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00:00:24,156\n謝謝主席謝謝各位委員官員的出席然後請邱部長謝謝委員長好部長我們先來看一個影片然後想要看您是否認同請助理撥一下\n\n2\n00:00:25,796 --> 00:00:42,381\n五個縣市首長也發出聯合聲明呼籲禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛如果說為了當總統然後犧牲人民的健康作為交換的條件那我想乾脆不要當也罷了市民國人都不會肯定也都不會支持\n\n3\n00:00:43,660 --> 00:01:03,520\n好因為上次我們其實經過這個美國關稅的這個質詢嘛你也不斷一再的提到說國人的健康是你第一個標準所以像賴總統這樣子的態度你是不是認同也會遵守好我想我非常支持當時賴總統當時所提的要照顧\n\n4\n00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:35,874\n全民的一個食安這個立場跟方向是完全正確的好那我們現在就來看一下目前國人蠻在意的幾個點上次我們有列出一個英文的官方這個提到我們台灣的非關稅壁壘有好幾項是他們在意的其中就包括標示產地嘛因為我們會希望有知的權利而且你們食安五環不斷的在強調溯源的重要性但是\n\n5\n00:01:36,414 --> 00:01:49,909\n他長期認為我們標示進口豬牛的產地就是一個目前很可能在關稅站會談判到的一個問題那你是不是可以為我們據理力爭來守護我們國人的健康呢\n\n6\n00:01:51,035 --> 00:02:16,547\n好守護國人的健康是我們的責任那在食安方面的方面委員隨行我請那個署長不用不用不用我請部長因為這個是有政治責任的所以我們還是由部長來回答上次我很幫部長還有署長說話因為關稅戰最後如果我們沒有堅守一些國人健康相關的話那是誰來負責嗎\n\n7\n00:02:18,288 --> 00:02:36,656\n因為剛總統有講到說如果為了犧牲國人健康他不做總統也罷我們上次我就有講到啦我說是談判辦公室要負責談判辦公室要下台外交部要下台總統要下台行政院長要下台還是我們的衛福部官員好我想我們這個產地的標示不管是國內國外是一體私用的\n\n8\n00:02:45,256 --> 00:03:10,993\n所以你會在這個標示上退讓嗎因為當這個他的非關稅貿易壁壘他最強調的就是比如說以前有些角落我們不接受或者是說他希望不要再查場了那或者是說標示產地這個部分我只想知道說萬一後面我們有所退讓的話請問負起政治責任的人是誰啊\n\n9\n00:03:13,598 --> 00:03:38,548\n我想不管是哪一位政府的官員一定我們的共識就是要守護人民的食安那當然最重要就是說要有一個科學的一個根據標示產地有什麼標示產地而已我剛剛講得很清楚我講的是標示產地我們有按照有依法而且是有法律的規定然後也有\n\n10\n00:03:39,528 --> 00:03:44,155\n一體的適用我們就按照這樣來執行這個沒有什麼退讓不退讓的問題這個都要堅持的問題\n\n11\n00:03:47,348 --> 00:04:08,662\n所以您會堅持標示產地其實大家只想知道這個堅持我們原來的規定我們怎麼樣的規定原本的規定再來這個是非常非常多家長最近有在擔心所以我也把這個疑慮提出來我們現在少子化嘛因此每個人家裡可能只有一個小孩大部分都只有一個小孩他們非常重視營養午餐\n\n12\n00:04:10,183 --> 00:04:34,583\n是不是有知的權利還有知道是不是有選擇的權利也有很多人他們是更相信台灣的農產品那當然現在家長就會擔心啦因為我們看到說怎麼關稅團一團變成這個匯率一直台幣不斷在升值大家也覺得很害怕所以裡面有一段就在講說希望可以基改美國的這些基改食品\n\n13\n00:04:35,744 --> 00:04:51,069\n開放到校園營養午餐的這一點也是他們的關稅壁壘裡面那我在這邊提醒您因為這個您還記得齁四年前我們地方政府為了學校的午餐自治條例中想要訂定不得驗出以行受體\n\n14\n00:04:51,909 --> 00:05:10,200\n素還有不得使用肉品原料來源非國產之各式肉類加工品都得不到我們中央部會的支持反而要跟行政院打官司那為什麼要打官司如果你想得起來的話2020年的時候包含您在內絕對多數執政黨的席次\n\n15\n00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:40,000\n封殺了學校衛生法第23條修正新增我剛講到的禁止使用以行獸體素還有肉品及加工品的這個條文喔那當時呢您在這邊也是跟陳時中部長一搭一唱說透過行政辦法就可以規範了結果你看關稅站他這個宣布32%以後端出來的這個官方文件裡面我們上次一起看英文的那一份他就有講到說飛機感的禁令\n\n16\n00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:41,481\n好我想\n\n17\n00:06:08,228 --> 00:06:12,999\n那個不管說什麼食物齁我們當然就要比較各種\n\n18\n00:06:14,221 --> 00:06:44,021\n也許他是怎麼樣做怎麼樣的方式製造都要比較他的一個安全性這是最重要的我們用科學的方法因為這件事情我去查了美國美國兒科醫學會的說法美國兒科醫學會他說因為他沒有長期的追蹤所以這些基凱食品還沒有辦法證實對孩子有影響或沒有影響但是他說有疑慮的就不要做這個選擇所以我從前面就講得很清楚了我們現在的家長在意的是透明\n\n19\n00:06:44,661 --> 00:07:01,972\n知道有選擇而不是被硬塞那你因為身為衛生主管機關的大家長所以會不會因為外交部的關係怕這個禁令孔是被消失啊在這個議題上你可不可以跟家長們站在一起\n\n20\n00:07:04,391 --> 00:07:18,971\n我們衛福部的立場是依法除了守住安全以外當然就是依法行政那如果有特定的場所基於特殊的考量依舊食安法相關的規定可以限制流通我想我們行政部在衛福部這邊\n\n21\n00:07:22,354 --> 00:07:37,809\n我希望未來我們不要看到當時您跟陳時中部長說透過行政辦法就可以規範所以不需要修法這件事情也謝謝部長今天在這邊給我們的承諾再來我們要稍微問一下因為部長今年您會出席WHA嗎會的\n\n22\n00:07:40,611 --> 00:07:57,206\n我有看到你有很頻繁的在投書那我們要如何具體的讓台灣幫助到世界那目前呢這個是去年的11個友邦還有26個國家發言幫助我們嘛請問今年你有掌握嗎今年你掌握到的是會比較多會不會比較多\n\n23\n00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:26,821\n我想我們努力的會讓他更多我想非常感謝陳委員的提案去年陳委員也參加四島團在那邊一起奮鬥非常有成就讓國際間對台灣非常非常的很良好的印象我想這樣的力量量能我們今年一定會努力好那去年呢我有跟你做了一小段的質詢我們現在播放一下\n\n24\n00:08:29,621 --> 00:08:55,377\n因為我跟王振旭委員有去參觀醫會也有去參觀當地的醫院結果當地的醫院很多醫生告訴我們說你認不認識比如說陳世安認不認識某某某這些都是全球在某一個醫療技術上做到尖峰會列進國際教科書的人他們說假使這些台灣之光都可以跟著一起來的話所有在場的醫生都很願意去聽他們演講跟學習所以其實我們有很多東西可以跟國外分享的這也是你可以善用的資源之一因為我看我們做遊行我們這個遊行非常好\n\n25\n00:08:55,717 --> 00:09:11,256\n大家的訴求應該是一致結果你看我們的舉牌亂七八糟有這個政治性的國旗然後有這個立法院的事情然後也有WHO那個很混亂啦其實外國人也搞不清楚你的訴求到底是什麼你是要建立一個國家還是你是要爭取台灣的能堅度還是你是要加入WHO但是既然大家都到國外就應該要團結一致\n\n26\n00:09:11,916 --> 00:09:36,963\n我覺得我們現在是一定要列入來這邊來發揮好我也很非常謝謝衛福部跟外交部這次大家一起辛苦的上次有具體的給您一些建議嗎因為我們現場有很多實體活動但看來看去常常都是自己人在參加我們應該要去思考的是怎麼擴大讓別人真的主動來找我們上次我也給您很具體的建議比如說陳世安陳世安他創造了一個台北approach你知道解決心律不整\n\n27\n00:09:37,563 --> 00:09:53,964\n所以有至少20個國家曾經求他求他去那邊教當地的心臟醫學會改變他們自己的臨床指引然後教學所以瑞士的醫生跟我講說如果你找陳詩安來一定超多人過來聽你們演講\n\n28\n00:09:55,606 --> 00:10:13,127\n因為大家求之不得啊他要走遍所有的國家嘛然後或者是你最熟悉的陳靜心啊陳靜心救了一萬八千個肺癌的病人後來因為他救治這些病人改變了我們台灣追蹤肺腺癌的指引這些你今年來不來得及來不及你要不要明年做\n\n29\n00:10:14,328 --> 00:10:32,981\n包委員您提的建議我們真的非常謝謝肯定跟一定要這樣做我們也拜託各個專科醫學會在平常就會做好一個聯繫所以他們在這個部分幫國家做了很多那今年我們也希望要更多的人但是我們國外的理會\n\n30\n00:10:33,681 --> 00:10:57,464\n不好意思被刪了六成所以我們今年的團少了十個人十個專家所以我們去年其實說是相當要什麼人才有什麼人才但是我們一定會全力來付保持去年的量能那我們還是拜託部長我希望改變的是做法\n\n31\n00:10:58,044 --> 00:11:04,767\n當然當然人數上雖然有所限制現在已經很核心了現在所有的人都是必須要去做外有一點點做國際外交的人那自己專家的話我們很鼓勵如果真的自己有機會的話能夠來加入我們都歡迎\n\n32\n00:11:17,092 --> 00:11:37,309\n我很希望未來你們稍微改變一下做法因為去年你也覺得說我們長期以來似乎沒有什麼太大改變那最後因為這一題是基層醫療希望我可以問的不好意思主席我再來三分鐘這個護理呢三班護病比的這個問題我們當時說提出這個政策是為了提高護理人員增聘7500位\n\n33\n00:11:39,551 --> 00:12:06,290\n那醫學中心預計新增3545區醫院3455地區醫院582人那我想問一下衛福部因為你們做這個公告的時候醫院其實就已經開始改變他們的醫療環境啊開始增聘人力因為每個人都希望可以得到這個護病比獎勵所以我只是想知道說具體你們發布了這個獎勵制度後成效如何因為你有幫自己設定希望增加多少多少多少所以到目前請問不知道你有這個數據嗎\n\n34\n00:12:09,686 --> 00:12:13,889\n這個我們非常努力在進行是不是想市長幫忙回答一下謝謝我們現在在那個監測人力是用每年淨增加多少以及因為護理師的那個人力有季節性所以我們會有每年的同期來比較那目前比如說現在4月底我們護理人力大概增加了3600\n\n35\n00:12:33,976 --> 00:12:52,874\n那醫院是增加1450左右所以你還沒有區分是醫學中心地區你還沒做區分那我現在記得我現在完整的記得的是整體的那那個比例上是以醫學中心增加我可能會後再跟您要這個增減的那個數據可以可以\n\n36\n00:12:53,414 --> 00:13:13,280\n下一個是護理師他們現在非常非常在意的因為之前可能曾經有獎勵的這些專款撥進來結果不夠透明也沒有公開所以他們現在很關心衛福部會怎麼做比如說你多久會公佈怎麼公佈公佈的頻率跟形式因為他們想知道他們的醫院到底是實際獲得多少錢\n\n37\n00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:31,696\n然後這些錢是怎麼分給大家的有沒有每一筆都花到員工的身上因為你是很籠統的說獎勵資訊要公開啦於院內公開公查尋病主動說明什麼等等這個是有點小含糊所以大家還是會很擔心所以希望我在這邊可以詢問\n\n38\n00:13:33,168 --> 00:13:50,539\n好如果是本來就說要給護理同仁的那個一定絕對不能打折那如果整個醫院院內的一個總給院內那院內怎麼分配我們當然也有規定譬如說這三班分泌我們就是要以白一班的\n\n39\n00:13:51,770 --> 00:14:08,699\n護理人員的一個補助的優先這個已經把辦法寫清楚了所以未來護理師可以他們自己可以查得到說我們醫院因為獎勵領到多少錢這個都會是透明的我們會要求NNA完全公告透明的好謝謝謝謝而且會將網站來公開好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6268\t24156\t謝謝主席 謝謝各位委員 官員的出席然後請邱部長 謝謝委員長好 部長我們先來看一個影片然後想要看您是否認同 請助理撥一下\n25796\t42381\t五個縣市首長也發出聯合聲明呼籲禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛如果說為了當總統然後犧牲人民的健康作為交換的條件那我想乾脆不要當也罷了市民國人都不會肯定也都不會支持\n43660\t63520\t好因為上次我們其實經過這個美國關稅的這個質詢嘛你也不斷一再的提到說國人的健康是你第一個標準所以像賴總統這樣子的態度你是不是認同也會遵守好我想我非常支持當時賴總統當時所提的要照顧\n67330\t95874\t全民的一個食安這個立場跟方向是完全正確的好那我們現在就來看一下目前國人蠻在意的幾個點上次我們有列出一個英文的官方這個提到我們台灣的非關稅壁壘有好幾項是他們在意的其中就包括標示產地嘛因為我們會希望有知的權利而且你們食安五環不斷的在強調溯源的重要性但是\n96414\t109909\t他長期認為我們標示進口豬牛的產地就是一個目前很可能在關稅站會談判到的一個問題那你是不是可以為我們據理力爭來守護我們國人的健康呢\n111035\t136547\t好 守護國人的健康是我們的責任那在食安方面的方面委員隨行 我請那個署長不用不用不用 我請部長因為這個是有政治責任的所以我們還是由部長來回答上次我很幫部長還有署長說話因為關稅戰最後如果我們沒有堅守一些國人健康相關的話那是誰來負責嗎\n138288\t156656\t因為剛總統有講到說如果為了犧牲國人健康他不做總統也罷我們上次我就有講到啦我說是談判辦公室要負責談判辦公室要下台外交部要下台總統要下台行政院長要下台還是我們的衛福部官員好 我想我們這個產地的標示不管是國內國外是一體私用的\n165256\t190993\t所以你會在這個標示上退讓嗎因為當這個他的非關稅貿易壁壘他最強調的就是比如說以前有些角落我們不接受或者是說他希望不要再查場了那或者是說標示產地這個部分我只想知道說萬一後面我們有所退讓的話請問負起政治責任的人是誰啊\n193598\t218548\t我想不管是哪一位政府的官員一定我們的共識就是要守護人民的食安那當然最重要就是說要有一個科學的一個根據標示產地有什麼 標示產地而已我剛剛講得很清楚 我講的是標示產地我們有按照有依法 而且是有法律的規定然後也有\n219528\t224155\t一體的適用我們就按照這樣來執行這個沒有什麼退讓不退讓的問題這個都要堅持的問題\n227348\t248662\t所以您會堅持標示產地其實大家只想知道這個堅持我們原來的規定我們怎麼樣的規定原本的規定再來這個是非常非常多家長最近有在擔心所以我也把這個疑慮提出來我們現在少子化嘛因此每個人家裡可能只有一個小孩大部分都只有一個小孩他們非常重視營養午餐\n250183\t274583\t是不是有知的權利還有知道是不是有選擇的權利也有很多人他們是更相信台灣的農產品那當然現在家長就會擔心啦因為我們看到說怎麼關稅團一團變成這個匯率一直台幣不斷在升值大家也覺得很害怕所以裡面有一段就在講說希望可以基改美國的這些基改食品\n275744\t291069\t開放到校園營養午餐的這一點也是他們的關稅壁壘裡面那我在這邊提醒您因為這個您還記得齁四年前我們地方政府為了學校的午餐自治條例中想要訂定不得驗出以行受體\n291909\t310200\t素還有不得使用肉品原料來源非國產之各式肉類加工品都得不到我們中央部會的支持反而要跟行政院打官司那為什麼要打官司如果你想得起來的話2020年的時候包含您在內絕對多數執政黨的席次\n310720\t340000\t封殺了學校衛生法第23條修正新增我剛講到的禁止使用以行獸體素還有肉品及加工品的這個條文喔那當時呢您在這邊也是跟陳時中部長一搭一唱說透過行政辦法就可以規範了結果你看關稅站他這個宣布32%以後端出來的這個官方文件裡面我們上次一起看英文的那一份他就有講到說飛機感的禁令\n341220\t341481\t好 我想\n368228\t372999\t那個不管說什麼食物齁我們當然就要比較各種\n374221\t404021\t也許他是怎麼樣做怎麼樣的方式製造都要比較他的一個安全性這是最重要的我們用科學的方法因為這件事情我去查了美國美國兒科醫學會的說法美國兒科醫學會他說因為他沒有長期的追蹤所以這些基凱食品還沒有辦法證實對孩子有影響或沒有影響但是他說有疑慮的就不要做這個選擇所以我從前面就講得很清楚了我們現在的家長在意的是透明\n404661\t421972\t知道有選擇而不是被硬塞那你因為身為衛生主管機關的大家長所以會不會因為外交部的關係怕這個禁令孔是被消失啊在這個議題上你可不可以跟家長們站在一起\n424391\t438971\t我們衛福部的立場是依法除了守住安全以外當然就是依法行政那如果有特定的場所基於特殊的考量依舊食安法相關的規定可以限制流通我想我們行政部在衛福部這邊\n442354\t457809\t我希望未來我們不要看到當時您跟陳時中部長說透過行政辦法就可以規範所以不需要修法這件事情也謝謝部長今天在這邊給我們的承諾再來我們要稍微問一下因為部長今年您會出席WHA嗎會的\n460611\t477206\t我有看到你有很頻繁的在投書那我們要如何具體的讓台灣幫助到世界那目前呢這個是去年的11個友邦還有26個國家發言幫助我們嘛請問今年你有掌握嗎今年你掌握到的是會比較多會不會比較多\n479946\t506821\t我想我們努力的會讓他更多我想非常感謝陳委員的提案去年陳委員也參加四島團在那邊一起奮鬥非常有成就讓國際間對台灣非常非常的很良好的印象我想這樣的力量 量能我們今年一定會努力好 那去年呢我有跟你做了一小段的質詢我們現在播放一下\n509621\t535377\t因為我跟王振旭委員有去參觀醫會也有去參觀當地的醫院結果當地的醫院很多醫生告訴我們說你認不認識比如說陳世安認不認識某某某這些都是全球在某一個醫療技術上做到尖峰會列進國際教科書的人他們說假使這些台灣之光都可以跟著一起來的話所有在場的醫生都很願意去聽他們演講跟學習所以其實我們有很多東西可以跟國外分享的這也是你可以善用的資源之一因為我看我們做遊行我們這個遊行非常好\n535717\t551256\t大家的訴求應該是一致結果你看我們的舉牌亂七八糟有這個政治性的國旗然後有這個立法院的事情然後也有WHO那個很混亂啦其實外國人也搞不清楚你的訴求到底是什麼你是要建立一個國家還是你是要爭取台灣的能堅度還是你是要加入WHO但是既然大家都到國外就應該要團結一致\n551916\t576963\t我覺得我們現在是一定要列入來這邊來發揮好 我也很非常謝謝衛福部跟外交部這次大家一起辛苦的上次有具體的給您一些建議嗎因為我們現場有很多實體活動但看來看去常常都是自己人在參加我們應該要去思考的是怎麼擴大讓別人真的主動來找我們上次我也給您很具體的建議比如說陳世安陳世安他創造了一個台北approach你知道 解決心律不整\n577563\t593964\t所以有至少20個國家曾經求他求他去那邊教當地的心臟醫學會改變他們自己的臨床指引然後教學所以瑞士的醫生跟我講說如果你找陳詩安來一定超多人過來聽你們演講\n595606\t613127\t因為大家求之不得啊他要走遍所有的國家嘛然後或者是你最熟悉的陳靜心啊陳靜心救了一萬八千個肺癌的病人後來因為他救治這些病人改變了我們台灣追蹤肺腺癌的指引這些你今年來不來得及來不及你要不要明年做\n614328\t632981\t包委員您提的建議我們真的非常謝謝肯定跟一定要這樣做我們也拜託各個專科醫學會在平常就會做好一個聯繫所以他們在這個部分幫國家做了很多那今年我們也希望要更多的人但是我們國外的理會\n633681\t657464\t不好意思被刪了六成所以我們今年的團少了十個人十個專家所以我們去年其實說是相當要什麼人才有什麼人才但是我們一定會全力來付保持去年的量能那我們還是拜託部長我希望改變的是做法\n658044\t664767\t當然當然人數上雖然有所限制現在已經很核心了現在所有的人都是必須要去做外有一點點做國際外交的人那自己專家的話我們很鼓勵如果真的自己有機會的話能夠來加入我們都歡迎\n677092\t697309\t我很希望未來你們稍微改變一下做法因為去年你也覺得說我們長期以來似乎沒有什麼太大改變那最後因為這一題是基層醫療希望我可以問的不好意思主席我再來三分鐘這個護理呢三班護病比的這個問題我們當時說提出這個政策是為了提高護理人員增聘7500位\n699551\t726290\t那醫學中心預計新增3545區醫院3455地區醫院582人那我想問一下衛福部因為你們做這個公告的時候醫院其實就已經開始改變他們的醫療環境啊開始增聘人力因為每個人都希望可以得到這個護病比獎勵所以我只是想知道說具體你們發布了這個獎勵制度後成效如何因為你有幫自己設定希望增加多少多少多少所以到目前請問不知道你有這個數據嗎\n729686\t733889\t這個我們非常努力在進行是不是想市長幫忙回答一下 謝謝我們現在在那個監測人力是用每年淨增加多少以及因為護理師的那個人力有季節性所以我們會有每年的同期來比較那目前比如說現在4月底我們護理人力大概增加了3600\n753976\t772874\t那醫院是增加1450左右所以你還沒有區分是醫學中心地區你還沒做區分那我現在記得我現在完整的記得的是整體的那那個比例上是以醫學中心增加我可能會後再跟您要這個增減的那個數據可以可以\n773414\t793280\t下一個是護理師他們現在非常非常在意的因為之前可能曾經有獎勵的這些專款撥進來結果不夠透明也沒有公開所以他們現在很關心衛福部會怎麼做比如說你多久會公佈怎麼公佈公佈的頻率跟形式因為他們想知道他們的醫院到底是實際獲得多少錢\n794680\t811696\t然後這些錢是怎麼分給大家的有沒有每一筆都花到員工的身上因為你是很籠統的說獎勵資訊要公開啦於院內公開公查尋病主動說明什麼等等這個是有點小含糊所以大家還是會很擔心所以希望我在這邊可以詢問\n813168\t830539\t好如果是本來就說要給護理同仁的那個一定絕對不能打折那如果整個醫院院內的一個總給院內那院內怎麼分配我們當然也有規定譬如說這三班分泌我們就是要以白一班的\n831770\t848699\t護理人員的一個補助的優先這個已經把辦法寫清楚了所以未來護理師可以他們自己可以查得到說我們醫院因為獎勵領到多少錢這個都會是透明的我們會要求NNA完全公告 透明的好 謝謝 謝謝而且會將網站來公開好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 謝謝各位委員 官員的出席然後請邱部長 謝謝委員長好 部長我們先來看一個影片然後想要看您是否認同 請助理撥一下\n五個縣市首長也發出聯合聲明呼籲禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛如果說為了當總統然後犧牲人民的健康作為交換的條件那我想乾脆不要當也罷了市民國人都不會肯定也都不會支持\n好因為上次我們其實經過這個美國關稅的這個質詢嘛你也不斷一再的提到說國人的健康是你第一個標準所以像賴總統這樣子的態度你是不是認同也會遵守好我想我非常支持當時賴總統當時所提的要照顧\n全民的一個食安這個立場跟方向是完全正確的好那我們現在就來看一下目前國人蠻在意的幾個點上次我們有列出一個英文的官方這個提到我們台灣的非關稅壁壘有好幾項是他們在意的其中就包括標示產地嘛因為我們會希望有知的權利而且你們食安五環不斷的在強調溯源的重要性但是\n他長期認為我們標示進口豬牛的產地就是一個目前很可能在關稅站會談判到的一個問題那你是不是可以為我們據理力爭來守護我們國人的健康呢\n好 守護國人的健康是我們的責任那在食安方面的方面委員隨行 我請那個署長不用不用不用 我請部長因為這個是有政治責任的所以我們還是由部長來回答上次我很幫部長還有署長說話因為關稅戰最後如果我們沒有堅守一些國人健康相關的話那是誰來負責嗎\n因為剛總統有講到說如果為了犧牲國人健康他不做總統也罷我們上次我就有講到啦我說是談判辦公室要負責談判辦公室要下台外交部要下台總統要下台行政院長要下台還是我們的衛福部官員好 我想我們這個產地的標示不管是國內國外是一體私用的\n所以你會在這個標示上退讓嗎因為當這個他的非關稅貿易壁壘他最強調的就是比如說以前有些角落我們不接受或者是說他希望不要再查場了那或者是說標示產地這個部分我只想知道說萬一後面我們有所退讓的話請問負起政治責任的人是誰啊\n我想不管是哪一位政府的官員一定我們的共識就是要守護人民的食安那當然最重要就是說要有一個科學的一個根據標示產地有什麼 標示產地而已我剛剛講得很清楚 我講的是標示產地我們有按照有依法 而且是有法律的規定然後也有\n一體的適用我們就按照這樣來執行這個沒有什麼退讓不退讓的問題這個都要堅持的問題\n所以您會堅持標示產地其實大家只想知道這個堅持我們原來的規定我們怎麼樣的規定原本的規定再來這個是非常非常多家長最近有在擔心所以我也把這個疑慮提出來我們現在少子化嘛因此每個人家裡可能只有一個小孩大部分都只有一個小孩他們非常重視營養午餐\n是不是有知的權利還有知道是不是有選擇的權利也有很多人他們是更相信台灣的農產品那當然現在家長就會擔心啦因為我們看到說怎麼關稅團一團變成這個匯率一直台幣不斷在升值大家也覺得很害怕所以裡面有一段就在講說希望可以基改美國的這些基改食品\n開放到校園營養午餐的這一點也是他們的關稅壁壘裡面那我在這邊提醒您因為這個您還記得齁四年前我們地方政府為了學校的午餐自治條例中想要訂定不得驗出以行受體\n素還有不得使用肉品原料來源非國產之各式肉類加工品都得不到我們中央部會的支持反而要跟行政院打官司那為什麼要打官司如果你想得起來的話2020年的時候包含您在內絕對多數執政黨的席次\n封殺了學校衛生法第23條修正新增我剛講到的禁止使用以行獸體素還有肉品及加工品的這個條文喔那當時呢您在這邊也是跟陳時中部長一搭一唱說透過行政辦法就可以規範了結果你看關稅站他這個宣布32%以後端出來的這個官方文件裡面我們上次一起看英文的那一份他就有講到說飛機感的禁令\n好 我想\n那個不管說什麼食物齁我們當然就要比較各種\n也許他是怎麼樣做怎麼樣的方式製造都要比較他的一個安全性這是最重要的我們用科學的方法因為這件事情我去查了美國美國兒科醫學會的說法美國兒科醫學會他說因為他沒有長期的追蹤所以這些基凱食品還沒有辦法證實對孩子有影響或沒有影響但是他說有疑慮的就不要做這個選擇所以我從前面就講得很清楚了我們現在的家長在意的是透明\n知道有選擇而不是被硬塞那你因為身為衛生主管機關的大家長所以會不會因為外交部的關係怕這個禁令孔是被消失啊在這個議題上你可不可以跟家長們站在一起\n我們衛福部的立場是依法除了守住安全以外當然就是依法行政那如果有特定的場所基於特殊的考量依舊食安法相關的規定可以限制流通我想我們行政部在衛福部這邊\n我希望未來我們不要看到當時您跟陳時中部長說透過行政辦法就可以規範所以不需要修法這件事情也謝謝部長今天在這邊給我們的承諾再來我們要稍微問一下因為部長今年您會出席WHA嗎會的\n我有看到你有很頻繁的在投書那我們要如何具體的讓台灣幫助到世界那目前呢這個是去年的11個友邦還有26個國家發言幫助我們嘛請問今年你有掌握嗎今年你掌握到的是會比較多會不會比較多\n我想我們努力的會讓他更多我想非常感謝陳委員的提案去年陳委員也參加四島團在那邊一起奮鬥非常有成就讓國際間對台灣非常非常的很良好的印象我想這樣的力量 量能我們今年一定會努力好 那去年呢我有跟你做了一小段的質詢我們現在播放一下\n因為我跟王振旭委員有去參觀醫會也有去參觀當地的醫院結果當地的醫院很多醫生告訴我們說你認不認識比如說陳世安認不認識某某某這些都是全球在某一個醫療技術上做到尖峰會列進國際教科書的人他們說假使這些台灣之光都可以跟著一起來的話所有在場的醫生都很願意去聽他們演講跟學習所以其實我們有很多東西可以跟國外分享的這也是你可以善用的資源之一因為我看我們做遊行我們這個遊行非常好\n大家的訴求應該是一致結果你看我們的舉牌亂七八糟有這個政治性的國旗然後有這個立法院的事情然後也有WHO那個很混亂啦其實外國人也搞不清楚你的訴求到底是什麼你是要建立一個國家還是你是要爭取台灣的能堅度還是你是要加入WHO但是既然大家都到國外就應該要團結一致\n我覺得我們現在是一定要列入來這邊來發揮好 我也很非常謝謝衛福部跟外交部這次大家一起辛苦的上次有具體的給您一些建議嗎因為我們現場有很多實體活動但看來看去常常都是自己人在參加我們應該要去思考的是怎麼擴大讓別人真的主動來找我們上次我也給您很具體的建議比如說陳世安陳世安他創造了一個台北approach你知道 解決心律不整\n所以有至少20個國家曾經求他求他去那邊教當地的心臟醫學會改變他們自己的臨床指引然後教學所以瑞士的醫生跟我講說如果你找陳詩安來一定超多人過來聽你們演講\n因為大家求之不得啊他要走遍所有的國家嘛然後或者是你最熟悉的陳靜心啊陳靜心救了一萬八千個肺癌的病人後來因為他救治這些病人改變了我們台灣追蹤肺腺癌的指引這些你今年來不來得及來不及你要不要明年做\n包委員您提的建議我們真的非常謝謝肯定跟一定要這樣做我們也拜託各個專科醫學會在平常就會做好一個聯繫所以他們在這個部分幫國家做了很多那今年我們也希望要更多的人但是我們國外的理會\n不好意思被刪了六成所以我們今年的團少了十個人十個專家所以我們去年其實說是相當要什麼人才有什麼人才但是我們一定會全力來付保持去年的量能那我們還是拜託部長我希望改變的是做法\n當然當然人數上雖然有所限制現在已經很核心了現在所有的人都是必須要去做外有一點點做國際外交的人那自己專家的話我們很鼓勵如果真的自己有機會的話能夠來加入我們都歡迎\n我很希望未來你們稍微改變一下做法因為去年你也覺得說我們長期以來似乎沒有什麼太大改變那最後因為這一題是基層醫療希望我可以問的不好意思主席我再來三分鐘這個護理呢三班護病比的這個問題我們當時說提出這個政策是為了提高護理人員增聘7500位\n那醫學中心預計新增3545區醫院3455地區醫院582人那我想問一下衛福部因為你們做這個公告的時候醫院其實就已經開始改變他們的醫療環境啊開始增聘人力因為每個人都希望可以得到這個護病比獎勵所以我只是想知道說具體你們發布了這個獎勵制度後成效如何因為你有幫自己設定希望增加多少多少多少所以到目前請問不知道你有這個數據嗎\n這個我們非常努力在進行是不是想市長幫忙回答一下 謝謝我們現在在那個監測人力是用每年淨增加多少以及因為護理師的那個人力有季節性所以我們會有每年的同期來比較那目前比如說現在4月底我們護理人力大概增加了3600\n那醫院是增加1450左右所以你還沒有區分是醫學中心地區你還沒做區分那我現在記得我現在完整的記得的是整體的那那個比例上是以醫學中心增加我可能會後再跟您要這個增減的那個數據可以可以\n下一個是護理師他們現在非常非常在意的因為之前可能曾經有獎勵的這些專款撥進來結果不夠透明也沒有公開所以他們現在很關心衛福部會怎麼做比如說你多久會公佈怎麼公佈公佈的頻率跟形式因為他們想知道他們的醫院到底是實際獲得多少錢\n然後這些錢是怎麼分給大家的有沒有每一筆都花到員工的身上因為你是很籠統的說獎勵資訊要公開啦於院內公開公查尋病主動說明什麼等等這個是有點小含糊所以大家還是會很擔心所以希望我在這邊可以詢問\n好如果是本來就說要給護理同仁的那個一定絕對不能打折那如果整個醫院院內的一個總給院內那院內怎麼分配我們當然也有規定譬如說這三班分泌我們就是要以白一班的\n護理人員的一個補助的優先這個已經把辦法寫清楚了所以未來護理師可以他們自己可以查得到說我們醫院因為獎勵領到多少錢這個都會是透明的我們會要求NNA完全公告 透明的好 謝謝 謝謝而且會將網站來公開好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.268 --> 00:24.156\n謝謝主席謝謝各位委員官員的出席然後請邱部長謝謝委員長好部長我們先來看一個影片然後想要看您是否認同請助理撥一下\n\n00:25.796 --> 00:42.381\n五個縣市首長也發出聯合聲明呼籲禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛如果說為了當總統然後犧牲人民的健康作為交換的條件那我想乾脆不要當也罷了市民國人都不會肯定也都不會支持\n\n00:43.660 --> 01:03.520\n好因為上次我們其實經過這個美國關稅的這個質詢嘛你也不斷一再的提到說國人的健康是你第一個標準所以像賴總統這樣子的態度你是不是認同也會遵守好我想我非常支持當時賴總統當時所提的要照顧\n\n01:07.330 --> 01:35.874\n全民的一個食安這個立場跟方向是完全正確的好那我們現在就來看一下目前國人蠻在意的幾個點上次我們有列出一個英文的官方這個提到我們台灣的非關稅壁壘有好幾項是他們在意的其中就包括標示產地嘛因為我們會希望有知的權利而且你們食安五環不斷的在強調溯源的重要性但是\n\n01:36.414 --> 01:49.909\n他長期認為我們標示進口豬牛的產地就是一個目前很可能在關稅站會談判到的一個問題那你是不是可以為我們據理力爭來守護我們國人的健康呢\n\n01:51.035 --> 02:16.547\n好守護國人的健康是我們的責任那在食安方面的方面委員隨行我請那個署長不用不用不用我請部長因為這個是有政治責任的所以我們還是由部長來回答上次我很幫部長還有署長說話因為關稅戰最後如果我們沒有堅守一些國人健康相關的話那是誰來負責嗎\n\n02:18.288 --> 02:36.656\n因為剛總統有講到說如果為了犧牲國人健康他不做總統也罷我們上次我就有講到啦我說是談判辦公室要負責談判辦公室要下台外交部要下台總統要下台行政院長要下台還是我們的衛福部官員好我想我們這個產地的標示不管是國內國外是一體私用的\n\n02:45.256 --> 03:10.993\n所以你會在這個標示上退讓嗎因為當這個他的非關稅貿易壁壘他最強調的就是比如說以前有些角落我們不接受或者是說他希望不要再查場了那或者是說標示產地這個部分我只想知道說萬一後面我們有所退讓的話請問負起政治責任的人是誰啊\n\n03:13.598 --> 03:38.548\n我想不管是哪一位政府的官員一定我們的共識就是要守護人民的食安那當然最重要就是說要有一個科學的一個根據標示產地有什麼標示產地而已我剛剛講得很清楚我講的是標示產地我們有按照有依法而且是有法律的規定然後也有\n\n03:39.528 --> 03:44.155\n一體的適用我們就按照這樣來執行這個沒有什麼退讓不退讓的問題這個都要堅持的問題\n\n03:47.348 --> 04:08.662\n所以您會堅持標示產地其實大家只想知道這個堅持我們原來的規定我們怎麼樣的規定原本的規定再來這個是非常非常多家長最近有在擔心所以我也把這個疑慮提出來我們現在少子化嘛因此每個人家裡可能只有一個小孩大部分都只有一個小孩他們非常重視營養午餐\n\n04:10.183 --> 04:34.583\n是不是有知的權利還有知道是不是有選擇的權利也有很多人他們是更相信台灣的農產品那當然現在家長就會擔心啦因為我們看到說怎麼關稅團一團變成這個匯率一直台幣不斷在升值大家也覺得很害怕所以裡面有一段就在講說希望可以基改美國的這些基改食品\n\n04:35.744 --> 04:51.069\n開放到校園營養午餐的這一點也是他們的關稅壁壘裡面那我在這邊提醒您因為這個您還記得齁四年前我們地方政府為了學校的午餐自治條例中想要訂定不得驗出以行受體\n\n04:51.909 --> 05:10.200\n素還有不得使用肉品原料來源非國產之各式肉類加工品都得不到我們中央部會的支持反而要跟行政院打官司那為什麼要打官司如果你想得起來的話2020年的時候包含您在內絕對多數執政黨的席次\n\n05:10.720 --> 05:40.000\n封殺了學校衛生法第23條修正新增我剛講到的禁止使用以行獸體素還有肉品及加工品的這個條文喔那當時呢您在這邊也是跟陳時中部長一搭一唱說透過行政辦法就可以規範了結果你看關稅站他這個宣布32%以後端出來的這個官方文件裡面我們上次一起看英文的那一份他就有講到說飛機感的禁令\n\n05:41.220 --> 05:41.481\n好我想\n\n06:08.228 --> 06:12.999\n那個不管說什麼食物齁我們當然就要比較各種\n\n06:14.221 --> 06:44.021\n也許他是怎麼樣做怎麼樣的方式製造都要比較他的一個安全性這是最重要的我們用科學的方法因為這件事情我去查了美國美國兒科醫學會的說法美國兒科醫學會他說因為他沒有長期的追蹤所以這些基凱食品還沒有辦法證實對孩子有影響或沒有影響但是他說有疑慮的就不要做這個選擇所以我從前面就講得很清楚了我們現在的家長在意的是透明\n\n06:44.661 --> 07:01.972\n知道有選擇而不是被硬塞那你因為身為衛生主管機關的大家長所以會不會因為外交部的關係怕這個禁令孔是被消失啊在這個議題上你可不可以跟家長們站在一起\n\n07:04.391 --> 07:18.971\n我們衛福部的立場是依法除了守住安全以外當然就是依法行政那如果有特定的場所基於特殊的考量依舊食安法相關的規定可以限制流通我想我們行政部在衛福部這邊\n\n07:22.354 --> 07:37.809\n我希望未來我們不要看到當時您跟陳時中部長說透過行政辦法就可以規範所以不需要修法這件事情也謝謝部長今天在這邊給我們的承諾再來我們要稍微問一下因為部長今年您會出席WHA嗎會的\n\n07:40.611 --> 07:57.206\n我有看到你有很頻繁的在投書那我們要如何具體的讓台灣幫助到世界那目前呢這個是去年的11個友邦還有26個國家發言幫助我們嘛請問今年你有掌握嗎今年你掌握到的是會比較多會不會比較多\n\n07:59.946 --> 08:26.821\n我想我們努力的會讓他更多我想非常感謝陳委員的提案去年陳委員也參加四島團在那邊一起奮鬥非常有成就讓國際間對台灣非常非常的很良好的印象我想這樣的力量量能我們今年一定會努力好那去年呢我有跟你做了一小段的質詢我們現在播放一下\n\n08:29.621 --> 08:55.377\n因為我跟王振旭委員有去參觀醫會也有去參觀當地的醫院結果當地的醫院很多醫生告訴我們說你認不認識比如說陳世安認不認識某某某這些都是全球在某一個醫療技術上做到尖峰會列進國際教科書的人他們說假使這些台灣之光都可以跟著一起來的話所有在場的醫生都很願意去聽他們演講跟學習所以其實我們有很多東西可以跟國外分享的這也是你可以善用的資源之一因為我看我們做遊行我們這個遊行非常好\n\n08:55.717 --> 09:11.256\n大家的訴求應該是一致結果你看我們的舉牌亂七八糟有這個政治性的國旗然後有這個立法院的事情然後也有WHO那個很混亂啦其實外國人也搞不清楚你的訴求到底是什麼你是要建立一個國家還是你是要爭取台灣的能堅度還是你是要加入WHO但是既然大家都到國外就應該要團結一致\n\n09:11.916 --> 09:36.963\n我覺得我們現在是一定要列入來這邊來發揮好我也很非常謝謝衛福部跟外交部這次大家一起辛苦的上次有具體的給您一些建議嗎因為我們現場有很多實體活動但看來看去常常都是自己人在參加我們應該要去思考的是怎麼擴大讓別人真的主動來找我們上次我也給您很具體的建議比如說陳世安陳世安他創造了一個台北approach你知道解決心律不整\n\n09:37.563 --> 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