事情我們請花蓮縣政府要按照文資法相關規定來辦理然後尊重審議會因為他會成立一個審議會專業審議這是在法令上但是在我個人來講這個真的是非常重要的一個發現六千年到四千三百年這個對台灣的歷史來講是非常重要的新時期時代\n所以我想在我們權力範圍內我們會要求花蓮縣政府慎重處理這個好那因為我很怕花蓮縣政府只是被查報請文化部被查不管是審議會的專家委員夠不夠或者是可信任度夠不夠或者是有沒有請聽民意請聽當地議員的聲音我都希望文化部可以在合法規範的情況下積極的督導跟協助地方政府\n好謝謝那接下來跟部長快速討論一下文化幣已經上路兩年了那感謝文化部今年開始把年齡向下延伸到13歲這個事情非常重要可是相關政策我們都要來看現在實行的狀況第一個我們來看文化幣的消費點的分類我覺得有\n值得討論的地方現在把所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗框在一起全台灣的體驗點一萬五千多也就是佔百分之八十幾可是到底什麼叫表演藝術什麼叫文化體驗說實話現在的分類是不清不楚的根據文化部你們給我們的說明說所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗含了音樂表演視覺等藝術展演及文化體驗活動的\n據點周邊展會市集活動票券售票平台可是如果我們要把這個文化幣消費的資料跟消費者的喜好變成未來產業發展或是文化部在擬定相關政策這些數據絕對是重要參考但是因為現在都混在一起了其實我認為光是你們文化部未來做政策規劃你們都會覺得很困擾到底這所謂的\n15000多個點混在一起到底是什麼狀況好所以我認為這樣的統計沒有問題但是這個分類有問題所以才會得到這個統計數字這是第一個我覺得分類有問題第二個我們可以看到目前文化幣的消費點跟主要消費區域集中在台北台中高雄接下來才是另外三都新北桃園跟台南這是目前你們給我們的數據\n那我們來看一下在不同縣市的消費點我來抓一個最大的好了最大消費族群在圖書出版跟點位最多的表演文化藝術體驗這個變化量都不大可是表演藝術文化體驗的變化量比較大\n怎麼說因為縣市落差實在太大例如說在台北跟嘉義的獨立書店台中跟新竹的表演藝術文化部長這個相關數字你都看得見這些現象我認為剛好文化幣上路兩年了我們應該要用這些珍貴的數字來看未來台灣在做圖書出版也好表演藝術及文化體驗不管是考慮到城鄉差距考慮到\n補助扶植產業各式各樣我們都要回過頭來看這些數據這是第二個方向提供給部長參考第三個我們來看領取率因為領取率其實對文化部應該最重要因為你們要知道達成率現在各縣市的領取率全台灣是86%我們如果把不足80的標出來部長你這邊有看到台北市是不足80的可是我覺得有一個點很有趣部長你看一下台東\n是全台灣第三台灣台東台東他有全台灣第三多的文化幣消費點他有2090個消費點僅次於台北4180個台中6796個第三名他的消費點是第三多\n可是它的領取率卻只有56%如果我們希望文化幣的發放是促成改善偏鄉跟城鄉差距的話我們應該要回過頭問台東有這麼多個點可是為什麼台東的青年領取率很低\n我覺得我們有沒有機會來做這個分析跟研究或者是我們去做相關問卷去傾聽一下台東戶籍在台東那他可能是沒有下載也可能是他不知道或是他下載了之後他發現這兩千多個點他都不好用\n因為我覺得很奇怪它的點這麼多是全台灣第三多但是它的領取率卻非常非常低幾乎是最低56%所以我剛剛以上講了這麼多我想要快速給文化部一些建議第一個我想請文化部把表演藝術跟視覺藝術單獨拉出來統計\n而文化體驗所含括的市集活動票券消費平台要應該標示出來並且應該在文化幣的網站使用報告上說明各類別的商家定義種類等重要資訊給藝文界參考也給文化部部內自己做政策規劃的參考還有我認為要設計相關的使用回饋問卷\n因為已經上路兩年了錢已經花這麼多我認為相關的問卷會讓我們更加理解領文化幣的青年13到22歲他們的需求跟這些政策如何更靠近他們好 以上那部長可不可以給我們這個報告兩個月內我剛提了這麼多的問題\n可以有兩個月內我們會往下追蹤謝謝你剛才提的非常有意思我們來做一個報告一定需要的因為你們後續也需要做政策規劃好不好謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝陳培宇委員部長請回再來我們請黃婕委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.430 --> 00:04.477\n謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝好我們請李部長\n\n00:07.841 --> 00:32.836\n好謝謝部長好委員好好部長我們絕對沒有年齡歧視的問題我要再次重申這個立場非常的嚴肅好我想要跟部長討論有一個案子是最近發生在花蓮的新城因為他們要蓋一個新建大樓是用國發基金結果在蓋大樓的過程當中發現有非常少見的大分科文化城市目前台灣最早的新石器時代群\n\n00:33.576 --> 00:56.153\n那當地的議員跟文化局進而開了相關的考察會議很多專家學者說不要倉促搶救要嚴謹評估主要是因為在我們的相關辦法裡面呢如果有發現考古遺址在新建的大樓原地我們可以幾個方法一個是原地保留變更設計搶救發掘那目前可能最好的方法是原地保留\n\n00:56.673 --> 01:15.957\n可是花蓮縣政府說因為這個錢國發基金來的不容易爭取很怕如果沒有往下蓋這個錢就不見了但是我們看到相關的文資審議跟辦法裡頭其實文化部應該可以有一些作為應該不要放任地方政府就做出倉促的決定在之前2018年南投埔里鄉為了設置鎮長歡迎您的一個電子看板\n\n01:21.258 --> 01:34.287\n就破壞了當地的文資那已經無可挽回那我們很希望最近這個新的案例文化部可以有一些角色可不可以請部長回應一下就其實這個東西因為他全力在\n\n01:35.273 --> 01:59.547\n那個地方政府所以我們其實已經知道這個事情我們請花蓮縣政府要按照文資法相關規定來辦理然後尊重審議會因為他會成立一個審議會專業審議這是在法令上但是在我個人來講這個真的是非常重要的一個發現六千年到四千三百年這個對台灣的歷史來講是非常重要的新時期時代\n\n02:00.367 --> 02:26.274\n所以我想在我們權力範圍內我們會要求花蓮縣政府慎重處理這個好那因為我很怕花蓮縣政府只是被查報請文化部被查不管是審議會的專家委員夠不夠或者是可信任度夠不夠或者是有沒有請聽民意請聽當地議員的聲音我都希望文化部可以在合法規範的情況下積極的督導跟協助地方政府\n\n02:26.914 --> 02:37.901\n好謝謝那接下來跟部長快速討論一下文化幣已經上路兩年了那感謝文化部今年開始把年齡向下延伸到13歲這個事情非常重要可是相關政策我們都要來看現在實行的狀況第一個我們來看文化幣的消費點的分類我覺得有\n\n02:43.784 --> 03:07.753\n值得討論的地方現在把所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗框在一起全台灣的體驗點一萬五千多也就是佔百分之八十幾可是到底什麼叫表演藝術什麼叫文化體驗說實話現在的分類是不清不楚的根據文化部你們給我們的說明說所謂表演藝術跟文化體驗含了音樂表演視覺等藝術展演及文化體驗活動的\n\n03:10.414 --> 03:34.202\n據點周邊展會市集活動票券售票平台可是如果我們要把這個文化幣消費的資料跟消費者的喜好變成未來產業發展或是文化部在擬定相關政策這些數據絕對是重要參考但是因為現在都混在一起了其實我認為光是你們文化部未來做政策規劃你們都會覺得很困擾到底這所謂的\n\n03:36.143 --> 03:57.542\n15000多個點混在一起到底是什麼狀況好所以我認為這樣的統計沒有問題但是這個分類有問題所以才會得到這個統計數字這是第一個我覺得分類有問題第二個我們可以看到目前文化幣的消費點跟主要消費區域集中在台北台中高雄接下來才是另外三都新北桃園跟台南這是目前你們給我們的數據\n\n03:58.823 --> 04:11.389\n那我們來看一下在不同縣市的消費點我來抓一個最大的好了最大消費族群在圖書出版跟點位最多的表演文化藝術體驗這個變化量都不大可是表演藝術文化體驗的變化量比較大\n\n04:15.111 --> 04:38.643\n怎麼說因為縣市落差實在太大例如說在台北跟嘉義的獨立書店台中跟新竹的表演藝術文化部長這個相關數字你都看得見這些現象我認為剛好文化幣上路兩年了我們應該要用這些珍貴的數字來看未來台灣在做圖書出版也好表演藝術及文化體驗不管是考慮到城鄉差距考慮到\n\n04:40.764 --> 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