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00:02:31,774\n那我們現在在這個林部長的這個帶領之下那我們在三個面向上面繼續努力第一個是在於這個故邦、榮邦、拓邦第三個拓邦就是希望能夠開拓更多的我們的國際友人讓大家能夠認同台灣的一個民主自由的一個理念那我們在這上面也跟委員報告我們盡了所有的努力那我們希望那麼很快的能夠有好的消息但是\n\n8\n00:02:32,274 --> 00:02:54,893\n也請委員了解到說這是一個不是很容易的一個過程尤其是中國在全世界所有的可能的場合都打壓台灣我們的駐外的工作人員非常的辛苦也非常的努力但是我們會全面的加把勁希望能夠很早日帶給國人同胞好的消息\n\n9\n00:02:55,629 --> 00:03:06,985\n好謝謝那在接下來請問次長我們現在的外交理念是不是已經從過去最被批評的金錢外交已經把它轉成了價值外交了呢\n\n10\n00:03:08,086 --> 00:03:29,144\n報告委員我們中華民國的外交一直不是用金錢為重心我們對於理念價值那麼尊重中華民國的自由民主我想這才是最重要的現在來說的話我們的這個部長林部長現在有三條鏈第一個是說這個民主價值鏈第二個是所謂的這個第一島\n\n11\n00:03:30,805 --> 00:03:45,025\n第一島鏈這個所謂的地緣政治上面的重要性第三個很重要的是我們的在整個全球的這個供應鏈上面的關鍵位置那我們透過這三條鏈三鏈能夠推動我們外交的工作\n\n12\n00:03:45,970 --> 00:04:02,264\n那我想請問一下就是說在太平洋地區現在仍然與台灣維持外交關係的國家有哪幾個國家南泰有三個國家帛琉這個馬紹爾群島以及這個土瓦魯他們各維持了多少年呢具體的來我們請我們的亞太司的司長回答\n\n13\n00:04:08,594 --> 00:04:27,345\n跟委員報告一下那個馬紹爾是進入26年那那個柏流是25年然後那個土瓦魯是46年所以本席相信我們的雙方其實都能建交維持到25年其實那麼多年的感情應該都是真心的吧是\n\n14\n00:04:29,025 --> 00:04:47,755\n所以我再請問次長我們台灣是不是也有屬於藍島語族的26也是屬於藍島語族的26個國家之一嘛對不對雖然我今天有看到今天的報告發現外交部的確做了不少的努力但還是希望外交部還是可以再做更多的交流還有互動因為來深化我們台灣跟藍島語族國家的文化上面的連結\n\n15\n00:04:54,159 --> 00:05:11,469\n是那就好像剛才那個包括昭緯包括其他的委員也提到我們想說外交部會跟原民會一起配合在這個經費上面在努力上面一起的這個合作能夠這個透展我們的原民外交這也是我們的這個部長他的總和外交裡面重要的部分\n\n16\n00:05:12,239 --> 00:05:16,260\n因為去年2024年的時候舉辦的第53屆太平洋島國的論壇所以聽說它這裡面有包含澳洲和紐西蘭在內的國家都很肯定我們台灣的貢獻還有參與而且非常的支持我們台灣在PIF的參與的地位還有去年7月12號和9月10號本席在立法院有陪同韓院長分別接待了\n\n17\n00:05:36,944 --> 00:05:38,826\n那個馬紹爾群島共和國的國會的議長還有土瓦魯的議長對他們長期支持台灣在太平洋島國的論壇的國際參與甚至聯合國有些WHA等國際場合為我國來發聲我們都是\n\n18\n00:05:53,181 --> 00:05:58,924\n給他給予以後特別的感謝所以次長本席非常的希望以後外交部邀請外賓來訪時尤其是和我們台灣原住民語言相近的南島語族的國家我們可以在國內參訪那時候同時除了接待他們享用我們台灣的美食之外\n\n19\n00:06:11,949 --> 00:06:16,672\n更有機會可以帶著這些外賓到花蓮台東觀光舉辦更多的交流活動因為這樣可以趁機做好的國際外交也因為這樣也可以在我們花東地區因為0403的地震過後的經濟重新振興還有帶動整個景氣此外我也發現我們和這個南島語族的土蛙魯國的雙方的情誼可能不限在此還有更緊密的關係喔\n\n20\n00:06:38,286 --> 00:06:41,949\n因為吐瓦魯的主要的語言是吐瓦魯語但是好像跟我們台灣幾個原住民族像魯凱族、卑蘭族所用的母語有比較接近還有卑蘭族這些大部分都是在台東還有魯凱族有些有分布在台東的嘉蘭村還有卑蘭村、卑蘭鄉這樣這是本席住的花東的地區我想也是我們昭緯黃人委員居住的地方\n\n21\n00:07:03,324 --> 00:07:10,308\n和選區所以你知道去年的時候土瓦魯的和馬紹爾群島的議長來國會拜訪的時候他們非常的熱情的邀請我們院長還有邀請我們台灣的立委能夠有機會可以去他們國家進行一些交流這樣所以我想說我們已經跟他們維持那麼多年的友邦是不是應該再積極交流更多的深化的關係呢是\n\n22\n00:07:28,738 --> 00:07:30,540\n那本席想要建議一下請外交部可以安排國會外交到土瓦魯還是馬紹爾群島還是這些藍島語族的國家進行國會外交否則每次都是對方非常熱情的來台結果我們自己的國會都無動於衷\n\n23\n00:07:43,575 --> 00:07:46,276\n這樣是非常沒有禮貌的啦其實有時候是要禮尚往來嘛不然我們會非常的失禮啦還是請我們的原住民委員黃仁昭委主動安排一下考察到那個國家去我們可以進行一些交流不論是文化方面\n\n24\n00:08:01,044 --> 00:08:30,510\n語言方面還是醫療交流方面畢竟我們台灣的醫療那麼先進其實也是有機會進行一些國會上面的交流看看他們國家是不是需要台灣進一步的協助還是合作的地方讓雙方的友情更加堅定不移畢竟我們台灣現在應該沒有任何斷交的本錢了所以可以沒有辦法再繼續有人跟我們斷交了所以我們也不能有這種邦交國有分手的意外所以我們也更需要在這方面做更大的努力\n\n25\n00:08:31,294 --> 00:08:51,981\n我們外交部主動規劃積極配合如果說大院決定是說要去這些我們南泰的友邦來訪視的話我們一定會全力的配合做好規劃那麼讓雙方的這個交流達到更加有意義那也提升雙方的邦誼到更高的一個層次這我們絕對要一起來努力謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t2110\t主席有請次長委員好次長好教宗方濟各安息主懷之後教廷預計今天開始繼任的教宗的選舉會議據了解因為教宗的會議大部分都是高度的秘密的會議所以一般外界大部分都\n26564\t47177\t不太可以有機會掌握整個事前的情節知道繼任的教宗是誰但是目前全世界的主流媒體已經整理出九位繼任的人選請次長看一下外交部目前有沒有預測可能會是哪一個人選是比較有可能成為下一任的教宗的繼任人選呢\n48121\t76066\t報告委員沒有耶這個我們對於這個教宗的這個繼任人選不做任何的猜測我們重點在於第一個是說能夠繼續的傳達我國是一個那麼重視宗教自由的國家第二個我們也有相當顯著的天主教的這個信徒需要牧羊第三個是說我們跟教廷維持良好的關係那我們對於個別的一個人選那麼也沒有什麼猜測也沒有這個特別的這個\n77629\t78033\t要去影響\n79276\t106250\t因為畢竟教廷是我們台灣現在歐洲唯一的邦交國也是台灣現在僅存的邦交的12個國家之一但是因為有中國的因素所以未來繼任教宗會不會有轉變影響到教廷未來的兩岸政策進而影響到我們台灣和教廷的關係所以請次長一定要密切的注意這些千萬不要因為教宗換人到時候我們兩國的邦交又出了問題\n107691\t110555\t還有本席是期許外交部可以風光的成為一個為台灣增加的邦交國的建交部千萬不要跟前部長吳釗燮一樣被共諜滲透讓外交部變成了斷交部那可以嗎當然\n124511\t151774\t那我們現在在這個林部長的這個帶領之下那我們在三個面向上面繼續努力第一個是在於這個故邦、榮邦、拓邦第三個拓邦就是希望能夠開拓更多的我們的國際友人讓大家能夠認同台灣的一個民主自由的一個理念那我們在這上面也跟委員報告我們盡了所有的努力那我們希望那麼很快的能夠有好的消息但是\n152274\t174893\t也請委員了解到說這是一個不是很容易的一個過程尤其是中國在全世界所有的可能的場合都打壓台灣我們的駐外的工作人員非常的辛苦也非常的努力但是我們會全面的加把勁希望能夠很早日帶給國人同胞好的消息\n175629\t186985\t好 謝謝那在接下來請問次長我們現在的外交理念是不是已經從過去最被批評的金錢外交已經把它轉成了價值外交了呢\n188086\t209144\t報告委員我們中華民國的外交一直不是用金錢為重心我們對於理念價值那麼尊重中華民國的自由民主我想這才是最重要的現在來說的話我們的這個部長林部長現在有三條鏈第一個是說這個民主價值鏈第二個是所謂的這個第一島\n210805\t225025\t第一島鏈這個所謂的地緣政治上面的重要性第三個很重要的是我們的在整個全球的這個供應鏈上面的關鍵位置那我們透過這三條鏈三鏈能夠推動我們外交的工作\n225970\t242264\t那我想請問一下就是說在太平洋地區現在仍然與台灣維持外交關係的國家有哪幾個國家南泰有三個國家 帛琉 這個馬紹爾群島以及這個土瓦魯他們各維持了多少年呢具體的來我們請我們的亞太司的司長回答\n248594\t267345\t跟委員報告一下那個馬紹爾是進入26年那那個柏流是25年然後那個土瓦魯是46年所以本席相信我們的雙方其實都能建交維持到25年其實那麼多年的感情應該都是真心的吧是\n269025\t287755\t所以我再請問次長我們台灣是不是也有屬於藍島語族的26也是屬於藍島語族的26個國家之一嘛對不對雖然我今天有看到今天的報告發現外交部的確做了不少的努力但還是希望外交部還是可以再做更多的交流還有互動因為來深化我們台灣跟藍島語族國家的文化上面的連結\n294159\t311469\t是那就好像剛才那個包括昭緯包括其他的委員也提到我們想說外交部會跟原民會一起配合在這個經費上面在努力上面一起的這個合作能夠這個透展我們的原民外交這也是我們的這個部長他的總和外交裡面重要的部分\n312239\t316260\t因為去年2024年的時候舉辦的第53屆太平洋島國的論壇所以聽說它這裡面有包含澳洲和紐西蘭在內的國家都很肯定我們台灣的貢獻還有參與而且非常的支持我們台灣在PIF的參與的地位還有去年7月12號和9月10號本席在立法院有陪同韓院長分別接待了\n336944\t338826\t那個馬紹爾群島共和國的國會的議長還有土瓦魯的議長對他們長期支持台灣在太平洋島國的論壇的國際參與甚至聯合國有些WHA等國際場合為我國來發聲我們都是\n353181\t358924\t給他給予以後特別的感謝所以次長本席非常的希望以後外交部邀請外賓來訪時尤其是和我們台灣原住民語言相近的南島語族的國家我們可以在國內參訪那時候同時除了接待他們享用我們台灣的美食之外\n371949\t376672\t更有機會可以帶著這些外賓到花蓮台東觀光舉辦更多的交流活動因為這樣可以趁機做好的國際外交也因為這樣也可以在我們花東地區因為0403的地震過後的經濟重新振興還有帶動整個景氣此外我也發現我們和這個南島語族的土蛙魯國的雙方的情誼可能不限在此還有更緊密的關係喔\n398286\t401949\t因為吐瓦魯的主要的語言是吐瓦魯語但是好像跟我們台灣幾個原住民族像魯凱族、卑蘭族所用的母語有比較接近還有卑蘭族這些大部分都是在台東還有魯凱族有些有分布在台東的嘉蘭村還有卑蘭村、卑蘭鄉這樣這是本席住的花東的地區我想也是我們昭緯黃人委員居住的地方\n423324\t430308\t和選區所以你知道去年的時候土瓦魯的和馬紹爾群島的議長來國會拜訪的時候他們非常的熱情的邀請我們院長還有邀請我們台灣的立委能夠有機會可以去他們國家進行一些交流這樣所以我想說我們已經跟他們維持那麼多年的友邦是不是應該再積極交流更多的深化的關係呢是\n448738\t450540\t那本席想要建議一下請外交部可以安排國會外交到土瓦魯還是馬紹爾群島還是這些藍島語族的國家進行國會外交否則每次都是對方非常熱情的來台結果我們自己的國會都無動於衷\n463575\t466276\t這樣是非常沒有禮貌的啦其實有時候是要禮尚往來嘛不然我們會非常的失禮啦還是請我們的原住民委員黃仁昭委主動安排一下考察到那個國家去我們可以進行一些交流不論是文化方面\n481044\t510510\t語言方面還是醫療交流方面畢竟我們台灣的醫療那麼先進其實也是有機會進行一些國會上面的交流看看他們國家是不是需要台灣進一步的協助還是合作的地方讓雙方的友情更加堅定不移畢竟我們台灣現在應該沒有任何斷交的本錢了所以可以沒有辦法再繼續有人跟我們斷交了所以我們也不能有這種邦交國有分手的意外所以我們也更需要在這方面做更大的努力\n511294\t531981\t我們外交部主動規劃積極配合如果說大院決定是說要去這些我們南泰的友邦來訪視的話我們一定會全力的配合做好規劃那麼讓雙方的這個交流達到更加有意義那也提升雙方的邦誼到更高的一個層次這我們絕對要一起來努力謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席有請次長委員好次長好教宗方濟各安息主懷之後教廷預計今天開始繼任的教宗的選舉會議據了解因為教宗的會議大部分都是高度的秘密的會議所以一般外界大部分都\n不太可以有機會掌握整個事前的情節知道繼任的教宗是誰但是目前全世界的主流媒體已經整理出九位繼任的人選請次長看一下外交部目前有沒有預測可能會是哪一個人選是比較有可能成為下一任的教宗的繼任人選呢\n報告委員沒有耶這個我們對於這個教宗的這個繼任人選不做任何的猜測我們重點在於第一個是說能夠繼續的傳達我國是一個那麼重視宗教自由的國家第二個我們也有相當顯著的天主教的這個信徒需要牧羊第三個是說我們跟教廷維持良好的關係那我們對於個別的一個人選那麼也沒有什麼猜測也沒有這個特別的這個\n要去影響\n因為畢竟教廷是我們台灣現在歐洲唯一的邦交國也是台灣現在僅存的邦交的12個國家之一但是因為有中國的因素所以未來繼任教宗會不會有轉變影響到教廷未來的兩岸政策進而影響到我們台灣和教廷的關係所以請次長一定要密切的注意這些千萬不要因為教宗換人到時候我們兩國的邦交又出了問題\n還有本席是期許外交部可以風光的成為一個為台灣增加的邦交國的建交部千萬不要跟前部長吳釗燮一樣被共諜滲透讓外交部變成了斷交部那可以嗎當然\n那我們現在在這個林部長的這個帶領之下那我們在三個面向上面繼續努力第一個是在於這個故邦、榮邦、拓邦第三個拓邦就是希望能夠開拓更多的我們的國際友人讓大家能夠認同台灣的一個民主自由的一個理念那我們在這上面也跟委員報告我們盡了所有的努力那我們希望那麼很快的能夠有好的消息但是\n也請委員了解到說這是一個不是很容易的一個過程尤其是中國在全世界所有的可能的場合都打壓台灣我們的駐外的工作人員非常的辛苦也非常的努力但是我們會全面的加把勁希望能夠很早日帶給國人同胞好的消息\n好 謝謝那在接下來請問次長我們現在的外交理念是不是已經從過去最被批評的金錢外交已經把它轉成了價值外交了呢\n報告委員我們中華民國的外交一直不是用金錢為重心我們對於理念價值那麼尊重中華民國的自由民主我想這才是最重要的現在來說的話我們的這個部長林部長現在有三條鏈第一個是說這個民主價值鏈第二個是所謂的這個第一島\n第一島鏈這個所謂的地緣政治上面的重要性第三個很重要的是我們的在整個全球的這個供應鏈上面的關鍵位置那我們透過這三條鏈三鏈能夠推動我們外交的工作\n那我想請問一下就是說在太平洋地區現在仍然與台灣維持外交關係的國家有哪幾個國家南泰有三個國家 帛琉 這個馬紹爾群島以及這個土瓦魯他們各維持了多少年呢具體的來我們請我們的亞太司的司長回答\n跟委員報告一下那個馬紹爾是進入26年那那個柏流是25年然後那個土瓦魯是46年所以本席相信我們的雙方其實都能建交維持到25年其實那麼多年的感情應該都是真心的吧是\n所以我再請問次長我們台灣是不是也有屬於藍島語族的26也是屬於藍島語族的26個國家之一嘛對不對雖然我今天有看到今天的報告發現外交部的確做了不少的努力但還是希望外交部還是可以再做更多的交流還有互動因為來深化我們台灣跟藍島語族國家的文化上面的連結\n是那就好像剛才那個包括昭緯包括其他的委員也提到我們想說外交部會跟原民會一起配合在這個經費上面在努力上面一起的這個合作能夠這個透展我們的原民外交這也是我們的這個部長他的總和外交裡面重要的部分\n因為去年2024年的時候舉辦的第53屆太平洋島國的論壇所以聽說它這裡面有包含澳洲和紐西蘭在內的國家都很肯定我們台灣的貢獻還有參與而且非常的支持我們台灣在PIF的參與的地位還有去年7月12號和9月10號本席在立法院有陪同韓院長分別接待了\n那個馬紹爾群島共和國的國會的議長還有土瓦魯的議長對他們長期支持台灣在太平洋島國的論壇的國際參與甚至聯合國有些WHA等國際場合為我國來發聲我們都是\n給他給予以後特別的感謝所以次長本席非常的希望以後外交部邀請外賓來訪時尤其是和我們台灣原住民語言相近的南島語族的國家我們可以在國內參訪那時候同時除了接待他們享用我們台灣的美食之外\n更有機會可以帶著這些外賓到花蓮台東觀光舉辦更多的交流活動因為這樣可以趁機做好的國際外交也因為這樣也可以在我們花東地區因為0403的地震過後的經濟重新振興還有帶動整個景氣此外我也發現我們和這個南島語族的土蛙魯國的雙方的情誼可能不限在此還有更緊密的關係喔\n因為吐瓦魯的主要的語言是吐瓦魯語但是好像跟我們台灣幾個原住民族像魯凱族、卑蘭族所用的母語有比較接近還有卑蘭族這些大部分都是在台東還有魯凱族有些有分布在台東的嘉蘭村還有卑蘭村、卑蘭鄉這樣這是本席住的花東的地區我想也是我們昭緯黃人委員居住的地方\n和選區所以你知道去年的時候土瓦魯的和馬紹爾群島的議長來國會拜訪的時候他們非常的熱情的邀請我們院長還有邀請我們台灣的立委能夠有機會可以去他們國家進行一些交流這樣所以我想說我們已經跟他們維持那麼多年的友邦是不是應該再積極交流更多的深化的關係呢是\n那本席想要建議一下請外交部可以安排國會外交到土瓦魯還是馬紹爾群島還是這些藍島語族的國家進行國會外交否則每次都是對方非常熱情的來台結果我們自己的國會都無動於衷\n這樣是非常沒有禮貌的啦其實有時候是要禮尚往來嘛不然我們會非常的失禮啦還是請我們的原住民委員黃仁昭委主動安排一下考察到那個國家去我們可以進行一些交流不論是文化方面\n語言方面還是醫療交流方面畢竟我們台灣的醫療那麼先進其實也是有機會進行一些國會上面的交流看看他們國家是不是需要台灣進一步的協助還是合作的地方讓雙方的友情更加堅定不移畢竟我們台灣現在應該沒有任何斷交的本錢了所以可以沒有辦法再繼續有人跟我們斷交了所以我們也不能有這種邦交國有分手的意外所以我們也更需要在這方面做更大的努力\n我們外交部主動規劃積極配合如果說大院決定是說要去這些我們南泰的友邦來訪視的話我們一定會全力的配合做好規劃那麼讓雙方的這個交流達到更加有意義那也提升雙方的邦誼到更高的一個層次這我們絕對要一起來努力謝謝好 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