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00:00:09,554\n主席好有請部長劉部長有請委員長部長好部長看一下這個特別條例有通過了嗎還有預算可以大內宣了嗎問部長一下特別條例有過了嗎\n\n2\n00:00:32,284 --> 00:00:54,403\n目前在大院好像是有附委但是還沒有做報告還有做審查對還沒有過但是就好像都在宣傳所以說這個部分我們是還沒過嘛對還在審查中但是我們就看到就是大家都在我們內政部這邊在做宣傳\n\n3\n00:00:55,684 --> 00:00:58,065\n所以依據我們的危老條例門檻屋齡30年以上未老舊房屋內政部統計的屋齡資料顯示目前全國超過30年以上的房屋也有將近600萬戶\n\n4\n00:01:17,580 --> 00:01:43,585\n所以占全國全體住宅的60%請問截止目前各縣市已經完成都市更新還有危老重建的屋數分別為多少比較潛在的老屋的技術還有實際的推動比例為何中央是否定有具體的中長期的推動目標還有時程嗎\n\n5\n00:01:49,558 --> 00:02:15,638\n好沒問題感謝委員其實因為都更條例跟都更條例後面我們接著一個危老那到截至目前為止都更的案件大概有1200多件那危老的案件大概有4600多件那所以這一些案子其實在過去的努力當中其實速度有逐漸在加快因為我們把一些法規做修正那但是呢我想在危老他的部分呢因為\n\n6\n00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:30,514\n我們已經即將要借起時間快到那所以當然各界期待我們把危老條例再做修正跟延長這部分我們也目前已經正在研擬相關的一個草案所以這個部分我們會讓他把它\n\n7\n00:02:31,696 --> 00:02:55,194\n往前推但是如果是屬於在這個10成獎勵的部分我們在原來訂定的時候就希望它改成用規模獎勵那所以也就是說我們不希望過去那種規模太小的重建案還去用那麼高的容積獎勵所以在規模獎勵上面呢我們是把它納進去來取代這一個10成獎勵這個部分我想在後續的這個修法裡面我們也會把它一併來納進去\n\n8\n00:02:56,836 --> 00:03:04,179\n我們知道就是危老條件就是獎勵到今年五月份到齊但是目前我們有接續的政策嘛剛才你說的是政府有很多的問題但是都到齊了在想辦法展演所以不願意提前想好問題怎麼解決啦這個就是我們\n\n9\n00:03:19,921 --> 00:03:26,464\n想要的所以在我們的這屆期後中央是否已經是接續獎勵的機制草案嗎有了嗎還有什麼原則啊或者說有沒有說新的獎勵是否等於說危老的政策\n\n10\n00:03:39,089 --> 00:03:54,675\n這實質上有沒有終止這樣如何整理就是說我們整理中的案件有嗎有沒有是這樣子的一個完整的根文報告因為其實在修法要去延長的這一個部分\n\n11\n00:03:55,135 --> 00:04:17,201\n我們的確都在進行當中那獎勵的部分就會像我們剛剛所講的我們會是以規模獎勵為主就是原來的10成獎勵會落日取消但是規模獎勵會繼續延續這第一個第二個就是說我們也會檢討過程當中是不是還有程序可以簡化的部分這個部分我們也會在這一個修法裡面呢\n\n12\n00:04:17,801 --> 00:04:32,724\n來一併來提出我們希望能夠協助這一類的危老案件後面的速度能夠越來越快這一定是我們在目前正在進行的這個作業這沒有問題所以說我們希望是說真的是有解決方式啦不只是說到了再來去水到腳了再來跳這樣子的意思啦所以剛剛問的就是危老重建的制度嘛是那接下來想要請教一下我們的\n\n13\n00:04:45,633 --> 00:05:08,292\n都跟整合的问题目前主要的瓶颈就是说住户医院就是同诊的困难所以目前我们租同意的比例还有是否修法我们精简的制度是可能性吗或者考虑说区段同意的比例分流或者整合奖励的扎码\n\n14\n00:05:09,171 --> 00:05:12,892\n等這樣子的彈性的制度政府是考慮說設置的協調平台有沒有納入說第三方的調解的機制來協助就是澄清的爭議或者是降低這樣子的對抗除了願意整合以外呢為什麼我們很多的住戶不願意的主因所以部長我們署長這邊有沒有知道為什麼\n\n15\n00:05:37,079 --> 00:06:03,429\n了解跟委員報告啦因為其實都更案過程當中的確就像委員所講的中間會存在的資訊不對稱還有住戶的同意比例那所以我們在過程當中其實因為各縣市的量能跟形態都不一樣所以基本上我們在過程當中有鼓勵地方政府是否在整合到一定比例的時候就應該主動來介入也就是說協助譬如說你已經達到三分之二或四分之三那\n\n16\n00:06:04,449 --> 00:06:26,161\n政府要不要進來再做協助因為怕有時候最後一關不好送或者是還有人堅持那所以在這個過程當中地方政府的適度介入其實是有必要的第二個就是說過程當中其實也存在了很多的爭議所以我們在法規裡面都已經有訂定地方可以成立都更新的一個審議跟這個爭議協調委員會的機制去處理那所以未來在做法上\n\n17\n00:06:32,484 --> 00:06:52,115\n我想我們每年都有持續的檢討就是會希望地方政府是否能夠調降那個進入的時機因為地方政府都希望到八九十的時候再進入但是如果可以的話再早一點介入的話或許可以讓這些案件的通過的時間能夠再加快這個我們會來跟地方政府再來開會來檢討\n\n18\n00:06:54,096 --> 00:07:13,043\n謝謝署長因為我們是希望知道是主要的原因因為我們就是你講的就是你們過程的處理因為要有這些處理才能協助他們往前對我們希望說有哪一些主要的原因我們才能知道說我們也是因為民意代表我們就是幫忙溝通來問解決的問題但是你們是\n\n19\n00:07:17,805 --> 00:07:33,251\n行政的過程你們去處理你們去做啦我們是希望想要的是說知道的什麼主因所以我們是資訊不對稱還有就是就是有這樣的不信任感所以我們希望才導致就是意願降低嘛所以我們是有的時候就是\n\n20\n00:07:35,552 --> 00:07:48,827\n建商變奸商所以變成我們導致就是很多屋主被騙或者是說掛了一間類似的案件都市更新又馬上就是就是含痰的效應\n\n21\n00:07:50,589 --> 00:08:05,401\n挖來挖去民眾所獲得資訊跟建商的就是有很大的落差所以我們希望的是說你要知道的原因的落實來去做溝通才不會說資訊都他太大我們務主就對我們政府沒有信任感所以才會產生就很大的問題所以我們目前就是沒有標準化也沒有說都是更新的一個\n\n22\n00:08:18,548 --> 00:08:32,820\n計畫的範本所以財務的模式的工具所以我們希望說這樣子的話我們是不是這也有一個是有效益的讓我們的民眾他們知道說不是任何都是透過建商\n\n23\n00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:40,122\n才知道要怎麼去做他們是不是可以直接就會有說比如說我們現在社區有就是更新的顧問制度對待還有就是說我們的社區醫師或者公開社區的都更諮詢師等等提供但是我們現在目前是沒有沒有完整的\n\n24\n00:08:55,973 --> 00:09:15,051\n让我们的个别的租屋他们真的是有一个求助管道都会透过建商来去帮忙写计划送计划等于就是他们都没有完整我们希望是有没有完整有效的范本让大家可以去做参考这个部分\n\n25\n00:09:15,953 --> 00:09:43,741\n好所以第二個的話我想說就是因為時間的關係我希望說我們就是希望有在22的縣市中有沒有成立就是專者就是推動的單位也有陣地這樣子的標準的考慮的機制因為我們希望說計劃掌力補助方式對我們的地方還有中央的明確的目標因為我們有很多的\n\n26\n00:09:44,561 --> 00:10:13,941\n我以前都是在台中中區那邊我們了解就是這樣子的老屋啊都更但是呢因為政府有這樣的好意但是呢我們的要有沒有說我們的中小企業有我們中小企業的信用保證基金但是我們有沒有可以說用一個都更金融就是都市更新融資保證的基金讓我們想要都更的人\n\n27\n00:10:14,881 --> 00:10:31,646\n這樣子我們政府做一個保障讓他們可以去有這個經費來可以去做我們希望說這個部分是不是可以感謝委員其實我們大概各縣市有成立相關的輔導團來做協助第二個就是說在危老的部分其實已經有所謂的\n\n28\n00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:56,079\n信用信保的制度那都更的部分其實過程當中很多縣市政府也都會有做類似信託的動作那所以這個部分我想我們在整個制度我們會整整體在持續的檢討那會有進一步的話會跟大會這邊再來做說明我們這邊就是要送我們的就是立院有相關這些的資訊讓我們可以做參考\n\n29\n00:10:58,806 --> 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因為\n我們已經即將要借起時間快到那所以當然各界期待我們把危老條例再做修正跟延長這部分我們也目前已經正在研擬相關的一個草案所以這個部分我們會讓他把它\n往前推但是如果是屬於在這個10成獎勵的部分我們在原來訂定的時候就希望它改成用規模獎勵那所以也就是說我們不希望過去那種規模太小的重建案還去用那麼高的容積獎勵所以在規模獎勵上面呢我們是把它納進去來取代這一個10成獎勵這個部分我想在後續的這個修法裡面我們也會把它一併來納進去\n我們知道就是危老條件就是獎勵到今年五月份到齊但是目前我們有接續的政策嘛剛才你說的是政府有很多的問題但是都到齊了在想辦法展演所以不願意提前想好問題怎麼解決啦這個就是我們\n想要的所以在我們的這屆期後中央是否已經是接續獎勵的機制草案嗎有了嗎還有什麼原則啊或者說有沒有說新的獎勵是否等於說危老的政策\n這實質上有沒有終止這樣如何整理就是說我們整理中的案件有嗎有沒有是這樣子的一個完整的根文報告因為其實在修法要去延長的這一個部分\n我們的確都在進行當中那獎勵的部分就會像我們剛剛所講的我們會是以規模獎勵為主就是原來的10成獎勵會落日取消但是規模獎勵會繼續延續這第一個第二個就是說我們也會檢討過程當中是不是還有程序可以簡化的部分這個部分我們也會在這一個修法裡面呢\n來一併來提出我們希望能夠協助這一類的危老案件後面的速度能夠越來越快這一定是我們在目前正在進行的這個作業這沒有問題所以說我們希望是說真的是有解決方式啦不只是說到了再來去水到腳了再來跳這樣子的意思啦所以剛剛問的就是危老重建的制度嘛是那接下來想要請教一下我們的\n都跟整合的问题目前主要的瓶颈就是说住户医院就是同诊的困难所以目前我们租同意的比例还有是否修法我们精简的制度是可能性吗或者考虑说区段同意的比例分流或者整合奖励的扎码\n等這樣子的彈性的制度政府是考慮說設置的協調平台有沒有納入說第三方的調解的機制來協助就是澄清的爭議或者是降低這樣子的對抗除了願意整合以外呢為什麼我們很多的住戶不願意的主因所以部長我們署長這邊有沒有知道為什麼\n了解跟委員報告啦因為其實都更案過程當中的確就像委員所講的中間會存在的資訊不對稱還有住戶的同意比例那所以我們在過程當中其實因為各縣市的量能跟形態都不一樣所以基本上我們在過程當中有鼓勵地方政府是否在整合到一定比例的時候就應該主動來介入也就是說協助譬如說你已經達到三分之二或四分之三那\n政府要不要進來再做協助因為怕有時候最後一關不好送或者是還有人堅持那所以在這個過程當中地方政府的適度介入其實是有必要的第二個就是說過程當中其實也存在了很多的爭議所以我們在法規裡面都已經有訂定地方可以成立都更新的一個審議跟這個爭議協調委員會的機制去處理那所以未來在做法上\n我想我們每年都有持續的檢討就是會希望地方政府是否能夠調降那個進入的時機因為地方政府都希望到八九十的時候再進入但是如果可以的話再早一點介入的話或許可以讓這些案件的通過的時間能夠再加快這個我們會來跟地方政府再來開會來檢討\n謝謝署長因為我們是希望知道是主要的原因因為我們就是你講的就是你們過程的處理因為要有這些處理才能協助他們往前對我們希望說有哪一些主要的原因我們才能知道說我們也是因為民意代表我們就是幫忙溝通來問解決的問題但是你們是\n行政的過程你們去處理你們去做啦我們是希望想要的是說知道的什麼主因所以我們是資訊不對稱還有就是就是有這樣的不信任感所以我們希望才導致就是意願降低嘛所以我們是有的時候就是\n建商變奸商所以變成我們導致就是很多屋主被騙或者是說掛了一間類似的案件都市更新又馬上就是就是含痰的效應\n挖來挖去 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00:54.403\n目前在大院好像是有附委但是還沒有做報告還有做審查對還沒有過但是就好像都在宣傳所以說這個部分我們是還沒過嘛對還在審查中但是我們就看到就是大家都在我們內政部這邊在做宣傳\n\n00:55.684 --> 00:58.065\n所以依據我們的危老條例門檻屋齡30年以上未老舊房屋內政部統計的屋齡資料顯示目前全國超過30年以上的房屋也有將近600萬戶\n\n01:17.580 --> 01:43.585\n所以占全國全體住宅的60%請問截止目前各縣市已經完成都市更新還有危老重建的屋數分別為多少比較潛在的老屋的技術還有實際的推動比例為何中央是否定有具體的中長期的推動目標還有時程嗎\n\n01:49.558 --> 02:15.638\n好沒問題感謝委員其實因為都更條例跟都更條例後面我們接著一個危老那到截至目前為止都更的案件大概有1200多件那危老的案件大概有4600多件那所以這一些案子其實在過去的努力當中其實速度有逐漸在加快因為我們把一些法規做修正那但是呢我想在危老他的部分呢因為\n\n02:16.639 --> 02:30.514\n我們已經即將要借起時間快到那所以當然各界期待我們把危老條例再做修正跟延長這部分我們也目前已經正在研擬相關的一個草案所以這個部分我們會讓他把它\n\n02:31.696 --> 02:55.194\n往前推但是如果是屬於在這個10成獎勵的部分我們在原來訂定的時候就希望它改成用規模獎勵那所以也就是說我們不希望過去那種規模太小的重建案還去用那麼高的容積獎勵所以在規模獎勵上面呢我們是把它納進去來取代這一個10成獎勵這個部分我想在後續的這個修法裡面我們也會把它一併來納進去\n\n02:56.836 --> 03:04.179\n我們知道就是危老條件就是獎勵到今年五月份到齊但是目前我們有接續的政策嘛剛才你說的是政府有很多的問題但是都到齊了在想辦法展演所以不願意提前想好問題怎麼解決啦這個就是我們\n\n03:19.921 --> 03:26.464\n想要的所以在我們的這屆期後中央是否已經是接續獎勵的機制草案嗎有了嗎還有什麼原則啊或者說有沒有說新的獎勵是否等於說危老的政策\n\n03:39.089 --> 03:54.675\n這實質上有沒有終止這樣如何整理就是說我們整理中的案件有嗎有沒有是這樣子的一個完整的根文報告因為其實在修法要去延長的這一個部分\n\n03:55.135 --> 04:17.201\n我們的確都在進行當中那獎勵的部分就會像我們剛剛所講的我們會是以規模獎勵為主就是原來的10成獎勵會落日取消但是規模獎勵會繼續延續這第一個第二個就是說我們也會檢討過程當中是不是還有程序可以簡化的部分這個部分我們也會在這一個修法裡面呢\n\n04:17.801 --> 04:32.724\n來一併來提出我們希望能夠協助這一類的危老案件後面的速度能夠越來越快這一定是我們在目前正在進行的這個作業這沒有問題所以說我們希望是說真的是有解決方式啦不只是說到了再來去水到腳了再來跳這樣子的意思啦所以剛剛問的就是危老重建的制度嘛是那接下來想要請教一下我們的\n\n04:45.633 --> 05:08.292\n都跟整合的问题目前主要的瓶颈就是说住户医院就是同诊的困难所以目前我们租同意的比例还有是否修法我们精简的制度是可能性吗或者考虑说区段同意的比例分流或者整合奖励的扎码\n\n05:09.171 --> 05:12.892\n等這樣子的彈性的制度政府是考慮說設置的協調平台有沒有納入說第三方的調解的機制來協助就是澄清的爭議或者是降低這樣子的對抗除了願意整合以外呢為什麼我們很多的住戶不願意的主因所以部長我們署長這邊有沒有知道為什麼\n\n05:37.079 --> 06:03.429\n了解跟委員報告啦因為其實都更案過程當中的確就像委員所講的中間會存在的資訊不對稱還有住戶的同意比例那所以我們在過程當中其實因為各縣市的量能跟形態都不一樣所以基本上我們在過程當中有鼓勵地方政府是否在整合到一定比例的時候就應該主動來介入也就是說協助譬如說你已經達到三分之二或四分之三那\n\n06:04.449 --> 06:26.161\n政府要不要進來再做協助因為怕有時候最後一關不好送或者是還有人堅持那所以在這個過程當中地方政府的適度介入其實是有必要的第二個就是說過程當中其實也存在了很多的爭議所以我們在法規裡面都已經有訂定地方可以成立都更新的一個審議跟這個爭議協調委員會的機制去處理那所以未來在做法上\n\n06:32.484 --> 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