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00:01:12,007\n既然是以國際交流的項目經費只不過是1976萬這哪像是一個國際外交的經費這個是我要跟你提醒的今天不是因為加減的問題是因為你們沒有前瞻性而且是只是做格式化\n\n5\n00:01:12,768 --> 00:01:21,862\n沒有突破性沒有前瞻性當然經費就會有縮減所以這個是要提醒你們的等一下我要講的是我們\n\n6\n00:01:23,496 --> 00:01:43,654\n依照嚴明會目前的組織編列,編制負責嚴明外交或者是國際事務的組織單位是哪一個?每年用以嚴明外交的預算有多少?剛剛我提的,對不對?好,那嚴明會的業務單位包含圖管處、工建處、經發處、社福處\n\n7\n00:01:47,659 --> 00:02:02,558\n教文處、中規處、所有圖館處及工建處其他業務單位都有可能接觸到原民外交的事務是原住民外交是一個原住民事務在\n\n8\n00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:27,222\n再提的外交議題然後最主要的價值是在以利益為主軸的外交戰場上以原住民的情感連結化解各自國家利益間的衝突所以本席特別強調的我們應該以原民外交為外交困境的突破口\n\n9\n00:02:28,883 --> 00:02:47,118\n不只是因為本席具有原住民的身份那主要的原民外交是以人而非以國家為交往的主體這也是顯示原民外交有非常多內涵可以跨口\n\n10\n00:02:49,600 --> 00:03:11,398\n找出一个共通性因此本席再请教言明会副主委如果言明外交可以涉及到语言情感文化经济等内涵言明会是不是需要一个专者的业务单位以统合这些可以外交上发挥的内涵本席建议言明会思考成立国际处\n\n11\n00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:34,028\n的可能性這樣才能發揮到力量請問剛剛我們邦交有八個邦交可是我們屬於太平洋南太平洋的民主的一個南歐以西的民主你們只有在這八個裡面的範圍內而沒有突破性到其他的\n\n12\n00:03:35,729 --> 00:03:50,857\n這個屬於這個南島語系的民主嗎所以這個就是你們現在要有突破性要有前三性你只有一個一年的預算一千九百多萬而已這什麼叫國際外交你如何突破\n\n13\n00:03:52,093 --> 00:04:04,340\n傅志偉你來說明一下是跟委員報告陳副委員所提到的台灣的原住民族是屬於南島語族的地區的發源地我想大家都有這樣的一個認知所以我們在107年就重啟了南島論壇這樣的一個NGO組織那這個部分\n\n14\n00:04:10,223 --> 00:04:32,130\n已經有15個會員然後一個觀察員那除了這16個之外還有包括澳洲美國加拿大也都會參與我們的一些交流所以我們也在語言文化產業跟學術政策的研究都有每年這樣的一個工作在推動那我們現在已經很早就成立一個綜合規劃處裡面的一個國際事務科\n\n15\n00:04:35,091 --> 00:05:00,994\n我想我們事務科的工作人力以目前這樣的一個狀況來推動現在還算是很順利而且也推動了不少在南島以西國家的這樣的一個交流的工作我跟你講剛剛我已經說明嘛你們都是一個格式化嘛對不對格式化沒有突破性嘛現在原民外交是最重要的一環因為它不是以國家的利益以原住民的利益\n\n16\n00:05:02,276 --> 00:05:15,835\n跟我們整個南島語系的民主做一個連結性、語言性跟共通性的結合這也是在外交以外的能夠讓我們外交突破的一個重點\n\n17\n00:05:17,998 --> 00:05:41,680\n所以這個就是我要建議的是不是要建立一個成立一個國際處而讓它的編制讓它的藝創會有更多的然後推動我們這些原民外交這才是真正要推展的因為現在我們的外交在美當中是一個困境搞不好還要斷了一個外交\n\n18\n00:05:43,619 --> 00:05:58,014\n那我們原名外交非常重要的一環啊所以我建議是不是你們則省跟各部會跟外交部跟其他的部會裡面做一個聯繫是不是成立一個國際處的\n\n19\n00:06:01,077 --> 00:06:11,445\n可能性,這是我特別提出來的那另外就是,聯合國在經濟社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土問題常設論壇功能是專門為聯合國機構提供原住民問題的專業意見\n\n20\n00:06:26,401 --> 00:06:44,297\n請問外交部次長和嚴明會副主委我國在這個論壇參與程度為何出席演講發言還是參與討論而已外交部要如何強化我國在此論壇的參與那外交部你先回答一下\n\n21\n00:06:52,765 --> 00:07:17,204\n聯合國經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土著問題常識論壇這已經是一個專責的一個機構了專責的一個機構了所以功能是專門在聯合國機構提供嚴重的問題的專業意見請問外交部你來問一下我想外交部是最外行提到這個問題的來問一下是\n\n22\n00:07:21,543 --> 00:07:44,334\n是那麼因為是聯合國的這個組織那當然我們這個在中共的阻撓之下那麼不好直接參加但是我們包括我們這個我現在先馬上糾正你的這些什麼中共第一個我們在聯合國裡面就是一個少數民族的一個\n\n23\n00:07:47,897 --> 00:08:00,431\n這個少數民主的一些關係的一個夥伴關係怎麼會是跟中共有關係呢聯合國已經設定我們在台灣的少數民主是一個夥伴關係的一個角色\n\n24\n00:08:01,052 --> 00:08:20,271\n那既然今天他已經設出了一個經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土住問題常識的論壇他就是一個專制機構門給你打開了但問題是我們嚴明會我們嚴明外銷根本沒有涉入這樣的一個重點第二個\n\n25\n00:08:21,332 --> 00:08:40,892\n為什麼要讓你成立一個國際處就是要把預算增加然後編制增加讓他們真正的對於外交以外原民原民這個跟聯合國南海平壤這樣的一個一個國家裡面做一個連結做一個聯通這才是真正可以發揮\n\n26\n00:08:42,934 --> 00:09:03,524\n也謝謝委員對原民在國際事務上的推動的關心那有關聯合國的長壽議題論壇其實我們每年都會有原住民租人參加像今年的部分四月份舉辦我們有三個團體我們都補助他們來參與這樣一個活動剛剛我就講了嘛你們都是格式化嘛現在你有沒有突破性的一個方法你現在回答我\n\n27\n00:09:04,907 --> 00:09:18,125\n還是你現在下次麻煩你用書面詳細詳查的未來你們要推動的原民外銷現在我們已經有無認所的大使\n\n28\n00:09:19,265 --> 00:09:37,044\n現在我剛剛我在兩屆的上一屆的外交部長包含這一屆的林佳龍部長我都會提希望還有一個有認手的大使希望你提出一個原住民的有認手的大使真正能夠拓展到我說\n\n29\n00:09:38,496 --> 00:09:55,336\n我們外交部麻煩你們重視我們原民外交因為我常提的原民外交現在你們外交部現在也沒有辦法再突破能夠跟建立跟其他國家裡面再做一個邦交而且甚至可能會有斷交的可能\n\n30\n00:09:57,899 --> 00:10:21,945\n所以要借用原住民的原民外銷跟南太平洋的立場拓展這樣的一個業務這才是真正你們要重視的好不好是一定副主委是麻煩你書面的詳查詳密給我有沒有可能成立一個國際處好不好好我們會書面報告送給委員讓委員了解因為你們這些報告裡面就已經提出來了嘛\n\n31\n00:10:23,988 --> 00:10:42,427\n台灣原住民以太平洋區域多數島國地區的人民同屬南島語系的民族不是只有八個邦交你們應該這一句話就是要拓展更多的邦交的以外的南島語系的民族好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t7606\t我們請顏明慧副主任委員委員好\n9484\t32997\t剛剛我聽到這個外交部次長所提到的就是我國的我國總共有個八個邦交那後來你再也有報告之後你也報告說台灣原住民族與太平洋區域多數島國地區的人民同屬南島以西的民族OK好待會我來問\n34704\t43697\t我們屬於南太平洋這個太平洋以多數的島國的地區那既然\n45464\t72007\t既然是以國際交流的項目經費只不過是1976萬這哪像是一個國際外交的經費這個是我要跟你提醒的今天不是因為加減的問題是因為你們沒有前瞻性而且是只是做格式化\n72768\t81862\t沒有突破性沒有前瞻性當然經費就會有縮減所以這個是要提醒你們的等一下我要講的是我們\n83496\t103654\t依照嚴明會目前的組織編列,編制負責嚴明外交或者是國際事務的組織單位是哪一個?每年用以嚴明外交的預算有多少?剛剛我提的,對不對?好,那嚴明會的業務單位包含圖管處、工建處、經發處、社福處\n107659\t122558\t教文處、中規處、所有圖館處及工建處其他業務單位都有可能接觸到原民外交的事務是原住民外交是一個原住民事務在\n123920\t147222\t再提的外交議題然後最主要的價值是在以利益為主軸的外交戰場上以原住民的情感連結化解各自國家利益間的衝突所以本席特別強調的我們應該以原民外交為外交困境的突破口\n148883\t167118\t不只是因為本席具有原住民的身份那主要的原民外交是以人而非以國家為交往的主體這也是顯示原民外交有非常多內涵可以跨口\n169600\t191398\t找出一个共通性因此本席再请教言明会副主委如果言明外交可以涉及到语言情感文化经济等内涵言明会是不是需要一个专者的业务单位以统合这些可以外交上发挥的内涵本席建议言明会思考成立国际处\n192692\t214028\t的可能性這樣才能發揮到力量請問剛剛我們邦交有八個邦交可是我們屬於太平洋南太平洋的民主的一個南歐以西的民主你們只有在這八個裡面的範圍內而沒有突破性到其他的\n215729\t230857\t這個屬於這個南島語系的民主嗎所以這個就是你們現在要有突破性要有前三性你只有一個一年的預算一千九百多萬而已這什麼叫國際外交你如何突破\n232093\t244340\t傅志偉你來說明一下是跟委員報告陳副委員所提到的台灣的原住民族是屬於南島語族的地區的發源地我想大家都有這樣的一個認知所以我們在107年就重啟了南島論壇這樣的一個NGO組織那這個部分\n250223\t272130\t已經有15個會員然後一個觀察員那除了這16個之外還有包括澳洲美國加拿大也都會參與我們的一些交流所以我們也在語言文化產業跟學術政策的研究都有每年這樣的一個工作在推動那我們現在已經很早就成立一個綜合規劃處裡面的一個國際事務科\n275091\t300994\t我想我們事務科的工作人力以目前這樣的一個狀況來推動現在還算是很順利而且也推動了不少在南島以西國家的這樣的一個交流的工作我跟你講剛剛我已經說明嘛你們都是一個格式化嘛對不對格式化沒有突破性嘛現在原民外交是最重要的一環因為它不是以國家的利益以原住民的利益\n302276\t315835\t跟我們整個南島語系的民主做一個連結性、語言性跟共通性的結合這也是在外交以外的能夠讓我們外交突破的一個重點\n317998\t341680\t所以這個就是我要建議的是不是要建立一個成立一個國際處而讓它的編制讓它的藝創會有更多的然後推動我們這些原民外交這才是真正要推展的因為現在我們的外交在美當中是一個困境搞不好還要斷了一個外交\n343619\t358014\t那我們原名外交非常重要的一環啊所以我建議是不是你們則省跟各部會跟外交部跟其他的部會裡面做一個聯繫是不是成立一個國際處的\n361077\t371445\t可能性,這是我特別提出來的那另外就是,聯合國在經濟社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土問題常設論壇功能是專門為聯合國機構提供原住民問題的專業意見\n386401\t404297\t請問外交部次長和嚴明會副主委我國在這個論壇參與程度為何出席演講發言還是參與討論而已外交部要如何強化我國在此論壇的參與那外交部你先回答一下\n412765\t437204\t聯合國經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土著問題常識論壇這已經是一個專責的一個機構了專責的一個機構了所以功能是專門在聯合國機構提供嚴重的問題的專業意見請問外交部你來問一下我想外交部是最外行提到這個問題的來問一下是\n441543\t464334\t是 那麼因為是聯合國的這個組織那當然我們這個在中共的阻撓之下那麼不好直接參加但是我們包括我們這個我現在先馬上糾正你的這些什麼中共第一個我們在聯合國裡面就是一個少數民族的一個\n467897\t480431\t這個少數民主的一些關係的一個夥伴關係怎麼會是跟中共有關係呢聯合國已經設定我們在台灣的少數民主是一個夥伴關係的一個角色\n481052\t500271\t那既然今天他已經設出了一個經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土住問題常識的論壇他就是一個專制機構門給你打開了但問題是我們嚴明會我們嚴明外銷根本沒有涉入這樣的一個重點第二個\n501332\t520892\t為什麼要讓你成立一個國際處就是要把預算增加然後編制增加讓他們真正的對於外交以外原民原民這個跟聯合國南海平壤這樣的一個一個國家裡面做一個連結做一個聯通這才是真正可以發揮\n522934\t543524\t也謝謝委員對原民在國際事務上的推動的關心那有關聯合國的長壽議題論壇其實我們每年都會有原住民租人參加像今年的部分四月份舉辦我們有三個團體我們都補助他們來參與這樣一個活動剛剛我就講了嘛你們都是格式化嘛現在你有沒有突破性的一個方法你現在回答我\n544907\t558125\t還是你現在下次麻煩你用書面詳細詳查的未來你們要推動的原民外銷現在我們已經有無認所的大使\n559265\t577044\t現在我剛剛我在兩屆的上一屆的外交部長包含這一屆的林佳龍部長我都會提希望還有一個有認手的大使希望你提出一個原住民的有認手的大使真正能夠拓展到我說\n578496\t595336\t我們外交部麻煩你們重視我們原民外交因為我常提的原民外交現在你們外交部現在也沒有辦法再突破能夠跟建立跟其他國家裡面再做一個邦交而且甚至可能會有斷交的可能\n597899\t621945\t所以要借用原住民的原民外銷跟南太平洋的立場拓展這樣的一個業務這才是真正你們要重視的好不好是 一定副主委 是麻煩你書面的詳查詳密給我有沒有可能成立一個國際處好不好好 我們會書面報告送給委員讓委員了解因為你們這些報告裡面就已經提出來了嘛\n623988\t642427\t台灣原住民以太平洋區域多數島國地區的人民同屬南島語系的民族不是只有八個邦交你們應該這一句話就是要拓展更多的邦交的以外的南島語系的民族好不好好 謝謝\n","txt":"我們請顏明慧副主任委員委員好\n剛剛我聽到這個外交部次長所提到的就是我國的我國總共有個八個邦交那後來你再也有報告之後你也報告說台灣原住民族與太平洋區域多數島國地區的人民同屬南島以西的民族OK好待會我來問\n我們屬於南太平洋這個太平洋以多數的島國的地區那既然\n既然是以國際交流的項目經費只不過是1976萬這哪像是一個國際外交的經費這個是我要跟你提醒的今天不是因為加減的問題是因為你們沒有前瞻性而且是只是做格式化\n沒有突破性沒有前瞻性當然經費就會有縮減所以這個是要提醒你們的等一下我要講的是我們\n依照嚴明會目前的組織編列,編制負責嚴明外交或者是國際事務的組織單位是哪一個?每年用以嚴明外交的預算有多少?剛剛我提的,對不對?好,那嚴明會的業務單位包含圖管處、工建處、經發處、社福處\n教文處、中規處、所有圖館處及工建處其他業務單位都有可能接觸到原民外交的事務是原住民外交是一個原住民事務在\n再提的外交議題然後最主要的價值是在以利益為主軸的外交戰場上以原住民的情感連結化解各自國家利益間的衝突所以本席特別強調的我們應該以原民外交為外交困境的突破口\n不只是因為本席具有原住民的身份那主要的原民外交是以人而非以國家為交往的主體這也是顯示原民外交有非常多內涵可以跨口\n找出一个共通性因此本席再请教言明会副主委如果言明外交可以涉及到语言情感文化经济等内涵言明会是不是需要一个专者的业务单位以统合这些可以外交上发挥的内涵本席建议言明会思考成立国际处\n的可能性這樣才能發揮到力量請問剛剛我們邦交有八個邦交可是我們屬於太平洋南太平洋的民主的一個南歐以西的民主你們只有在這八個裡面的範圍內而沒有突破性到其他的\n這個屬於這個南島語系的民主嗎所以這個就是你們現在要有突破性要有前三性你只有一個一年的預算一千九百多萬而已這什麼叫國際外交你如何突破\n傅志偉你來說明一下是跟委員報告陳副委員所提到的台灣的原住民族是屬於南島語族的地區的發源地我想大家都有這樣的一個認知所以我們在107年就重啟了南島論壇這樣的一個NGO組織那這個部分\n已經有15個會員然後一個觀察員那除了這16個之外還有包括澳洲美國加拿大也都會參與我們的一些交流所以我們也在語言文化產業跟學術政策的研究都有每年這樣的一個工作在推動那我們現在已經很早就成立一個綜合規劃處裡面的一個國際事務科\n我想我們事務科的工作人力以目前這樣的一個狀況來推動現在還算是很順利而且也推動了不少在南島以西國家的這樣的一個交流的工作我跟你講剛剛我已經說明嘛你們都是一個格式化嘛對不對格式化沒有突破性嘛現在原民外交是最重要的一環因為它不是以國家的利益以原住民的利益\n跟我們整個南島語系的民主做一個連結性、語言性跟共通性的結合這也是在外交以外的能夠讓我們外交突破的一個重點\n所以這個就是我要建議的是不是要建立一個成立一個國際處而讓它的編制讓它的藝創會有更多的然後推動我們這些原民外交這才是真正要推展的因為現在我們的外交在美當中是一個困境搞不好還要斷了一個外交\n那我們原名外交非常重要的一環啊所以我建議是不是你們則省跟各部會跟外交部跟其他的部會裡面做一個聯繫是不是成立一個國際處的\n可能性,這是我特別提出來的那另外就是,聯合國在經濟社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土問題常設論壇功能是專門為聯合國機構提供原住民問題的專業意見\n請問外交部次長和嚴明會副主委我國在這個論壇參與程度為何出席演講發言還是參與討論而已外交部要如何強化我國在此論壇的參與那外交部你先回答一下\n聯合國經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土著問題常識論壇這已經是一個專責的一個機構了專責的一個機構了所以功能是專門在聯合國機構提供嚴重的問題的專業意見請問外交部你來問一下我想外交部是最外行提到這個問題的來問一下是\n是 那麼因為是聯合國的這個組織那當然我們這個在中共的阻撓之下那麼不好直接參加但是我們包括我們這個我現在先馬上糾正你的這些什麼中共第一個我們在聯合國裡面就是一個少數民族的一個\n這個少數民主的一些關係的一個夥伴關係怎麼會是跟中共有關係呢聯合國已經設定我們在台灣的少數民主是一個夥伴關係的一個角色\n那既然今天他已經設出了一個經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土住問題常識的論壇他就是一個專制機構門給你打開了但問題是我們嚴明會我們嚴明外銷根本沒有涉入這樣的一個重點第二個\n為什麼要讓你成立一個國際處就是要把預算增加然後編制增加讓他們真正的對於外交以外原民原民這個跟聯合國南海平壤這樣的一個一個國家裡面做一個連結做一個聯通這才是真正可以發揮\n也謝謝委員對原民在國際事務上的推動的關心那有關聯合國的長壽議題論壇其實我們每年都會有原住民租人參加像今年的部分四月份舉辦我們有三個團體我們都補助他們來參與這樣一個活動剛剛我就講了嘛你們都是格式化嘛現在你有沒有突破性的一個方法你現在回答我\n還是你現在下次麻煩你用書面詳細詳查的未來你們要推動的原民外銷現在我們已經有無認所的大使\n現在我剛剛我在兩屆的上一屆的外交部長包含這一屆的林佳龍部長我都會提希望還有一個有認手的大使希望你提出一個原住民的有認手的大使真正能夠拓展到我說\n我們外交部麻煩你們重視我們原民外交因為我常提的原民外交現在你們外交部現在也沒有辦法再突破能夠跟建立跟其他國家裡面再做一個邦交而且甚至可能會有斷交的可能\n所以要借用原住民的原民外銷跟南太平洋的立場拓展這樣的一個業務這才是真正你們要重視的好不好是 一定副主委 是麻煩你書面的詳查詳密給我有沒有可能成立一個國際處好不好好 我們會書面報告送給委員讓委員了解因為你們這些報告裡面就已經提出來了嘛\n台灣原住民以太平洋區域多數島國地區的人民同屬南島語系的民族不是只有八個邦交你們應該這一句話就是要拓展更多的邦交的以外的南島語系的民族好不好好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:07.606\n我們請顏明慧副主任委員委員好\n\n00:09.484 --> 00:32.997\n剛剛我聽到這個外交部次長所提到的就是我國的我國總共有個八個邦交那後來你再也有報告之後你也報告說台灣原住民族與太平洋區域多數島國地區的人民同屬南島以西的民族OK好待會我來問\n\n00:34.704 --> 00:43.697\n我們屬於南太平洋這個太平洋以多數的島國的地區那既然\n\n00:45.464 --> 01:12.007\n既然是以國際交流的項目經費只不過是1976萬這哪像是一個國際外交的經費這個是我要跟你提醒的今天不是因為加減的問題是因為你們沒有前瞻性而且是只是做格式化\n\n01:12.768 --> 01:21.862\n沒有突破性沒有前瞻性當然經費就會有縮減所以這個是要提醒你們的等一下我要講的是我們\n\n01:23.496 --> 01:43.654\n依照嚴明會目前的組織編列,編制負責嚴明外交或者是國際事務的組織單位是哪一個?每年用以嚴明外交的預算有多少?剛剛我提的,對不對?好,那嚴明會的業務單位包含圖管處、工建處、經發處、社福處\n\n01:47.659 --> 02:02.558\n教文處、中規處、所有圖館處及工建處其他業務單位都有可能接觸到原民外交的事務是原住民外交是一個原住民事務在\n\n02:03.920 --> 02:27.222\n再提的外交議題然後最主要的價值是在以利益為主軸的外交戰場上以原住民的情感連結化解各自國家利益間的衝突所以本席特別強調的我們應該以原民外交為外交困境的突破口\n\n02:28.883 --> 02:47.118\n不只是因為本席具有原住民的身份那主要的原民外交是以人而非以國家為交往的主體這也是顯示原民外交有非常多內涵可以跨口\n\n02:49.600 --> 03:11.398\n找出一个共通性因此本席再请教言明会副主委如果言明外交可以涉及到语言情感文化经济等内涵言明会是不是需要一个专者的业务单位以统合这些可以外交上发挥的内涵本席建议言明会思考成立国际处\n\n03:12.692 --> 03:34.028\n的可能性這樣才能發揮到力量請問剛剛我們邦交有八個邦交可是我們屬於太平洋南太平洋的民主的一個南歐以西的民主你們只有在這八個裡面的範圍內而沒有突破性到其他的\n\n03:35.729 --> 03:50.857\n這個屬於這個南島語系的民主嗎所以這個就是你們現在要有突破性要有前三性你只有一個一年的預算一千九百多萬而已這什麼叫國際外交你如何突破\n\n03:52.093 --> 04:04.340\n傅志偉你來說明一下是跟委員報告陳副委員所提到的台灣的原住民族是屬於南島語族的地區的發源地我想大家都有這樣的一個認知所以我們在107年就重啟了南島論壇這樣的一個NGO組織那這個部分\n\n04:10.223 --> 04:32.130\n已經有15個會員然後一個觀察員那除了這16個之外還有包括澳洲美國加拿大也都會參與我們的一些交流所以我們也在語言文化產業跟學術政策的研究都有每年這樣的一個工作在推動那我們現在已經很早就成立一個綜合規劃處裡面的一個國際事務科\n\n04:35.091 --> 05:00.994\n我想我們事務科的工作人力以目前這樣的一個狀況來推動現在還算是很順利而且也推動了不少在南島以西國家的這樣的一個交流的工作我跟你講剛剛我已經說明嘛你們都是一個格式化嘛對不對格式化沒有突破性嘛現在原民外交是最重要的一環因為它不是以國家的利益以原住民的利益\n\n05:02.276 --> 05:15.835\n跟我們整個南島語系的民主做一個連結性、語言性跟共通性的結合這也是在外交以外的能夠讓我們外交突破的一個重點\n\n05:17.998 --> 05:41.680\n所以這個就是我要建議的是不是要建立一個成立一個國際處而讓它的編制讓它的藝創會有更多的然後推動我們這些原民外交這才是真正要推展的因為現在我們的外交在美當中是一個困境搞不好還要斷了一個外交\n\n05:43.619 --> 05:58.014\n那我們原名外交非常重要的一環啊所以我建議是不是你們則省跟各部會跟外交部跟其他的部會裡面做一個聯繫是不是成立一個國際處的\n\n06:01.077 --> 06:11.445\n可能性,這是我特別提出來的那另外就是,聯合國在經濟社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土問題常設論壇功能是專門為聯合國機構提供原住民問題的專業意見\n\n06:26.401 --> 06:44.297\n請問外交部次長和嚴明會副主委我國在這個論壇參與程度為何出席演講發言還是參與討論而已外交部要如何強化我國在此論壇的參與那外交部你先回答一下\n\n06:52.765 --> 07:17.204\n聯合國經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土著問題常識論壇這已經是一個專責的一個機構了專責的一個機構了所以功能是專門在聯合國機構提供嚴重的問題的專業意見請問外交部你來問一下我想外交部是最外行提到這個問題的來問一下是\n\n07:21.543 --> 07:44.334\n是那麼因為是聯合國的這個組織那當然我們這個在中共的阻撓之下那麼不好直接參加但是我們包括我們這個我現在先馬上糾正你的這些什麼中共第一個我們在聯合國裡面就是一個少數民族的一個\n\n07:47.897 --> 08:00.431\n這個少數民主的一些關係的一個夥伴關係怎麼會是跟中共有關係呢聯合國已經設定我們在台灣的少數民主是一個夥伴關係的一個角色\n\n08:01.052 --> 08:20.271\n那既然今天他已經設出了一個經濟及社會理事會底下的一個機構為聯合國土住問題常識的論壇他就是一個專制機構門給你打開了但問題是我們嚴明會我們嚴明外銷根本沒有涉入這樣的一個重點第二個\n\n08:21.332 --> 08:40.892\n為什麼要讓你成立一個國際處就是要把預算增加然後編制增加讓他們真正的對於外交以外原民原民這個跟聯合國南海平壤這樣的一個一個國家裡面做一個連結做一個聯通這才是真正可以發揮\n\n08:42.934 --> 09:03.524\n也謝謝委員對原民在國際事務上的推動的關心那有關聯合國的長壽議題論壇其實我們每年都會有原住民租人參加像今年的部分四月份舉辦我們有三個團體我們都補助他們來參與這樣一個活動剛剛我就講了嘛你們都是格式化嘛現在你有沒有突破性的一個方法你現在回答我\n\n09:04.907 --> 09:18.125\n還是你現在下次麻煩你用書面詳細詳查的未來你們要推動的原民外銷現在我們已經有無認所的大使\n\n09:19.265 --> 09:37.044\n現在我剛剛我在兩屆的上一屆的外交部長包含這一屆的林佳龍部長我都會提希望還有一個有認手的大使希望你提出一個原住民的有認手的大使真正能夠拓展到我說\n\n09:38.496 --> 09:55.336\n我們外交部麻煩你們重視我們原民外交因為我常提的原民外交現在你們外交部現在也沒有辦法再突破能夠跟建立跟其他國家裡面再做一個邦交而且甚至可能會有斷交的可能\n\n09:57.899 --> 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