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00:00:36,097\n你好早安正是我要延續剛剛沈伯陽委員的話題就是有關於昨天這個中國國民黨的主席朱立倫因為用不當的類比把這個台灣目前的政治跟希特勒來做惡意的連結以至於在昨天晚上的時候德國在台協會很罕見的是在下班時間而且用英文原文的方式直接點名批判來看一下下一張這個是個最新的圖片\n\n3\n00:00:41,056 --> 00:01:06,415\n我必須要講法國在台協會也連結了德國在台協會他們的聲明荷蘭在台協會也連結了德國在台協會的聲明剛剛我特別去看了一下還有另外歐洲經貿辦事處其實也在昨天晚上連結了德國在台協會的聲明我不知道外交部有沒有看到這些連結\n\n4\n00:01:07,597 --> 00:01:32,630\n有有是我必須要強調這有可能形成一個外交災難我為什麼這樣講因為過去在立法院當中國民黨每一次都對外強調他們佔有60%的民意言下之意這一個一直強調自己擁有60%民意的在野黨正在引發外交危機因為\n\n5\n00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:55,156\n從德國到法國再到荷蘭再到剛剛我看到的歐洲經貿辦事處我知道身為外交人員是國家的你們剛剛包括您的回答都說這個是別的政黨的政爭但是我現在給你看到的是外交部要動起來喔\n\n6\n00:01:56,796 --> 00:02:13,220\n這個顯然已經引發了歐洲其他國家的不滿因為對於歐洲的民眾來說這是一段慘痛的歷史當他們被惡意的扭曲跟曲解而且是一個自稱在台灣擁有60%民意支持的政黨的時候這個會不會是跟國際社會說台灣有60%的民意同意這樣的講法\n\n7\n00:02:23,762 --> 00:02:40,288\n這會不會形成一個新的外交災難尤其是在現在此時此刻是一個歐戰結束80週年的時刻尤其是在歐戰結束80週年這個時刻我想大家都應該要稍微重新來審視一下這樣的一個歷史\n\n8\n00:02:43,149 --> 00:03:04,459\n那麼這樣的一個侵略者侵略國家別的國家在國內集權壓迫造成了很多傷痛的事情那麼人類也為此經歷了一個世界大戰死傷無數我想我們必須要嚴肅的來面對到這樣的一個問題我們是希望不會造成其他的外交的災難那外交部也會盡全力\n\n9\n00:03:05,940 --> 00:03:26,195\n來跟其他的國外駐台的辦事處能夠說明這個絕非台灣的主流的一個民意同時我們也會跟其他的部會結合加強台灣民眾尤其是年輕的人對於歷史的一個正確的認識正確的一個解讀\n\n10\n00:03:26,755 --> 00:03:39,431\n好我覺得這非常重要本席也不認同國民黨擁有台灣百分之六十的民意的支持更不認同這個是一個台灣百分之六十民意所會講出來的話台灣人民沒有像他們這樣這麼沒有歷史常識但是這個確實是一個非常危險的事情喔因為\n\n11\n00:03:46,038 --> 00:04:02,887\n對於外交部來講最近真的很忙啦來下一張本席其實發現外交部現在對於我們國內不斷的有造謠的情況發生比如像昨天外交部必須要及時來澄清就是有關於這個美台談判當中沒有涉及匯率\n\n12\n00:04:03,627 --> 00:04:19,462\n那這個部分呢都是外銷轉內銷直接引發國內的恐慌或者是製造事端那麼另外就是在更早之前國民黨的前立委蔡正元不時指控日本前防衛副大臣中山泰秀\n\n13\n00:04:20,783 --> 00:04:30,714\n然後去造謠這個無中生有的事情來抹黑賴清德總統我看到外交部也都第一時間有澄清這個我予以肯定但是其實本席也發現就是鄭次您過去也在國防院當任過執行長你也當過國安會的諮詢委員\n\n14\n00:04:37,541 --> 00:04:58,157\n在這樣的過程當中,我必須要提醒的是從剛剛的希特勒的說法,我不知道你有沒有注意過在2024年的6月12號海峽之聲就曾經用標題說越來越多的證據表明賴清德正在向希特勒靠攏我想你一定知道海峽之聲是一個什麼樣的媒體是,當然,這是中國的統戰媒體\n\n15\n00:05:01,499 --> 00:05:24,411\n而且是跟解放軍有密切的關係所以本席其實要提醒的是在這麼多的國際的亂局當中這個如果也包含著中共聯手內外夾擊一方面中國在國際上面要前置台灣的聲音包括現在外交部你們知道嘛114年度的對外宣傳的總預算是被在野黨砍到一毛不剩\n\n16\n00:05:25,331 --> 00:05:39,448\n當中國在對外發聲而我們國內又有在野黨或者是有心人士在跟中國協同作戰的時候這個時候就變成是外交危機或是外交必須要有所警醒喔政策有沒有觀察\n\n17\n00:05:40,569 --> 00:05:54,956\n有,那麼也跟委員報告,如果容我再稍微說一下那麼在這個俄國侵略烏克蘭之前也是用同樣的一個說法那麼指控一個猶太背景的一個總統是納粹\n\n18\n00:05:56,477 --> 00:06:25,466\n那我想這是一個非常不好的一個說法而且是說用這樣的一個說法這個尤其是用海峽之聲這樣的一種管道來指控那麼我們的總統不時的指控我們總統我覺得是不是釋放出一種什麼樣的一個特別的訊息我們會非常的小心第二個是說我們也會跟這個國際社會再一次的澄清這個絕對不是台灣的主流民意那我們知道是說其實政黨之間有競爭這是一個民主社會裡面\n\n19\n00:06:26,286 --> 00:06:44,053\n才會有存在的一個現象像這樣的一些東西的存在正是證明了我們的國家非但不是一個極權統治的國家是一個這個民主自由的一個典範我們可以溝通這樣的一個概念好謝謝鄭次的回應這非常的重要當這個中國的戰狼在國際上面\n\n20\n00:06:44,793 --> 00:06:59,421\n不斷的咆哮要升高對立的同時如果台灣內部也變成是戰狼化而且不斷的附和中國這個是一個非常危險的尤其是我剛剛特別提到的那就是現在外交部是沒有對外發聲的經費被砍到剩下副的\n\n21\n00:07:02,622 --> 00:07:26,578\n那這個是相對的困難我們只能再利用更多的宣傳但是可能跟中國對比這種砸錢的遊戲我們是實在也沒辦法玩了來下一張但是我們看到的是說至少過去台灣因為外交不同人的努力以及大家齊心協力我們確實還是看到了一些績效包括這一陣子以來我特別整理了從3月20號比利時聯邦眾議院關切中國持續對台灣的威脅的\n\n22\n00:07:32,462 --> 00:07:59,585\n法案決議案再到這個歐洲議會和波蘭的友台小組捷克的參議院到5月5號就是前幾天美國的眾議院都通過了台灣保證落實法案跟台灣的國際團結法案等等這都證明了就是中國的戰狼外交是失敗的所以他們現在想要用這種扭曲歷史或者是國際上面的決議的方式來\n\n23\n00:08:01,339 --> 00:08:28,857\n讓台灣在國際上消失是越來越沒有辦法是但是在這個部分本席還是要提醒就是當更多的國際友人支持我們的時候我們在對外發聲的部分還是要持續加強是好那麼繼續的我想最後利用主席我利用一點時間就是我們其他的民主夥伴相繼的發聲的時候那這個在我們參與國際組織包括接下來的WHO的會議當中我們是不是可能有更多的進展\n\n24\n00:08:29,892 --> 00:08:55,944\n那麼WHO一直是我們努力的一個方向我們希望WHO、WHA能夠秉持的這一個為所有人的健康那麼也讓沒有不落下任何不落下任何的一個人這樣的一個精神那麼尤其是說在疫情期間台灣的表現也再一次的說明台灣canhelp那麼我們參與到這樣的一個國際組織絕對是有正面的對於國際社會有正面的幫助那我們也透過兩個事情\n\n25\n00:08:57,145 --> 00:09:26,031\n第一個是對於2758號的一個正確的一個詮釋各個國家紛紛的發聲第二個是說對於我們台灣能夠對於國際社會做出實質貢獻這兩點上面直接說服這個東西不是一個容易的路尤其是在於我們的外交經費被刪減的一個情況之下尤其是在這個國際的宣傳上面有它困難量但是外交部絕對不會放棄我們的職責我們會做所有的方法想出有創意的一些做法來能夠增加國際的支持\n\n26\n00:09:26,311 --> 00:09:49,922\n好我不希望我剛剛前面問的第一個問題有關一個德國在台協會這樣的一個聲明包括其他歐洲國家都串聯會影響到我們後續參與國際組織在這裡雖然歐洲是夏思黨不在啦因為運功請假但是我要提醒歐洲絲必須要好好的來關注這個事情因為它已經是造成了歐洲國家的大串聯這個不可以等閒視之好嗎\n\n27\n00:09:52,486 --> 00:10:09,392\n好我們今天就會跟所有的相關的這個歐洲駐台的這些辦事處能夠有一個互動然後跟他們再次的說明那麼我們會注意這樣的一個事情然後我們也跟他表達說這個一定不是台灣的主流民意好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n329\t10917\t謝主席有請陳正次委員好\n11462\t36097\t你好 早安 正是我要延續剛剛沈伯陽委員的話題就是有關於昨天這個中國國民黨的主席朱立倫因為用不當的類比把這個台灣目前的政治跟希特勒來做惡意的連結以至於在昨天晚上的時候德國在台協會很罕見的是在下班時間而且用英文原文的方式直接點名批判來看一下下一張這個是個最新的圖片\n41056\t66415\t我必須要講法國在台協會也連結了德國在台協會他們的聲明荷蘭在台協會也連結了德國在台協會的聲明剛剛我特別去看了一下還有另外歐洲經貿辦事處其實也在昨天晚上連結了德國在台協會的聲明我不知道外交部有沒有看到這些連結\n67597\t92630\t有有是我必須要強調這有可能形成一個外交災難我為什麼這樣講因為過去在立法院當中國民黨每一次都對外強調他們佔有60%的民意言下之意這一個一直強調自己擁有60%民意的在野黨正在引發外交危機因為\n93990\t115156\t從德國到法國再到荷蘭再到剛剛我看到的歐洲經貿辦事處我知道身為外交人員是國家的你們剛剛包括您的回答都說這個是別的政黨的政爭但是我現在給你看到的是外交部要動起來喔\n116796\t133220\t這個顯然已經引發了歐洲其他國家的不滿因為對於歐洲的民眾來說這是一段慘痛的歷史當他們被惡意的扭曲跟曲解而且是一個自稱在台灣擁有60%民意支持的政黨的時候這個會不會是跟國際社會說台灣有60%的民意同意這樣的講法\n143762\t160288\t這會不會形成一個新的外交災難尤其是在現在此時此刻是一個歐戰結束80週年的時刻尤其是在歐戰結束80週年這個時刻我想大家都應該要稍微重新來審視一下這樣的一個歷史\n163149\t184459\t那麼這樣的一個侵略者 侵略國家 別的國家在國內集權壓迫 造成了很多傷痛的事情那麼人類也為此經歷了一個世界大戰 死傷無數我想我們必須要嚴肅的來面對到這樣的一個問題我們是希望不會造成其他的外交的災難 那外交部也會盡全力\n185940\t206195\t來跟其他的國外駐台的辦事處能夠說明這個絕非台灣的主流的一個民意同時我們也會跟其他的部會結合加強台灣民眾尤其是年輕的人對於歷史的一個正確的認識正確的一個解讀\n206755\t219431\t好 我覺得這非常重要 本席也不認同國民黨擁有台灣百分之六十的民意的支持更不認同這個是一個台灣百分之六十民意所會講出來的話台灣人民沒有像他們這樣這麼沒有歷史常識但是這個確實是一個非常危險的事情喔 因為\n226038\t242887\t對於外交部來講最近真的很忙啦來下一張本席其實發現外交部現在對於我們國內不斷的有造謠的情況發生比如像昨天外交部必須要及時來澄清就是有關於這個美台談判當中沒有涉及匯率\n243627\t259462\t那這個部分呢都是外銷轉內銷直接引發國內的恐慌或者是製造事端那麼另外就是在更早之前國民黨的前立委蔡正元不時指控日本前防衛副大臣中山泰秀\n260783\t270714\t然後去造謠這個無中生有的事情來抹黑賴清德總統我看到外交部也都第一時間有澄清這個我予以肯定但是其實本席也發現就是鄭次您過去也在國防院當任過執行長你也當過國安會的諮詢委員\n277541\t298157\t在這樣的過程當中,我必須要提醒的是從剛剛的希特勒的說法,我不知道你有沒有注意過在2024年的6月12號海峽之聲就曾經用標題說越來越多的證據表明賴清德正在向希特勒靠攏我想你一定知道海峽之聲是一個什麼樣的媒體是,當然,這是中國的統戰媒體\n301499\t324411\t而且是跟解放軍有密切的關係所以本席其實要提醒的是在這麼多的國際的亂局當中這個如果也包含著中共聯手內外夾擊一方面中國在國際上面要前置台灣的聲音包括現在外交部你們知道嘛114年度的對外宣傳的總預算是被在野黨砍到一毛不剩\n325331\t339448\t當中國在對外發聲而我們國內又有在野黨或者是有心人士在跟中國協同作戰的時候這個時候就變成是外交危機或是外交必須要有所警醒喔政策有沒有觀察\n340569\t354956\t有,那麼也跟委員報告,如果容我再稍微說一下那麼在這個俄國侵略烏克蘭之前也是用同樣的一個說法那麼指控一個猶太背景的一個總統是納粹\n356477\t385466\t那我想這是一個非常不好的一個說法而且是說用這樣的一個說法這個尤其是用海峽之聲這樣的一種管道來指控那麼我們的總統不時的指控我們總統我覺得是不是釋放出一種什麼樣的一個特別的訊息我們會非常的小心第二個是說我們也會跟這個國際社會再一次的澄清這個絕對不是台灣的主流民意那我們知道是說其實政黨之間有競爭這是一個民主社會裡面\n386286\t404053\t才會有存在的一個現象像這樣的一些東西的存在正是證明了我們的國家非但不是一個極權統治的國家是一個這個民主自由的一個典範我們可以溝通這樣的一個概念好 謝謝鄭次的回應這非常的重要當這個中國的戰狼在國際上面\n404793\t419421\t不斷的咆哮要升高對立的同時如果台灣內部也變成是戰狼化而且不斷的附和中國這個是一個非常危險的尤其是我剛剛特別提到的那就是現在外交部是沒有對外發聲的經費被砍到剩下副的\n422622\t446578\t那這個是相對的困難我們只能再利用更多的宣傳但是可能跟中國對比這種砸錢的遊戲我們是實在也沒辦法玩了來下一張但是我們看到的是說至少過去台灣因為外交不同人的努力以及大家齊心協力我們確實還是看到了一些績效包括這一陣子以來我特別整理了從3月20號比利時聯邦眾議院關切中國持續對台灣的威脅的\n452462\t479585\t法案決議案再到這個歐洲議會和波蘭的友台小組捷克的參議院到5月5號就是前幾天美國的眾議院都通過了台灣保證落實法案跟台灣的國際團結法案等等這都證明了就是中國的戰狼外交是失敗的所以他們現在想要用這種扭曲歷史或者是國際上面的決議的方式來\n481339\t508857\t讓台灣在國際上消失是越來越沒有辦法是但是在這個部分本席還是要提醒就是當更多的國際友人支持我們的時候我們在對外發聲的部分還是要持續加強是好那麼繼續的我想最後利用主席我利用一點時間就是我們其他的民主夥伴相繼的發聲的時候那這個在我們參與國際組織包括接下來的WHO的會議當中我們是不是可能有更多的進展\n509892\t535944\t那麼WHO一直是我們努力的一個方向我們希望WHO、WHA能夠秉持的這一個為所有人的健康那麼也讓沒有不落下任何不落下任何的一個人這樣的一個精神那麼尤其是說在疫情期間台灣的表現也再一次的說明台灣can help那麼我們參與到這樣的一個國際組織絕對是有正面的對於國際社會有正面的幫助那我們也透過兩個事情\n537145\t566031\t第一個是對於2758號的一個正確的一個詮釋各個國家紛紛的發聲第二個是說對於我們台灣能夠對於國際社會做出實質貢獻這兩點上面直接說服這個東西不是一個容易的路尤其是在於我們的外交經費被刪減的一個情況之下尤其是在這個國際的宣傳上面有它困難量但是外交部絕對不會放棄我們的職責我們會做所有的方法想出有創意的一些做法來能夠增加國際的支持\n566311\t589922\t好 我不希望 我剛剛前面問的第一個問題有關一個德國在台協會這樣的一個聲明包括其他歐洲國家都串聯會影響到我們後續參與國際組織在這裡 雖然歐洲是 夏思黨不在啦因為運功請假但是我要提醒歐洲絲必須要好好的來關注這個事情因為它已經是造成了歐洲國家的大串聯這個不可以等閒視之 好嗎\n592486\t609392\t好 我們今天就會跟所有的相關的這個歐洲駐台的這些辦事處能夠有一個互動然後跟他們再次的說明那麼我們會注意這樣的一個事情然後我們也跟他表達說這個一定不是台灣的主流民意好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席有請陳正次委員好\n你好 早安 正是我要延續剛剛沈伯陽委員的話題就是有關於昨天這個中國國民黨的主席朱立倫因為用不當的類比把這個台灣目前的政治跟希特勒來做惡意的連結以至於在昨天晚上的時候德國在台協會很罕見的是在下班時間而且用英文原文的方式直接點名批判來看一下下一張這個是個最新的圖片\n我必須要講法國在台協會也連結了德國在台協會他們的聲明荷蘭在台協會也連結了德國在台協會的聲明剛剛我特別去看了一下還有另外歐洲經貿辦事處其實也在昨天晚上連結了德國在台協會的聲明我不知道外交部有沒有看到這些連結\n有有是我必須要強調這有可能形成一個外交災難我為什麼這樣講因為過去在立法院當中國民黨每一次都對外強調他們佔有60%的民意言下之意這一個一直強調自己擁有60%民意的在野黨正在引發外交危機因為\n從德國到法國再到荷蘭再到剛剛我看到的歐洲經貿辦事處我知道身為外交人員是國家的你們剛剛包括您的回答都說這個是別的政黨的政爭但是我現在給你看到的是外交部要動起來喔\n這個顯然已經引發了歐洲其他國家的不滿因為對於歐洲的民眾來說這是一段慘痛的歷史當他們被惡意的扭曲跟曲解而且是一個自稱在台灣擁有60%民意支持的政黨的時候這個會不會是跟國際社會說台灣有60%的民意同意這樣的講法\n這會不會形成一個新的外交災難尤其是在現在此時此刻是一個歐戰結束80週年的時刻尤其是在歐戰結束80週年這個時刻我想大家都應該要稍微重新來審視一下這樣的一個歷史\n那麼這樣的一個侵略者 侵略國家 別的國家在國內集權壓迫 造成了很多傷痛的事情那麼人類也為此經歷了一個世界大戰 死傷無數我想我們必須要嚴肅的來面對到這樣的一個問題我們是希望不會造成其他的外交的災難 那外交部也會盡全力\n來跟其他的國外駐台的辦事處能夠說明這個絕非台灣的主流的一個民意同時我們也會跟其他的部會結合加強台灣民眾尤其是年輕的人對於歷史的一個正確的認識正確的一個解讀\n好 我覺得這非常重要 本席也不認同國民黨擁有台灣百分之六十的民意的支持更不認同這個是一個台灣百分之六十民意所會講出來的話台灣人民沒有像他們這樣這麼沒有歷史常識但是這個確實是一個非常危險的事情喔 因為\n對於外交部來講最近真的很忙啦來下一張本席其實發現外交部現在對於我們國內不斷的有造謠的情況發生比如像昨天外交部必須要及時來澄清就是有關於這個美台談判當中沒有涉及匯率\n那這個部分呢都是外銷轉內銷直接引發國內的恐慌或者是製造事端那麼另外就是在更早之前國民黨的前立委蔡正元不時指控日本前防衛副大臣中山泰秀\n然後去造謠這個無中生有的事情來抹黑賴清德總統我看到外交部也都第一時間有澄清這個我予以肯定但是其實本席也發現就是鄭次您過去也在國防院當任過執行長你也當過國安會的諮詢委員\n在這樣的過程當中,我必須要提醒的是從剛剛的希特勒的說法,我不知道你有沒有注意過在2024年的6月12號海峽之聲就曾經用標題說越來越多的證據表明賴清德正在向希特勒靠攏我想你一定知道海峽之聲是一個什麼樣的媒體是,當然,這是中國的統戰媒體\n而且是跟解放軍有密切的關係所以本席其實要提醒的是在這麼多的國際的亂局當中這個如果也包含著中共聯手內外夾擊一方面中國在國際上面要前置台灣的聲音包括現在外交部你們知道嘛114年度的對外宣傳的總預算是被在野黨砍到一毛不剩\n當中國在對外發聲而我們國內又有在野黨或者是有心人士在跟中國協同作戰的時候這個時候就變成是外交危機或是外交必須要有所警醒喔政策有沒有觀察\n有,那麼也跟委員報告,如果容我再稍微說一下那麼在這個俄國侵略烏克蘭之前也是用同樣的一個說法那麼指控一個猶太背景的一個總統是納粹\n那我想這是一個非常不好的一個說法而且是說用這樣的一個說法這個尤其是用海峽之聲這樣的一種管道來指控那麼我們的總統不時的指控我們總統我覺得是不是釋放出一種什麼樣的一個特別的訊息我們會非常的小心第二個是說我們也會跟這個國際社會再一次的澄清這個絕對不是台灣的主流民意那我們知道是說其實政黨之間有競爭這是一個民主社會裡面\n才會有存在的一個現象像這樣的一些東西的存在正是證明了我們的國家非但不是一個極權統治的國家是一個這個民主自由的一個典範我們可以溝通這樣的一個概念好 謝謝鄭次的回應這非常的重要當這個中國的戰狼在國際上面\n不斷的咆哮要升高對立的同時如果台灣內部也變成是戰狼化而且不斷的附和中國這個是一個非常危險的尤其是我剛剛特別提到的那就是現在外交部是沒有對外發聲的經費被砍到剩下副的\n那這個是相對的困難我們只能再利用更多的宣傳但是可能跟中國對比這種砸錢的遊戲我們是實在也沒辦法玩了來下一張但是我們看到的是說至少過去台灣因為外交不同人的努力以及大家齊心協力我們確實還是看到了一些績效包括這一陣子以來我特別整理了從3月20號比利時聯邦眾議院關切中國持續對台灣的威脅的\n法案決議案再到這個歐洲議會和波蘭的友台小組捷克的參議院到5月5號就是前幾天美國的眾議院都通過了台灣保證落實法案跟台灣的國際團結法案等等這都證明了就是中國的戰狼外交是失敗的所以他們現在想要用這種扭曲歷史或者是國際上面的決議的方式來\n讓台灣在國際上消失是越來越沒有辦法是但是在這個部分本席還是要提醒就是當更多的國際友人支持我們的時候我們在對外發聲的部分還是要持續加強是好那麼繼續的我想最後利用主席我利用一點時間就是我們其他的民主夥伴相繼的發聲的時候那這個在我們參與國際組織包括接下來的WHO的會議當中我們是不是可能有更多的進展\n那麼WHO一直是我們努力的一個方向我們希望WHO、WHA能夠秉持的這一個為所有人的健康那麼也讓沒有不落下任何不落下任何的一個人這樣的一個精神那麼尤其是說在疫情期間台灣的表現也再一次的說明台灣can help那麼我們參與到這樣的一個國際組織絕對是有正面的對於國際社會有正面的幫助那我們也透過兩個事情\n第一個是對於2758號的一個正確的一個詮釋各個國家紛紛的發聲第二個是說對於我們台灣能夠對於國際社會做出實質貢獻這兩點上面直接說服這個東西不是一個容易的路尤其是在於我們的外交經費被刪減的一個情況之下尤其是在這個國際的宣傳上面有它困難量但是外交部絕對不會放棄我們的職責我們會做所有的方法想出有創意的一些做法來能夠增加國際的支持\n好 我不希望 我剛剛前面問的第一個問題有關一個德國在台協會這樣的一個聲明包括其他歐洲國家都串聯會影響到我們後續參與國際組織在這裡 雖然歐洲是 夏思黨不在啦因為運功請假但是我要提醒歐洲絲必須要好好的來關注這個事情因為它已經是造成了歐洲國家的大串聯這個不可以等閒視之 好嗎\n好 我們今天就會跟所有的相關的這個歐洲駐台的這些辦事處能夠有一個互動然後跟他們再次的說明那麼我們會注意這樣的一個事情然後我們也跟他表達說這個一定不是台灣的主流民意好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.329 --> 00:10.917\n謝主席有請陳正次委員好\n\n00:11.462 --> 00:36.097\n你好早安正是我要延續剛剛沈伯陽委員的話題就是有關於昨天這個中國國民黨的主席朱立倫因為用不當的類比把這個台灣目前的政治跟希特勒來做惡意的連結以至於在昨天晚上的時候德國在台協會很罕見的是在下班時間而且用英文原文的方式直接點名批判來看一下下一張這個是個最新的圖片\n\n00:41.056 --> 01:06.415\n我必須要講法國在台協會也連結了德國在台協會他們的聲明荷蘭在台協會也連結了德國在台協會的聲明剛剛我特別去看了一下還有另外歐洲經貿辦事處其實也在昨天晚上連結了德國在台協會的聲明我不知道外交部有沒有看到這些連結\n\n01:07.597 --> 01:32.630\n有有是我必須要強調這有可能形成一個外交災難我為什麼這樣講因為過去在立法院當中國民黨每一次都對外強調他們佔有60%的民意言下之意這一個一直強調自己擁有60%民意的在野黨正在引發外交危機因為\n\n01:33.990 --> 01:55.156\n從德國到法國再到荷蘭再到剛剛我看到的歐洲經貿辦事處我知道身為外交人員是國家的你們剛剛包括您的回答都說這個是別的政黨的政爭但是我現在給你看到的是外交部要動起來喔\n\n01:56.796 --> 02:13.220\n這個顯然已經引發了歐洲其他國家的不滿因為對於歐洲的民眾來說這是一段慘痛的歷史當他們被惡意的扭曲跟曲解而且是一個自稱在台灣擁有60%民意支持的政黨的時候這個會不會是跟國際社會說台灣有60%的民意同意這樣的講法\n\n02:23.762 --> 02:40.288\n這會不會形成一個新的外交災難尤其是在現在此時此刻是一個歐戰結束80週年的時刻尤其是在歐戰結束80週年這個時刻我想大家都應該要稍微重新來審視一下這樣的一個歷史\n\n02:43.149 --> 03:04.459\n那麼這樣的一個侵略者侵略國家別的國家在國內集權壓迫造成了很多傷痛的事情那麼人類也為此經歷了一個世界大戰死傷無數我想我們必須要嚴肅的來面對到這樣的一個問題我們是希望不會造成其他的外交的災難那外交部也會盡全力\n\n03:05.940 --> 03:26.195\n來跟其他的國外駐台的辦事處能夠說明這個絕非台灣的主流的一個民意同時我們也會跟其他的部會結合加強台灣民眾尤其是年輕的人對於歷史的一個正確的認識正確的一個解讀\n\n03:26.755 --> 03:39.431\n好我覺得這非常重要本席也不認同國民黨擁有台灣百分之六十的民意的支持更不認同這個是一個台灣百分之六十民意所會講出來的話台灣人民沒有像他們這樣這麼沒有歷史常識但是這個確實是一個非常危險的事情喔因為\n\n03:46.038 --> 04:02.887\n對於外交部來講最近真的很忙啦來下一張本席其實發現外交部現在對於我們國內不斷的有造謠的情況發生比如像昨天外交部必須要及時來澄清就是有關於這個美台談判當中沒有涉及匯率\n\n04:03.627 --> 04:19.462\n那這個部分呢都是外銷轉內銷直接引發國內的恐慌或者是製造事端那麼另外就是在更早之前國民黨的前立委蔡正元不時指控日本前防衛副大臣中山泰秀\n\n04:20.783 --> 04:30.714\n然後去造謠這個無中生有的事情來抹黑賴清德總統我看到外交部也都第一時間有澄清這個我予以肯定但是其實本席也發現就是鄭次您過去也在國防院當任過執行長你也當過國安會的諮詢委員\n\n04:37.541 --> 04:58.157\n在這樣的過程當中,我必須要提醒的是從剛剛的希特勒的說法,我不知道你有沒有注意過在2024年的6月12號海峽之聲就曾經用標題說越來越多的證據表明賴清德正在向希特勒靠攏我想你一定知道海峽之聲是一個什麼樣的媒體是,當然,這是中國的統戰媒體\n\n05:01.499 --> 05:24.411\n而且是跟解放軍有密切的關係所以本席其實要提醒的是在這麼多的國際的亂局當中這個如果也包含著中共聯手內外夾擊一方面中國在國際上面要前置台灣的聲音包括現在外交部你們知道嘛114年度的對外宣傳的總預算是被在野黨砍到一毛不剩\n\n05:25.331 --> 05:39.448\n當中國在對外發聲而我們國內又有在野黨或者是有心人士在跟中國協同作戰的時候這個時候就變成是外交危機或是外交必須要有所警醒喔政策有沒有觀察\n\n05:40.569 --> 05:54.956\n有,那麼也跟委員報告,如果容我再稍微說一下那麼在這個俄國侵略烏克蘭之前也是用同樣的一個說法那麼指控一個猶太背景的一個總統是納粹\n\n05:56.477 --> 06:25.466\n那我想這是一個非常不好的一個說法而且是說用這樣的一個說法這個尤其是用海峽之聲這樣的一種管道來指控那麼我們的總統不時的指控我們總統我覺得是不是釋放出一種什麼樣的一個特別的訊息我們會非常的小心第二個是說我們也會跟這個國際社會再一次的澄清這個絕對不是台灣的主流民意那我們知道是說其實政黨之間有競爭這是一個民主社會裡面\n\n06:26.286 --> 06:44.053\n才會有存在的一個現象像這樣的一些東西的存在正是證明了我們的國家非但不是一個極權統治的國家是一個這個民主自由的一個典範我們可以溝通這樣的一個概念好謝謝鄭次的回應這非常的重要當這個中國的戰狼在國際上面\n\n06:44.793 --> 06:59.421\n不斷的咆哮要升高對立的同時如果台灣內部也變成是戰狼化而且不斷的附和中國這個是一個非常危險的尤其是我剛剛特別提到的那就是現在外交部是沒有對外發聲的經費被砍到剩下副的\n\n07:02.622 --> 07:26.578\n那這個是相對的困難我們只能再利用更多的宣傳但是可能跟中國對比這種砸錢的遊戲我們是實在也沒辦法玩了來下一張但是我們看到的是說至少過去台灣因為外交不同人的努力以及大家齊心協力我們確實還是看到了一些績效包括這一陣子以來我特別整理了從3月20號比利時聯邦眾議院關切中國持續對台灣的威脅的\n\n07:32.462 --> 07:59.585\n法案決議案再到這個歐洲議會和波蘭的友台小組捷克的參議院到5月5號就是前幾天美國的眾議院都通過了台灣保證落實法案跟台灣的國際團結法案等等這都證明了就是中國的戰狼外交是失敗的所以他們現在想要用這種扭曲歷史或者是國際上面的決議的方式來\n\n08:01.339 --> 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