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00:01:22,494\n一個是官方網站上面的頁面直接寫到主辦單位超奇娛樂那右邊是一位粉絲去私訊這個他們認定的藝尚主辦單位他想要跟他詢問一些售票的一些細節結果呢這個藝尚跟他說你好如果有問題請詢問超奇娛樂說他們不是主辦\n\n5\n00:01:34,125 --> 00:01:54,240\n所以現在出現了一個非常大的問題是有這麼多接下來可能會遇到的消費爭議可是連主辦到底是誰都不知道是不是可以請部長在這邊再次的回去請文化請我們同仁好好的調查因為這攸關接下來粉絲到底會不會遇到任何的消費爭議的問題因為現在的消費爭議就已經很多了幫我下一頁\n\n6\n00:02:01,209 --> 00:02:17,729\n那這個是第一個想要請部長幫我們回去調查的一件事情到底有沒有合法因為如果他是澳門的公司必須還要符合一些中港澳在台的一些的商業行為的規範嘛那也要符合兩岸條例跟公司法\n\n7\n00:02:18,109 --> 00:02:33,133\n那第二個是這個超級娛樂我們也去調查了他背後的負責人這個澳門人他其實是中國的一個統戰部底下共青團的成員那如果他的身份又這麼複雜的話\n\n8\n00:02:35,114 --> 00:03:02,523\n也還有可能會違反兩岸條例裡面跟中國黨務有一些合作的行為也有可能違反兩岸條例所以第二件事情想要請文化部接下來也回去再跟陸委會一起協助的部分就是如果這個超級娛樂背後有一些就是類似統戰他們有一些相關的合作的話是不是有違反兩岸條例這個也要拜託部長好下一個\n\n9\n00:03:03,988 --> 00:03:22,242\n好那再來就進到這個整件事情最大的爭議點這個是直接在網路上的一個看起來是已經是黃牛的一個販售行為在還沒有開賣之前我說5月10號才賣票嘛可是在此之前網路上已經有人在販售囉而且還是加價販售\n\n10\n00:03:23,283 --> 00:03:40,035\n然後他們是一個中國的公司那所以台灣很多粉絲就很困惑說那請問我現在像這個已經明確的黃牛我到底要怎麼處理如果你說在台灣的主辦單位叫做藝尚公司的話那像這種東西到底該怎麼處理呢再看下一頁\n\n11\n00:03:41,748 --> 00:03:57,681\n這個是這兩張圖都是目前已經出現在這個中國網站上面的黃牛的售票資訊那像這部分到底該怎麼辦是不是先請我們文化部部長或同仁可不可以跟我們說明一下像這種情形到底該怎麼處理\n\n12\n00:03:58,783 --> 00:04:25,734\n好這個問題其實我覺得蠻嚴重因為如果這件事情如果不面對未來會這種灰色地帶會一直生存所以我覺得我們文化部能夠了解就是其實我們已經開始進入跟經濟部什麼已經開始談將來下一步就是要跟陸委會經濟部來一起討論目前我們能做的就希望大家不要買因為它現在已經做成是一個它的操作是在境外\n\n13\n00:04:26,474 --> 00:04:42,045\n中國的操作然後剛剛委員有提供我們一個更勁爆就是他的這個負責人是一個有這種背景的有官方背景的那我一直是很贊成文化交流可是文化交流的另外一面就是\n\n14\n00:04:42,705 --> 00:05:06,655\n文化滲透我們都了解中國現在對文化滲透是非常積極的像這樣的一個事情其實就已經有點接近了這件事情很嚴重那我想我們積極的去跟陸委會還有經濟部來了解像這樣一個我們現在怎麼制裁他在這麼短時間內我們除了呼籲之外我們就只能追究在台灣的這一家善意這樣\n\n15\n00:05:07,495 --> 00:05:24,298\n好那所以所以我覺得接下來要趕快釐清因為現在其實文化部初步給我的回覆是說在5月10號官方開賣之前的所有的這些網站的票券都不要買嘛呼籲大家不要就等於是很有可能受騙上當\n\n16\n00:05:25,299 --> 00:05:40,881\n因為它等於就是類似詐騙的行為了嘛對啊它不只是黃牛它甚至因為它沒有任何保障因為它不是來自官方的訊息所以在此之前也呼籲大家就不要購買了那一切的官方資訊以5月10號官方網站公告的資訊為主對嗎\n\n17\n00:05:42,763 --> 00:05:58,682\n這是第一個我覺得委員提出來之後這個馬上就會變成一個話題一個議題應該很多人會注意到這個地方好這是第一個但是現在的問題是說很明顯現在這個上億公司很有可能它只是一個就是境內的代理\n\n18\n00:05:59,403 --> 00:06:17,168\n他是一個空的沒有實質在運作的所以如果接下來如果消費者有跟這個主辦單位有任何的消費爭議就例如說他售票退票換票然後有任何的可能有私下的一些黃牛的行為那我們是可以請這個益尚公司出來負責的嗎\n\n19\n00:06:19,008 --> 00:06:37,409\n我們已經通知這個藝商公司跟他講說這個所有行為包括他的iPhone要怎麼賣這些我們都提醒他萬一出事我們就追究好謝謝部長的承諾這件事情非常重要因為直到現在官方網站上面寫的主辦單位都還叫做超級\n\n20\n00:06:38,991 --> 00:07:01,360\n也就是說他們大剌剌的把這個中國的網站這個澳門的這個家公司當然背後也是中國的一個母公司啦他直接寫說他是主辦單位喔等於是如果我們沒有去跟他確認說在台有一個合法的一個公司的話看起來就是我們讓一個中國的公司在台灣辦一個非法的活動喔\n\n21\n00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:27,487\n這個必須要釐清所以他沒有在台灣登記子公司沒錯他是違法的他在台灣沒有登記所以這件事情一定要讓更多人知道這個主辦單位他上面這個寫超期是不對的不可以這樣寫這個也要拜託我們文化部跟這個上億公司想清楚說你不能在台灣辦活動結果你直接用一個境外的公司直接大剌剌的寫你是主辦好謝謝那最後最後葉\n\n22\n00:07:31,789 --> 00:07:55,459\n好最後兩個就是我給部長看的一個示範圖這個是普信會的見面會然後下一個這個是李敏昊的見面會那其實從照片就可以很明確看到他們在演出嘛那所以我在這邊還是再次的呈置最後一次的建議就是我們剛剛也做成了臨時提案的建議就是拜託文化部回去演你\n\n23\n00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:59,902\n因為實質上粉絲見面會這種簽名握手會雖然是叫這個名稱但它實質上就是一個演藝人員的表演活動然後他們這種販售的售票行為其實往往都是更搶手的因為可能名額很有限因為要可以互動所以這種等於是小型的有點類似小型的演藝活動了\n\n24\n00:08:19,913 --> 00:08:35,698\n這種因為它名額很少所以那種搶購的樣態更多那很擔心就是會有人從中謀利當然我們要杜絕這樣的黃牛一定是要更積極的查處才行那我也知道文化部非常辛苦因為檢舉量很大\n\n25\n00:08:37,859 --> 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請我們同仁好好的調查因為這攸關接下來粉絲到底會不會遇到任何的消費爭議的問題因為現在的消費爭議就已經很多了幫我下一頁\n121209\t137729\t那這個是第一個想要請部長幫我們回去調查的一件事情到底有沒有合法因為如果他是澳門的公司必須還要符合一些中港澳在台的一些的商業行為的規範嘛那也要符合兩岸條例跟公司法\n138109\t153133\t那第二個是這個超級娛樂我們也去調查了他背後的負責人這個澳門人他其實是中國的一個統戰部底下共青團的成員那如果他的身份又這麼複雜的話\n155114\t182523\t也還有可能會違反兩岸條例裡面跟中國黨務有一些合作的行為也有可能違反兩岸條例所以第二件事情想要請文化部接下來也回去再跟陸委會一起協助的部分就是如果這個超級娛樂背後有一些就是類似統戰他們有一些相關的合作的話是不是有違反兩岸條例這個也要拜託部長好 下一個\n183988\t202242\t好那再來就進到這個整件事情最大的爭議點這個是直接在網路上的一個看起來是已經是黃牛的一個販售行為在還沒有開賣之前我說5月10號才賣票嘛可是在此之前網路上已經有人在販售囉而且還是加價販售\n203283\t220035\t然後他們是一個中國的公司那所以台灣很多粉絲就很困惑說那請問我現在像這個已經明確的黃牛我到底要怎麼處理如果你說在台灣的主辦單位叫做藝尚公司的話那像這種東西到底該怎麼處理呢再看下一頁\n221748\t237681\t這個是這兩張圖都是目前已經出現在這個中國網站上面的黃牛的售票資訊那像這部分到底該怎麼辦是不是先請我們文化部部長或同仁可不可以跟我們說明一下像這種情形到底該怎麼處理\n238783\t265734\t好 這個問題其實我覺得蠻嚴重因為如果這件事情如果不面對未來會這種灰色地帶會一直生存所以我覺得我們文化部能夠了解就是其實我們已經開始進入跟經濟部什麼已經開始談將來下一步就是要跟陸委會經濟部來一起討論目前我們能做的就希望大家不要買因為它現在已經做成是一個它的操作是在境外\n266474\t282045\t中國的操作然後剛剛委員有提供我們一個更勁爆就是他的這個負責人是一個有這種背景的有官方背景的那我一直是很贊成文化交流可是文化交流的另外一面就是\n282705\t306655\t文化滲透我們都了解中國現在對文化滲透是非常積極的像這樣的一個事情其實就已經有點接近了這件事情很嚴重那我想我們積極的去跟陸委會還有經濟部來了解像這樣一個我們現在怎麼制裁他在這麼短時間內我們除了呼籲之外我們就只能追究在台灣的這一家善意這樣\n307495\t324298\t好 那所以所以我覺得接下來要趕快釐清因為現在其實文化部初步給我的回覆是說在5月10號官方開賣之前的所有的這些網站的票券都不要買嘛呼籲大家不要就等於是很有可能受騙上當\n325299\t340881\t因為它等於就是類似詐騙的行為了嘛對啊它不只是黃牛它甚至因為它沒有任何保障因為它不是來自官方的訊息所以在此之前也呼籲大家就不要購買了那一切的官方資訊以5月10號官方網站公告的資訊為主對嗎\n342763\t358682\t這是第一個我覺得委員提出來之後這個馬上就會變成一個話題一個議題應該很多人會注意到這個地方好 這是第一個但是現在的問題是說很明顯現在這個上億公司很有可能它只是一個就是境內的代理\n359403\t377168\t他是一個空的沒有實質在運作的所以如果接下來如果消費者有跟這個主辦單位有任何的消費爭議就例如說他售票退票換票然後有任何的可能有私下的一些黃牛的行為那我們是可以請這個益尚公司出來負責的嗎\n379008\t397409\t我們已經通知這個藝商公司跟他講說這個所有行為包括他的iPhone要怎麼賣這些我們都提醒他萬一出事我們就追究好 謝謝部長的承諾這件事情非常重要因為直到現在官方網站上面寫的主辦單位都還叫做超級\n398991\t421360\t也就是說他們大剌剌的把這個中國的網站這個澳門的這個家公司當然背後也是中國的一個母公司啦他直接寫說他是主辦單位喔等於是如果我們沒有去跟他確認說在台有一個合法的一個公司的話看起來就是我們讓一個中國的公司在台灣辦一個非法的活動喔\n422200\t447487\t這個必須要釐清所以他沒有在台灣登記子公司沒錯他是違法的他在台灣沒有登記所以這件事情一定要讓更多人知道這個主辦單位他上面這個寫超期是不對的不可以這樣寫這個也要拜託我們文化部跟這個上億公司想清楚說你不能在台灣辦活動結果你直接用一個境外的公司直接大剌剌的寫你是主辦好謝謝那最後最後葉\n451789\t475459\t好最後兩個就是我給部長看的一個示範圖這個是普信會的見面會然後下一個這個是李敏昊的見面會那其實從照片就可以很明確看到他們在演出嘛那所以我在這邊還是再次的呈置最後一次的建議就是我們剛剛也做成了臨時提案的建議就是拜託文化部回去演你\n475839\t479902\t因為實質上粉絲見面會這種簽名握手會雖然是叫這個名稱但它實質上就是一個演藝人員的表演活動然後他們這種販售的售票行為其實往往都是更搶手的因為可能名額很有限因為要可以互動所以這種等於是小型的有點類似小型的演藝活動了\n499913\t515698\t這種因為它名額很少所以那種搶購的樣態更多那很擔心就是會有人從中謀利當然我們要杜絕這樣的黃牛一定是要更積極的查處才行那我也知道文化部非常辛苦因為檢舉量很大\n517859\t535965\t然後跟各地的縣市政府的合作也必須要非常保持密切這非常感謝你們但是最後我還是希望這類型的表演活動它都是一種文化產業的型態那所以希望能夠適用文創法最後建議 謝謝部長謝謝 謝謝好 謝謝黃婕委員好 部長請回\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請部長好 有請部長黃委員你好好 謝謝 大家辛苦了要到下午這個時間那我還是跟部長再次的澄清一下絕對沒有任何年齡歧視的問題這整件事情都跟年齡沒有關係我相信所有的年齡層都非常喜歡追星都有各式各樣的追星的活動\n那所以我今天也是想要藉這個機會再次的跟部長來請教那我這邊是一個已經是一個即將發生的個案因為他們5月10號就要賣票了那其實早上也有委員提到他們是一個泰劇的兩位女性偶像那即將在台灣辦粉絲見面會\n那首先我要請教的是因為我已經跟文化部詢問過那也進行過調查就是這一家這個活動的主辦單位到底是這個澳門的超旗公司還是台灣的藝尚公司那文化部是跟我回覆說是台灣的藝尚公司可是邀請部長看我們這上面的這兩張圖\n一個是官方網站上面的頁面直接寫到主辦單位超奇娛樂那右邊是一位粉絲去私訊這個他們認定的藝尚主辦單位他想要跟他詢問一些售票的一些細節結果呢這個藝尚跟他說你好如果有問題請詢問超奇娛樂說他們不是主辦\n所以現在出現了一個非常大的問題是有這麼多接下來可能會遇到的消費爭議可是連主辦到底是誰都不知道是不是可以請部長在這邊再次的回去請文化 請我們同仁好好的調查因為這攸關接下來粉絲到底會不會遇到任何的消費爭議的問題因為現在的消費爭議就已經很多了幫我下一頁\n那這個是第一個想要請部長幫我們回去調查的一件事情到底有沒有合法因為如果他是澳門的公司必須還要符合一些中港澳在台的一些的商業行為的規範嘛那也要符合兩岸條例跟公司法\n那第二個是這個超級娛樂我們也去調查了他背後的負責人這個澳門人他其實是中國的一個統戰部底下共青團的成員那如果他的身份又這麼複雜的話\n也還有可能會違反兩岸條例裡面跟中國黨務有一些合作的行為也有可能違反兩岸條例所以第二件事情想要請文化部接下來也回去再跟陸委會一起協助的部分就是如果這個超級娛樂背後有一些就是類似統戰他們有一些相關的合作的話是不是有違反兩岸條例這個也要拜託部長好 下一個\n好那再來就進到這個整件事情最大的爭議點這個是直接在網路上的一個看起來是已經是黃牛的一個販售行為在還沒有開賣之前我說5月10號才賣票嘛可是在此之前網路上已經有人在販售囉而且還是加價販售\n然後他們是一個中國的公司那所以台灣很多粉絲就很困惑說那請問我現在像這個已經明確的黃牛我到底要怎麼處理如果你說在台灣的主辦單位叫做藝尚公司的話那像這種東西到底該怎麼處理呢再看下一頁\n這個是這兩張圖都是目前已經出現在這個中國網站上面的黃牛的售票資訊那像這部分到底該怎麼辦是不是先請我們文化部部長或同仁可不可以跟我們說明一下像這種情形到底該怎麼處理\n好 這個問題其實我覺得蠻嚴重因為如果這件事情如果不面對未來會這種灰色地帶會一直生存所以我覺得我們文化部能夠了解就是其實我們已經開始進入跟經濟部什麼已經開始談將來下一步就是要跟陸委會經濟部來一起討論目前我們能做的就希望大家不要買因為它現在已經做成是一個它的操作是在境外\n中國的操作然後剛剛委員有提供我們一個更勁爆就是他的這個負責人是一個有這種背景的有官方背景的那我一直是很贊成文化交流可是文化交流的另外一面就是\n文化滲透我們都了解中國現在對文化滲透是非常積極的像這樣的一個事情其實就已經有點接近了這件事情很嚴重那我想我們積極的去跟陸委會還有經濟部來了解像這樣一個我們現在怎麼制裁他在這麼短時間內我們除了呼籲之外我們就只能追究在台灣的這一家善意這樣\n好 那所以所以我覺得接下來要趕快釐清因為現在其實文化部初步給我的回覆是說在5月10號官方開賣之前的所有的這些網站的票券都不要買嘛呼籲大家不要就等於是很有可能受騙上當\n因為它等於就是類似詐騙的行為了嘛對啊它不只是黃牛它甚至因為它沒有任何保障因為它不是來自官方的訊息所以在此之前也呼籲大家就不要購買了那一切的官方資訊以5月10號官方網站公告的資訊為主對嗎\n這是第一個我覺得委員提出來之後這個馬上就會變成一個話題一個議題應該很多人會注意到這個地方好 這是第一個但是現在的問題是說很明顯現在這個上億公司很有可能它只是一個就是境內的代理\n他是一個空的沒有實質在運作的所以如果接下來如果消費者有跟這個主辦單位有任何的消費爭議就例如說他售票退票換票然後有任何的可能有私下的一些黃牛的行為那我們是可以請這個益尚公司出來負責的嗎\n我們已經通知這個藝商公司跟他講說這個所有行為包括他的iPhone要怎麼賣這些我們都提醒他萬一出事我們就追究好 謝謝部長的承諾這件事情非常重要因為直到現在官方網站上面寫的主辦單位都還叫做超級\n也就是說他們大剌剌的把這個中國的網站這個澳門的這個家公司當然背後也是中國的一個母公司啦他直接寫說他是主辦單位喔等於是如果我們沒有去跟他確認說在台有一個合法的一個公司的話看起來就是我們讓一個中國的公司在台灣辦一個非法的活動喔\n這個必須要釐清所以他沒有在台灣登記子公司沒錯他是違法的他在台灣沒有登記所以這件事情一定要讓更多人知道這個主辦單位他上面這個寫超期是不對的不可以這樣寫這個也要拜託我們文化部跟這個上億公司想清楚說你不能在台灣辦活動結果你直接用一個境外的公司直接大剌剌的寫你是主辦好謝謝那最後最後葉\n好最後兩個就是我給部長看的一個示範圖這個是普信會的見面會然後下一個這個是李敏昊的見面會那其實從照片就可以很明確看到他們在演出嘛那所以我在這邊還是再次的呈置最後一次的建議就是我們剛剛也做成了臨時提案的建議就是拜託文化部回去演你\n因為實質上粉絲見面會這種簽名握手會雖然是叫這個名稱但它實質上就是一個演藝人員的表演活動然後他們這種販售的售票行為其實往往都是更搶手的因為可能名額很有限因為要可以互動所以這種等於是小型的有點類似小型的演藝活動了\n這種因為它名額很少所以那種搶購的樣態更多那很擔心就是會有人從中謀利當然我們要杜絕這樣的黃牛一定是要更積極的查處才行那我也知道文化部非常辛苦因為檢舉量很大\n然後跟各地的縣市政府的合作也必須要非常保持密切這非常感謝你們但是最後我還是希望這類型的表演活動它都是一種文化產業的型態那所以希望能夠適用文創法最後建議 謝謝部長謝謝 謝謝好 謝謝黃婕委員好 部長請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:03.451\n謝謝主席我們請部長好有請部長黃委員你好好謝謝大家辛苦了要到下午這個時間那我還是跟部長再次的澄清一下絕對沒有任何年齡歧視的問題這整件事情都跟年齡沒有關係我相信所有的年齡層都非常喜歡追星都有各式各樣的追星的活動\n\n00:27.842 --> 00:45.963\n那所以我今天也是想要藉這個機會再次的跟部長來請教那我這邊是一個已經是一個即將發生的個案因為他們5月10號就要賣票了那其實早上也有委員提到他們是一個泰劇的兩位女性偶像那即將在台灣辦粉絲見面會\n\n00:47.745 --> 01:07.661\n那首先我要請教的是因為我已經跟文化部詢問過那也進行過調查就是這一家這個活動的主辦單位到底是這個澳門的超旗公司還是台灣的藝尚公司那文化部是跟我回覆說是台灣的藝尚公司可是邀請部長看我們這上面的這兩張圖\n\n01:10.623 --> 01:22.494\n一個是官方網站上面的頁面直接寫到主辦單位超奇娛樂那右邊是一位粉絲去私訊這個他們認定的藝尚主辦單位他想要跟他詢問一些售票的一些細節結果呢這個藝尚跟他說你好如果有問題請詢問超奇娛樂說他們不是主辦\n\n01:34.125 --> 01:54.240\n所以現在出現了一個非常大的問題是有這麼多接下來可能會遇到的消費爭議可是連主辦到底是誰都不知道是不是可以請部長在這邊再次的回去請文化請我們同仁好好的調查因為這攸關接下來粉絲到底會不會遇到任何的消費爭議的問題因為現在的消費爭議就已經很多了幫我下一頁\n\n02:01.209 --> 02:17.729\n那這個是第一個想要請部長幫我們回去調查的一件事情到底有沒有合法因為如果他是澳門的公司必須還要符合一些中港澳在台的一些的商業行為的規範嘛那也要符合兩岸條例跟公司法\n\n02:18.109 --> 02:33.133\n那第二個是這個超級娛樂我們也去調查了他背後的負責人這個澳門人他其實是中國的一個統戰部底下共青團的成員那如果他的身份又這麼複雜的話\n\n02:35.114 --> 03:02.523\n也還有可能會違反兩岸條例裡面跟中國黨務有一些合作的行為也有可能違反兩岸條例所以第二件事情想要請文化部接下來也回去再跟陸委會一起協助的部分就是如果這個超級娛樂背後有一些就是類似統戰他們有一些相關的合作的話是不是有違反兩岸條例這個也要拜託部長好下一個\n\n03:03.988 --> 03:22.242\n好那再來就進到這個整件事情最大的爭議點這個是直接在網路上的一個看起來是已經是黃牛的一個販售行為在還沒有開賣之前我說5月10號才賣票嘛可是在此之前網路上已經有人在販售囉而且還是加價販售\n\n03:23.283 --> 03:40.035\n然後他們是一個中國的公司那所以台灣很多粉絲就很困惑說那請問我現在像這個已經明確的黃牛我到底要怎麼處理如果你說在台灣的主辦單位叫做藝尚公司的話那像這種東西到底該怎麼處理呢再看下一頁\n\n03:41.748 --> 03:57.681\n這個是這兩張圖都是目前已經出現在這個中國網站上面的黃牛的售票資訊那像這部分到底該怎麼辦是不是先請我們文化部部長或同仁可不可以跟我們說明一下像這種情形到底該怎麼處理\n\n03:58.783 --> 04:25.734\n好這個問題其實我覺得蠻嚴重因為如果這件事情如果不面對未來會這種灰色地帶會一直生存所以我覺得我們文化部能夠了解就是其實我們已經開始進入跟經濟部什麼已經開始談將來下一步就是要跟陸委會經濟部來一起討論目前我們能做的就希望大家不要買因為它現在已經做成是一個它的操作是在境外\n\n04:26.474 --> 04:42.045\n中國的操作然後剛剛委員有提供我們一個更勁爆就是他的這個負責人是一個有這種背景的有官方背景的那我一直是很贊成文化交流可是文化交流的另外一面就是\n\n04:42.705 --> 05:06.655\n文化滲透我們都了解中國現在對文化滲透是非常積極的像這樣的一個事情其實就已經有點接近了這件事情很嚴重那我想我們積極的去跟陸委會還有經濟部來了解像這樣一個我們現在怎麼制裁他在這麼短時間內我們除了呼籲之外我們就只能追究在台灣的這一家善意這樣\n\n05:07.495 --> 05:24.298\n好那所以所以我覺得接下來要趕快釐清因為現在其實文化部初步給我的回覆是說在5月10號官方開賣之前的所有的這些網站的票券都不要買嘛呼籲大家不要就等於是很有可能受騙上當\n\n05:25.299 --> 05:40.881\n因為它等於就是類似詐騙的行為了嘛對啊它不只是黃牛它甚至因為它沒有任何保障因為它不是來自官方的訊息所以在此之前也呼籲大家就不要購買了那一切的官方資訊以5月10號官方網站公告的資訊為主對嗎\n\n05:42.763 --> 05:58.682\n這是第一個我覺得委員提出來之後這個馬上就會變成一個話題一個議題應該很多人會注意到這個地方好這是第一個但是現在的問題是說很明顯現在這個上億公司很有可能它只是一個就是境內的代理\n\n05:59.403 --> 06:17.168\n他是一個空的沒有實質在運作的所以如果接下來如果消費者有跟這個主辦單位有任何的消費爭議就例如說他售票退票換票然後有任何的可能有私下的一些黃牛的行為那我們是可以請這個益尚公司出來負責的嗎\n\n06:19.008 --> 06:37.409\n我們已經通知這個藝商公司跟他講說這個所有行為包括他的iPhone要怎麼賣這些我們都提醒他萬一出事我們就追究好謝謝部長的承諾這件事情非常重要因為直到現在官方網站上面寫的主辦單位都還叫做超級\n\n06:38.991 --> 07:01.360\n也就是說他們大剌剌的把這個中國的網站這個澳門的這個家公司當然背後也是中國的一個母公司啦他直接寫說他是主辦單位喔等於是如果我們沒有去跟他確認說在台有一個合法的一個公司的話看起來就是我們讓一個中國的公司在台灣辦一個非法的活動喔\n\n07:02.200 --> 07:27.487\n這個必須要釐清所以他沒有在台灣登記子公司沒錯他是違法的他在台灣沒有登記所以這件事情一定要讓更多人知道這個主辦單位他上面這個寫超期是不對的不可以這樣寫這個也要拜託我們文化部跟這個上億公司想清楚說你不能在台灣辦活動結果你直接用一個境外的公司直接大剌剌的寫你是主辦好謝謝那最後最後葉\n\n07:31.789 --> 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