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00:01:18,955\n打破現有整個貿易秩序後續會以匯率為戰略來建立新的秩序那總裁對於外界認為川普以關稅匯率的手段試圖來重建美國主導整個世界的秩序請問總裁你認為有這種可能性嗎\n\n4\n00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:37,414\n我跟文報告齁剛剛你就說是黃志芳輸出就是那個董事長這是他個人的看法啦那你認為呢\n\n5\n00:01:39,755 --> 00:01:46,338\n我想關稅,關稅現在就是在談嘛只有關稅而已,沒有匯率就對了但是我們在5月1號、5月2號、5月5號我們都澄清了\n\n6\n00:01:54,793 --> 00:02:12,387\n我們沒有受到美國的施壓說新台幣要升值所以針對這個主題呢我想委員是不是讓我來有一個澄清再還有一個聲明可以嗎\n\n7\n00:02:14,745 --> 00:02:35,903\n好第一個我要澄清的就是說我在5月5號的時候啊因為我要承認我的口才不好所以有些時候呢在答詢的時候啊我會結結巴巴的但是這個結結巴巴不代表說我有藍顏之隱那也不就是說我\n\n8\n00:02:40,472 --> 00:02:56,066\n好像是不善於說謊所以呢這個結結巴巴是因為苦才不好而這個跟我說謊或說是藍蓮之影一點關係都沒有所以說你認為那個沒有絕對沒有所以我就說\n\n9\n00:02:56,807 --> 00:03:12,578\n我要再澄清我要澄清然後呢我要另外一個聲明我們5月1號到5月2號到5月5號我們的新聞稿所敘述的都是真實的好那個總裁因為你已經敘述過了\n\n10\n00:03:13,959 --> 00:03:38,664\n那我請教為了建立新的秩序總裁你認為美國又會有哪些我們會面臨有哪些的挑戰我想現在據我了解美國最主要的他現在的重點還是在關稅關稅所以說你認為匯率並不是這個就是美國有對我們沒有絕對沒有所以我就說一直在澄清嘛\n\n11\n00:03:39,184 --> 00:04:05,173\n好那我再請教因為那個黃志荒董事長表示台灣啊那是他的觀點啊對啦需要轉型啦那對外佈局不因此有製造啦製造業啦還要參與新金融科技產業操作最重要要盡快成立主權基金啦來掌握強而有力的武器以協助這些業者來海外佈局那我請問總裁\n\n12\n00:04:07,114 --> 00:04:24,311\n主權基金扮演的角色或功能啊是不是如同黃董事長黃志芳所說的那麼多元透過主權基金來因應關稅戰匯率戰是不是就是萬無一失你的看法呢我個人也是覺得那是他的觀點他的觀點那我請教\n\n13\n00:04:26,693 --> 00:04:41,729\n總裁事實上新台幣暴利升值已經引起民眾的恐慌和疑慮甚至於賴總統星期一也親自對外來說明整個匯率飆升的原因強調台灣經濟基本良好並否認\n\n14\n00:04:43,391 --> 00:04:59,501\n台美談判有觸及匯率的議題那呼籲社會理性團結別散播謠言那我請問總裁為什麼匯率飆升政府就要強調經濟的基本面良好為什麼我想就是說\n\n15\n00:05:01,342 --> 00:05:23,268\n我想包括我個人我們的新聞稿也都是有在強調說我們的基本面都還算還不錯你看看就是說主計總數第一4月30號它所發布的我們第一季的經濟成長率是調升了一點多現在它是多少呢是5.37%\n\n16\n00:05:25,359 --> 00:05:30,104\n5.37%我覺得就是說以5.37%都比鄰近的國家都好所以講這個就是說是這個基本面良好我覺得這個是我也算是信心喊話的一種啊我請教總裁對面對匯率飆升多數民眾擔心的是就算現在基本面良好\n\n17\n00:05:47,683 --> 00:06:03,741\n短期內的未來經濟是否有可能好轉壞的可能那新台幣匯率飆升到底是警訊或者是根本轉壞的催化劑所以說才希望政府提出有效的解決方法以及對策\n\n18\n00:06:04,121 --> 00:06:08,806\n我覺得新台幣升到30塊左右的話我們如果說來看看歷史因為那麼短那麼短的時間看看我們就是說在以前的時間事實上我們新台幣Touch到30塊的\n\n19\n00:06:25,546 --> 00:06:26,746\n所以我還是要跟委員報告\n\n20\n00:06:49,895 --> 00:06:51,896\n那個匯率有升有貶那有升有貶他真的是還是很難去預測他說不定有一天他會貶都有可能啊\n\n21\n00:07:06,686 --> 00:07:34,945\n所以你又就說問我說會怎麼樣事實上匯率就是難以琢磨他有聲有扁那個我請問總裁你認為光是喊話呼籲社會理性團結別散播謠言就能夠平息民眾對匯率飆升所造成未來不確定性的餘力嗎會不會我想喔譬如說以我們中央銀行的一個角色我們除了就是說\n\n22\n00:07:36,546 --> 00:07:54,811\n因為因為我們在這個新聞稿也講得很清楚啊就是說因為他的預期的心理非常強那預期非常強的時候呢好那時候所以市場會有一個shock但是之後你看看他這個就是說這個那個那個那個市場的一個\n\n23\n00:07:57,211 --> 00:08:19,417\n他的那個什麼那個非理性的這個負能量呢他就釋放了所以短短兩天你看看他後來這兩天三天他的那個什麼外市場的供需就去平衡了那央行有沒有更明確的對策能夠指點國人來穩定民心有沒有辦法我想我們還是在呼籲就是說第一個不要就是說就沒有基本\n\n24\n00:08:19,777 --> 00:08:37,724\n沒有根據的然後這個就是說我們在第六點我們在5月5號的新聞稿裡面我們的第六點跟第七點都講得很清楚就是說評論市場的評論人員他要節制因為他很容易會導致非理性市場的非理性那我請問總裁\n\n25\n00:08:40,505 --> 00:08:59,060\n對於南韓央行的行長表示近期包括韓元在內的亞洲貨幣普遍走強背後原因之一正是美方對各國匯率政策的干預壓力對於這個說法外交部引用韓國媒體的報導來表示國內報導過度的詮釋\n\n26\n00:09:05,324 --> 00:09:11,830\n總裁美國對亞洲國家匯率政策的甘於利道外交部為什麼會拿韓國媒體的報導內容來指責我們國內報導過度詮釋這個我不曉得\n\n27\n00:09:20,297 --> 00:09:30,883\n我不曉得但是據我了解好像我不曉得外交部的這件事但是好像我們的中經院還有韓國的半島電視台都認為這個翻譯好像有一點出入\n\n28\n00:09:40,288 --> 00:09:52,725\n有點出入那基本上呢那個BankofKorea的那個Governor他怎麼來說這個呢我也不太清楚但是我還是要強調的\n\n29\n00:09:55,788 --> 00:10:01,872\n就我們來講的話沒有就你的看法到底國內報導有沒有過度詮釋美國甘雨匯率的政策依您的看法有沒有\n\n30\n00:10:15,582 --> 00:10:40,454\n這個就是說我們有沒有我們從那個市場的一個預期心理我們可以看得到就是說這個疫情心理是非常強的那要是說那個總裁如果沒有過度的詮釋外交部為何要替美國施壓整個匯率來護航如果真的要過度詮釋那麼到底造成新台幣匯率短期飆升的元兇到底是誰\n\n31\n00:10:41,794 --> 00:11:06,259\n我想我現在還是在講啊你就說禿鷹啊對不對不是說禿鷹啦我還是說市場的預期心理是很強啦我們還是在認為是這樣子總裁因為本期在質疑說為什麼只有台灣會市有禿鷹難道其他亞洲國家都沒有嗎我跟委員報告啦就是說事實上其他的國家的會市也有升值啦\n\n32\n00:11:09,202 --> 00:11:25,737\n他生殖的幅度雖然是沒有比我們大但是基本上也差沒有多少啦還是那些禿鷹借由美國關稅談判亞洲國家貨幣穩定度不夠那趁機空手套白狼咬到肉就我沒有說就是說一定是禿鷹\n\n33\n00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:51,401\n我有說是草匯的要進來那我們緊盯的差所以呢媒體也就說就是禿鷹啦就是禿鷹事實上我也沒有是這個意思你經常說新台幣匯率由市場來決定如果過度的波動央行會進去調節減緩匯率波動弧度那按照央行禮拜二公布四月底整個匯\n\n34\n00:11:53,323 --> 00:12:21,062\n就是我們外匯的存底啊5228.32億美元啦就是創歷史的新高月增48.1億的美元那總裁近期匯率飆升央行基於穩定匯價一方面要達到政策目的一方面又要顧及央行的損利那請問你認為央行外匯存底到底應該繼續增加創新高還是會考量調降外匯存底的規模\n\n35\n00:12:21,983 --> 00:12:39,181\n那另外央行最近為穩定匯率的標準會不會從匯率操縱國家的觀察名單來升級為匯率操縱國會不會啊不會啦不會齁你也有信心啦齁對對對就不會啦不會啦\n\n36\n00:12:40,502 --> 00:13:04,080\n我是希望說那央行外匯局蔡局長表示外匯存底五千八百多億的美元估算兩天以累計升值兩元來估算外匯外幣兌換損失準備將破兆那雖然央行目前帳面能維持獲利的狀態而且央行持有的外匯部分部位\n\n37\n00:13:05,261 --> 00:13:18,107\n只會用準備項目來列記在資產負債表上不會影響央行每個月或每年的損益那本席想請問總裁央行的資產負債表因為匯率波動然後產生數字上的差異你認為外界會怎麼來解讀央行的財務狀況我跟委員報告\n\n38\n00:13:32,921 --> 00:13:42,310\n中央銀行的資產負債表非常健全就是這樣子非常健全我可以私下來跟你說明\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7206\t18710\t謝謝謝謝主席與會各部會首長還有在座的媒體記者女士先生本院的同仁是不是來請這個楊總裁\n34827\t56320\t林委員早總裁你好總裁我想請教因為上個月底外貿協會董事長黃志荒在中央廣播電台與東吳大學商學院舉辦的論壇演講時就表示川普2.0為了重建整個世界的秩序以關稅為戰術\n59397\t78955\t打破現有整個貿易秩序後續會以匯率為戰略來建立新的秩序那總裁對於外界認為川普以關稅匯率的手段試圖來重建美國主導整個世界的秩序請問總裁你認為有這種可能性嗎\n83439\t97414\t我跟文報告齁剛剛你就說是黃志芳輸出就是那個董事長這是他個人的看法啦那你認為呢\n99755\t106338\t我想關稅,關稅現在就是在談嘛只有關稅而已,沒有匯率就對了但是我們在5月1號、5月2號、5月5號我們都澄清了\n114793\t132387\t我們沒有受到美國的施壓說新台幣要升值所以針對這個主題呢我想委員是不是讓我來有一個澄清再還有一個聲明可以嗎\n134745\t155903\t好第一個我要澄清的就是說我在5月5號的時候啊因為我要承認我的口才不好所以有些時候呢在答詢的時候啊我會結結巴巴的但是這個結結巴巴不代表說我有藍顏之隱那也不就是說我\n160472\t176066\t好像是不善於說謊所以呢這個結結巴巴是因為苦才不好而這個跟我說謊或說是藍蓮之影一點關係都沒有所以說你認為那個沒有 絕對沒有所以我就說\n176807\t192578\t我要再澄清我要澄清然後呢我要另外一個聲明我們5月1號到5月2號到5月5號我們的新聞稿所敘述的都是真實的好 那個總裁因為你已經敘述過了\n193959\t218664\t那我請教為了建立新的秩序總裁你認為美國又會有哪些我們會面臨有哪些的挑戰我想現在據我了解美國最主要的他現在的重點還是在關稅關稅所以說你認為匯率並不是這個就是美國有對我們沒有 絕對沒有所以我就說一直在澄清嘛\n219184\t245173\t好 那我再請教因為那個黃志荒董事長表示台灣啊那是他的觀點啊對啦 需要轉型啦那對外佈局不因此有製造啦製造業啦還要參與新金融科技產業操作最重要要盡快成立主權基金啦來掌握強而有力的武器以協助這些業者來海外佈局那我請問總裁\n247114\t264311\t主權基金扮演的角色或功能啊是不是如同黃董事長 黃志芳所說的那麼多元透過主權基金來因應關稅戰 匯率戰是不是就是萬無一失 你的看法呢我個人也是覺得那是他的觀點他的觀點那我請教\n266693\t281729\t總裁事實上新台幣暴利升值已經引起民眾的恐慌和疑慮甚至於賴總統星期一也親自對外來說明整個匯率飆升的原因強調台灣經濟基本良好並否認\n283391\t299501\t台美談判有觸及匯率的議題那呼籲社會理性團結別散播謠言那我請問總裁為什麼匯率飆升政府就要強調經濟的基本面良好為什麼我想就是說\n301342\t323268\t我想包括我個人 我們的新聞稿也都是有在強調說我們的基本面都還算還不錯你看看就是說主計總數 第一4月30號它所發布的我們第一季的經濟成長率是調升了一點多 現在它是多少呢 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of Korea的那個Governor他怎麼來說這個呢我也不太清楚但是我還是要強調的\n595788\t601872\t就我們來講的話 沒有就你的看法到底國內報導有沒有過度詮釋美國甘雨匯率的政策 依您的看法 有沒有\n615582\t640454\t這個就是說我們有沒有我們從那個市場的一個預期心理我們可以看得到就是說這個疫情心理是非常強的那要是說那個總裁如果沒有過度的詮釋外交部為何要替美國施壓整個匯率來護航如果真的要過度詮釋那麼到底造成新台幣匯率短期飆升的元兇到底是誰\n641794\t666259\t我想我現在還是在講啊你就說禿鷹啊對不對不是說禿鷹啦我還是說市場的預期心理是很強啦我們還是在認為是這樣子總裁因為本期在質疑說為什麼只有台灣會市有禿鷹難道其他亞洲國家都沒有嗎我跟委員報告啦就是說事實上其他的國家的會市也有升值啦\n669202\t685737\t他生殖的幅度雖然是沒有比我們大但是基本上也差沒有多少啦還是那些禿鷹借由美國關稅談判亞洲國家貨幣穩定度不夠那趁機空手套白狼咬到肉就我沒有說就是說一定是禿鷹\n688760\t711401\t我有說是草匯的要進來 那我們緊盯的差所以呢 媒體也就說 就是禿鷹啦 就是禿鷹事實上 我也沒有是這個意思你經常說新台幣匯率由市場來決定如果過度的波動 央行會進去調節減緩匯率波動弧度那按照央行禮拜二公布四月底整個匯\n713323\t741062\t就是我們外匯的存底啊5228.32億美元啦就是創歷史的新高月增48.1億的美元那總裁近期匯率飆升央行基於穩定匯價一方面要達到政策目的一方面又要顧及央行的損利那請問你認為央行外匯存底到底應該繼續增加創新高還是會考量調降外匯存底的規模\n741983\t759181\t那另外央行最近為穩定匯率的標準會不會從匯率操縱國家的觀察名單來升級為匯率操縱國會不會啊不會啦不會齁你也有信心啦齁對對對就不會啦不會啦\n760502\t784080\t我是希望說那央行外匯局蔡局長表示外匯存底五千八百多億的美元估算兩天以累計升值兩元來估算外匯外幣兌換損失準備將破兆那雖然央行目前帳面能維持獲利的狀態而且央行持有的外匯部分部位\n785261\t798107\t只會用準備項目來列記在資產負債表上不會影響央行每個月或每年的損益那本席想請問總裁央行的資產負債表因為匯率波動然後產生數字上的差異你認為外界會怎麼來解讀央行的財務狀況我跟委員報告\n812921\t822310\t中央銀行的資產負債表非常健全就是這樣子非常健全我可以私下來跟你說明\n","txt":"謝謝謝謝主席與會各部會首長還有在座的媒體記者女士先生本院的同仁是不是來請這個楊總裁\n林委員早總裁你好總裁我想請教因為上個月底外貿協會董事長黃志荒在中央廣播電台與東吳大學商學院舉辦的論壇演講時就表示川普2.0為了重建整個世界的秩序以關稅為戰術\n打破現有整個貿易秩序後續會以匯率為戰略來建立新的秩序那總裁對於外界認為川普以關稅匯率的手段試圖來重建美國主導整個世界的秩序請問總裁你認為有這種可能性嗎\n我跟文報告齁剛剛你就說是黃志芳輸出就是那個董事長這是他個人的看法啦那你認為呢\n我想關稅,關稅現在就是在談嘛只有關稅而已,沒有匯率就對了但是我們在5月1號、5月2號、5月5號我們都澄清了\n我們沒有受到美國的施壓說新台幣要升值所以針對這個主題呢我想委員是不是讓我來有一個澄清再還有一個聲明可以嗎\n好第一個我要澄清的就是說我在5月5號的時候啊因為我要承認我的口才不好所以有些時候呢在答詢的時候啊我會結結巴巴的但是這個結結巴巴不代表說我有藍顏之隱那也不就是說我\n好像是不善於說謊所以呢這個結結巴巴是因為苦才不好而這個跟我說謊或說是藍蓮之影一點關係都沒有所以說你認為那個沒有 絕對沒有所以我就說\n我要再澄清我要澄清然後呢我要另外一個聲明我們5月1號到5月2號到5月5號我們的新聞稿所敘述的都是真實的好 那個總裁因為你已經敘述過了\n那我請教為了建立新的秩序總裁你認為美國又會有哪些我們會面臨有哪些的挑戰我想現在據我了解美國最主要的他現在的重點還是在關稅關稅所以說你認為匯率並不是這個就是美國有對我們沒有 絕對沒有所以我就說一直在澄清嘛\n好 那我再請教因為那個黃志荒董事長表示台灣啊那是他的觀點啊對啦 需要轉型啦那對外佈局不因此有製造啦製造業啦還要參與新金融科技產業操作最重要要盡快成立主權基金啦來掌握強而有力的武器以協助這些業者來海外佈局那我請問總裁\n主權基金扮演的角色或功能啊是不是如同黃董事長 黃志芳所說的那麼多元透過主權基金來因應關稅戰 匯率戰是不是就是萬無一失 你的看法呢我個人也是覺得那是他的觀點他的觀點那我請教\n總裁事實上新台幣暴利升值已經引起民眾的恐慌和疑慮甚至於賴總統星期一也親自對外來說明整個匯率飆升的原因強調台灣經濟基本良好並否認\n台美談判有觸及匯率的議題那呼籲社會理性團結別散播謠言那我請問總裁為什麼匯率飆升政府就要強調經濟的基本面良好為什麼我想就是說\n我想包括我個人 我們的新聞稿也都是有在強調說我們的基本面都還算還不錯你看看就是說主計總數 第一4月30號它所發布的我們第一季的經濟成長率是調升了一點多 現在它是多少呢 是5.37%\n5.37%我覺得就是說以5.37%都比鄰近的國家都好所以講這個就是說是這個基本面良好我覺得這個是我也算是信心喊話的一種啊我請教總裁對面對匯率飆升多數民眾擔心的是就算現在基本面良好\n短期內的未來經濟是否有可能好轉壞的可能那新台幣匯率飆升到底是警訊或者是根本轉壞的催化劑所以說才希望政府提出有效的解決方法以及對策\n我覺得新台幣升到30塊左右的話我們如果說來看看歷史因為那麼短那麼短的時間看看我們就是說在以前的時間事實上我們新台幣Touch到30塊的\n所以我還是要跟委員報告\n那個匯率有升有貶那有升有貶他真的是還是很難去預測他說不定有一天他會貶都有可能啊\n所以你又就說問我說會怎麼樣事實上匯率就是難以琢磨他有聲有扁那個我請問總裁你認為光是喊話呼籲社會理性團結別散播謠言就能夠平息民眾對匯率飆升所造成未來不確定性的餘力嗎會不會我想喔譬如說以我們中央銀行的一個角色我們除了就是說\n因為因為我們在這個新聞稿也講得很清楚啊就是說因為他的預期的心理非常強那預期非常強的時候呢好那時候所以市場會有一個shock但是之後你看看他這個就是說這個那個那個那個市場的一個\n他的那個什麼那個非理性的這個負能量呢他就釋放了所以短短兩天你看看他後來這兩天三天他的那個什麼外市場的供需就去平衡了那央行有沒有更明確的對策能夠指點國人來穩定民心有沒有辦法我想我們還是在呼籲就是說第一個不要就是說就沒有基本\n沒有根據的然後這個就是說我們在第六點我們在5月5號的新聞稿裡面我們的第六點跟第七點都講得很清楚就是說評論市場的評論人員他要節制因為他很容易會導致非理性市場的非理性那我請問總裁\n對於南韓央行的行長表示近期包括韓元在內的亞洲貨幣普遍走強背後原因之一正是美方對各國匯率政策的干預壓力對於這個說法外交部引用韓國媒體的報導來表示國內報導過度的詮釋\n總裁美國對亞洲國家匯率政策的甘於利道外交部為什麼會拿韓國媒體的報導內容來指責我們國內報導過度詮釋這個我不曉得\n我不曉得但是據我了解好像我不曉得外交部的這件事但是好像我們的中經院還有韓國的半島電視台都認為這個翻譯好像有一點出入\n有點出入那基本上呢那個Bank of Korea的那個Governor他怎麼來說這個呢我也不太清楚但是我還是要強調的\n就我們來講的話 沒有就你的看法到底國內報導有沒有過度詮釋美國甘雨匯率的政策 依您的看法 有沒有\n這個就是說我們有沒有我們從那個市場的一個預期心理我們可以看得到就是說這個疫情心理是非常強的那要是說那個總裁如果沒有過度的詮釋外交部為何要替美國施壓整個匯率來護航如果真的要過度詮釋那麼到底造成新台幣匯率短期飆升的元兇到底是誰\n我想我現在還是在講啊你就說禿鷹啊對不對不是說禿鷹啦我還是說市場的預期心理是很強啦我們還是在認為是這樣子總裁因為本期在質疑說為什麼只有台灣會市有禿鷹難道其他亞洲國家都沒有嗎我跟委員報告啦就是說事實上其他的國家的會市也有升值啦\n他生殖的幅度雖然是沒有比我們大但是基本上也差沒有多少啦還是那些禿鷹借由美國關稅談判亞洲國家貨幣穩定度不夠那趁機空手套白狼咬到肉就我沒有說就是說一定是禿鷹\n我有說是草匯的要進來 那我們緊盯的差所以呢 媒體也就說 就是禿鷹啦 就是禿鷹事實上 我也沒有是這個意思你經常說新台幣匯率由市場來決定如果過度的波動 央行會進去調節減緩匯率波動弧度那按照央行禮拜二公布四月底整個匯\n就是我們外匯的存底啊5228.32億美元啦就是創歷史的新高月增48.1億的美元那總裁近期匯率飆升央行基於穩定匯價一方面要達到政策目的一方面又要顧及央行的損利那請問你認為央行外匯存底到底應該繼續增加創新高還是會考量調降外匯存底的規模\n那另外央行最近為穩定匯率的標準會不會從匯率操縱國家的觀察名單來升級為匯率操縱國會不會啊不會啦不會齁你也有信心啦齁對對對就不會啦不會啦\n我是希望說那央行外匯局蔡局長表示外匯存底五千八百多億的美元估算兩天以累計升值兩元來估算外匯外幣兌換損失準備將破兆那雖然央行目前帳面能維持獲利的狀態而且央行持有的外匯部分部位\n只會用準備項目來列記在資產負債表上不會影響央行每個月或每年的損益那本席想請問總裁央行的資產負債表因為匯率波動然後產生數字上的差異你認為外界會怎麼來解讀央行的財務狀況我跟委員報告\n中央銀行的資產負債表非常健全就是這樣子非常健全我可以私下來跟你說明\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.206 --> 00:18.710\n謝謝謝謝主席與會各部會首長還有在座的媒體記者女士先生本院的同仁是不是來請這個楊總裁\n\n00:34.827 --> 00:56.320\n林委員早總裁你好總裁我想請教因為上個月底外貿協會董事長黃志荒在中央廣播電台與東吳大學商學院舉辦的論壇演講時就表示川普2.0為了重建整個世界的秩序以關稅為戰術\n\n00:59.397 --> 01:18.955\n打破現有整個貿易秩序後續會以匯率為戰略來建立新的秩序那總裁對於外界認為川普以關稅匯率的手段試圖來重建美國主導整個世界的秩序請問總裁你認為有這種可能性嗎\n\n01:23.439 --> 01:37.414\n我跟文報告齁剛剛你就說是黃志芳輸出就是那個董事長這是他個人的看法啦那你認為呢\n\n01:39.755 --> 01:46.338\n我想關稅,關稅現在就是在談嘛只有關稅而已,沒有匯率就對了但是我們在5月1號、5月2號、5月5號我們都澄清了\n\n01:54.793 --> 02:12.387\n我們沒有受到美國的施壓說新台幣要升值所以針對這個主題呢我想委員是不是讓我來有一個澄清再還有一個聲明可以嗎\n\n02:14.745 --> 02:35.903\n好第一個我要澄清的就是說我在5月5號的時候啊因為我要承認我的口才不好所以有些時候呢在答詢的時候啊我會結結巴巴的但是這個結結巴巴不代表說我有藍顏之隱那也不就是說我\n\n02:40.472 --> 02:56.066\n好像是不善於說謊所以呢這個結結巴巴是因為苦才不好而這個跟我說謊或說是藍蓮之影一點關係都沒有所以說你認為那個沒有絕對沒有所以我就說\n\n02:56.807 --> 03:12.578\n我要再澄清我要澄清然後呢我要另外一個聲明我們5月1號到5月2號到5月5號我們的新聞稿所敘述的都是真實的好那個總裁因為你已經敘述過了\n\n03:13.959 --> 03:38.664\n那我請教為了建立新的秩序總裁你認為美國又會有哪些我們會面臨有哪些的挑戰我想現在據我了解美國最主要的他現在的重點還是在關稅關稅所以說你認為匯率並不是這個就是美國有對我們沒有絕對沒有所以我就說一直在澄清嘛\n\n03:39.184 --> 04:05.173\n好那我再請教因為那個黃志荒董事長表示台灣啊那是他的觀點啊對啦需要轉型啦那對外佈局不因此有製造啦製造業啦還要參與新金融科技產業操作最重要要盡快成立主權基金啦來掌握強而有力的武器以協助這些業者來海外佈局那我請問總裁\n\n04:07.114 --> 04:24.311\n主權基金扮演的角色或功能啊是不是如同黃董事長黃志芳所說的那麼多元透過主權基金來因應關稅戰匯率戰是不是就是萬無一失你的看法呢我個人也是覺得那是他的觀點他的觀點那我請教\n\n04:26.693 --> 04:41.729\n總裁事實上新台幣暴利升值已經引起民眾的恐慌和疑慮甚至於賴總統星期一也親自對外來說明整個匯率飆升的原因強調台灣經濟基本良好並否認\n\n04:43.391 --> 04:59.501\n台美談判有觸及匯率的議題那呼籲社會理性團結別散播謠言那我請問總裁為什麼匯率飆升政府就要強調經濟的基本面良好為什麼我想就是說\n\n05:01.342 --> 05:23.268\n我想包括我個人我們的新聞稿也都是有在強調說我們的基本面都還算還不錯你看看就是說主計總數第一4月30號它所發布的我們第一季的經濟成長率是調升了一點多現在它是多少呢是5.37%\n\n05:25.359 --> 05:30.104\n5.37%我覺得就是說以5.37%都比鄰近的國家都好所以講這個就是說是這個基本面良好我覺得這個是我也算是信心喊話的一種啊我請教總裁對面對匯率飆升多數民眾擔心的是就算現在基本面良好\n\n05:47.683 --> 06:03.741\n短期內的未來經濟是否有可能好轉壞的可能那新台幣匯率飆升到底是警訊或者是根本轉壞的催化劑所以說才希望政府提出有效的解決方法以及對策\n\n06:04.121 --> 06:08.806\n我覺得新台幣升到30塊左右的話我們如果說來看看歷史因為那麼短那麼短的時間看看我們就是說在以前的時間事實上我們新台幣Touch到30塊的\n\n06:25.546 --> 06:26.746\n所以我還是要跟委員報告\n\n06:49.895 --> 06:51.896\n那個匯率有升有貶那有升有貶他真的是還是很難去預測他說不定有一天他會貶都有可能啊\n\n07:06.686 --> 07:34.945\n所以你又就說問我說會怎麼樣事實上匯率就是難以琢磨他有聲有扁那個我請問總裁你認為光是喊話呼籲社會理性團結別散播謠言就能夠平息民眾對匯率飆升所造成未來不確定性的餘力嗎會不會我想喔譬如說以我們中央銀行的一個角色我們除了就是說\n\n07:36.546 --> 07:54.811\n因為因為我們在這個新聞稿也講得很清楚啊就是說因為他的預期的心理非常強那預期非常強的時候呢好那時候所以市場會有一個shock但是之後你看看他這個就是說這個那個那個那個市場的一個\n\n07:57.211 --> 08:19.417\n他的那個什麼那個非理性的這個負能量呢他就釋放了所以短短兩天你看看他後來這兩天三天他的那個什麼外市場的供需就去平衡了那央行有沒有更明確的對策能夠指點國人來穩定民心有沒有辦法我想我們還是在呼籲就是說第一個不要就是說就沒有基本\n\n08:19.777 --> 08:37.724\n沒有根據的然後這個就是說我們在第六點我們在5月5號的新聞稿裡面我們的第六點跟第七點都講得很清楚就是說評論市場的評論人員他要節制因為他很容易會導致非理性市場的非理性那我請問總裁\n\n08:40.505 --> 08:59.060\n對於南韓央行的行長表示近期包括韓元在內的亞洲貨幣普遍走強背後原因之一正是美方對各國匯率政策的干預壓力對於這個說法外交部引用韓國媒體的報導來表示國內報導過度的詮釋\n\n09:05.324 --> 09:11.830\n總裁美國對亞洲國家匯率政策的甘於利道外交部為什麼會拿韓國媒體的報導內容來指責我們國內報導過度詮釋這個我不曉得\n\n09:20.297 --> 09:30.883\n我不曉得但是據我了解好像我不曉得外交部的這件事但是好像我們的中經院還有韓國的半島電視台都認為這個翻譯好像有一點出入\n\n09:40.288 --> 09:52.725\n有點出入那基本上呢那個BankofKorea的那個Governor他怎麼來說這個呢我也不太清楚但是我還是要強調的\n\n09:55.788 --> 10:01.872\n就我們來講的話沒有就你的看法到底國內報導有沒有過度詮釋美國甘雨匯率的政策依您的看法有沒有\n\n10:15.582 --> 10:40.454\n這個就是說我們有沒有我們從那個市場的一個預期心理我們可以看得到就是說這個疫情心理是非常強的那要是說那個總裁如果沒有過度的詮釋外交部為何要替美國施壓整個匯率來護航如果真的要過度詮釋那麼到底造成新台幣匯率短期飆升的元兇到底是誰\n\n10:41.794 --> 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