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00:00:26,886\n主席謝謝麻煩請陳世凱部長請部長部長委員好本席注意到禮拜二的質詢那禮拜三嘉義市政府也先開了記者會說是最好的母親節禮物但沒想到不到半天的時間馬上交通部又出來開記者會說院長是口誤啊\n\n2\n00:00:27,932 --> 00:00:49,824\n院長當時在備詢的時候你有沒有在旁邊我在旁邊你在旁邊那如果院長口誤部長了解的話那從頭到尾的那個質詢裡面有沒有提醒院長說這個是口誤報告委員當時是因為在答詢的過程最後幾秒鐘院長這樣子回答所以有沒有提醒院長說是口誤\n\n3\n00:00:51,829 --> 00:01:13,361\n當時因為是最後要結束的時候院長說了這句話所以來不及有來不及嗎後面的時間來我們看一下院長其實講蠻長的院長直接講說中央可以負擔372億院長親口講中央可以負擔372億沒錯嘛我們現在在問的是我們現在在問的是說你也在旁邊是\n\n4\n00:01:14,949 --> 00:01:38,331\n一個是行政院長一個是交通部長兩個人都是我們交通最大這一個是院長一個是部長結果在立法院接受總執行備詢立法委員的詢答的時候親口講說中央可以負擔372億那你也沒有覺得說有任何的問題也沒有提醒說院長是講錯了那是代表是說你們兩位都狀況壞嗎\n\n5\n00:01:39,811 --> 00:01:47,944\n不是那不是的話為什麼會院長講了373那現在請教院長說要給交通部是不是不同意\n\n6\n00:01:50,121 --> 00:02:14,049\n所以讓大家覺得是說這可能是史上最大的詐騙案370億的詐騙案不過最快破案因為不到一天的時間馬上改口各個縣市的交通運輸尤其是輕軌跟捷運我們在100年的時候有公布了一個要點補助跟施作的要點我們全國都是一致性的原則這個不會改變\n\n7\n00:02:16,803 --> 00:02:37,467\n部長是不是知道這個嘉義輕軌到底過去到現在的一個歷史脈絡知道我想你應該很清楚嘛是因為之前中央就曾經承諾過是說要全額補助嘛那2022年王國才部長你回去看資料啦如果說要再這樣子硬凹的話就真的是太不好看了2022年的時候我們交通委員會也有去嘉義市考察\n\n8\n00:02:37,827 --> 00:03:06,837\n那那個時候王國才部長也有提到這個是正式的新聞稿你也可以找到相關資料王國才部長有講過是說如果說現在嘉義市是BRT但是要轉成輕軌運量如果說有足夠的話可以來支持中央可以來支持支持是支持是補助的意思所以到目前為止你說新北市的輕軌中央也支持部長你現在又要反質詢了是不是我沒有反質詢我是跟委員報告難道我在這邊不用向委員報告嗎來啦部長所以本席想要請教一下啦\n\n9\n00:03:08,077 --> 00:03:36,362\n本來以為我們真的可以在交通委員會也好或是說在院會也好看到建設不分藍綠縣市只要對的事情大家能夠支持所以當院長講到中央能夠負擔372億不到一天的時間居然是由交通部出來開記者會澄清那院長要不要為他的口誤來說明跟道歉這個部分我來道歉是幕僚提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個部分我必須道歉我昨天也道歉過\n\n10\n00:03:37,930 --> 00:04:04,771\n好所以是院長口誤院長講的話然後部長來幫忙洗地這個我必須要道歉因為是幕僚單位提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個我非常我們還是期待的是地方的建設中央能夠更關懷跟入智了解我們整個地方的發展啦憲北的條件跟嘉義的條件都是一樣所以我只要喊我只要講\n\n11\n00:04:05,652 --> 00:04:21,096\n新北也好嘉義也好北中南東我們都希望中央能夠看到我們各地的需求來我想請教一下自由時報今天有一個頭版頭我覺得很不錯交通部說早推綠燈5秒到10秒的這個號誌是非常好\n\n12\n00:04:27,338 --> 00:04:40,818\n兩個部分行人專用實項跟行人早開事項的一個部分那現在我們有沒有比較具體的規劃因為我看了裡面是講是說縣市有獎勵跟補助喔對好那補助的一個金額跟規模\n\n13\n00:04:44,082 --> 00:04:58,496\n我們有分三組直轄市是一組那非直轄市的部分有一千個路口有號誌的路口一千個以上跟一千個以下分兩組所以我們總共有三組前兩名的部分就是推動前兩名的部分我們會有一些補助的獎勵\n\n14\n00:05:00,117 --> 00:05:22,845\n多少錢啊我現在看到有十五萬十萬十五萬你總共那是獎勵的金額來部長所以說總共在這個計畫裡面你直轄市兩名一個第一名十五萬第二名十萬縣轄市是非直轄市是十萬五萬所以你總共花四十萬元那真的是很\n\n15\n00:05:24,138 --> 00:05:47,768\n很偉大的政策喔本席必須說喔如果說因為本席我先講我的態度喔我是認同的因為行人如果說綠燈能夠找5秒到10秒的話行人先行因為有很多車輛車要右轉右轉你就會卡到如果說行人能夠先站上斑馬線要過馬路的時候他就可以先通過那未來很多的行人也有提很多的駕駛也有提出來是說當\n\n16\n00:05:50,457 --> 00:06:10,863\n這個綠燈的時候這個行人號字能夠也先變成紅燈讓最後有5到10秒時間駕駛也可以來右轉對不對就不要車人相爭道嘛好那這個做法我支持啊那可是你現在只有提出來說獎勵的部分就是前個前兩名的縣市一個15萬一個10萬\n\n17\n00:06:12,763 --> 00:06:26,897\n報告委員路口的建置如果需要經費其實內政部跟交通部都有另外的補助方案這個只是針對說如果你可以增加的數字多的話我們給他一個獎勵的機制沒有錯我現在講的是說因為你還有提到達成目標有獎勵跟補助嘛是是是\n\n18\n00:06:33,283 --> 00:06:47,968\n那我們現在講說獎勵的部分你是要預計花40萬如果說真的40萬能夠讓所有縣市之前都知道該做這件事情但都沒有做結果現在我們的陳部長只要花40萬的經費就可以達成這樣子的一個\n\n19\n00:06:49,113 --> 00:07:09,362\n目標的話那也是非常了不起的一個成就但另外一個部分另外一個部分你要怎麼樣能夠鼓勵我覺得比較實質的是怎麼樣改善各路口其實本期今天提出來是看到目標很好我想要請教的是你實質怎麼做能夠讓各縣市真的來去做這件事情\n\n20\n00:07:09,882 --> 00:07:38,704\n有沒有跟各縣市交通局開會過有我們都有跟他們開會然後也有鼓勵他們必須要這麼做也跟委員報告其實我們之後當然還會再要求跟拜託啦因為地方政府要配合我們才有辦法做到那也跟委員報告其實我們在之前目前以行人早開實項跟專用實項目前我們已經完成了六千個入口已經完成了六千個入口過去在沒有獎勵的過程當中已經完成了六千個那未來我們會獎勵我們希望能夠在更多的這個目標可以提出來\n\n21\n00:07:39,164 --> 00:08:04,130\n所以未來希望能夠達到多少目標我們目前是希望能夠推動1700處1765處的樣子在今年年底嗎在今年年底之前好我們來看一下你的執行率那還有更重要的是一定要讓國人更了解這樣子的一個號誌的一個用意以及它真的能夠幫助到行人的安全\n\n22\n00:08:04,870 --> 00:08:31,093\n最後簡單一分鐘我想請教一下因為現在遊覽車要強制加設駕駛的身份設備原本原本是說是今年的年中就要開始實施但去年也有看到有些抗議那其實我們說實在話我想你們一定要很清楚部長也好司長也好都很清楚現在遊覽車很多的駕駛他其實靠航比較多所以他自己要負擔那台車的成本\n\n23\n00:08:31,613 --> 00:08:58,860\n那如果說又再加上的話其實車行是不會去理會的所以變成是說那個價值要自己來增加那現在看到我們的這一個政策可能是要明年一月元旦上路明年一月一號上路我們有沒有相關的配套報告委員這個經費的部分公路局也會提供補助啦就是說有一些是靠行的他自己要負擔那這個部分我們會盡量去補助他讓他的負擔可以減少辦法咧公路局是不是有提供相關的辦法\n\n24\n00:09:00,029 --> 00:09:28,060\n到目前為止還沒有看到不能今年四月的時候再講一次但是我們現在看的比較直接的就是說到目前為止你們要怎麼做能夠讓明年一月上路之後真的符合因為我想安全最重要駕駛如果安全的話大家都很期待但駕駛一定會講是說那這樣子的成本到最後車行也不理然後結果交通部一個命令下來是要駕駛自行汽車跟負擔而且不只是裝一次費用喔每個月還要管理費用來\n\n25\n00:09:29,175 --> 00:09:45,049\n跟這個部分跟委員報告一下先行遊覽車已經有GPS的所以車輛的動態系統已經重回來那現在只是加一個駕駛人識別的部分那駕駛人識別的部分有幾種方式一種是這個插生命識別卡我們可不可以直接說明剛剛部長已經講說你們不是已經研擬辦法了嗎對對對對阿所以這個\n\n26\n00:09:48,832 --> 00:10:16,682\n公共總局已經有一個補助這個規定在做這個補助所以因為之前都已經在做補助本來是這個今年7月1號要這個推那後面再調整這個時程到明年1月1號那裡面還包括就是說更大的比如說你除了裝身分識別這個卡之外那另外如果用手機QRcode也可以結合這個GPS把家屬的訊息傳回來\n\n27\n00:10:18,002 --> 00:10:45,258\n這個都在可以處理的一個範圍重點是要掌握一萬四千多全國的遊覽車如果說真的有些時候禮拜禮拜天出遊旺季的時候他可能在各地那我們可以了解他的狀況那還有更重要的是駕駛員不要有這種超時工作然後疲勞駕駛的部分嘛這個都是利益良善但我現在講的還是一樣回歸到你的\n\n28\n00:10:46,598 --> 00:11:14,826\n裝設的機器如果變成是說駕駛要再來負擔那無形當中增加成本那會不會就是有上有政策下有對策你沒有辦法落實這可能我們美意就會打折跟我們報告兩個重點第一個部分已經有補助的規定那第二個部分的話裝完之後在車輛驗車的時候都會去看這些相關設備有全額補助嗎補助應該是一半百分之四十九百分之四十九五十一嘛我覺得還是要\n\n29\n00:11:15,586 --> 00:11:28,898\n部長再了解一下現在的裝機率以及本席提醒現在裝機率以及你只剩半年左右時間如果明年元旦要上路能夠落實還有我之前有提過這一樣的牽連\n\n30\n00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:59,389\n國道客運上面能夠有雙層巴士之前部長也承諾會研議那我知道市長也已經開過會其實我最主要強調的還是一樣讓駕駛員能夠有多增加收入以及客一台車裡面能夠多增加的一個載客量讓整個交通空污也好可以下降以及交通的這個衝擊也可以比較縮小那現在我知道3月已經開過會了那現在的推動情形咧\n\n31\n00:12:00,406 --> 00:12:29,035\n跟委員報告三月開完會之後車身規格已經完成草案的研擬那接下來就要做法規的預告所以各單位大家回覆是往正向的看待是用麥克風好不好是包括這個路權還有車輛規格大家都已經討論定案了都有共識了我們希望也是一起落實如果可以的話在今年年底以前能夠真的讓這樣的一個政策能夠上路可以嗎可以好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n871\t26886\t主席謝謝 麻煩請陳世凱部長請部長部長委員好本席注意到禮拜二的質詢那禮拜三嘉義市政府也先開了記者會說是最好的母親節禮物但沒想到不到半天的時間馬上交通部又出來開記者會說院長是口誤啊\n27932\t49824\t院長當時在備詢的時候你有沒有在旁邊我在旁邊你在旁邊那如果院長口誤部長了解的話那從頭到尾的那個質詢裡面有沒有提醒院長說這個是口誤報告委員當時是因為在答詢的過程最後幾秒鐘院長這樣子回答所以有沒有提醒院長說是口誤\n51829\t73361\t當時因為是最後要結束的時候院長說了這句話所以來不及有來不及嗎後面的時間來我們看一下院長其實講蠻長的院長直接講說中央可以負擔372億院長親口講中央可以負擔372億沒錯嘛我們現在在問的是我們現在在問的是說你也在旁邊是\n74949\t98331\t一個是行政院長 一個是交通部長兩個人都是我們交通最大這一個是院長 一個是部長結果在立法院接受總執行備詢立法委員的詢答的時候親口講說中央可以負擔372億那你也沒有覺得說有任何的問題也沒有提醒說院長是講錯了那是代表是說你們兩位都狀況壞嗎\n99811\t107944\t不是 那不是的話為什麼會院長講了373那現在請教院長說要給交通部是不是不同意\n110121\t134049\t所以讓大家覺得是說這可能是史上最大的詐騙案370億的詐騙案不過最快破案因為不到一天的時間馬上改口各個縣市的交通運輸尤其是輕軌跟捷運我們在100年的時候有公布了一個要點補助跟施作的要點我們全國都是一致性的原則這個不會改變\n136803\t157467\t部長是不是知道這個嘉義輕軌到底過去到現在的一個歷史脈絡知道我想你應該很清楚嘛是因為之前中央就曾經承諾過是說要全額補助嘛那2022年王國才部長你回去看資料啦如果說要再這樣子硬凹的話就真的是太不好看了2022年的時候我們交通委員會也有去嘉義市考察\n157827\t186837\t那那個時候王國才部長也有提到這個是正式的新聞稿你也可以找到相關資料王國才部長有講過是說如果說現在嘉義市是BRT但是要轉成輕軌運量如果說有足夠的話可以來支持中央可以來支持支持是支持是補助的意思所以到目前為止你說新北市的輕軌中央也支持部長你現在又要反質詢了是不是我沒有反質詢我是跟委員報告難道我在這邊不用向委員報告嗎來啦 部長所以本席想要請教一下啦\n188077\t216362\t本來以為我們真的可以在交通委員會也好或是說在院會也好看到建設不分藍綠縣市只要對的事情大家能夠支持所以當院長講到中央能夠負擔372億不到一天的時間居然是由交通部出來開記者會澄清那院長要不要為他的口誤來說明跟道歉這個部分我來道歉是幕僚提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個部分我必須道歉我昨天也道歉過\n217930\t244771\t好 所以是院長口誤 院長講的話 然後部長來幫忙洗地這個我必須要道歉 因為是幕僚單位提供的資料讓院長誤解了 這個我非常我們還是期待的是地方的建設 中央能夠更關懷跟入智了解我們整個地方的發展啦憲北的條件跟嘉義的條件都是一樣所以我只要喊 我只要講\n245652\t261096\t新北也好 嘉義也好 北中南東我們都希望中央能夠看到我們各地的需求來 我想請教一下自由時報今天有一個頭版頭 我覺得很不錯交通部說早推綠燈5秒到10秒的這個號誌是 非常好\n267338\t280818\t兩個部分行人專用實項跟行人早開事項的一個部分那現在我們有沒有比較具體的規劃因為我看了裡面是講是說縣市有獎勵跟補助喔對好 那補助的一個金額跟規模\n284082\t298496\t我們有分三組直轄市是一組那非直轄市的部分有一千個路口有號誌的路口一千個以上跟一千個以下分兩組所以我們總共有三組前兩名的部分就是推動前兩名的部分我們會有一些補助的獎勵\n300117\t322845\t多少錢啊我現在看到有十五萬十萬十五萬你總共那是獎勵的金額來部長所以說總共在這個計畫裡面你直轄市兩名一個第一名十五萬第二名十萬縣轄市是非直轄市是十萬五萬所以你總共花四十萬元那真的是很\n324138\t347768\t很偉大的政策喔 本席必須說喔如果說 因為本席我先講我的態度喔 我是認同的因為行人如果說綠燈能夠找5秒到10秒的話行人先行 因為有很多車輛車要右轉右轉你就會卡到 如果說行人能夠先站上斑馬線要過馬路的時候 他就可以先通過那未來很多的行人也有提很多的駕駛也有提出來 是說當\n350457\t370863\t這個綠燈的時候這個行人號字能夠也先變成紅燈讓最後有5到10秒時間駕駛也可以來右轉對不對就不要車人相爭道嘛好那這個做法我支持啊那可是你現在只有提出來說獎勵的部分就是前個前兩名的縣市一個15萬一個10萬\n372763\t386897\t報告委員路口的建置如果需要經費其實內政部跟交通部都有另外的補助方案這個只是針對說如果你可以增加的數字多的話我們給他一個獎勵的機制沒有錯我現在講的是說因為你還有提到達成目標有獎勵跟補助嘛是是是\n393283\t407968\t那我們現在講說獎勵的部分你是要預計花40萬如果說真的40萬能夠讓所有縣市之前都知道該做這件事情但都沒有做結果現在我們的陳部長只要花40萬的經費就可以達成這樣子的一個\n409113\t429362\t目標的話那也是非常了不起的一個成就但另外一個部分另外一個部分你要怎麼樣能夠鼓勵我覺得比較實質的是怎麼樣改善各路口其實本期今天提出來是看到目標很好我想要請教的是你實質怎麼做能夠讓各縣市真的來去做這件事情\n429882\t458704\t有沒有跟各縣市交通局開會過有 我們都有跟他們開會然後也有鼓勵他們必須要這麼做也跟委員報告其實我們之後當然還會再要求跟拜託啦因為地方政府要配合我們才有辦法做到那也跟委員報告其實我們在之前目前以行人早開實項跟專用實項目前我們已經完成了六千個入口已經完成了六千個入口過去在沒有獎勵的過程當中已經完成了六千個那未來我們會獎勵我們希望能夠在更多的這個目標可以提出來\n459164\t484130\t所以未來希望能夠達到多少目標我們目前是希望能夠推動1700處1765處的樣子在今年年底嗎在今年年底之前好我們來看一下你的執行率那還有更重要的是一定要讓國人更了解這樣子的一個號誌的一個用意以及它真的能夠幫助到行人的安全\n484870\t511093\t最後簡單一分鐘我想請教一下因為現在遊覽車要強制加設駕駛的身份設備原本原本是說是今年的年中就要開始實施但去年也有看到有些抗議那其實我們說實在話我想你們一定要很清楚部長也好司長也好都很清楚現在遊覽車很多的駕駛他其實靠航比較多所以他自己要負擔那台車的成本\n511613\t538860\t那如果說又再加上的話其實車行是不會去理會的所以變成是說那個價值要自己來增加那現在看到我們的這一個政策可能是要明年一月元旦上路明年一月一號上路我們有沒有相關的配套報告委員這個經費的部分公路局也會提供補助啦就是說有一些是靠行的他自己要負擔那這個部分我們會盡量去補助他讓他的負擔可以減少辦法咧公路局是不是有提供相關的辦法\n540029\t568060\t到目前為止還沒有看到 不能今年四月的時候再講一次但是我們現在看的比較直接的就是說到目前為止你們要怎麼做能夠讓明年一月上路之後真的符合 因為我想安全最重要駕駛如果安全的話大家都很期待但駕駛一定會講是說那這樣子的成本到最後車行也不理然後結果交通部一個命令下來是要駕駛自行汽車跟負擔而且不只是裝一次費用喔每個月還要管理費用 來\n569175\t585049\t跟這個部分跟委員報告一下先行遊覽車已經有GPS的所以車輛的動態系統已經重回來那現在只是加一個駕駛人識別的部分那駕駛人識別的部分有幾種方式一種是這個插生命識別卡我們可不可以直接說明剛剛部長已經講說你們不是已經研擬辦法了嗎對對對對阿所以這個\n588832\t616682\t公共總局已經有一個補助這個規定在做這個補助所以因為之前都已經在做補助本來是這個今年7月1號要這個推那後面再調整這個時程到明年1月1號那裡面還包括就是說更大的比如說你除了裝身分識別這個卡之外那另外如果用手機QR code也可以結合這個GPS把家屬的訊息傳回來\n618002\t645258\t這個都在可以處理的一個範圍重點是要掌握一萬四千多全國的遊覽車如果說真的有些時候禮拜禮拜天出遊旺季的時候他可能在各地那我們可以了解他的狀況那還有更重要的是駕駛員不要有這種超時工作然後疲勞駕駛的部分嘛這個都是利益良善但我現在講的還是一樣回歸到你的\n646598\t674826\t裝設的機器如果變成是說駕駛要再來負擔那無形當中增加成本那會不會就是有上有政策下有對策你沒有辦法落實這可能我們美意就會打折跟我們報告兩個重點第一個部分已經有補助的規定那第二個部分的話裝完之後在車輛驗車的時候都會去看這些相關設備有全額補助嗎補助應該是一半百分之四十九百分之四十九 五十一嘛我覺得還是要\n675586\t688898\t部長再了解一下現在的裝機率以及本席提醒現在裝機率以及你只剩半年左右時間如果明年元旦要上路能夠落實還有我之前有提過這一樣的牽連\n691941\t719389\t國道客運上面能夠有雙層巴士之前部長也承諾會研議那我知道市長也已經開過會其實我最主要強調的還是一樣讓駕駛員能夠有多增加收入以及客一台車裡面能夠多增加的一個載客量讓整個交通空污也好可以下降以及交通的這個衝擊也可以比較縮小那現在我知道3月已經開過會了那現在的推動情形咧\n720406\t749035\t跟委員報告三月開完會之後車身規格已經完成草案的研擬那接下來就要做法規的預告所以各單位大家回覆是往正向的看待是用麥克風好不好是包括這個路權還有車輛規格大家都已經討論定案了都有共識了我們希望也是一起落實如果可以的話在今年年底以前能夠真的讓這樣的一個政策能夠上路可以嗎可以好謝謝\n","txt":"主席謝謝 麻煩請陳世凱部長請部長部長委員好本席注意到禮拜二的質詢那禮拜三嘉義市政府也先開了記者會說是最好的母親節禮物但沒想到不到半天的時間馬上交通部又出來開記者會說院長是口誤啊\n院長當時在備詢的時候你有沒有在旁邊我在旁邊你在旁邊那如果院長口誤部長了解的話那從頭到尾的那個質詢裡面有沒有提醒院長說這個是口誤報告委員當時是因為在答詢的過程最後幾秒鐘院長這樣子回答所以有沒有提醒院長說是口誤\n當時因為是最後要結束的時候院長說了這句話所以來不及有來不及嗎後面的時間來我們看一下院長其實講蠻長的院長直接講說中央可以負擔372億院長親口講中央可以負擔372億沒錯嘛我們現在在問的是我們現在在問的是說你也在旁邊是\n一個是行政院長 一個是交通部長兩個人都是我們交通最大這一個是院長 一個是部長結果在立法院接受總執行備詢立法委員的詢答的時候親口講說中央可以負擔372億那你也沒有覺得說有任何的問題也沒有提醒說院長是講錯了那是代表是說你們兩位都狀況壞嗎\n不是 那不是的話為什麼會院長講了373那現在請教院長說要給交通部是不是不同意\n所以讓大家覺得是說這可能是史上最大的詐騙案370億的詐騙案不過最快破案因為不到一天的時間馬上改口各個縣市的交通運輸尤其是輕軌跟捷運我們在100年的時候有公布了一個要點補助跟施作的要點我們全國都是一致性的原則這個不會改變\n部長是不是知道這個嘉義輕軌到底過去到現在的一個歷史脈絡知道我想你應該很清楚嘛是因為之前中央就曾經承諾過是說要全額補助嘛那2022年王國才部長你回去看資料啦如果說要再這樣子硬凹的話就真的是太不好看了2022年的時候我們交通委員會也有去嘉義市考察\n那那個時候王國才部長也有提到這個是正式的新聞稿你也可以找到相關資料王國才部長有講過是說如果說現在嘉義市是BRT但是要轉成輕軌運量如果說有足夠的話可以來支持中央可以來支持支持是支持是補助的意思所以到目前為止你說新北市的輕軌中央也支持部長你現在又要反質詢了是不是我沒有反質詢我是跟委員報告難道我在這邊不用向委員報告嗎來啦 部長所以本席想要請教一下啦\n本來以為我們真的可以在交通委員會也好或是說在院會也好看到建設不分藍綠縣市只要對的事情大家能夠支持所以當院長講到中央能夠負擔372億不到一天的時間居然是由交通部出來開記者會澄清那院長要不要為他的口誤來說明跟道歉這個部分我來道歉是幕僚提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個部分我必須道歉我昨天也道歉過\n好 所以是院長口誤 院長講的話 然後部長來幫忙洗地這個我必須要道歉 因為是幕僚單位提供的資料讓院長誤解了 這個我非常我們還是期待的是地方的建設 中央能夠更關懷跟入智了解我們整個地方的發展啦憲北的條件跟嘉義的條件都是一樣所以我只要喊 我只要講\n新北也好 嘉義也好 北中南東我們都希望中央能夠看到我們各地的需求來 我想請教一下自由時報今天有一個頭版頭 我覺得很不錯交通部說早推綠燈5秒到10秒的這個號誌是 非常好\n兩個部分行人專用實項跟行人早開事項的一個部分那現在我們有沒有比較具體的規劃因為我看了裡面是講是說縣市有獎勵跟補助喔對好 那補助的一個金額跟規模\n我們有分三組直轄市是一組那非直轄市的部分有一千個路口有號誌的路口一千個以上跟一千個以下分兩組所以我們總共有三組前兩名的部分就是推動前兩名的部分我們會有一些補助的獎勵\n多少錢啊我現在看到有十五萬十萬十五萬你總共那是獎勵的金額來部長所以說總共在這個計畫裡面你直轄市兩名一個第一名十五萬第二名十萬縣轄市是非直轄市是十萬五萬所以你總共花四十萬元那真的是很\n很偉大的政策喔 本席必須說喔如果說 因為本席我先講我的態度喔 我是認同的因為行人如果說綠燈能夠找5秒到10秒的話行人先行 因為有很多車輛車要右轉右轉你就會卡到 如果說行人能夠先站上斑馬線要過馬路的時候 他就可以先通過那未來很多的行人也有提很多的駕駛也有提出來 是說當\n這個綠燈的時候這個行人號字能夠也先變成紅燈讓最後有5到10秒時間駕駛也可以來右轉對不對就不要車人相爭道嘛好那這個做法我支持啊那可是你現在只有提出來說獎勵的部分就是前個前兩名的縣市一個15萬一個10萬\n報告委員路口的建置如果需要經費其實內政部跟交通部都有另外的補助方案這個只是針對說如果你可以增加的數字多的話我們給他一個獎勵的機制沒有錯我現在講的是說因為你還有提到達成目標有獎勵跟補助嘛是是是\n那我們現在講說獎勵的部分你是要預計花40萬如果說真的40萬能夠讓所有縣市之前都知道該做這件事情但都沒有做結果現在我們的陳部長只要花40萬的經費就可以達成這樣子的一個\n目標的話那也是非常了不起的一個成就但另外一個部分另外一個部分你要怎麼樣能夠鼓勵我覺得比較實質的是怎麼樣改善各路口其實本期今天提出來是看到目標很好我想要請教的是你實質怎麼做能夠讓各縣市真的來去做這件事情\n有沒有跟各縣市交通局開會過有 我們都有跟他們開會然後也有鼓勵他們必須要這麼做也跟委員報告其實我們之後當然還會再要求跟拜託啦因為地方政府要配合我們才有辦法做到那也跟委員報告其實我們在之前目前以行人早開實項跟專用實項目前我們已經完成了六千個入口已經完成了六千個入口過去在沒有獎勵的過程當中已經完成了六千個那未來我們會獎勵我們希望能夠在更多的這個目標可以提出來\n所以未來希望能夠達到多少目標我們目前是希望能夠推動1700處1765處的樣子在今年年底嗎在今年年底之前好我們來看一下你的執行率那還有更重要的是一定要讓國人更了解這樣子的一個號誌的一個用意以及它真的能夠幫助到行人的安全\n最後簡單一分鐘我想請教一下因為現在遊覽車要強制加設駕駛的身份設備原本原本是說是今年的年中就要開始實施但去年也有看到有些抗議那其實我們說實在話我想你們一定要很清楚部長也好司長也好都很清楚現在遊覽車很多的駕駛他其實靠航比較多所以他自己要負擔那台車的成本\n那如果說又再加上的話其實車行是不會去理會的所以變成是說那個價值要自己來增加那現在看到我們的這一個政策可能是要明年一月元旦上路明年一月一號上路我們有沒有相關的配套報告委員這個經費的部分公路局也會提供補助啦就是說有一些是靠行的他自己要負擔那這個部分我們會盡量去補助他讓他的負擔可以減少辦法咧公路局是不是有提供相關的辦法\n到目前為止還沒有看到 不能今年四月的時候再講一次但是我們現在看的比較直接的就是說到目前為止你們要怎麼做能夠讓明年一月上路之後真的符合 因為我想安全最重要駕駛如果安全的話大家都很期待但駕駛一定會講是說那這樣子的成本到最後車行也不理然後結果交通部一個命令下來是要駕駛自行汽車跟負擔而且不只是裝一次費用喔每個月還要管理費用 來\n跟這個部分跟委員報告一下先行遊覽車已經有GPS的所以車輛的動態系統已經重回來那現在只是加一個駕駛人識別的部分那駕駛人識別的部分有幾種方式一種是這個插生命識別卡我們可不可以直接說明剛剛部長已經講說你們不是已經研擬辦法了嗎對對對對阿所以這個\n公共總局已經有一個補助這個規定在做這個補助所以因為之前都已經在做補助本來是這個今年7月1號要這個推那後面再調整這個時程到明年1月1號那裡面還包括就是說更大的比如說你除了裝身分識別這個卡之外那另外如果用手機QR code也可以結合這個GPS把家屬的訊息傳回來\n這個都在可以處理的一個範圍重點是要掌握一萬四千多全國的遊覽車如果說真的有些時候禮拜禮拜天出遊旺季的時候他可能在各地那我們可以了解他的狀況那還有更重要的是駕駛員不要有這種超時工作然後疲勞駕駛的部分嘛這個都是利益良善但我現在講的還是一樣回歸到你的\n裝設的機器如果變成是說駕駛要再來負擔那無形當中增加成本那會不會就是有上有政策下有對策你沒有辦法落實這可能我們美意就會打折跟我們報告兩個重點第一個部分已經有補助的規定那第二個部分的話裝完之後在車輛驗車的時候都會去看這些相關設備有全額補助嗎補助應該是一半百分之四十九百分之四十九 五十一嘛我覺得還是要\n部長再了解一下現在的裝機率以及本席提醒現在裝機率以及你只剩半年左右時間如果明年元旦要上路能夠落實還有我之前有提過這一樣的牽連\n國道客運上面能夠有雙層巴士之前部長也承諾會研議那我知道市長也已經開過會其實我最主要強調的還是一樣讓駕駛員能夠有多增加收入以及客一台車裡面能夠多增加的一個載客量讓整個交通空污也好可以下降以及交通的這個衝擊也可以比較縮小那現在我知道3月已經開過會了那現在的推動情形咧\n跟委員報告三月開完會之後車身規格已經完成草案的研擬那接下來就要做法規的預告所以各單位大家回覆是往正向的看待是用麥克風好不好是包括這個路權還有車輛規格大家都已經討論定案了都有共識了我們希望也是一起落實如果可以的話在今年年底以前能夠真的讓這樣的一個政策能夠上路可以嗎可以好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.871 --> 00:26.886\n主席謝謝麻煩請陳世凱部長請部長部長委員好本席注意到禮拜二的質詢那禮拜三嘉義市政府也先開了記者會說是最好的母親節禮物但沒想到不到半天的時間馬上交通部又出來開記者會說院長是口誤啊\n\n00:27.932 --> 00:49.824\n院長當時在備詢的時候你有沒有在旁邊我在旁邊你在旁邊那如果院長口誤部長了解的話那從頭到尾的那個質詢裡面有沒有提醒院長說這個是口誤報告委員當時是因為在答詢的過程最後幾秒鐘院長這樣子回答所以有沒有提醒院長說是口誤\n\n00:51.829 --> 01:13.361\n當時因為是最後要結束的時候院長說了這句話所以來不及有來不及嗎後面的時間來我們看一下院長其實講蠻長的院長直接講說中央可以負擔372億院長親口講中央可以負擔372億沒錯嘛我們現在在問的是我們現在在問的是說你也在旁邊是\n\n01:14.949 --> 01:38.331\n一個是行政院長一個是交通部長兩個人都是我們交通最大這一個是院長一個是部長結果在立法院接受總執行備詢立法委員的詢答的時候親口講說中央可以負擔372億那你也沒有覺得說有任何的問題也沒有提醒說院長是講錯了那是代表是說你們兩位都狀況壞嗎\n\n01:39.811 --> 01:47.944\n不是那不是的話為什麼會院長講了373那現在請教院長說要給交通部是不是不同意\n\n01:50.121 --> 02:14.049\n所以讓大家覺得是說這可能是史上最大的詐騙案370億的詐騙案不過最快破案因為不到一天的時間馬上改口各個縣市的交通運輸尤其是輕軌跟捷運我們在100年的時候有公布了一個要點補助跟施作的要點我們全國都是一致性的原則這個不會改變\n\n02:16.803 --> 02:37.467\n部長是不是知道這個嘉義輕軌到底過去到現在的一個歷史脈絡知道我想你應該很清楚嘛是因為之前中央就曾經承諾過是說要全額補助嘛那2022年王國才部長你回去看資料啦如果說要再這樣子硬凹的話就真的是太不好看了2022年的時候我們交通委員會也有去嘉義市考察\n\n02:37.827 --> 03:06.837\n那那個時候王國才部長也有提到這個是正式的新聞稿你也可以找到相關資料王國才部長有講過是說如果說現在嘉義市是BRT但是要轉成輕軌運量如果說有足夠的話可以來支持中央可以來支持支持是支持是補助的意思所以到目前為止你說新北市的輕軌中央也支持部長你現在又要反質詢了是不是我沒有反質詢我是跟委員報告難道我在這邊不用向委員報告嗎來啦部長所以本席想要請教一下啦\n\n03:08.077 --> 03:36.362\n本來以為我們真的可以在交通委員會也好或是說在院會也好看到建設不分藍綠縣市只要對的事情大家能夠支持所以當院長講到中央能夠負擔372億不到一天的時間居然是由交通部出來開記者會澄清那院長要不要為他的口誤來說明跟道歉這個部分我來道歉是幕僚提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個部分我必須道歉我昨天也道歉過\n\n03:37.930 --> 04:04.771\n好所以是院長口誤院長講的話然後部長來幫忙洗地這個我必須要道歉因為是幕僚單位提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個我非常我們還是期待的是地方的建設中央能夠更關懷跟入智了解我們整個地方的發展啦憲北的條件跟嘉義的條件都是一樣所以我只要喊我只要講\n\n04:05.652 --> 04:21.096\n新北也好嘉義也好北中南東我們都希望中央能夠看到我們各地的需求來我想請教一下自由時報今天有一個頭版頭我覺得很不錯交通部說早推綠燈5秒到10秒的這個號誌是非常好\n\n04:27.338 --> 04:40.818\n兩個部分行人專用實項跟行人早開事項的一個部分那現在我們有沒有比較具體的規劃因為我看了裡面是講是說縣市有獎勵跟補助喔對好那補助的一個金額跟規模\n\n04:44.082 --> 04:58.496\n我們有分三組直轄市是一組那非直轄市的部分有一千個路口有號誌的路口一千個以上跟一千個以下分兩組所以我們總共有三組前兩名的部分就是推動前兩名的部分我們會有一些補助的獎勵\n\n05:00.117 --> 05:22.845\n多少錢啊我現在看到有十五萬十萬十五萬你總共那是獎勵的金額來部長所以說總共在這個計畫裡面你直轄市兩名一個第一名十五萬第二名十萬縣轄市是非直轄市是十萬五萬所以你總共花四十萬元那真的是很\n\n05:24.138 --> 05:47.768\n很偉大的政策喔本席必須說喔如果說因為本席我先講我的態度喔我是認同的因為行人如果說綠燈能夠找5秒到10秒的話行人先行因為有很多車輛車要右轉右轉你就會卡到如果說行人能夠先站上斑馬線要過馬路的時候他就可以先通過那未來很多的行人也有提很多的駕駛也有提出來是說當\n\n05:50.457 --> 06:10.863\n這個綠燈的時候這個行人號字能夠也先變成紅燈讓最後有5到10秒時間駕駛也可以來右轉對不對就不要車人相爭道嘛好那這個做法我支持啊那可是你現在只有提出來說獎勵的部分就是前個前兩名的縣市一個15萬一個10萬\n\n06:12.763 --> 06:26.897\n報告委員路口的建置如果需要經費其實內政部跟交通部都有另外的補助方案這個只是針對說如果你可以增加的數字多的話我們給他一個獎勵的機制沒有錯我現在講的是說因為你還有提到達成目標有獎勵跟補助嘛是是是\n\n06:33.283 --> 06:47.968\n那我們現在講說獎勵的部分你是要預計花40萬如果說真的40萬能夠讓所有縣市之前都知道該做這件事情但都沒有做結果現在我們的陳部長只要花40萬的經費就可以達成這樣子的一個\n\n06:49.113 --> 07:09.362\n目標的話那也是非常了不起的一個成就但另外一個部分另外一個部分你要怎麼樣能夠鼓勵我覺得比較實質的是怎麼樣改善各路口其實本期今天提出來是看到目標很好我想要請教的是你實質怎麼做能夠讓各縣市真的來去做這件事情\n\n07:09.882 --> 07:38.704\n有沒有跟各縣市交通局開會過有我們都有跟他們開會然後也有鼓勵他們必須要這麼做也跟委員報告其實我們之後當然還會再要求跟拜託啦因為地方政府要配合我們才有辦法做到那也跟委員報告其實我們在之前目前以行人早開實項跟專用實項目前我們已經完成了六千個入口已經完成了六千個入口過去在沒有獎勵的過程當中已經完成了六千個那未來我們會獎勵我們希望能夠在更多的這個目標可以提出來\n\n07:39.164 --> 08:04.130\n所以未來希望能夠達到多少目標我們目前是希望能夠推動1700處1765處的樣子在今年年底嗎在今年年底之前好我們來看一下你的執行率那還有更重要的是一定要讓國人更了解這樣子的一個號誌的一個用意以及它真的能夠幫助到行人的安全\n\n08:04.870 --> 08:31.093\n最後簡單一分鐘我想請教一下因為現在遊覽車要強制加設駕駛的身份設備原本原本是說是今年的年中就要開始實施但去年也有看到有些抗議那其實我們說實在話我想你們一定要很清楚部長也好司長也好都很清楚現在遊覽車很多的駕駛他其實靠航比較多所以他自己要負擔那台車的成本\n\n08:31.613 --> 08:58.860\n那如果說又再加上的話其實車行是不會去理會的所以變成是說那個價值要自己來增加那現在看到我們的這一個政策可能是要明年一月元旦上路明年一月一號上路我們有沒有相關的配套報告委員這個經費的部分公路局也會提供補助啦就是說有一些是靠行的他自己要負擔那這個部分我們會盡量去補助他讓他的負擔可以減少辦法咧公路局是不是有提供相關的辦法\n\n09:00.029 --> 09:28.060\n到目前為止還沒有看到不能今年四月的時候再講一次但是我們現在看的比較直接的就是說到目前為止你們要怎麼做能夠讓明年一月上路之後真的符合因為我想安全最重要駕駛如果安全的話大家都很期待但駕駛一定會講是說那這樣子的成本到最後車行也不理然後結果交通部一個命令下來是要駕駛自行汽車跟負擔而且不只是裝一次費用喔每個月還要管理費用來\n\n09:29.175 --> 09:45.049\n跟這個部分跟委員報告一下先行遊覽車已經有GPS的所以車輛的動態系統已經重回來那現在只是加一個駕駛人識別的部分那駕駛人識別的部分有幾種方式一種是這個插生命識別卡我們可不可以直接說明剛剛部長已經講說你們不是已經研擬辦法了嗎對對對對阿所以這個\n\n09:48.832 --> 10:16.682\n公共總局已經有一個補助這個規定在做這個補助所以因為之前都已經在做補助本來是這個今年7月1號要這個推那後面再調整這個時程到明年1月1號那裡面還包括就是說更大的比如說你除了裝身分識別這個卡之外那另外如果用手機QRcode也可以結合這個GPS把家屬的訊息傳回來\n\n10:18.002 --> 10:45.258\n這個都在可以處理的一個範圍重點是要掌握一萬四千多全國的遊覽車如果說真的有些時候禮拜禮拜天出遊旺季的時候他可能在各地那我們可以了解他的狀況那還有更重要的是駕駛員不要有這種超時工作然後疲勞駕駛的部分嘛這個都是利益良善但我現在講的還是一樣回歸到你的\n\n10:46.598 --> 11:14.826\n裝設的機器如果變成是說駕駛要再來負擔那無形當中增加成本那會不會就是有上有政策下有對策你沒有辦法落實這可能我們美意就會打折跟我們報告兩個重點第一個部分已經有補助的規定那第二個部分的話裝完之後在車輛驗車的時候都會去看這些相關設備有全額補助嗎補助應該是一半百分之四十九百分之四十九五十一嘛我覺得還是要\n\n11:15.586 --> 11:28.898\n部長再了解一下現在的裝機率以及本席提醒現在裝機率以及你只剩半年左右時間如果明年元旦要上路能夠落實還有我之前有提過這一樣的牽連\n\n11:31.941 --> 11:59.389\n國道客運上面能夠有雙層巴士之前部長也承諾會研議那我知道市長也已經開過會其實我最主要強調的還是一樣讓駕駛員能夠有多增加收入以及客一台車裡面能夠多增加的一個載客量讓整個交通空污也好可以下降以及交通的這個衝擊也可以比較縮小那現在我知道3月已經開過會了那現在的推動情形咧\n\n12:00.406 --> 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