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00:01:52,948\n如果我們一定會往這個方向來規劃那麼有的時候這個駐台的使節這個比較容易時間比較在都在這裡那麼另外說我國外的訪兵如果來台訪問那麼我們都會鼓勵他在台灣如果多留一下可以多看看那我們常提到是說這個阿里山的這個\n\n6\n00:01:55,788 --> 00:02:22,655\n這個阿里山跟蘭嶼這兩個是一個很好的應該要去訪問的地方那麼還有台南的這個台灣的這個最古老的那種文化傳承阿里山的這個山林之美那麼在這個蘭嶼的這個海洋之美我想這些地方我們都是希望能夠外國訪兵可以多探訪的地方之後我們一定會安排這個駐台的使節去阿里山再去\n\n7\n00:02:23,775 --> 00:02:39,800\n能夠去那邊看一看那麼了解台灣的這個很特別的地方配合今年這些重大的這些媒體的這些報導我覺得是可以好好的來去宣傳一波那除了這個之外那阿里山的森林鐵路也是我們台灣\n\n8\n00:02:41,260 --> 00:03:02,108\n這個推展世界遺產的一個重要的潛力點那當然是包含文化資產的保存法第11條之一要求政府繼續推動這個我國的世界遺產潛力點還有一些非物質文化遺產的潛力點等等的那我向外交部也來旋力協助好不好因為這個是已經不是我們嘉義我們的選區的這一個重要的一個\n\n9\n00:03:02,948 --> 00:03:30,177\n景觀而已他甚至是具備台灣挑戰世界遺產的潛力點那我們這些能做的我們就把它來擴大辦理好不好一定那另外就是我們今天有提到原住民族那包含原住民原民會有邀請駐台使節來參與這個座主年度的大型祭典表示說這些跟其他國家的這些原住民族也有這個交流的可能性所以這部分是不是也跟跨部會一起來協助協調\n\n10\n00:03:31,377 --> 00:03:45,693\n當然那麼這也是我們部長的理念我們部長才在提到就是剛才說說的總和外交那我們也把這個原民外交能夠放在這個裡面第一個是推廣我們的原住民文化他的這個豐富跟他的這個美以及對於整個台灣\n\n11\n00:03:46,394 --> 00:04:12,305\n文化的這個豐富多樣性的一個充實這是一個命案第二個是說那麼像我們讓這個更多的原住民參與到這樣就好像剛才昭偉所提到的那麼如果說我們在國際上面可能遇到一些困境但是從文化的角度從這個民族的角度切近我想是一個非常好的一個位置一個方向這我們就在總和的外交裡面我們都把它放在一起來思考\n\n12\n00:04:14,298 --> 00:04:23,853\n市長這個歐洲的勝利日是在幾月幾號歐洲的勝利日二戰的這個勝利日5月8號那今天是\n\n13\n00:04:24,795 --> 00:04:53,047\n今天是5月8號所以我們今天有規劃總統我規劃這個相關的活動對這是一個很重要的一個活動因為過去我們應該沒有這樣的潛力嘛對不對今年是因為是80年那麼他的意義比較重大那麼也在說說明了一個事情就是說其實這二次大戰的一個基因就是那麼侵略必敗嘛那麼這個這個各個國家那個民眾他的自發性的這個抵抗那麼我覺得這是一個意義重大的一個事情\n\n14\n00:04:53,807 --> 00:05:13,148\n對意義重大的事情那中共它是長年去壟斷它二段的敘事就是他們的這種他們的敘事前把勝利歸功於是中共它自己但是事實上大家都知道在不管是整個對二次世界大戰對這個反抗極權的這一個努力來說的話基本上\n\n15\n00:05:14,262 --> 00:05:34,214\n中共基本上都是在後面,都是在國軍的後面嘛所以透過這種類似用我們跟這個二戰勝利八十週年的紀念活動把這個話語權拿回來對我國的敘事模式是非常重要的這個部分今天有沒有掌握大概我們會不會用什麼樣的方式去詮釋我們這個二戰勝利的意義\n\n16\n00:05:36,255 --> 00:06:02,630\n我們了解到今天這個總統會發表相關的演說那重新定義我們中華民國在整個二次大戰之中的一個地位尤其要再一次的提醒國際社會那麼在這個中國這塊土地上面領導這個軍民那麼去打贏了這個二次世界大戰是在這個中華民國政府的領導之下那麼中共就好像剛才委員所說的\n\n17\n00:06:03,190 --> 00:06:23,957\n中共從那個時候的策略都講得很清楚,最重要是要保存實力,也要跟國民黨在鬥爭,我想這個東西必須要很清楚的做。今天我們注意到習近平在去莫斯科參加二次大戰勝利日的文章也指出了,\n\n18\n00:06:26,798 --> 00:06:40,937\n扭曲了這個歷史第一個是說當然是中華民國領導這樣的一個二次世界大戰這個中國地區的人民的軍民的這個反抗第二個很重要的是我們跟理念相近的國家結合一起的取得了這個勝利\n\n19\n00:06:41,820 --> 00:07:05,958\n好謝謝次長另外就是說最近包含美國的這些參眾議員的這些國會議員都在強調還有包含2758號絕育文的中共的這個錯誤詮釋我覺得已經開始起到效果了這已經有國際上面慢慢有創造出新的這個共識那過去他們想要用自己的敘事權來扭曲2758號絕育文已經有已經被我們相當程度的來去破解了\n\n20\n00:07:06,198 --> 00:07:27,193\n所以這部分也請次長跟外交部來一起去把2758決定為物用物體來形成全球民主國家要聯手的一個修正錯誤認知的一個趨勢再來最後任性台灣的論述我想次長應該有看到最近的一期的經濟選是在以台灣為封面\n\n21\n00:07:28,086 --> 00:07:53,008\n那我要講一件事情就是說當我們講到以色列的時候我們會不會覺得說他怎麼一直都面對著這一個很多的這種周圍國家的挑戰你會覺得他是一個風險很大你就會覺得他是一個很危險的一個地方嗎還是你會覺得以色列是一個有能力面對這些挑戰有能力面對這些風險可以管理這些風險還可以運用自己的科技來去反制這些風險的一個國家\n\n22\n00:07:54,571 --> 00:08:18,569\n我想委員說得很正確就是說其實以色列一直被當成是一個在強靈還世的情況之下能夠那麼自詡保持自己自身的獨立那麼能夠面到任何的因應任何的挑戰包括您所說的就是總體的這個國力科技等等的這的確是台灣的模範我們也希望台灣之後會被人家看到那這也是說在這個賴總統的帶領之下\n\n23\n00:08:20,951 --> 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意義重大的事情那中共它是長年去壟斷它二段的敘事就是他們的這種他們的敘事前把勝利歸功於是中共它自己但是事實上大家都知道在不管是整個對二次世界大戰對這個反抗極權的這一個努力來說的話基本上\n314262\t334214\t中共基本上都是在後面,都是在國軍的後面嘛所以透過這種類似用我們跟這個二戰勝利八十週年的紀念活動把這個話語權拿回來對我國的敘事模式是非常重要的這個部分今天有沒有掌握大概我們會不會用什麼樣的方式去詮釋我們這個二戰勝利的意義\n336255\t362630\t我們了解到今天這個總統會發表相關的演說那重新定義我們中華民國在整個二次大戰之中的一個地位尤其要再一次的提醒國際社會那麼在這個中國這塊土地上面領導這個軍民那麼去打贏了這個二次世界大戰是在這個中華民國政府的領導之下那麼中共就好像剛才委員所說的\n363190\t383957\t中共從那個時候的策略都講得很清楚,最重要是要保存實力,也要跟國民黨在鬥爭,我想這個東西必須要很清楚的做。今天我們注意到習近平在去莫斯科參加二次大戰勝利日的文章也指出了,\n386798\t400937\t扭曲了這個歷史第一個是說當然是中華民國領導這樣的一個二次世界大戰這個中國地區的人民的軍民的這個反抗第二個很重要的是我們跟理念相近的國家結合一起的取得了這個勝利\n401820\t425958\t好 謝謝次長 另外就是說最近包含美國的這些參眾議員的這些國會議員都在強調還有包含2758號絕育文的中共的這個錯誤詮釋我覺得已經開始起到效果了 這已經有國際上面慢慢有創造出新的這個共識那過去他們想要用自己的敘事權來扭曲2758號絕育文已經有 已經被我們相當程度的來去破解了\n426198\t447193\t所以這部分也請次長跟外交部來一起去把2758決定為物用物體來形成全球民主國家要聯手的一個修正錯誤認知的一個趨勢再來最後任性台灣的論述我想次長應該有看到最近的一期的經濟選是在以台灣為封面\n448086\t473008\t那我要講一件事情就是說當我們講到以色列的時候我們會不會覺得說他怎麼一直都面對著這一個很多的這種周圍國家的挑戰你會覺得他是一個風險很大你就會覺得他是一個很危險的一個地方嗎還是你會覺得以色列是一個有能力面對這些挑戰有能力面對這些風險可以管理這些風險還可以運用自己的科技來去反制這些風險的一個國家\n474571\t498569\t我想委員說得很正確就是說其實以色列一直被當成是一個在強靈還世的情況之下能夠那麼自詡保持自己自身的獨立那麼能夠面到任何的因應任何的挑戰包括您所說的就是總體的這個國力科技等等的這的確是台灣的模範我們也希望台灣之後會被人家看到那這也是說在這個賴總統的帶領之下\n500951\t522489\t在這個內容的帶領之下我們要增加韌性台灣要增加國防要能夠全社會韌性這種種的東西我們希望讓人家知道我們是一個能夠堅持我們的國際地位堅持我們的國家主權堅持我們的民主生活方式的一個國家所以說你們要特別是外交部就必須要把這個論述講清楚\n523109\t541966\t就是說我們不會否認風險的存在但我們不是一個被動等待風險的一個受害者而是一個能夠管理風險然後來去面對風險然後來去可以面對強權的時候還能夠有韌性去定謀的一個力量這個論述外交部要趕快統整好\n","txt":"我們請次長蔡委員早次長好最近我們阿里山它受到國際的矚目我看2025年5月6號國家地理雜誌它選列阿里山為台灣五大秘境那強調我們是雲海啊日出啊還有從日治時代到現在的這個檜木的歷史文化\n他說阿里山是外國旅客除了台北之外最值得造訪的世外桃源那2025年也是今年的1月10號那在紐約時報也有公布2025年最值得去的52個地方那阿里山也是名列第19位那2024年10月那還有專文來介紹阿里山的這個神木的遺跡高山鐵道雲海日出等等那最近這一個這個升鐵那重新請用那包含戴金的總統\n也還有行政院院長都有來嘉義我們一起來促進這些觀光我想請教一下外交部有沒有掌握這些近期的國際這些媒體對阿里山的正面報導有沒有考慮說讓邀請過去也有過2017年\n現在跟過去2017年台灣的在國際的能見度是完全不一樣是增加很高的能見度所以我想請教一下有沒有儘速邀請駐台的時節包含眷屬來阿里山來參訪再一次來擴大辦理呢\n如果我們一定會往這個方向來規劃那麼有的時候這個駐台的使節這個比較容易時間比較在都在這裡那麼另外說我國外的訪兵如果來台訪問那麼我們都會鼓勵他在台灣如果多留一下可以多看看那我們常提到是說這個阿里山的這個\n這個阿里山跟蘭嶼這兩個是一個很好的應該要去訪問的地方那麼還有台南的這個台灣的這個最古老的那種文化傳承阿里山的這個山林之美那麼在這個蘭嶼的這個海洋之美我想這些地方我們都是希望能夠外國訪兵可以多探訪的地方之後我們一定會安排這個駐台的使節去阿里山再去\n能夠去那邊看一看那麼了解台灣的這個很特別的地方配合今年這些重大的這些媒體的這些報導我覺得是可以好好的來去宣傳一波那除了這個之外那阿里山的森林鐵路也是我們台灣\n這個推展世界遺產的一個重要的潛力點那當然是包含文化資產的保存法第11條之一要求政府繼續推動這個我國的世界遺產潛力點還有一些非物質文化遺產的潛力點等等的那我向外交部也來旋力協助好不好因為這個是已經不是我們嘉義我們的選區的這一個重要的一個\n景觀而已他甚至是具備台灣挑戰世界遺產的潛力點那我們這些能做的我們就把它來擴大辦理好不好一定那另外就是我們今天有提到原住民族那包含原住民原民會有邀請駐台使節來參與這個座主年度的大型祭典表示說這些跟其他國家的這些原住民族也有這個交流的可能性所以這部分是不是也跟跨部會一起來協助協調\n當然那麼這也是我們部長的理念我們部長才在提到就是剛才說說的總和外交那我們也把這個原民外交能夠放在這個裡面第一個是推廣我們的原住民文化他的這個豐富跟他的這個美以及對於整個台灣\n文化的這個豐富多樣性的一個充實這是一個命案第二個是說那麼像我們讓這個更多的原住民參與到這樣就好像剛才昭偉所提到的那麼如果說我們在國際上面可能遇到一些困境但是從文化的角度從這個民族的角度切近我想是一個非常好的一個位置一個方向這我們就在總和的外交裡面我們都把它放在一起來思考\n市長這個歐洲的勝利日是在幾月幾號歐洲的勝利日二戰的這個勝利日5月8號那今天是\n今天是5月8號所以我們今天有規劃總統我規劃這個相關的活動對這是一個很重要的一個活動因為過去我們應該沒有這樣的潛力嘛對不對今年是因為是80年那麼他的意義比較重大那麼也在說說明了一個事情就是說其實這二次大戰的一個基因就是那麼侵略必敗嘛那麼這個這個各個國家那個民眾他的自發性的這個抵抗那麼我覺得這是一個意義重大的一個事情\n對 意義重大的事情那中共它是長年去壟斷它二段的敘事就是他們的這種他們的敘事前把勝利歸功於是中共它自己但是事實上大家都知道在不管是整個對二次世界大戰對這個反抗極權的這一個努力來說的話基本上\n中共基本上都是在後面,都是在國軍的後面嘛所以透過這種類似用我們跟這個二戰勝利八十週年的紀念活動把這個話語權拿回來對我國的敘事模式是非常重要的這個部分今天有沒有掌握大概我們會不會用什麼樣的方式去詮釋我們這個二戰勝利的意義\n我們了解到今天這個總統會發表相關的演說那重新定義我們中華民國在整個二次大戰之中的一個地位尤其要再一次的提醒國際社會那麼在這個中國這塊土地上面領導這個軍民那麼去打贏了這個二次世界大戰是在這個中華民國政府的領導之下那麼中共就好像剛才委員所說的\n中共從那個時候的策略都講得很清楚,最重要是要保存實力,也要跟國民黨在鬥爭,我想這個東西必須要很清楚的做。今天我們注意到習近平在去莫斯科參加二次大戰勝利日的文章也指出了,\n扭曲了這個歷史第一個是說當然是中華民國領導這樣的一個二次世界大戰這個中國地區的人民的軍民的這個反抗第二個很重要的是我們跟理念相近的國家結合一起的取得了這個勝利\n好 謝謝次長 另外就是說最近包含美國的這些參眾議員的這些國會議員都在強調還有包含2758號絕育文的中共的這個錯誤詮釋我覺得已經開始起到效果了 這已經有國際上面慢慢有創造出新的這個共識那過去他們想要用自己的敘事權來扭曲2758號絕育文已經有 已經被我們相當程度的來去破解了\n所以這部分也請次長跟外交部來一起去把2758決定為物用物體來形成全球民主國家要聯手的一個修正錯誤認知的一個趨勢再來最後任性台灣的論述我想次長應該有看到最近的一期的經濟選是在以台灣為封面\n那我要講一件事情就是說當我們講到以色列的時候我們會不會覺得說他怎麼一直都面對著這一個很多的這種周圍國家的挑戰你會覺得他是一個風險很大你就會覺得他是一個很危險的一個地方嗎還是你會覺得以色列是一個有能力面對這些挑戰有能力面對這些風險可以管理這些風險還可以運用自己的科技來去反制這些風險的一個國家\n我想委員說得很正確就是說其實以色列一直被當成是一個在強靈還世的情況之下能夠那麼自詡保持自己自身的獨立那麼能夠面到任何的因應任何的挑戰包括您所說的就是總體的這個國力科技等等的這的確是台灣的模範我們也希望台灣之後會被人家看到那這也是說在這個賴總統的帶領之下\n在這個內容的帶領之下我們要增加韌性台灣要增加國防要能夠全社會韌性這種種的東西我們希望讓人家知道我們是一個能夠堅持我們的國際地位堅持我們的國家主權堅持我們的民主生活方式的一個國家所以說你們要特別是外交部就必須要把這個論述講清楚\n就是說我們不會否認風險的存在但我們不是一個被動等待風險的一個受害者而是一個能夠管理風險然後來去面對風險然後來去可以面對強權的時候還能夠有韌性去定謀的一個力量這個論述外交部要趕快統整好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:28.932\n我們請次長蔡委員早次長好最近我們阿里山它受到國際的矚目我看2025年5月6號國家地理雜誌它選列阿里山為台灣五大秘境那強調我們是雲海啊日出啊還有從日治時代到現在的這個檜木的歷史文化\n\n00:29.352 --> 00:58.311\n他說阿里山是外國旅客除了台北之外最值得造訪的世外桃源那2025年也是今年的1月10號那在紐約時報也有公布2025年最值得去的52個地方那阿里山也是名列第19位那2024年10月那還有專文來介紹阿里山的這個神木的遺跡高山鐵道雲海日出等等那最近這一個這個升鐵那重新請用那包含戴金的總統\n\n00:59.031 --> 01:14.330\n也還有行政院院長都有來嘉義我們一起來促進這些觀光我想請教一下外交部有沒有掌握這些近期的國際這些媒體對阿里山的正面報導有沒有考慮說讓邀請過去也有過2017年\n\n01:18.275 --> 01:33.409\n現在跟過去2017年台灣的在國際的能見度是完全不一樣是增加很高的能見度所以我想請教一下有沒有儘速邀請駐台的時節包含眷屬來阿里山來參訪再一次來擴大辦理呢\n\n01:34.178 --> 01:52.948\n如果我們一定會往這個方向來規劃那麼有的時候這個駐台的使節這個比較容易時間比較在都在這裡那麼另外說我國外的訪兵如果來台訪問那麼我們都會鼓勵他在台灣如果多留一下可以多看看那我們常提到是說這個阿里山的這個\n\n01:55.788 --> 02:22.655\n這個阿里山跟蘭嶼這兩個是一個很好的應該要去訪問的地方那麼還有台南的這個台灣的這個最古老的那種文化傳承阿里山的這個山林之美那麼在這個蘭嶼的這個海洋之美我想這些地方我們都是希望能夠外國訪兵可以多探訪的地方之後我們一定會安排這個駐台的使節去阿里山再去\n\n02:23.775 --> 02:39.800\n能夠去那邊看一看那麼了解台灣的這個很特別的地方配合今年這些重大的這些媒體的這些報導我覺得是可以好好的來去宣傳一波那除了這個之外那阿里山的森林鐵路也是我們台灣\n\n02:41.260 --> 03:02.108\n這個推展世界遺產的一個重要的潛力點那當然是包含文化資產的保存法第11條之一要求政府繼續推動這個我國的世界遺產潛力點還有一些非物質文化遺產的潛力點等等的那我向外交部也來旋力協助好不好因為這個是已經不是我們嘉義我們的選區的這一個重要的一個\n\n03:02.948 --> 03:30.177\n景觀而已他甚至是具備台灣挑戰世界遺產的潛力點那我們這些能做的我們就把它來擴大辦理好不好一定那另外就是我們今天有提到原住民族那包含原住民原民會有邀請駐台使節來參與這個座主年度的大型祭典表示說這些跟其他國家的這些原住民族也有這個交流的可能性所以這部分是不是也跟跨部會一起來協助協調\n\n03:31.377 --> 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