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00:01:11,654\n在高達有八成的民意反對之下仍然要來開放美國含有瘦肉精的肉品進口本黨堅決反對這個瘦肉精是為了增加商業的利益這些添加物根本就不需要存在這個食物裡面更不必要讓民眾直接去承擔健康的一個風險\n\n5\n00:01:26,357 --> 00:01:33,022\n民進黨團再次重生只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸\n\n6\n00:01:46,112 --> 00:02:14,622\n對於所有的作品絕對不能含有瘦肉精的這個立場跟態度我們維持一貫的這個原則我沒有辦法接受這樣的政府為了個人的政治籌碼或是過去的一個政治交易來忽略掉普通的健康使用組這邊不會硬性規定要公佈的進口萊豬的廠商或者是惹象嗎根據食安法的規定其實不合格的也是要公佈你合格的公佈那大致上合格的我們就公佈\n\n7\n00:02:15,762 --> 00:02:17,875\n好署長剛剛那些人你都認識啦\n\n8\n00:02:20,053 --> 00:02:49,057\n這幾位有些還在立法院,這些人有跟你抗議過嗎?郭委員你說吃一輩子都不會吃屎的這個說法當初民進黨的檢驗標準是零檢出那影片裡面就有兩位好像馬上要競爭台南市長的委員當時的賴清德市長以捍衛食安的決心以前他捍衛食安的決心是非常非常堅定的\n\n9\n00:02:50,424 --> 00:03:14,516\n那現在想要當賴清德接班的這兩個遊客有沒有跟你表示跟委員這邊做報告剛才那個是在美牛的時代美牛時代世界Codex還沒有訂出標準所以我覺得當時還沒有那麼清楚的情況下有這樣子的一個論述我都保有尊重98年我們12月9號賴清德當時的立委要求國民黨\n\n10\n00:03:15,476 --> 00:03:35,166\n主動順應民意禁止毒牛進口在當天民進黨團為了美牛修法也包圍了我們立法院的主席台101年2月9號賴清德市長說執政者不能棄守國人健康那101年2月16賴清德市長就說他在台南市率先執行\n\n11\n00:03:37,207 --> 00:03:51,266\n禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛的政策他說即使是美國也要尊重我們台灣的國情勒印要用萊克多巴胺就是不尊重台灣的老百姓你還記得他講的這些話嗎\n\n12\n00:03:53,452 --> 00:04:17,323\n報告委員我想當時的時空背景世界還沒有標準標準都一樣了嘛標準那時候還沒有定Codex還沒有定標準所以在那樣時空背景如果配合我的課程的課去上完之後對於到現在已經經過十幾年會有新的一個體會跟體驗我們耐心的總統當時還嗆我們的總統說他說如果為了要當總統然後犧牲人民的權益那不如不要當啊\n\n13\n00:04:18,393 --> 00:04:44,824\n對不對那我們現在總統有告訴你驗出這個這個來這個來劑他接受嗎我想他有告訴你嗎在萊克多巴胺被開放了一個是在前馬英九前總統的牛肉的開放目前有兩千四百九十三批也有驗到微量其中六批有超標我們把它退運了銷毀豬肉的部分呢從驗了之後有三批那是在一百一十年蔡總統的時候開放蔡總統也講過政府做不來就下台嘛\n\n14\n00:04:48,394 --> 00:05:16,208\n對他的標準你認為你要不要下台對於現在因為我們國家法令上面已經訂定說萊克多巴胺可以在豬肉牛肉裡面有參與的標準有這個標準如果標準超標的我們會退役如果沒有消費的話就就應該在記者上的回應我想請問一下就我們對食安法的認知這食安法立法的精神他是保護消費者還是廠商還是未來拿來當談判的籌碼\n\n15\n00:05:18,329 --> 00:05:46,008\n郭委員是以全民的國家至上全民優先的食品安全的食安優先的想法那人民現在會恐慌你知道嗎剛剛都很多人在講這件事情他的原因就是不確定性跟這個未知性他知道我們應該讓他剛剛我們玉敏委員有講到我們要讓人民他有選擇的權利所以我認為你們說這個一直到現在都不願意公佈流向這個原因是什麼\n\n16\n00:05:47,554 --> 00:06:04,241\n報告委員因為我們現在面對的是檢驗進來是合格的廠商規定是經過我們大院以及行政部門裡面訂定的他們沒有違規的情形之下他現在驗出來沒有違規嗎他沒有違規他是檢出違規是0.01ppm以上你在記者會上說如果都要公佈就公佈不完現在驗出只有3p不是嗎\n\n17\n00:06:15,656 --> 00:06:41,432\n對因為還有牛的牛會有兩千多匹我想說對於合格的廠商我們豬肉可以在我們那個那個豬肉魚錶板上看到嘛那牛要在哪裡看對因為牛沒有牛肉魚錶板因為當初的背景上面沒有特別其實如果沒有豬肉魚錶板你們網站上說牛肉跟那個牛雜碎驗出兩千四百九十三匹退了六匹嘛對不對六匹銷毀跟退回嘛\n\n18\n00:06:44,033 --> 00:06:45,882\n那這個部分我們民眾要去哪裡看啊\n\n19\n00:06:47,560 --> 00:07:16,018\n這個部分其實是在我們的行政上面的因為沒有顯示出來它違規的其實我們就是審查你們四五月這個抽批這個率是多少你說我們現在抽批要邊境因為我們是用人工智慧的所謂人工智慧導入的實案預測抽檢我們希望是精準檢驗所以2%到10%原則上到底是幾%對它符合在標準的範圍我們抽批大概是在10%以下\n\n20\n00:07:17,324 --> 00:07:38,303\n對那我記得剛剛也講到去年蘇丹紅事件我們本來也是2到10後來也改到百分之百嘛對跟我有報告那個是怎麼後來怎麼調的它是因為它是違規的蘇丹紅是不得檢出是違規的我們就打XX了如果它是合規的我們其實是打圈就放心我們耐心的總統標準是零檢出\n\n21\n00:07:39,424 --> 00:08:00,602\n那個在石東的背景底下,對於萊克多灣還沒有定所以經過這麼多年,我會請有相應的代表同事來交流你的專業,我們當然是尊重,可是我們一直認為說,你應該要把這個產地或者是它裡面的一些規範,就是它的產地的一些數字,要把它標示清楚\n\n22\n00:08:03,165 --> 00:08:12,413\n我們現在針對所有的豬肉不管國內國外我們都一體適用都有標示的在這邊跟委員做進一步的說明\n\n23\n00:08:13,328 --> 00:08:41,646\n有標示產地嗎?原料的原產地一體試用國內國外的其實都有都有標示的好那我在想啦因為現在查出這樣的一個問題我希望我們原來的機制就是說當我們的抽檢率它突然抽到非常多的時候我們的那些這個抽檢率就要繼續提高因為你剛剛講的你只抽10%那另外90%你沒抽嘛\n\n24\n00:08:42,507 --> 00:08:56,441\n報告委員因為這一次的總共3批其實在澳洲是同一個製造廠所以其實是一個所以我們雖然說他合格我們眼睛有偷偷增大增量那你剛剛有沒有打算去看看像這樣驗出來的這個產地那我們以後還會讓他進來嗎\n\n25\n00:09:02,827 --> 00:09:29,662\n因為進口澳洲的廠商要進口選擇其實是來自於進口貿易商進口貿易商我們其實非常尊重他們我們設的標準之後按照這標準來做管理如果他們送來的東西都是常常出現問題的時候是不是我們應該剛剛我們幾個委員有講到要去茶廠看一下但關於這個茶廠部分剛才特別提到那是在農委會的時代\n\n26\n00:09:31,736 --> 00:09:53,291\n豬肉澳洲豬肉就已經是進來了那基於性耐保護原則我們沒有再進一步的查查而且對豬肉廠在澳洲呢它是牛肉豬肉羊肉鹿肉是一起的那個部分其實我們去查過查所以對於豬的部分其實查是同樣的我們現在如果有驗出來的我們有驗出來的話我們可不可以標示嗎\n\n27\n00:09:54,873 --> 00:10:21,013\n呃我們剛才提到的其實所有的你可以標示嗎所有的我們都當作是一體適用的產地的都會做標示不是我是說有驗出這個萊克多萊基的這個萊克多瓦安的這個肉品我想喔以我我是行政的協助國安保安使安的過程當中如果我設了一個標準它是合格的不管啦然後我把標示出來你只要驗出來它有法源的依據那你就標示進去嘛\n\n28\n00:10:21,773 --> 00:10:49,661\n我們國人要不要吃他的權利啊我想跟委員報告一下因為如果在這個前提之下那我只要驗到草莓有什麼農藥的我就要標示草莓農藥可是它是合格的那其實國人看到更害怕更瘋狂怎麼會有農藥殘餘其實它會有殘餘其實是我們可以理解但是在我們的食品安全風險分析向下想盡辦法訂出一個殘留的標準這個殘留標準按照定義\n\n29\n00:10:50,701 --> 00:11:03,018\n劑量會決定毒性因為這個劑量因為現在大家聽到這個萊劑吼有含驗萊劑的肉品大家都恐慌啦吼那所以你們是要告訴大家這個萊劑是可以吃的我先委員報告一下\n\n30\n00:11:07,216 --> 00:11:32,228\n大家的恐慌很大一部分是對我在食品安全風險分析這種安全性上面的支持我希望以我的多年來的專業能夠把我的安全轉換成對民眾的安心我一定是以食安優先以人民的優先國家至上的原則來去希望我們站在維護國人這個食安的這個立場我希望我們大家來可以討論我覺得這個部分應該是可以討論希望大家來\n\n31\n00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:40,832\n研擬一套辦法讓我們的國人能夠安心那我再請部長一下部長請問一下關於外國學歷認證修法的問題你們認為變嚴格但是一屆一些團體認為你們是在放水那我覺得是不是我們來安排一場跟衛福部跟團體我們直接坐下來溝通你贊成嗎沒有問題可以啦我上任以來最\n\n32\n00:12:05,983 --> 00:12:21,070\n溝通最長的時間就是跟那個團體我想EOS家的媒體在旁邊直接播給全國播到最後媒體都一直撤了因為已經太累了這樣子那如果我們安排的話至少有五部派代表好不好\n\n33\n00:12:22,070 --> 00:12:35,001\n我們非常樂意來互動而且已經解釋過很多次了如果還有擔心我們不能讓這些年輕的醫師擔心而且會有誤傳這樣也不好啦我們非常願意謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7452\t19027\t好 謝謝主席 我們請江署長很驕傲的署長剛剛講很驕傲嘛\n24109\t47915\t蘇長好報告委員謝謝委員我覺得今天食藥署該檢討的不是只有澳洲豬腳的檢驗驗出萊克多巴胺的這件事情我們應該是要檢討整個我們的食安把關的一個原則你身為這個食品安全守門人但是在萊豬擴關成功的時候你在記者會講的話\n49955\t57290\t讓人很錯愕啦因為你的回應一直在這個穿越時空在打民進黨的臉我們先看一下影片好了\n60271\t71654\t在高達有八成的民意反對之下仍然要來開放美國含有瘦肉精的肉品進口本黨堅決反對這個瘦肉精是為了增加商業的利益這些添加物根本就不需要存在這個食物裡面更不必要讓民眾直接去承擔健康的一個風險\n86357\t93022\t民進黨團再次重生只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸\n106112\t134622\t對於所有的作品絕對不能含有瘦肉精的這個立場跟態度我們維持一貫的這個原則我沒有辦法接受這樣的政府為了個人的政治籌碼或是過去的一個政治交易來忽略掉普通的健康使用組這邊不會硬性規定要公佈的進口萊豬的廠商或者是惹象嗎根據食安法的規定其實不合格的也是要公佈你合格的公佈那大致上合格的我們就公佈\n135762\t137875\t好 署長 剛剛那些人你都認識啦\n140053\t169057\t這幾位有些還在立法院,這些人有跟你抗議過嗎?郭委員你說吃一輩子都不會吃屎的這個說法當初民進黨的檢驗標準是零檢出那影片裡面就有兩位好像馬上要競爭台南市長的委員當時的賴清德市長以捍衛食安的決心以前他捍衛食安的決心是非常非常堅定的\n170424\t194516\t那現在想要當賴清德接班的這兩個遊客有沒有跟你表示跟委員這邊做報告剛才那個是在美牛的時代美牛時代世界Codex還沒有訂出標準所以我覺得當時還沒有那麼清楚的情況下有這樣子的一個論述我都保有尊重98年我們12月9號賴清德當時的立委要求國民黨\n195476\t215166\t主動順應民意禁止毒牛進口在當天民進黨團為了美牛修法也包圍了我們立法院的主席台101年2月9號賴清德市長說執政者不能棄守國人健康那101年2月16賴清德市長就說他在台南市率先執行\n217207\t231266\t禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛的政策他說即使是美國也要尊重我們台灣的國情勒印要用萊克多巴胺就是不尊重台灣的老百姓你還記得他講的這些話嗎\n233452\t257323\t報告委員 我想當時的時空背景世界還沒有標準標準都一樣了嘛標準那時候還沒有定Codex還沒有定標準所以在那樣時空背景如果配合我的課程的課去上完之後對於到現在已經經過十幾年會有新的一個體會跟體驗我們耐心的總統當時還嗆我們的總統說他說如果為了要當總統然後犧牲人民的權益那不如不要當啊\n258393\t284824\t對不對那我們現在總統有告訴你驗出這個這個來這個來劑他接受嗎我想他有告訴你嗎在萊克多巴胺被開放了一個是在前馬英九前總統的牛肉的開放目前有兩千四百九十三批也有驗到微量其中六批有超標我們把它退運了銷毀豬肉的部分呢從驗了之後有三批那是在一百一十年蔡總統的時候開放蔡總統也講過政府做不來就下台嘛\n288394\t316208\t對他的標準你認為你要不要下台對於現在因為我們國家法令上面已經訂定說萊克多巴胺可以在豬肉牛肉裡面有參與的標準有這個標準如果標準超標的我們會退役如果沒有消費的話就就應該在記者上的回應我想請問一下就我們對食安法的認知這食安法立法的精神他是保護消費者還是廠商還是未來拿來當談判的籌碼\n318329\t346008\t郭委員是以全民的 國家至上全民優先的 食品安全的 食安優先的想法那人民現在會恐慌 你知道嗎剛剛都很多人在講這件事情他的原因就是不確定性跟這個未知性他知道我們應該讓他 剛剛我們玉敏委員有講到我們要讓人民他有選擇的權利所以我認為你們說這個一直到現在都不願意公佈流向這個原因是什麼\n347554\t364241\t報告委員因為我們現在面對的是檢驗進來是合格的廠商規定是經過我們大院以及行政部門裡面訂定的他們沒有違規的情形之下他現在驗出來沒有違規嗎他沒有違規他是檢出違規是0.01ppm以上你在記者會上說如果都要公佈就公佈不完現在驗出只有3p不是嗎\n375656\t401432\t對 因為還有牛的牛會有兩千多匹我想說對於合格的廠商我們豬肉可以在我們那個那個豬肉魚錶板上看到嘛那牛要在哪裡看對 因為牛沒有牛肉魚錶板因為當初的背景上面沒有特別其實如果沒有豬肉魚錶板你們網站上說牛肉跟那個牛雜碎驗出兩千四百九十三匹退了六匹嘛 對不對六匹 銷毀跟退回嘛\n404033\t405882\t那這個部分我們民眾要去哪裡看啊\n407560\t436018\t這個部分其實是在我們的行政上面的因為沒有顯示出來它違規的其實我們就是審查你們四五月這個抽批這個率是多少你說我們現在抽批要邊境因為我們是用人工智慧的所謂人工智慧導入的實案預測抽檢我們希望是精準檢驗所以2%到10%原則上到底是幾%對它符合在標準的範圍我們抽批大概是在10%以下\n437324\t458303\t對 那我記得剛剛也講到去年蘇丹紅事件我們本來也是2到10後來也改到百分之百嘛對 跟我有報告那個是怎麼後來怎麼調的它是因為它是違規的蘇丹紅是不得檢出是違規的我們就打XX了如果它是合規的我們其實是打圈就放心我們耐心的總統標準是零檢出\n459424\t480602\t那個在石東的背景底下,對於萊克多灣還沒有定所以經過這麼多年,我會請有相應的代表同事來交流你的專業,我們當然是尊重,可是我們一直認為說,你應該要把這個產地或者是它裡面的一些規範,就是它的產地的一些數字,要把它標示清楚\n483165\t492413\t我們現在針對所有的豬肉不管國內國外我們都一體適用都有標示的在這邊跟委員做進一步的說明\n493328\t521646\t有標示產地嗎?原料的原產地一體試用國內國外的其實都有都有標示的好那我在想啦因為現在查出這樣的一個問題我希望我們原來的機制就是說當我們的抽檢率它突然抽到非常多的時候我們的那些這個抽檢率就要繼續提高因為你剛剛講的你只抽10%那另外90%你沒抽嘛\n522507\t536441\t報告委員因為這一次的總共3批其實在澳洲是同一個製造廠所以其實是一個所以我們雖然說他合格我們眼睛有偷偷增大增量那你剛剛有沒有打算去看看像這樣驗出來的這個產地那我們以後還會讓他進來嗎\n542827\t569662\t因為進口澳洲的廠商要進口選擇其實是來自於進口貿易商進口貿易商我們其實非常尊重他們我們設的標準之後按照這標準來做管理如果他們送來的東西都是常常出現問題的時候是不是我們應該剛剛我們幾個委員有講到要去茶廠看一下但關於這個茶廠部分剛才特別提到那是在農委會的時代\n571736\t593291\t豬肉 澳洲豬肉就已經是進來了那基於性耐保護原則我們沒有再進一步的查查而且對豬肉廠在澳洲呢它是牛肉 豬肉 羊肉 鹿肉是一起的那個部分其實我們去查過查所以對於豬的部分其實查是同樣的我們現在如果有驗出來的我們有驗出來的話我們可不可以標示嗎\n594873\t621013\t呃 我們剛才提到的其實所有的你可以標示嗎所有的我們都當作是一體適用的產地的都會做標示不是 我是說有驗出這個萊克多萊基的這個萊克多瓦安的這個肉品我想喔 以我我是行政的協助國安保安使安的過程當中如果我設了一個標準它是合格的不管啦 然後我把標示出來你只要驗出來它有法源的依據那你就標示進去嘛\n621773\t649661\t我們國人要不要吃他的權利啊我想跟委員報告一下因為如果在這個前提之下那我只要驗到草莓有什麼農藥的我就要標示草莓農藥可是它是合格的那其實國人看到更害怕更瘋狂怎麼會有農藥殘餘其實它會有殘餘其實是我們可以理解但是在我們的食品安全風險分析向下想盡辦法訂出一個殘留的標準這個殘留標準按照定義\n650701\t663018\t劑量會決定毒性因為這個劑量因為現在大家聽到這個萊劑吼有含驗萊劑的肉品大家都恐慌啦吼那所以你們是要告訴大家這個萊劑是可以吃的我先委員報告一下\n667216\t692228\t大家的恐慌很大一部分是對我在食品安全風險分析這種安全性上面的支持我希望以我的多年來的專業能夠把我的安全轉換成對民眾的安心我一定是以食安優先以人民的優先國家至上的原則來去希望我們站在維護國人這個食安的這個立場我希望我們大家來可以討論我覺得這個部分應該是可以討論希望大家來\n696730\t700832\t研擬一套辦法讓我們的國人能夠安心那我再請部長一下部長請問一下關於外國學歷認證修法的問題你們認為變嚴格但是一屆一些團體認為你們是在放水那我覺得是不是我們來安排一場跟衛福部跟團體我們直接坐下來溝通你贊成嗎沒有問題可以啦我上任以來最\n725983\t741070\t溝通最長的時間就是跟那個團體我想EOS家的媒體在旁邊直接播給全國播到最後媒體都一直撤了因為已經太累了這樣子那如果我們安排的話至少有五部派代表好不好\n742070\t755001\t我們非常樂意來互動而且已經解釋過很多次了如果還有擔心我們不能讓這些年輕的醫師擔心而且會有誤傳這樣也不好啦我們非常願意謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請江署長很驕傲的署長剛剛講很驕傲嘛\n蘇長好報告委員謝謝委員我覺得今天食藥署該檢討的不是只有澳洲豬腳的檢驗驗出萊克多巴胺的這件事情我們應該是要檢討整個我們的食安把關的一個原則你身為這個食品安全守門人但是在萊豬擴關成功的時候你在記者會講的話\n讓人很錯愕啦因為你的回應一直在這個穿越時空在打民進黨的臉我們先看一下影片好了\n在高達有八成的民意反對之下仍然要來開放美國含有瘦肉精的肉品進口本黨堅決反對這個瘦肉精是為了增加商業的利益這些添加物根本就不需要存在這個食物裡面更不必要讓民眾直接去承擔健康的一個風險\n民進黨團再次重生只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸\n對於所有的作品絕對不能含有瘦肉精的這個立場跟態度我們維持一貫的這個原則我沒有辦法接受這樣的政府為了個人的政治籌碼或是過去的一個政治交易來忽略掉普通的健康使用組這邊不會硬性規定要公佈的進口萊豬的廠商或者是惹象嗎根據食安法的規定其實不合格的也是要公佈你合格的公佈那大致上合格的我們就公佈\n好 署長 剛剛那些人你都認識啦\n這幾位有些還在立法院,這些人有跟你抗議過嗎?郭委員你說吃一輩子都不會吃屎的這個說法當初民進黨的檢驗標準是零檢出那影片裡面就有兩位好像馬上要競爭台南市長的委員當時的賴清德市長以捍衛食安的決心以前他捍衛食安的決心是非常非常堅定的\n那現在想要當賴清德接班的這兩個遊客有沒有跟你表示跟委員這邊做報告剛才那個是在美牛的時代美牛時代世界Codex還沒有訂出標準所以我覺得當時還沒有那麼清楚的情況下有這樣子的一個論述我都保有尊重98年我們12月9號賴清德當時的立委要求國民黨\n主動順應民意禁止毒牛進口在當天民進黨團為了美牛修法也包圍了我們立法院的主席台101年2月9號賴清德市長說執政者不能棄守國人健康那101年2月16賴清德市長就說他在台南市率先執行\n禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛的政策他說即使是美國也要尊重我們台灣的國情勒印要用萊克多巴胺就是不尊重台灣的老百姓你還記得他講的這些話嗎\n報告委員 我想當時的時空背景世界還沒有標準標準都一樣了嘛標準那時候還沒有定Codex還沒有定標準所以在那樣時空背景如果配合我的課程的課去上完之後對於到現在已經經過十幾年會有新的一個體會跟體驗我們耐心的總統當時還嗆我們的總統說他說如果為了要當總統然後犧牲人民的權益那不如不要當啊\n對不對那我們現在總統有告訴你驗出這個這個來這個來劑他接受嗎我想他有告訴你嗎在萊克多巴胺被開放了一個是在前馬英九前總統的牛肉的開放目前有兩千四百九十三批也有驗到微量其中六批有超標我們把它退運了銷毀豬肉的部分呢從驗了之後有三批那是在一百一十年蔡總統的時候開放蔡總統也講過政府做不來就下台嘛\n對他的標準你認為你要不要下台對於現在因為我們國家法令上面已經訂定說萊克多巴胺可以在豬肉牛肉裡面有參與的標準有這個標準如果標準超標的我們會退役如果沒有消費的話就就應該在記者上的回應我想請問一下就我們對食安法的認知這食安法立法的精神他是保護消費者還是廠商還是未來拿來當談判的籌碼\n郭委員是以全民的 國家至上全民優先的 食品安全的 食安優先的想法那人民現在會恐慌 你知道嗎剛剛都很多人在講這件事情他的原因就是不確定性跟這個未知性他知道我們應該讓他 剛剛我們玉敏委員有講到我們要讓人民他有選擇的權利所以我認為你們說這個一直到現在都不願意公佈流向這個原因是什麼\n報告委員因為我們現在面對的是檢驗進來是合格的廠商規定是經過我們大院以及行政部門裡面訂定的他們沒有違規的情形之下他現在驗出來沒有違規嗎他沒有違規他是檢出違規是0.01ppm以上你在記者會上說如果都要公佈就公佈不完現在驗出只有3p不是嗎\n對 因為還有牛的牛會有兩千多匹我想說對於合格的廠商我們豬肉可以在我們那個那個豬肉魚錶板上看到嘛那牛要在哪裡看對 因為牛沒有牛肉魚錶板因為當初的背景上面沒有特別其實如果沒有豬肉魚錶板你們網站上說牛肉跟那個牛雜碎驗出兩千四百九十三匹退了六匹嘛 對不對六匹 銷毀跟退回嘛\n那這個部分我們民眾要去哪裡看啊\n這個部分其實是在我們的行政上面的因為沒有顯示出來它違規的其實我們就是審查你們四五月這個抽批這個率是多少你說我們現在抽批要邊境因為我們是用人工智慧的所謂人工智慧導入的實案預測抽檢我們希望是精準檢驗所以2%到10%原則上到底是幾%對它符合在標準的範圍我們抽批大概是在10%以下\n對 那我記得剛剛也講到去年蘇丹紅事件我們本來也是2到10後來也改到百分之百嘛對 跟我有報告那個是怎麼後來怎麼調的它是因為它是違規的蘇丹紅是不得檢出是違規的我們就打XX了如果它是合規的我們其實是打圈就放心我們耐心的總統標準是零檢出\n那個在石東的背景底下,對於萊克多灣還沒有定所以經過這麼多年,我會請有相應的代表同事來交流你的專業,我們當然是尊重,可是我們一直認為說,你應該要把這個產地或者是它裡面的一些規範,就是它的產地的一些數字,要把它標示清楚\n我們現在針對所有的豬肉不管國內國外我們都一體適用都有標示的在這邊跟委員做進一步的說明\n有標示產地嗎?原料的原產地一體試用國內國外的其實都有都有標示的好那我在想啦因為現在查出這樣的一個問題我希望我們原來的機制就是說當我們的抽檢率它突然抽到非常多的時候我們的那些這個抽檢率就要繼續提高因為你剛剛講的你只抽10%那另外90%你沒抽嘛\n報告委員因為這一次的總共3批其實在澳洲是同一個製造廠所以其實是一個所以我們雖然說他合格我們眼睛有偷偷增大增量那你剛剛有沒有打算去看看像這樣驗出來的這個產地那我們以後還會讓他進來嗎\n因為進口澳洲的廠商要進口選擇其實是來自於進口貿易商進口貿易商我們其實非常尊重他們我們設的標準之後按照這標準來做管理如果他們送來的東西都是常常出現問題的時候是不是我們應該剛剛我們幾個委員有講到要去茶廠看一下但關於這個茶廠部分剛才特別提到那是在農委會的時代\n豬肉 澳洲豬肉就已經是進來了那基於性耐保護原則我們沒有再進一步的查查而且對豬肉廠在澳洲呢它是牛肉 豬肉 羊肉 鹿肉是一起的那個部分其實我們去查過查所以對於豬的部分其實查是同樣的我們現在如果有驗出來的我們有驗出來的話我們可不可以標示嗎\n呃 我們剛才提到的其實所有的你可以標示嗎所有的我們都當作是一體適用的產地的都會做標示不是 我是說有驗出這個萊克多萊基的這個萊克多瓦安的這個肉品我想喔 以我我是行政的協助國安保安使安的過程當中如果我設了一個標準它是合格的不管啦 然後我把標示出來你只要驗出來它有法源的依據那你就標示進去嘛\n我們國人要不要吃他的權利啊我想跟委員報告一下因為如果在這個前提之下那我只要驗到草莓有什麼農藥的我就要標示草莓農藥可是它是合格的那其實國人看到更害怕更瘋狂怎麼會有農藥殘餘其實它會有殘餘其實是我們可以理解但是在我們的食品安全風險分析向下想盡辦法訂出一個殘留的標準這個殘留標準按照定義\n劑量會決定毒性因為這個劑量因為現在大家聽到這個萊劑吼有含驗萊劑的肉品大家都恐慌啦吼那所以你們是要告訴大家這個萊劑是可以吃的我先委員報告一下\n大家的恐慌很大一部分是對我在食品安全風險分析這種安全性上面的支持我希望以我的多年來的專業能夠把我的安全轉換成對民眾的安心我一定是以食安優先以人民的優先國家至上的原則來去希望我們站在維護國人這個食安的這個立場我希望我們大家來可以討論我覺得這個部分應該是可以討論希望大家來\n研擬一套辦法讓我們的國人能夠安心那我再請部長一下部長請問一下關於外國學歷認證修法的問題你們認為變嚴格但是一屆一些團體認為你們是在放水那我覺得是不是我們來安排一場跟衛福部跟團體我們直接坐下來溝通你贊成嗎沒有問題可以啦我上任以來最\n溝通最長的時間就是跟那個團體我想EOS家的媒體在旁邊直接播給全國播到最後媒體都一直撤了因為已經太累了這樣子那如果我們安排的話至少有五部派代表好不好\n我們非常樂意來互動而且已經解釋過很多次了如果還有擔心我們不能讓這些年輕的醫師擔心而且會有誤傳這樣也不好啦我們非常願意謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.452 --> 00:19.027\n好謝謝主席我們請江署長很驕傲的署長剛剛講很驕傲嘛\n\n00:24.109 --> 00:47.915\n蘇長好報告委員謝謝委員我覺得今天食藥署該檢討的不是只有澳洲豬腳的檢驗驗出萊克多巴胺的這件事情我們應該是要檢討整個我們的食安把關的一個原則你身為這個食品安全守門人但是在萊豬擴關成功的時候你在記者會講的話\n\n00:49.955 --> 00:57.290\n讓人很錯愕啦因為你的回應一直在這個穿越時空在打民進黨的臉我們先看一下影片好了\n\n01:00.271 --> 01:11.654\n在高達有八成的民意反對之下仍然要來開放美國含有瘦肉精的肉品進口本黨堅決反對這個瘦肉精是為了增加商業的利益這些添加物根本就不需要存在這個食物裡面更不必要讓民眾直接去承擔健康的一個風險\n\n01:26.357 --> 01:33.022\n民進黨團再次重生只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸瘦肉精只有零減輸\n\n01:46.112 --> 02:14.622\n對於所有的作品絕對不能含有瘦肉精的這個立場跟態度我們維持一貫的這個原則我沒有辦法接受這樣的政府為了個人的政治籌碼或是過去的一個政治交易來忽略掉普通的健康使用組這邊不會硬性規定要公佈的進口萊豬的廠商或者是惹象嗎根據食安法的規定其實不合格的也是要公佈你合格的公佈那大致上合格的我們就公佈\n\n02:15.762 --> 02:17.875\n好署長剛剛那些人你都認識啦\n\n02:20.053 --> 02:49.057\n這幾位有些還在立法院,這些人有跟你抗議過嗎?郭委員你說吃一輩子都不會吃屎的這個說法當初民進黨的檢驗標準是零檢出那影片裡面就有兩位好像馬上要競爭台南市長的委員當時的賴清德市長以捍衛食安的決心以前他捍衛食安的決心是非常非常堅定的\n\n02:50.424 --> 03:14.516\n那現在想要當賴清德接班的這兩個遊客有沒有跟你表示跟委員這邊做報告剛才那個是在美牛的時代美牛時代世界Codex還沒有訂出標準所以我覺得當時還沒有那麼清楚的情況下有這樣子的一個論述我都保有尊重98年我們12月9號賴清德當時的立委要求國民黨\n\n03:15.476 --> 03:35.166\n主動順應民意禁止毒牛進口在當天民進黨團為了美牛修法也包圍了我們立法院的主席台101年2月9號賴清德市長說執政者不能棄守國人健康那101年2月16賴清德市長就說他在台南市率先執行\n\n03:37.207 --> 03:51.266\n禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛的政策他說即使是美國也要尊重我們台灣的國情勒印要用萊克多巴胺就是不尊重台灣的老百姓你還記得他講的這些話嗎\n\n03:53.452 --> 04:17.323\n報告委員我想當時的時空背景世界還沒有標準標準都一樣了嘛標準那時候還沒有定Codex還沒有定標準所以在那樣時空背景如果配合我的課程的課去上完之後對於到現在已經經過十幾年會有新的一個體會跟體驗我們耐心的總統當時還嗆我們的總統說他說如果為了要當總統然後犧牲人民的權益那不如不要當啊\n\n04:18.393 --> 04:44.824\n對不對那我們現在總統有告訴你驗出這個這個來這個來劑他接受嗎我想他有告訴你嗎在萊克多巴胺被開放了一個是在前馬英九前總統的牛肉的開放目前有兩千四百九十三批也有驗到微量其中六批有超標我們把它退運了銷毀豬肉的部分呢從驗了之後有三批那是在一百一十年蔡總統的時候開放蔡總統也講過政府做不來就下台嘛\n\n04:48.394 --> 05:16.208\n對他的標準你認為你要不要下台對於現在因為我們國家法令上面已經訂定說萊克多巴胺可以在豬肉牛肉裡面有參與的標準有這個標準如果標準超標的我們會退役如果沒有消費的話就就應該在記者上的回應我想請問一下就我們對食安法的認知這食安法立法的精神他是保護消費者還是廠商還是未來拿來當談判的籌碼\n\n05:18.329 --> 05:46.008\n郭委員是以全民的國家至上全民優先的食品安全的食安優先的想法那人民現在會恐慌你知道嗎剛剛都很多人在講這件事情他的原因就是不確定性跟這個未知性他知道我們應該讓他剛剛我們玉敏委員有講到我們要讓人民他有選擇的權利所以我認為你們說這個一直到現在都不願意公佈流向這個原因是什麼\n\n05:47.554 --> 06:04.241\n報告委員因為我們現在面對的是檢驗進來是合格的廠商規定是經過我們大院以及行政部門裡面訂定的他們沒有違規的情形之下他現在驗出來沒有違規嗎他沒有違規他是檢出違規是0.01ppm以上你在記者會上說如果都要公佈就公佈不完現在驗出只有3p不是嗎\n\n06:15.656 --> 06:41.432\n對因為還有牛的牛會有兩千多匹我想說對於合格的廠商我們豬肉可以在我們那個那個豬肉魚錶板上看到嘛那牛要在哪裡看對因為牛沒有牛肉魚錶板因為當初的背景上面沒有特別其實如果沒有豬肉魚錶板你們網站上說牛肉跟那個牛雜碎驗出兩千四百九十三匹退了六匹嘛對不對六匹銷毀跟退回嘛\n\n06:44.033 --> 06:45.882\n那這個部分我們民眾要去哪裡看啊\n\n06:47.560 --> 07:16.018\n這個部分其實是在我們的行政上面的因為沒有顯示出來它違規的其實我們就是審查你們四五月這個抽批這個率是多少你說我們現在抽批要邊境因為我們是用人工智慧的所謂人工智慧導入的實案預測抽檢我們希望是精準檢驗所以2%到10%原則上到底是幾%對它符合在標準的範圍我們抽批大概是在10%以下\n\n07:17.324 --> 07:38.303\n對那我記得剛剛也講到去年蘇丹紅事件我們本來也是2到10後來也改到百分之百嘛對跟我有報告那個是怎麼後來怎麼調的它是因為它是違規的蘇丹紅是不得檢出是違規的我們就打XX了如果它是合規的我們其實是打圈就放心我們耐心的總統標準是零檢出\n\n07:39.424 --> 08:00.602\n那個在石東的背景底下,對於萊克多灣還沒有定所以經過這麼多年,我會請有相應的代表同事來交流你的專業,我們當然是尊重,可是我們一直認為說,你應該要把這個產地或者是它裡面的一些規範,就是它的產地的一些數字,要把它標示清楚\n\n08:03.165 --> 08:12.413\n我們現在針對所有的豬肉不管國內國外我們都一體適用都有標示的在這邊跟委員做進一步的說明\n\n08:13.328 --> 08:41.646\n有標示產地嗎?原料的原產地一體試用國內國外的其實都有都有標示的好那我在想啦因為現在查出這樣的一個問題我希望我們原來的機制就是說當我們的抽檢率它突然抽到非常多的時候我們的那些這個抽檢率就要繼續提高因為你剛剛講的你只抽10%那另外90%你沒抽嘛\n\n08:42.507 --> 08:56.441\n報告委員因為這一次的總共3批其實在澳洲是同一個製造廠所以其實是一個所以我們雖然說他合格我們眼睛有偷偷增大增量那你剛剛有沒有打算去看看像這樣驗出來的這個產地那我們以後還會讓他進來嗎\n\n09:02.827 --> 09:29.662\n因為進口澳洲的廠商要進口選擇其實是來自於進口貿易商進口貿易商我們其實非常尊重他們我們設的標準之後按照這標準來做管理如果他們送來的東西都是常常出現問題的時候是不是我們應該剛剛我們幾個委員有講到要去茶廠看一下但關於這個茶廠部分剛才特別提到那是在農委會的時代\n\n09:31.736 --> 09:53.291\n豬肉澳洲豬肉就已經是進來了那基於性耐保護原則我們沒有再進一步的查查而且對豬肉廠在澳洲呢它是牛肉豬肉羊肉鹿肉是一起的那個部分其實我們去查過查所以對於豬的部分其實查是同樣的我們現在如果有驗出來的我們有驗出來的話我們可不可以標示嗎\n\n09:54.873 --> 10:21.013\n呃我們剛才提到的其實所有的你可以標示嗎所有的我們都當作是一體適用的產地的都會做標示不是我是說有驗出這個萊克多萊基的這個萊克多瓦安的這個肉品我想喔以我我是行政的協助國安保安使安的過程當中如果我設了一個標準它是合格的不管啦然後我把標示出來你只要驗出來它有法源的依據那你就標示進去嘛\n\n10:21.773 --> 10:49.661\n我們國人要不要吃他的權利啊我想跟委員報告一下因為如果在這個前提之下那我只要驗到草莓有什麼農藥的我就要標示草莓農藥可是它是合格的那其實國人看到更害怕更瘋狂怎麼會有農藥殘餘其實它會有殘餘其實是我們可以理解但是在我們的食品安全風險分析向下想盡辦法訂出一個殘留的標準這個殘留標準按照定義\n\n10:50.701 --> 11:03.018\n劑量會決定毒性因為這個劑量因為現在大家聽到這個萊劑吼有含驗萊劑的肉品大家都恐慌啦吼那所以你們是要告訴大家這個萊劑是可以吃的我先委員報告一下\n\n11:07.216 --> 11:32.228\n大家的恐慌很大一部分是對我在食品安全風險分析這種安全性上面的支持我希望以我的多年來的專業能夠把我的安全轉換成對民眾的安心我一定是以食安優先以人民的優先國家至上的原則來去希望我們站在維護國人這個食安的這個立場我希望我們大家來可以討論我覺得這個部分應該是可以討論希望大家來\n\n11:36.730 --> 11:40.832\n研擬一套辦法讓我們的國人能夠安心那我再請部長一下部長請問一下關於外國學歷認證修法的問題你們認為變嚴格但是一屆一些團體認為你們是在放水那我覺得是不是我們來安排一場跟衛福部跟團體我們直接坐下來溝通你贊成嗎沒有問題可以啦我上任以來最\n\n12:05.983 --> 12:21.070\n溝通最長的時間就是跟那個團體我想EOS家的媒體在旁邊直接播給全國播到最後媒體都一直撤了因為已經太累了這樣子那如果我們安排的話至少有五部派代表好不好\n\n12:22.070 --> 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我想當時的時空背景世界還沒有標準標準都一樣了嘛標準那時候還沒有定Codex還沒有定標準所以在那樣時空背景如果配合我的課程的課去上完之後對於到現在已經經過十幾年會有新的一個體會跟體驗我們耐心的總統當時還嗆我們的總統說他說如果為了要當總統然後犧牲人民的權益那不如不要當啊"},{"start":258.393,"end":284.824,"text":"對不對那我們現在總統有告訴你驗出這個這個來這個來劑他接受嗎我想他有告訴你嗎在萊克多巴胺被開放了一個是在前馬英九前總統的牛肉的開放目前有兩千四百九十三批也有驗到微量其中六批有超標我們把它退運了銷毀豬肉的部分呢從驗了之後有三批那是在一百一十年蔡總統的時候開放蔡總統也講過政府做不來就下台嘛"},{"start":288.394,"end":316.208,"text":"對他的標準你認為你要不要下台對於現在因為我們國家法令上面已經訂定說萊克多巴胺可以在豬肉牛肉裡面有參與的標準有這個標準如果標準超標的我們會退役如果沒有消費的話就就應該在記者上的回應我想請問一下就我們對食安法的認知這食安法立法的精神他是保護消費者還是廠商還是未來拿來當談判的籌碼"},{"start":318.329,"end":346.008,"text":"郭委員是以全民的 國家至上全民優先的 食品安全的 食安優先的想法那人民現在會恐慌 你知道嗎剛剛都很多人在講這件事情他的原因就是不確定性跟這個未知性他知道我們應該讓他 剛剛我們玉敏委員有講到我們要讓人民他有選擇的權利所以我認為你們說這個一直到現在都不願意公佈流向這個原因是什麼"},{"start":347.554,"end":364.241,"text":"報告委員因為我們現在面對的是檢驗進來是合格的廠商規定是經過我們大院以及行政部門裡面訂定的他們沒有違規的情形之下他現在驗出來沒有違規嗎他沒有違規他是檢出違規是0.01ppm以上你在記者會上說如果都要公佈就公佈不完現在驗出只有3p不是嗎"},{"start":375.656,"end":401.432,"text":"對 因為還有牛的牛會有兩千多匹我想說對於合格的廠商我們豬肉可以在我們那個那個豬肉魚錶板上看到嘛那牛要在哪裡看對 因為牛沒有牛肉魚錶板因為當初的背景上面沒有特別其實如果沒有豬肉魚錶板你們網站上說牛肉跟那個牛雜碎驗出兩千四百九十三匹退了六匹嘛 對不對六匹 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跟我有報告那個是怎麼後來怎麼調的它是因為它是違規的蘇丹紅是不得檢出是違規的我們就打XX了如果它是合規的我們其實是打圈就放心我們耐心的總統標準是零檢出"},{"start":459.424,"end":480.602,"text":"那個在石東的背景底下,對於萊克多灣還沒有定所以經過這麼多年,我會請有相應的代表同事來交流你的專業,我們當然是尊重,可是我們一直認為說,你應該要把這個產地或者是它裡面的一些規範,就是它的產地的一些數字,要把它標示清楚"},{"start":483.165,"end":492.413,"text":"我們現在針對所有的豬肉不管國內國外我們都一體適用都有標示的在這邊跟委員做進一步的說明"},{"start":493.328,"end":521.646,"text":"有標示產地嗎?原料的原產地一體試用國內國外的其實都有都有標示的好那我在想啦因為現在查出這樣的一個問題我希望我們原來的機制就是說當我們的抽檢率它突然抽到非常多的時候我們的那些這個抽檢率就要繼續提高因為你剛剛講的你只抽10%那另外90%你沒抽嘛"},{"start":522.507,"end":536.441,"text":"報告委員因為這一次的總共3批其實在澳洲是同一個製造廠所以其實是一個所以我們雖然說他合格我們眼睛有偷偷增大增量那你剛剛有沒有打算去看看像這樣驗出來的這個產地那我們以後還會讓他進來嗎"},{"start":542.827,"end":569.662,"text":"因為進口澳洲的廠商要進口選擇其實是來自於進口貿易商進口貿易商我們其實非常尊重他們我們設的標準之後按照這標準來做管理如果他們送來的東西都是常常出現問題的時候是不是我們應該剛剛我們幾個委員有講到要去茶廠看一下但關於這個茶廠部分剛才特別提到那是在農委會的時代"},{"start":571.736,"end":593.291,"text":"豬肉 澳洲豬肉就已經是進來了那基於性耐保護原則我們沒有再進一步的查查而且對豬肉廠在澳洲呢它是牛肉 豬肉 羊肉 鹿肉是一起的那個部分其實我們去查過查所以對於豬的部分其實查是同樣的我們現在如果有驗出來的我們有驗出來的話我們可不可以標示嗎"},{"start":594.873,"end":621.013,"text":"呃 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